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Tech Talk => Benchmarks => Topic started by: Arcmanov on June 25, 2007, 11:55:33 AM
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I present to you, for scrutiny, my current benchmark scores at 3.24 GHz. All benchies were run at 1280 x 1024 screen resolution.
OC was achieved by adjusting the DRAM:FSB ratio to 1:1 and applying a slight increase to DDR and CPU vcore voltages.
Chipset voltages were kept at default.
Video-card OC was achieved using Rivatuner, and verified by running looping tests of 3DMark 06.
'Arcman - Advanced' (aka A2)
Specs: Asus P5W-DH Deluxe motherboard
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 (OC'ed to 3.24 GHz)
2 x 1 GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 RAM (5-5-5-12)
BFG 8800 GTS OC video-card (OC'ed to 630 MHz core/1900 MHz memory)
3DMark 06 scores:
Overall = 10025
SM 2.0 = 4819
HDR/SM 3.0 = 4131
CPU = 2523
(http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/4351/screen23062007184641dl6.th.jpg) (http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen23062007184641dl6.jpg)
3Dmark 05: 15612
(http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4088/screen23062007191836td0.th.jpg) (http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen23062007191836td0.jpg)
3DMark 03: 28495
(http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/9931/screen23062007194718wc8.th.jpg) (http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen23062007194718wc8.jpg)
3DMark 2001se: 47894
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3397/screen23062007211819jw0.th.jpg) (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen23062007211819jw0.jpg)
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I do believe this is the first rig on GATT to break the 10K mark in 3DMark06. Good job!
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Good job Arc!! Congrats!!
mucho respect for Intel!
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NEW benchies b1tches!!! :happy0203:
abit IP35-Pro motherboard
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.4 GHz
BFG 8800 GTS OC 320 MB (stock mem/core)
2 x 1GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 RAM (5-5-5-18)
3DMark05 3DMark06
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5492/screen17102007094646pmte7.th.jpg) (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen17102007094646pmte7.jpg) (http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/518/screen17102007100614pmad2.th.jpg) (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen17102007100614pmad2.jpg)
Interestingly, with all parameters at stock, the 3DMark06 result is just a few marks above that of the significantly OC'ed E6600 and GPU.
Of course I'll experiment with some OC'ing with this beast. 13K? We shall see...
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Quite impressive scores on stock, man. You damn lucky I eh know where you live exactly.
But I musttttttt say, you real sticking with the OC. My lil e4300 and cheap Gigabyte board lixxxxxxinggggg that stock rig omg O_o :happy0203: :violent5:
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Well, this is the highest stable OC I can achieve with my current HSF. I think I'm going to need (dare I say it)
a Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme.
(http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1454/screen18102007112018pmqy5.th.jpg) (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen18102007112018pmqy5.jpg)
Anything higher and the PC will boot, and Windows will start, but anything CPU intensive causes the system to reboot.
Its not enough to retake the crown, but its a good indication of what the Core 2 Quad is capable of OC-wise. Of course it is NO match
for the E4000 series, as demonstrated by the good Captain.
To Seecarr11, I'm VERY perplexed that I still can't beat that score with my CPU at 3.3 GHz and yours at 2.8 GHz, AND my GPU is OC'ed all to hell (and yours is at 'stock').
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Well, this is the highest stable OC I can achieve with my current HSF. I think I'm going to need (dare I say it)
a Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme.
HMPH!!! *sulks*
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Good lord, check that CPU score. Indeed, im perplexed just as Arc is how his score isnt that much different from Seecarr's own, even at such a high OC. Leads me to think that the CPU is no longer the bottleneck, however the card has now taken its place in that position. I can't help but think that some higher mem/gpu clocks will push the score up.
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Hmmm, I was thinking the exact same thing. It seems that I've been pwnt by a superior graphics card. Or, could it be that Nvidia
cards are that much more efficient on an Nvidia chipset than on an Intel one? Unfortunately, I'm at my video card's max at 630/950.
Anyway, at 12027, I'm back at 2nd place. :happy0203:
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motherboard: Abit IP35-Pro
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.3 GHz
GPU: EVGA 8800 GT SC 512 MB
RAM 2 x 1GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR2-1066
(http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/7223/screen21112007101206pmab0.th.jpg) (http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen21112007101206pmab0.jpg)
:happy0203: :happy0203: :happy0203: :happy0203: :happy0203: :happy0203:
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Hmmmm OC on the CPU but none on the card. Very nice. Try ramping up the card, should be able to pass 14k.
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Indeed...
(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/8986/screen22112007013123amsq1.th.jpg) (http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen22112007013123amsq1.jpg)
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Arcman you buy new parts every 2 weeks?? Congrats on the score.
8800 GT not looking bad price wise and performance wise but I think i might wait for the 9800.
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:laughing7: Nah, my last major system upgrade is when I migrated to the Core 2 Duo platform in April 2007.
I usually upgrade every 10 months or so, but sometimes if I'm getting a deal on a part, I'll go for it.
As for the score, no congrats are necessary, thats what the GT was made for, so that result is expected.
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So what's real life performance is like? More specifically how is Crysis running?
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With the OC settings a very respectable 30-35 fps at 1440 x 900 is what I've observed,
and thats with all settings on high, with 2 x AA. With AA off, the frame rate jumps to
about 65 fps. I guess its safe to say that this card, while not exactly 'wining up' on Crysis,
certainly does quite a respectable job performance-wise.
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CURSES!!! CURSES!!! lol good stuff meng... Arc the #1 rig on GATT... for now... I think yuh spark something in Redlum eye XD
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Well done arcman!!! 13k+ on air. Very impressive. Soon we'll have to go sli or liquid cooling to beat the scores that fellas making here :ko:
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OK, check this out:
Board: Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ 'Black Edition' - OC'ed to 3 GHz
RAM: 2 x 1 GB Corsair XMS2 DDR-800 - 5-5-5-12
GPU: BFG 8800 GTS OC 320 MB - OC'ed to 630 Mhz core/1500 MHz shader/1900 MHz memory
This CPU is a real nice OC'er. Highly recommended if upgrading.
OC was achieved by simply upping the BIOS multiplier, using a base
frequency of 200 MHz.
(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4439/screen22122007123003pmqk9.th.jpg) (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen22122007123003pmqk9.jpg)
Of course the benefits of a CPU with an unlocked multiplier are immediately apparent.
There was no need to change the CPU voltage, which means that the corresponding
rise in heat is almost negated. This translates into even more OC'ing headroom
than traditional FSB changes. Even when instability becomes a factor a simple core
voltage change is needed to smooth things along. I could have gone further to
3.2, or even 3.4 GHz, but the HSF may not permit it.
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Sweet lan party rig. Mow much the CPU cost?
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That CPU has a BESSS cost... at 129USD on newegg last I checked... expect it to fall and OH btw, it has no HSF so buy something good so yuh doh run into arc problem.
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That CPU has a BESSS cost... at 129USD on newegg last I checked... expect it to fall and OH btw, it has no HSF so buy something good so yuh doh run into arc problem.
"buy something good" :cowboy:
What is that supposed to mean??? I have same HSF as Arc...
The lapping project was worth the trouble (and I do hope that Thermalright corrects this flaw soon)... Note carefully that only 2 or 3 other air coolers can match our HSF for sheer cooling power.
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Well, it STILL cost (about $10us) more than my E4300 did two months ago and doesnt overclock as well either. Step in the right direction, yes, but still not Intel worthy.
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O.o *blink blink* non intel chip???
.. for why??
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lol...not everyone has an Intel system Crixx. Fortunately I have both platforms, so I can demonstrate
the merits of particular AM2 CPUs. Not the fastest, but certainly a viable alternative. Coupled with
an 8800 series card we can plainly see that the performance is quite acceptable from a general
gameplay standpoint. Sure it won't win any benchmark contests (which is basically an e-penis game)
but for regular gaming, get dat s#!t.
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e peepeee all the way mengzz!!
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Of course, having 2 of the same video-cards meant that I had to try out SLI for myself.
The results are less than exciting. I came away very disappointed
Maybe it was something I did wrong, I don't think so but...
SLI disabled (single GPU) SLI enabled
(http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/3691/screen07012008114752pmrn4.th.jpg) (http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen07012008114752pmrn4.jpg) (http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/8513/screen08012008122519amxy0.th.jpg) (http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen08012008122519amxy0.jpg)
Playing a GPU-intensive game (which is ANY current game) caused the system to crash...hard...every single time.
I'm guessing that even a 600 Watt PSU is not enough for these cards.
These results certainly do not justify the extra costs involved, as I would have to get a 'bigger' PSU now to
support the power draw of both cards.
I'm sorry Nvidia, but SLI, in any form, can suck my shweaty ballz. It aint worth the trouble.
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Well they ARE both 65nm cards so I would think a 600W should be able to carry them both, well, as long as it has sufficient 12v rails and amperage on each etc. Could it be some configuration setting because back when I had my amd system, I used to get just a slightly lower score (http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3d06edteo0.jpg) on specs that were way weaker. Pay particular attention to the CPU score. A 3Ghz core should yield a higher result. Also, keep in mind the second pci-e x16 slot runs at only 8x electrically in SLI mode. But then again, the hdr/sm3.0 score looks to be on the money when comparing sli to non sli. I trust you got ll the usual patches etc installed, esp amd dual core patch. Short of that, i'd say that CPU is SERIOUSLY limiting factor in the SLI equation.
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Hmmm.....dual-core patch eh? I didn't remember that. I'll have another go once I determine if that patch is installed or not.
The setup will complete a benchmark run, but when a game makes serious demands on the cards is when it crashes.
The system doesn't even reboot...it just powers off abruptly whenever a GPU intensive scene is being rendered.
With 2 SATA drives, 5 120mm fans, cold cathode light, and optical drive, I think 600W may be slightly behind the
power curve for this system.
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Arc boy, sounds like you might have a 8800GT for sale soon :) if so I call 1st dibs on it!!! XD
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Actually, I have a 8800 GTS for sale (http://gatt.carigamers.com/index.php/topic,13534.msg178015.html#msg178015). Interested? :happy0203:
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Nope who would want that outdated thing XD
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I observed an interesting phenomenon...
It seems that CPU performance is actually better without the AMD processor driver.
Check this $#!t out:
Result without driver
(http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5538/screen15012008083703pmek0.th.jpg) (http://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen15012008083703pmek0.jpg)
Result with driver installed
(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/342/screen15012008090139pmnt1.th.jpg) (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen15012008090139pmnt1.jpg)
Very interesting indeed.
Still not sure why the results are so low, even with the CPU OC'ed to 3 GHz.
I'm guessing it might be the RAM timings. I'll have to do some experimentation with that.
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...and so, the LAN rig has evolved again. This time, making the jump to Intel.
MTB: Gigabyte P31-S3G (http://tw.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ClassValue=Motherboard&ProductID=2676&ProductName=GA-P31-S3G)
CHP: Intel 'Bearlake' P31 (yes you read that right)
CPU: Intel E2180 OC'ed to 2.3 Ghz
GPU: eVGA GeForce 8800 GT SC 512 MB @ stock
RAM: 2 x 1 GB DDR2-1066 Crucial Ballistix Tracer
(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2250/capture13022008125544amoo5.th.jpg) (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture13022008125544amoo5.jpg)
Turns out that the P31 chipset is almost as capable as its P35 bigger brother, in terms of OCing. This CPU hums along quite happily at
2.3 GHz with nary a rise in idle/load temp, and no voltage tweaks necessary. Its 800 MHz FSB speed means that you can take this CPU
pretty far with the right motherboard/RAM/HSF combo. Just imagine the OC results when this CPU is coupled with a P35 motherboard.
While this system is not as powerful overall as the AMD system that preceded it,
the goal here was 'future proofing' of sorts, as this chipset is also 45 nm capable.
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Nice! But you're pretty lax with the overclocking. You didnt OC to like 3ghz and run 3dmark?
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Who said I was done OC'ing this? I'm taking baby steps with this motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128077). Its tweaking options are not that robust.
While I'm pretty sure the CPU can do 3 GHz, I'm not so sure that the motherboard is up to it.
Wouldn't want to fry a brand new motherboard 'just cuz' now, would we? :mellow:
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I've been watching these low end E-series (allendale) question... are you so certain it'll hit 3GHz? that's a 1200MHz FSB based on a 2.5 multiplier which @ 2Ghz Stock with an 800MHz FSB translates to... I was looking at it, and I figured it'd be a better bet to get the 2.2 at least that way a 1066 FSB would carry you safely to the 3GHz mark. I know conroe can hit 1066 fairly easily, seeing as allendale is a scalled down conroe (as opposed to Penryn?? I could be wrong) are you certain to hit the 1200 or even 1333 mark? also what kind of heat are we talking about at this point and do you know how much that shortens the lifespan of the CPU by? (In case ppl didn't realise OCing ALWAYS shortens the life expectancy of a CPU BAR NONE).
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Well, Tom's Hardware already showed that the E2160 could attain speeds of 3.2 GHz, but that was using a P35 board.
The limitations of this P31 chipset may not allow that...even with this CPU's base speed of 2 GHz.
The temps are currently 32C idle and 40C load. Even at 2.3 GHz. The next step is to try for 2.7 GHz.
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Wouldn't want to fry a brand new motherboard 'just cuz' now, would we? :mellow:
Remember 800mhz is just the stock performance of the chip. It will be able to overclock and attain as much as double the default fsb. My CPU the e4300 is an 800mhz cpu and you done know how much that overclock.
Also, Arc was money so tight that that was the best board you could have gotten? For just $20US more you could have gotten one of these boards (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128059) which would have ensured a much higher overclock.
Just as side note, since the beginning of October i've been running in an overclocked state (default 1.8, oc 3.4 ghz) @ 1.515v from 1.325 all the while folding CONSTANTLY 24/7 (read 100% cpu usage except only when gaming/encoding with core temps around 75celcius. I know of no one else on this forum brave man enough to do this. I could also bet that it will remain operational up until I upgrade. Anyone want piece of that action?
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core temps around 75celcius. I know of no one else on this forum brave man enough to do this. I could also bet that it will remain operational up until I upgrade. Anyone want piece of that action?
There is a fine line between brave and STUPID my dear friend :lol: i've not seen a CPU with temps that high since the AthlonXP and PrescHOTt days... and the point then was it ran TOO DAMN HOT. You may be content with it as is but my suggestion to ANYONE ELSE wanting to follow suite is NOT TO. THat's just too much meng... I give your CPU 2 years TOPS before dielectric breakdown.
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Ay, I got that board from SAx, because it was here, and I couldn't wait. Also, I was curious about the P31 chipset.
Remember, this PC won't be on all the time, so the board is quite adequate. As for reckless OC'ing...nah. Baby steps.
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Well lookee here.
(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1167/capture13022008090956pmie1.th.jpg) (http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture13022008090956pmie1.jpg)
Yes...thats THREE GHz. Want to try shutting up now? :mellow:
Interestingly, the CPU achieved this speed with only a small increase in CPU voltage.
Thanks to the outstanding performance of the Thermalright Ultima-90 HSF, there was
absolutely no change in CPU idle/load temps.
Notice, also, that at 3 GHz it actually bests the performance of the more expensive AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000 Black Edition.
Truly a great CPU indeed.
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core temps around 75celcius. I know of no one else on this forum brave man enough to do this. I could also bet that it will remain operational up until I upgrade. Anyone want piece of that action?
There is a fine line between brave and STUPID my dear friend :lol: i've not seen a CPU with temps that high since the AthlonXP and PrescHOTt days... and the point then was it ran TOO DAMN HOT. You may be content with it as is but my suggestion to ANYONE ELSE wanting to follow suite is NOT TO. THat's just too much meng... I give your CPU 2 years TOPS before dielectric breakdown.
Do you seriously think that i'm gonna keep a CPU for as much as 2 years? Besides, according to the Core 2 Quad and Duo Temperature Guide (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/221745-11-core-quad-temperature-guide), the L2 stepping of the c2d's can withstand Tjunction (core temp) temperatures of up to 100celcius and a Tcase (cpu temp) of up to 85celcius. So a core temp of 75 and cpu temp of 60 isnt exactly climing everest bare handed with only a draws on.
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Customary upgrade benchies iymc
Can you spot the upgrade? (Well, other than Vista).
(http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/4584/capture04062008232425if5.th.jpg) (http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture04062008232425if5.jpg)
Of course, the fact that its Vista would account for the lower score than previous, but this current score
is not too shabby.
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Arc what you selling so to keep upgrading... like you is a farmer oh wha? O_o either that or you have no internal organs left to sell...
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:lol: Its called 'overtime'.
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wtb that kinda overtime plixx
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wtb that kinda overtime plixx
I second that motion
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Decided to give 3DMark Vantage a whirl. If anyone has a full activation key, send me a PM.
More details here. (http://service.futuremark.com/resultAnalyzer.action?resultId=170307&resultType=19)
(http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7894/capture14062008164356dt6.jpg)
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oh come on arc you should know better than to ask for those things publicly.
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Nothing wrong with asking. I did say 'send a PM'.
Whatever...
Proper Vantage benchies.
'Performance' preset
(http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6465/capture14062008180140hl1.th.jpg) (http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture14062008180140hl1.jpg)
'High' preset
(http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/844/capture14062008183822ju1.th.jpg) (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture14062008183822ju1.jpg)
I'm thinking we should establish a 3DMark Vantage thread to see how our rigs stack up in Vista (with DX10 compatible GPUs of course).
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:happy0203:
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6140/capture07072008031935pmwl3.jpg)
*rubs hands in anticipation*
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You sannavabeech. Arc beat me to it yes. But I know yuh is a man doh stick too.
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*sighs* If I had the money for it, I could have gotten one of these babies in a week's time....but I'll wait a generation or two, my 8800GT still performing more than my general needs....
I still wonder how this gonna impact those benchies though... :D
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this lucky motha cluka...lol.. will like to see how this card improves over your previous benchmark scores.
as SPK said, i've settled on the 8800gt, works good enough.
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Just placed order for hd4870 before Amazon run out/they raise the price.
*Captain also rubs hands in anticipation.*
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great, i got the tracking no. now jus to call up 'my guy' in UPS and intercept THAT package :lol:
...enjoy meh boy!!
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ah next lucky motha clucka... when will the madness enddd lol
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...and if I'm not mistaken, I think the Visiontek card bundle includes a free copy of Mass Effect.
If that is so, then Visiontek get MADD COOL POINTS SONN!!! :)
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Yea well I go tell you if it does indeed come with mass effect, since Amazon like me better and all XD
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YOU BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!
Items Ordered Price
1 of: VisionTek Radeon HD4850 512MB GDDR3 PCI Express Graphics Card [Electronics]
Sold by: Amazon.com, LLC
$199.99
Amazon Prime: Two-Day Shipping is free
and I ordered it last week :-(
but still it will be funny to see my 2+ year old machinekick some a$$
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Just to let certain n!gg@s know where the fight really takin place nah... :lol:
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1920/capture10072008223805ku2.th.jpg) (http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture10072008223805ku2.jpg)
*patiently 'dresses back' *
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*Captain ducks to avoid flying Arcman attack and watches as Rage gets decapitated*
Phew...where did that come from?
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No fear, I have dry ice, I shall oc where no Trini has gone before and I shall melt silicon until my challengers have all been destroyed.
ok I'm hoping for a 12k at least
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all this war I see.... tsk tsk..
When My baby (code name "BERTHA II") re-surface from the hell of budget motherboards, the war shall end...
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all this war I see.... tsk tsk..
When My baby (code name "BERTHA II") re-surface from the hell of budget motherboards, the war shall end...
You've got a lot of big talk for someone running onboard video...why dont you get back to your pinball3d and leave the dangerous stuff to the big boys hhuh? Now you wanna make sure you overclock that onboard gpu so that you'll keep your frame rate above 24fps or else you're gonna get a lot of stuttering but you already know all about that dont you? mmmkthnxbye.
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Lol @ 'pinball3d'. You guys are just too much.
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You've got a lot of big talk for someone running onboard video...why dont you get back to your pinball3d and leave the dangerous stuff to the big boys hhuh? Now you wanna make sure you overclock that onboard gpu so that you'll keep your frame rate above 24fps or else you're gonna get a lot of stuttering but you already know all about that dont you? mmmkthnxbye.
pinball3d, eh?
LMAO.. I been running a GeForce 8800GT for the last week or so, good sir.
I now about to get back to rebuilding my proper PC, so make jokes all you want.
Beauty is a thing that takes time to perfect, I just waiting on certain price drops to occur, and THEN...
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i so far behind allyuh i forget what FPS is :(
lol :P
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*Captain ducks to avoid flying Arcman attack and watches as Rage gets decapitated*
Phew...where did that come from?
waaay. u have REAL talk fuh somebody who fallin' off the rankings yuh kno. :happy0203:
*awaits incoming airstrike*
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*Captain ducks to avoid flying Arcman attack and watches as Rage gets decapitated*
Phew...where did that come from?
waaay. u have REAL talk fuh somebody who fallin' off the rankings yuh kno. :happy0203:
*awaits incoming airstrike*
HAHAHAHAHA I like that.
Arc, like them men eh get the "zeppy" yet boy.
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Unfortunately, due to Ezone stickage, I cannot smite the ranking
this weekend, but fear not. Use this time to reflect....:happy0203:
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lmao.. this is like watchin a soap opera yes...
The Benches of our Lives
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To quote Kool Moe Dee: 'How Ya Like Me Now...' :happy0203:
(http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/1074/capture14072008031846pmqp3.jpg)
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sweet!!!
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DOh mean to sound ahow... but arc you have a PSU to power that nuclear reactor you got there? that darn 8 pin molex? or does it come with an 4-pin molex adaptor?
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Actually, its two six pin connectors on the board there. Visiontek was nice enough to supply two molex<-->PCIE six pin adapters, but my
OCZ GameXstream 700W (http://techgage.com/article/ocz_gamexstream_700w/) also has two 6-pin PCIE leads, and should be more than capable, so ah safe like Maharaj Jewellers...:laughing7:
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So it's not a 8pin and a 6pin on the card? And I have the same PSU :p or was it the 750... ah whatever.
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hmm like we all have the same psu?!?! nah wait i have the 850watts.. ah whatever XD
*phil goes to buy his popcorn to watch the benchmarking madness later on*
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Please tell me that you got Mass Effect with your package.
*Mentally strangles E-zone for not clearing my $hit yet*
Arc, doh stick on we with the benchies. Ah waiting.....
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Hmm wonder if that thing sounds like a turbine starting up lol. *curses to my crappy psu*....
Let's see what the US(Arcman) has for the Soviet Union(Prowl) lol and Cap (UK) will soon join the fight.....
It has begun......again :shakehead:
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Go back and look at my 8800 GT score again...but anyway...
*launches tactical strike to reclaim/pwn bases*
(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8730/capture14072008204153hn5.th.jpg) (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture14072008204153hn5.jpg) (http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8981/capture14072008210020ha1.th.jpg) (http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture14072008210020ha1.jpg) (http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7840/capture14072008211545op9.th.jpg) (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture14072008211545op9.jpg)
Oh yes...and that's at the card's stock settings, in Vista no less. Don't worry, XP benchmarks will follow soon.
Notice the massive amounts of EPIC WINNAGE over the max OC of the Q9300/8800 GT combo (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,11652.msg193217.html#msg193217).
If you didn't know before...now you know. The HD4870 IS AN ABSOLUTE BEAST!!! :awesome:
...and sorry, no Mass Effect (steups)
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*puts on doctor's glasses*
doing some GATT benchmark research, i realise your old 8800gt scores, go back to your q6600 days, your cpu score was 5000+ with your q9300 it's only bout 4000+ (acknowledged that it's only at 3ghz). I presume, that since at stock the large quantities of epic win that this card already provides, an OC of that bitch of a cpu and the Mariah Carey of a card, will put you somewhere in the reach of let's say.. 19000+ 3dmarks? Nothing is impossible just mathematically improbable..
lolz ok enough crap... that is a mega uber nasty card son!!.. 7000+ on d hdr score stock?!?!!?... EPIC WIN INDEED
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THIS IS VISTAAA!!!...ahem. I mean, he's running Vista now whereas back then he was on XP.
(SP1 for Vista I hope Arc)
Personally, I plan on getting a q6600 because of its epic bang fo buck.
Nex month 4 dat.
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even if it's vista, the difference still lies in the oc, i mean he didn't push the cpu that far and look at the score.. god knows what will happen if he did, hence the reason why i said 19000+
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cpu speed scales well with 3dmark06, but not THAT well. 1900+ points is impossible with a single hd4870...even if the cpu was at 4ghz.
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the q6600 is a faster chip vs the 9300 overall, but it runs hotter and uses more power
as far as bang for buck the 6600 is king
BTW the 4870 should hit 16-17k marks with some tlc
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Hmmm...almost.
(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6857/capture15072008002618ef5.th.jpg) (http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture15072008002618ef5.jpg)
I never tested the Q6600 in Vista so I dunno for sure what its performance might be.
XP benchies tomorrow.
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In Japanese game show host voice *Arcman is winaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!*
Hands everyone else some :ky: for their bottoms.... :ko:
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Recently I was conversing with the upgradeaholic in me (lets call him 'Holic') and Holic says: '...yo Arc, since the HD4870 is only 290 US,
why not get another one?' To which I said '...but I will need a bigger PSU too', and Holic replied '...but you can afford that too'.
After some careful consideration, I finally relented and decided invest in another Visiontek HD4870 (http://www.amazon.com/VisionTek-Radeon-HD4870-512MB-Express/dp/B001BGHCZI/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1217205622&sr=8-1) and a Cooler Master Real Power Pro 850W (http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=deskbar&q=Cooler+Master+Real+Power+Pro+850W).
Lets just say Holic was very persuasive.
Anyway, this thread serves to explore the current viability of a multi-GPU setup using a Crossfire configuration.
My current motherboard, the Abit IP35-Pro (http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3142) has two PCI-E 16x slots. However these slots operate electrically at 16x/4x in dual-card mode.
I am fully aware that this is not the ideal setup for Crossfire as this board even isn't officially Crossfire certified, but I have already compensated for that (http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=2267&l1=3&l2=11&l3=709&l4=0) (Holic again :lol:).
Yes...its officially super upgrade time again. :happy0203:
Since that 'compensation' may not arrive for a while, I shall use my current motherboard to do some preliminary benchies.
Barring any unforseen circumstances (or Ezone stickage) I shall recieve these items tomorrow. If I can tear myself away from MGS4 long enough,
I will put these cards through their paces.
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yuh know
if parts was rum
you would have no liver...
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I think he has a little money tree growing in his room or he's holding a lepricaun hostage and raiding his pot of gold cause I don't know how d @$$ you gone and get another card and PSU to boot so fast :ko:
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lawd, the man REAL clocking in that overtime oui!
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One of the merits of working in a financial institution's IT division is the substantial amount of OT
than can accumulate in a given month. Also, I don't drink, smoke or 'party' on a regular basis.
So this is my hobby. I am a computer hardware enthusiast/gamer, and this is my 'drug'. :)
...and yes, I'd probably need a new liver by now. :laughing7:
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dais wa i talking bout arc... upgrade in iymc.. but did you ever consider selling the 4870 and getting the 4870x2 ? but hey.. prices should be about the same since the 4870's get a lil cheaper..
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i just want reviews on the Asus p5q..
i have a p5b-deluxe
would like to go back asus on my next upgrade
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Merchant stickage with that mobo has ensured that I won't get it till the end of next week, or the beginning of the following week. :(
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Yea...so ammm...who giving me Arcman address?
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lol...I can if you pay me enough :D
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Merchant stickage with that mobo has ensured that I won't get it till the end of next week, or the beginning of the following week. :(
Merchant stickage?? WTH!! do elaborate..
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Well, the merchant (Computer Brain) is taking their cool time to ship it out, so next week for that.
Anyway...on to the benchies:
3DMark06 3DMark Vantage - Performance 3DMark Vantage - High
(http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4958/capture29072008003909pg7.th.jpg) (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture29072008003909pg7.jpg) (http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8312/capture28072008222219qp8.th.jpg) (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture28072008222219qp8.jpg) (http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8855/capture28072008223721tm6.th.jpg) (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture28072008223721tm6.jpg)
Based on my research, the results are kind of what I expected for these apps. It seems that 3DMark06 does not like
this configuration in Vista so much. When I OC'ed the cards to 785MHz core/1100MHz memory, the score actually
went down. What is significant however is that the result is still better than one OC'ed HD4870 (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,11652.msg193544.html#msg193544) (which is to be expected).
The Vantage scores tell a completely different tale though. Performance seems to scale very well with Crossfire compared
to these scores (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,11652.msg193525.html#msg193525). However the results are still significantly constrained by the 16x/4x configuration. In addition to the 8x/8x
setup on the Asus mobo, the other advantage is that the PCI-E slots are gen 2.0, which are equal to 16x gen 1.1.
I'm predicting a significant improvement with that Asus P5Q-E.
Gaming benchmarks to follow.
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It has just occurred to me...I know where you work so i'll follow you home heh heh heh.
I'm particularly interested to see what kind of gains you see in Crysis. But personally, if i'm to go with a multi gpu setup, it would be in the form of the 4870x2.
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Nice upgrade arc, those 4870s kick ass, im supprised how well my 8800GTX SLI holds up in comparison.
The 4870X2 is the shiz doh. a single X2 performacne on par/better than CF 4870. So im patiently waiting on the final release.
But with beta drivers and a preview card, the X2 kicks major cahoonas. so the final release can only be better.
so i think CF 4870X2 mite be the next upgrade for me, but then ill have to get a 1KW PSU errrr. PC Power 1.2KW in mind.
but den id have to change my board as well, grumble.
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Benchmark at max CPU OC:
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9152/capture30072008210013gp2.th.jpg) (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture30072008210013gp2.jpg)
Just to let certain other n1gga$ know nah...
Whats that? Believe in the what.....? :laughing7:
The king is dead, long live the king.
Indeed. :happy0203:
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Impressive score there Arc. Imagine what will happen when you remove the bandwidth bottleneck!
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Ent, and what about the OC? Remember, those biatches are still at stock there.
I'm still figuring out how to OC em both effectively.
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Interesting that my 2 year old GTXs is only being beat by 300 points. This asures me even more thant upgrading to CF 4870s make no sense for me. CF X2 :) just 1 more month.
Hey arcman, is that your idle temparature in your systray? if so, the next bar-b-q is at your house, :) , if i OC my cpu to those temps, we'll have a new king but nobody going to be playing games with that kinda heat coming out they rig. ill think about if i wana go home and OC my cpu some more, but im leaning towards X2 ownage in a month or 2 :)
Nice upgrade from what u previously had though, we'll see some more compition pretty soon, cuase alot of guys are upgrading, and the price of these cheap ass performaning cards, the compition mite boil down to who can achieve better CPU/GPU overclocks, which wil basicaly boil down to, who can volt mod / cool there sh&t properlly
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Unfortunately, Everest was playing up when I took that screenshot. I noticed that idle temp and was like 'WTF!!!'
One reboot and 1 hour of Prime 95 later, I realised that the idle temp at 3.3 GHz is approx 43C and the load
temp is 54C.
...and yes, you are quite correct when you say 'CF4870 make no sense for me', as the performance difference
between 2 x 8800 GTX in SLI and 2 x HD4870 in CF is bound to be a small one, but consider the fact that the above score
was achieved with a 16x/4x 'limitation' and also, consider that the cards' frequencies remained at stock.
Also consider that the CPU is chugging along quite nicely at 3.3 GHz. After you consider the above facts,
compare my rig in its current form to its former position and reconsider your statements. :)
I think 2 x HD4870 is quite a worthy upgrade from a single 8800 GT, especially because they are 'cheap-ass'.
I certainly cannot afford 2 x HD4870X2 AND the 1 or 1.2KW PSU needed to power those beasts, so I actually
welcome the challenge of seeing what mammoth performance increases can be gained by employing such a setup.
'Bring it on' I say.
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With proper cooling of the CF 4870s, proper OCing, id recond your score will increase about 500 points, a little over 1000 with liquid and volt mods. Wont expect too much doh. and i dont think that 16/4 limitation will affect the benches much either. 100 points give or take.
and keep in mind, as i had previously posted, i planned on going 3way sli, so a 1kw psu was always in the works, and the corsair 1kw is pretty afordable. so i was going to get a 1kw + 3rd 8800gtx anyway. but i decided to hold off for 3 gtx280s instead, but no i looks like its going to be 2 X2s.
Gotta sell my current 2 8800gtx, then foot the rest for QuadOwnage :)
and yea ill bring it on, dont worry. im patiently awaitin the release, price drop, and driver improvements of the X2 before i jump ship.
i realy dont want to go ddr3 since its expensive as hell, and i already runing 8gigs, so ill see what kind of board upgrade ill do when the X2 is finaly out.
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Now, if I had a lil extra cash, the Asus P5E Deluxe (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131317) would be my mobo of choice, but I got the P5Q for about
185 US, so that will have to suffice.
EDIT!!! Mih P5Q-E reach. GG Ezone :mellow:
Super Upgrade Weekend starts tonite.
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I have one word FCUK!
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Right, so here we have the Asus P5Q-E. This mobo is wonderful. Its even easier to OC
than the Abit IP35-Pro. The BIOS is rather extensive, some stuff there I shall leave
well enough alone until I find out what all the settings do.
Board layout is excellent. I was still able to use my two PCI-USB cards in addition to the CrossFire setup.
The SATA port layout is very well done, and not blocked by any of the graphics cards. All the relevant connectors
are along the board edges, so I was able to route all cables around.
Enough about that, you wouldn't be reading this unless you wanted to know about how it performs, right?
On to the results:
3DMark06
(http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/5526/capture31072008230048hb7.th.jpg) (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture31072008230048hb7.jpg)
3DMark Vantage - Performance
(http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3663/capture31072008232301vw3.th.jpg) (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture31072008232301vw3.jpg)
3DMark Vantage - High
(http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/5357/capture31072008233711ll9.th.jpg) (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture31072008233711ll9.jpg)
What is interesting to note from these results is that it seems that 3DMark06 was unaffected by the 16x/4x configuration, because
the resulting score here is less than 100 points higher than previous, at the same CPU speed. It is safe to assume that 3DMark06
does not provide sufficient 'throughput' to be bottlenecked by a PCI-E 1.1 setup.
Take a look at the Vantage numbers however. I predicted a significant jump with the 8x/8x PCI-E 2.0 config, and the numbers there
speak for themselves. The GPU score has jumped more than 2000 points alone. WOW!!! So it seems that a significant bottleneck
has been removed here, and the cards can now fling that PCI-E data with gay abandon. :lol: Also, I should point out that the horribly
skewed graphics I noticed during the Jane Nash benchmark with the Abit mobo are gone now with this Asus mobo. Another side effect
of the bottlenecking? Perhaps. Its certainly in line with what I've seen on another forum.
I haven't run any actual game benchmarks yet, but of course I had to take a run through Crysis. The horrible stuttering during gameplay
I got with the Abit mobo has now disappeared. Silky smooth gameplay abounds :happy0203:, although I get the feeling that Nvidia (the bastards)
intentionally did not want Crytek to optimise the game for ATI cards and multi-GPU setups. After all thats 'the way its meant to be played' right?
I have all day, so I shall do some proper gaming benchies today...
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good to know that Asus still has it... overclocking for me was a breeze with my p5b...
looks like my next upgrade is goin to be another asus yay!!...
keep the reviews coming... i want to know if there are any little bugs with the board (more interested with the board than anything else)
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[c] The Joker: ...'and here...we...go'.
Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Test was done using FRAPS v2.8.2. Resloution was set to 1680 x 1050.
Anti-aliasing was set to 4x, and Anistrophic Filtering set to max (16x I think)
All other settings set to max.
(http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/6184/capture01082008104834cg3.th.jpg) (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture01082008104834cg3.jpg)
Frames: 153629
Time: 1291328ms
Min: 19
Max: 390
Avg: 118.970
Needless to say, this game positively screams on CrossFire. It is safe to say that this game
will be CPU-limited way before it becomes GPU-limited here.
Crysis
For some strange reason, I cannot get FRAPS to run with Crysis in DX10 mode, so I relied on the
built in GPU benchmark (GPU.bat) found in the game installation's 'Bin32' folder. Resolution set to 1680 x 1050.
Anti-aliasing was set to 'Off' and all settings set to 'High'.
(http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/9607/capture01082008101051ms8.jpg)
Hmmm...a wonderful 35 fps average. Just goes to show how much work still needs to be done on this engine,
or probably drivers. Maybe we will see some performance improvement with future driver releases. Won't hold
my breath waiting though.
Racedriver GRID
My oh my, this game is a beauty. Codemasters have outdone themselves on this one.
Test was done with FRAPS. Results were recorded with a 1 lap race.
Resolution was set to 1680 x 1050. AA set to 8x. AF set to 16x.
All other settings set to max values, 'High' or 'Ultra' where applicable.
(http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2815/grid2008080112055710oy2.th.jpg) (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=grid2008080112055710oy2.jpg) (http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/1812/grid2008080112060089lq0.th.jpg) (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=grid2008080112060089lq0.jpg) (http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/7743/grid2008080112060546kw1.th.jpg) (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=grid2008080112060546kw1.jpg) (http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2/grid2008080112061840bo1.th.jpg) (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=grid2008080112061840bo1.jpg) (http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/1470/grid2008080112064552ab0.th.jpg) (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=grid2008080112064552ab0.jpg) (http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/449/grid2008080112081268ro2.th.jpg) (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=grid2008080112081268ro2.jpg)
Frames: 14683
Time: 141996ms
Min: 48
Max: 133
Avg: 103
Another game that Crossfire seemingly makes mincemeat out of. Its unfortunate that I didn't do these kinds
of tests on my former rig (with the 8800 GT) but I think this shows adequately what CrossFire can do when a
game engine is optimised correctly. No GPU limitation here.
Half-Life 2: Episode 2
The Source engine at its best. Nuff said.
Test was done using FRAPS. Results were recorded during a run-through of the 1st level.
Resolution set at 1680 x 1050. AA set to 8x. AF set to 16x.
All other settings set to their maximum value.
Don't know what went wrong here, only managed to garner a single screenshot.
(http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/3567/capture01082008130837af2.th.jpg) (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture01082008130837af2.jpg)
Frames: 88916
Time: 10269027ms
Min: 0 (due to a save point)
Max: 173
Avg: 87
i'll have to re-run this one and record the results without that save point, as the average has been
skewed by the non-rendering of any frames during the save itself. I can safely say though, there
was absolutely no drop in performance throughout this test.
This is only a small sampling of games, but apart from Crysis, this is a very good indication of the kind
of performance possible with a proper CrossFire setup. These tests were not really meant to compare
single-card vs dual card performance, but as a raw max settings test at a 22-inch monitor's native resolution.
The ATI Radeon HD4870 makes a compelling case for multi-GPU setups, and I recommend them for CrossFire
on a 'budget' as a proper CrossFire certified mobo and PSU (800W or more) are also required to run it properly.
The Asus P5Q-E has made installing and running these cards an absolute dream. :sunny:
Arcman approved!!!
(http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/4981/capture01082008140021jj0.jpg)
"Sir, we are now in orbit above EPIC WIN" :happy0203:
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hummm, I have 4 16x slots, wanna lend me those cards for a weekend :XD
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great reviews arc.. those 4870's are the hottest things out right now.. can't wait to see ah final 4870x2 in action.. who knows.. i might get to lick one soon..lolol
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Pics of the rig in its present form. I think SPK will appreciate what I've done here... :happy0203:
(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3798/dsc00222vh5.th.jpg) (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00222vh5.jpg) (http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9286/dsc00223js5.th.jpg) (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00223js5.jpg)
Cold Cathode Flourescent Lighting = hawtness (if you mount them right).
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Wow. Pure brilliance. Well done man. If only I had that kind of patience.
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A lil update to the score dey. :happy0203:
(http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/2509/capture19082008215509ge3.th.jpg) (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture19082008215509ge3.jpg)
CPU at 3.3 GHz
GPUs at 790 MHz core/1100 MHz memory.
Yep, thats 18K+. if I can only figure out how to OC these bastards and keep the heat down,
I might well pass 20K.
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Very nice, Arc. But you should be running Vista x64.
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Unfortunately, I have some devices that do not play nice with a 64-bit OS.
The most significant of those: my Turtle Beach AK-R8 (http://techgage.com/article/turtle_beach_ear_force_ak-r8_headphones/) 5.1 channel headset. I ain't giving that functionality up
for nothing!!!
64-bit be damned. (For now at least)
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http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,14397.80.html
Arcman - 'Bring it on' I say
Its Been Brougth :)
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...and so, the rig has evolved again, but I guess you can call this a 'de-evolution' as I've officially removed one
of my 4870s. Yes, really.
...and no, I'm NOT selling it (at least not yet). :laughing7:
Its become too much of a bear to keep stable. The main issue I've been battling with since installation is the heat.
A 4870 Crossfire setup puts out so much heat, that I fear my current case (Thermaltake Armor Jr) may not be adequate.
To even get the cards to run at a respectable idle temp, I had to set the fan-speed so high, the whole thing sounded
like an F-15 on take-off. Of course all that heat ejected into the atmosphere of my small room made it unbearable at times.
As a result, that extra 4870 has been officially put in 'storage' until I can upgrade to a substantially more uber case,
like the Cooler Master Cosmos 1000 (http://techreport.com/articles.x/13413), and proper liquid cooling for GPUs and CPU. By then, I most likely will upgrade
to Core i7 anyway, but we shall see.
Now that the second 4870 is out, overall system temps are now quite tolerable. At 50% fan-speed, the 4870 idles
very comfortably at 53C and loads at 75C (which is atually LESS than the default idle temp).
Now my LAN rig can get some HD4870 loving.
EDIT: Scratch that...HD4870X2 immc. Talk done. :happy0203:
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WOW those are some serious temps, my X2 idles at 35 and loads at 40 :)
im selling my liquid cooling rig, some of my old components some of my current components.
and i can also organise the 4870 waterblocks for you if you wish.
Let me know if you're interested.
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'Assume standard orbit above ULTRA UBER MEGA HYPER EPIC WIN'
Good GOD its big...and HEAVY!!!
(http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9991/dsc00237er3.jpg)
:sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny:
I guess it goes without saying what I'll be doing when I get home. :happy0203:
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Aye, change your specs on your profile...you still showing 8800GT....
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Thats because I'm using the 8800 GT while waiting on this monster.
I shall change it as soon as the X2 is in...
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hmm well congrats meng...... now do bench that mofo when u reach home.. temps still gonna be a b1tch though..
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OH LAWDDD i know how central pimp feel when he see that vagrant now...look at the size ah that thing!
that is the Mandingo of cards!
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Look at the size of that motha! Benchmarks ftw!
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now
i seem to recall much hoopla and noise an bashing about the size of nvidia cards not too long ago
but yet... its not so much noise as it is praise now for ati.. hmm
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now
i seem to recall much hoopla and noise an bashing about the size of nvidia cards not too long ago
but yet... its not so much noise as it is praise now for ati.. hmm
agreed... sighs... its the same size as a 280GTX neway...
...
p.s. my scores still not on the list... ah well
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So the X2 is in...
Stock core/mem - 750/900
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1763/capture03102008225825aw3.th.jpg) (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture03102008225825aw3.jpg)(http://img84.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
Slight OC to 760/920
(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/8305/capture04102008000441ei3.th.jpg) (http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture04102008000441ei3.jpg)(http://img392.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
All I can say is god-DAMN!!!
Can't take back the top spot, but with this kind of performance, I don't really care.
I guess it goes without saying that this one card is the theoretical equal of two HD4870s.
Its a little more fussy to OC, so I'll be running this one at stock, until I decide to invest in some
liquid cooling of course.
...and OMG at Crysis Warhead performance. 40 fps easy on 'Enthusiast' settings
The game looks/runs absolutely SPLENDID now...
(http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/2473/screenshot0008me8.th.jpg) (http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot0008me8.jpg)(http://img386.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php) (http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/9123/screenshot0037ba6.th.jpg) (http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot0037ba6.jpg)(http://img386.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php) (http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/903/screenshot0015ht9.th.jpg) (http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot0015ht9.jpg)(http://img503.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php) (http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/8607/screenshot0031dx2.th.jpg) (http://img373.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot0031dx2.jpg)(http://img373.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php) (http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/3356/screenshot0045iu5.th.jpg) (http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot0045iu5.jpg)(http://img503.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
'Captain, we have arrived at ULTRA SUPER MEGA HYPER EPIC WINNNNN!!!!' :happy0203:
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hmm not much of a change from your old set up aint it... lol.. and as i said.. i knew the temps will still be a b1tch....
lmao @ ultra super mega hyper epic win.. wtf..lol
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I admit, its not much of a change, but consider the fact that this is one card doing the 'work' of two.
and more or less equalling their performance. Comapring this to a single 4870 (http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture15072008002618ef5.jpg), well, the winnage there
speaks for itself.
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umm the one card is two cards(two gpus on one board).. it must equal the performance and trounce ah single 4870... that's why it's called a 4870X2.. :icon_scratch:
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I am seriously reconsidering the wisdom in getting that $550 card. Yes the benchmark numbers are great, but the real world performance increase is not quite compelling enough for me. I think I might reconsider selling off my 4870 for the hour.
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wise words capt. cause in order to see the performance u expect u need liquid cooling which is going to have you pay a bit more
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Somehow, it feel like if I gettin diss.
Didn't you all read the part where I said
"40 fps" and "Enthusiast" ?
What do you mean 'real world'? How much more
real world than that do you want?
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hoss de man mean he hadda see it to beleive it lol
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The card IS an excellent performer, just @ 550us, I thinking more than twice.
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umm the one card is two cards(two gpus on one board).. it must equal the performance and trounce ah single 4870... that's why it's called a 4870X2.. :icon_scratch:
I know this, but I was just making a direct comparison, raw numbers-wise.
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but ent ur previous setup scored more than this... hmm
p.s. my scores still havent been updated :}
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well yea $$ is another factor..... well i happy with this 8800 GT of joy lol
for the first time in my life is see how it should look in High Quality Video :dropjaw:
next upgrade is the PSU of Stability
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iam guessing the point of these silly cards is for "enthusiats" who have ++++ infinite money
to put two or more of those things in that umm... Xrossfire its called??hmm yeah probably that stuff
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:laughing7: LOL @ 'coconut bake'.
I will certainly try out the 8.10 driver when I get home. 8.9 caused games (and Windows) to crash for some inexplicable reason,
so I had to go back to 8.8 with the 4870s. Lemme see if they improve anything with this new driver.
I'll get back to you on that.
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read em and weep....
http://www.carigamers.com/cms/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=38&topic=11064.80
i guess its been brought * 2 :awesome:
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read em and weep....
http://www.carigamers.com/cms/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=38&topic=11064.80
i guess its been brought * 2 :awesome:
JAH!, you give them cards some of that China milk to drink ah wah? :awesome:
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O_o
*Eyes burning*
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i stil hae 2 8800GTs left btw, going to bring down a couple more 4870s. to bad ati sticking on d 4850x2, dies d rel sh**
and yea RUM and Quake3 used to always work }-} RUM and GOW FTW
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phil done add he 4870s to he shoping cart, rofl
^^ buh a a.. who say i gettin ah 4870.. buh wtmc.. lolz :laughing7:
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:laughing7: LOL @ 'coconut bake'.
I will certainly try out the 8.10 driver when I get home. 8.9 caused games (and Windows) to crash for some inexplicable reason,
so I had to go back to 8.8 with the 4870s. Lemme see if they improve anything with this new driver.
I'll get back to you on that.
that 8.10 driveris bull!, i try it, did not do anythign much when time to roll back, any driver i try sayign ati card not found after the install and windows reboot, something that 8.10 did, i had to do a frigging system restore yes, good thign ah had one
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i hope ati ent start d nvidia driver bull, with 8.8 i was alt/tabing gears of war in 1 second, and i put 8.9 and it start operating rel flaky, wasnt going as smoth, and i din realise it was d 8.9 until arcman mention 8.9 crashing games, went back to XG 8.8, and eveyrhign works beuatifuly again. Good call arc. i woudla be getin bul and din realise what causing it.
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There's nothing I like more than the smell of fresh hardware in the morning. And you guys are up to the neck in it. But I must protest. What do your systems do while not in use, aka, while not gaming? Guys, why not put your power horses to good use and join folding at home (http://folding.stanford.edu/). Join GATT's folding@home team and be part of the solution to diseases like Alzheimer's. Visit our very own f@h thread (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,11124.0.html) today!
/salespitch
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OK, I've had enough, so all off-topic bullshit has been removed.....by me.
Phoenix, doh worry, I will fix you up personally (as soon as power comes back by me and DSL is restored. :))
We have to talk some more about that piece a Crossfire black magicks that you work there.
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arcman, you have 4 major problems why u din get d same results as phoenix.
1. You CPU Overlcok. ppl dont realise how much a slight OC on yuh cpu does affect yuh 3dmark score.
2. Could be power supply related. When dem gpus ent get enough juice is terapy.
3. You OC on d GPU. If you try to push d card to far, wihtout raisin d voltage of d card. you wil actualy get worse performance. phoenix did just that and get worse performance. so i tel him d clocks not to cross to maintain good results. When u raise d clocks to high wihtout raisin d voltage is terapy again.
4. Cooling. So you need to take a look at yuh case, and wiremanagement, to acheive proper airflow.
It have 2 common ways to raise yuh voltage. dies either by a hardware voltmod. or by bios moding.
Both of which dangerous. wil void your waranty. and you coudl easily brick your card. so do it at your own risk. and if u volt mod. be very sure, u have aftermarket cooling. to back it up.
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ok arc lets look @ the whole situation...
for 1 ur crossfire (stock) scores wasnt as expected... and also the x2 (stock) scores are not as expected... so its not the card... and its the heat because @ stock heat shouldnt be too much of a problem...
so we hadda look @ your other components...
CPU: yes i think its a MAJOR issue... when i was runnin the single 4870 my cpu went from 3.4 to 3.6 and my scores went up by 500 points (thas 200mhz for 500 points) so i think ur cpu is one bottleneck as far as 3dmark goes
Mobo: Cant be because we have the mobo
Crossfire bridge: i used d 2 (i dunno if u did)
Ram: I consider my ram better but i dont think it should affect performance that much
PSU: as matthew say the power supply can have a significant impact... not just the wattage but the quality of power, not sure what psu you have.
all these different little things can combine to significantly hurt ur scores... but i think the major one is the cpu...
...
just a lil correction with matthew post... i got better performance on the oc... but nothing that would warrant overclocking... about a 200points...
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Ahhhh...this is what I like to see. Constructive criticism.
As for power...not an issue. At least not with a Cooler Master Real Power Pro 850W (http://www.coolermaster.com/products/product.php?act=detail&id=35) at the helm.
As for the CPU OC, I have hit a wall at 3.3 GHz, anything more than that will require more advanced cooling.
GPU OC'ing is a touchy subject for me. I dabble in it, but never as hardcore as the good Captain (and yourself) is wont to do.
As expensive as these cards are...I will NEVER attempt to volt-mod or reflash em, unless something is wrong and that's the
only means of rescue. So that out.
As for case, I have almost outgrown my Thermaltake Armor Jr. I need something bigger. Christmas bonus will fix that. :)
Might probably 'wet my feet' with CPU watercooling as well. I am very open to recommendations in that regard.
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nah man... my case is prolly same size as yours (correct me if i'm wrong)...
and yuh cant just throw in liquid cooling and oc the same q9300... its a chip limitation
i'm strictly air on everything and look @ my overclock and my temps... and scores for that matter...
u should be able to achieve the same thing as me we have alot of the same type of parts (cept for the cpu)
and as i said before... because is 850W doh mean is a good psu (voltage quality ftw) i cant comment on cooler master as i never reviewed them tho
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your not being constructive or tastefull isme2003
comment removed for spammage.
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your not being constructive or tastefull isme2003
comment removed for spammage.
... @ that... ROFL!!!... i thought arc already removed what he thought was unwarranted in his thread
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then right afterwards isme2003 goes on to make the "usefull post" of, arc fed his cards chinese milk... yeah.. good stuff..
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Errr...OK, whatever.
Anyway...this case here (http://hi-techreviews.com/reviews_2007/CoolerMaster_COSMOS/Page1.htm) is mih real hoss too.
This beauty will allow my components to 'stretch out' and finally optimise airflow. Of course with liquid
cooling on everything, airflow will be less of a problem, but we shall see how de funds running 'for de Christmas'. :lol:
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Errr...OK, whatever.
Anyway...this case here (http://hi-techreviews.com/reviews_2007/CoolerMaster_COSMOS/Page1.htm) is mih real hoss too.
This beauty will allow my components to 'stretch out' and finally optimise airflow. Of course with liquid
cooling on everything, airflow will be less of a problem, but we shall see how de funds running 'for de Christmas'. :lol:
liquid is the real deal for the x2, i got my stuff from www.performance-pc.com, wont break yua wallet, pretty good prices
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Don't get me wrong eh...I read, and re-read everything, but my reasons for upgrading anything
is not solely for benchmarking eh. Get that clear. The case upgrade is not a 'improve score' one.
Not by any means. I am quite happy with the performance as is. The Cooler Master case is a
LOT more orderly than my current one, and soundproof, and bigger, and could hold watercooling
apparatus as well.
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Well fellahs, just posted some updates on my upgraded rig with stock scores, OC commign later after i get rid of this failed 8.10 driver install,
Archman, if you really interested about upgrading to water, check out the rig, the case is a small midtower, sound proff from the get go, i did buy extra sound proffing for the inside which was not a break bank (not that i need it with the water, but i was on air before), check out how i ran the water colling equipment, tell meh wha yau think. i all the stuff from performance-pcs.
http://www.carigamers.com/cms/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=38&topic=14427.0;topicseen
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My primary reason for using the Q9300 in the 1st place was because of the extra heat output
of the B3 stepping Q6600 I used before. The G0 version was not widely available at the time,
so I went with what was available and affordable. What's the 'crime' in that?
I am fully aware it does not OC as well as the G0 Q6600, as some results on this very forum will attest to. So what? All that in it.
It is that very diversity in components and results that can guide others when they want to upgrade. You yourself phoenix,
seem to forget that it was on my recommendation and mini-review, that you decided to get the same Asus P5Q-E that your
rig now sports.
OK, so my CPU is not yielding the performance numbers that I would like, but again so what? It has served me without fault,
and I see no other reason to upgrade other than to 'beat score' or have 'the best rig'. Especially with Corei7 around the corner.
...and IsMe2003...nice work. Its plain to see that the G0 Q6600 is making all the difference there, but tell me though, can you achieve that
OC on air cooling?
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My primary reason for using the Q9300 in the 1st place was because of the extra heat output
of the B3 stepping Q6600 I used before. The G0 version was not widely available at the time,
so I went with what was available and affordable. What's the 'crime' in that?
I am fully aware it does not OC as well as the G0 Q6600, as some results on this very forum will attest to. So what? All that in it.
It is that very diversity in components and results that can guide others when they want to upgrade. You yourself phoenix,
seem to forget that it was on my recommendation and mini-review, that you decided to get the same Asus P5Q-E that your
rig now sports.
OK, so my CPU is not yielding the performance numbers that I would like, but again so what? It has served me without fault,
and I see no other reason to upgrade other than to 'beat score' or have 'the best rig'. Especially with Corei7 around the corner.
...and IsMe2003...nice work. Its plain to see that the G0 Q6600 is making all the difference there, but tell me though, can you achieve that
OC on air cooling?
yeah the G0 made a big diffrence, i was stuck on 3.2 with voltage i was comfy with in the B3, the G0 the door for more Hz with lest voltage, yeah before i installed the asus board, i tested on my old 680i same OC and ran occt for 2 hours, whiles i could have get the same OC, the temps was higer by far compared to the water, something like 77 to 79 degrees on load it was on air
---edit--
(it could have just be the shitty 680i board need more volts to keey the 3.6, the asus alot better on that front, but donthave results for it on air running onthe asus)
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You know bigger and meaner parts need a bigger 'house' to live in, right?
It don't get much bigger than this...
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2324/capture09102008221213il4.jpg) (http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9547/capture11102008172006pp7.jpg)
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5330/capture11102008172025wy0.jpg) (http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/8415/capture11102008172036ni5.jpg)
Yep, that's the Antec 1200 (http://www.antec.com/usa/productDetails.php?lan=us&id=15120) folks. Aint it a beauty?. :sunny:
Now I can finally have some room for proper cable management, and who knows, maybe some
watercooling apparatus (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000BMILZI/ref=ord_cart_shr?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=A2F13KK758WMXQ&v=glance). :happy0203: (Funds permitting of course)
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:happy0203:
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hmmmm... nice nice, but hey take my noob advice, research a proper radiator, kinda like this Thermochill :happy0203: (http://www.thermochill.com/pa1203.php) esp if u using it to cool that gpu.
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Duly noted. The watercooling will come when I have money for everything.
Till then is plenty more research. I looking for a rad setup that can mount up inside
the case, preferrably just under the 200mm top fan.
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Take Phills advice and go with a good rad, otherwise dont even waste your time. Especialy with the All-In-One liquid solution, dey all suck.
Thermochill, Black Ice Gen 2 (my current rad, which im willing to sell to arcman when he's ready :) ) or Farseer's new rad.
Dont waste your time on the rest. Swiftec or Lian for pumps.
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Well Matthew, I think he IS taking Philosophical's advice, u ent hear him say "The watercooling will come when I have money for everything." Just because a BMW go run nicer than a Toyota, doesn't mean that he should scrunt in the meantime to wait until he gets the BMW...let him take his time, he doesn't have as wide a budget as some other ppl in here who can afford such solutions in one go...
I think he'll take on ur advice in due time, don't stress him out to go the whole shebang in one shot...u can't blame him for looking to do the research himself in the meantime...
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Lawd everything is ah issue on this forum.
Anyways, i was re-inforcing what phil said, i was not implying he woudl or woundlt take the advice. i was just giving my own.
Also, in water cooling there is no Range, Is either yuh spend a certain amount upfront, or you dont. there is no toyota and bmw,
When you get into watercooling, the only way to get a proper return on your investment, is to spend a certain amount up front.
Otherwise much cheaper air solutions is going to totally murder you liquid. For instance. All those All-in-one kits, is going to be totally beaten,
By a Thermalright Ultra Extreme, or a OCZ Vendetta 2. Ive been through a range of solutions so i know what im talking about.
So if you cant foot for the good stuff, dont waste your money, becuase the guys with the cheap stuff in air is going to get better thermal performance.
And nobody is saying he cant do research, but i think the purpose of these forums is to give advice, and help ppl, and give guidance into the direction they shoudl take
to maximis price/performance. And since i already went through all this stress, i telin him one time, dont waste time on All-In-One solutions.
Start reseraching d good stuff, and save money to go for it.
Man builds on the back of man, if everybody want to re-invent d wheel then we wouldnt have PCs today :)
And nobody stressing nobody to do nothing, man juss giving advice :S Is that illegal on gatt now? rofl
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Duly noted MH.
Shortlist of items I should look out for? Prices? Availability? Where to buy?
All that info is what I would like to have.
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Scene.
Rad - Black Ice Gen 2, Farseer's New Rad (Currently Best Rated RAD)
Pump - Lian or Swiftech (Both are awsome and rated about the same, but swiftech is more popular, so comes down to preference, im personaly runing swiftech)
Res - There are tons of resevoirs available, this one comes down to preference and desired mounting style. Passively cooled res can aid thermal performance (i.e. res with heatsink)
Loop Size - 3/8" and 1/2" are the most popular, so most equipment, conectors, and nicknacks are either of these sizes. 1/2" tubing/connectors are ideal, as seen in iseme2003's rig.
Tubing - Choose tubing that avoids kinks. Kinks are the worse thing to happen to your system.
Flow Indicator - Not nessasary but very useful to ensure your liquid is flowing properly. Helps with Loop diagnostics. (Kinks, Clogs, etc)
Fans - Choose the fans to cool your rad carefully. Look for fans with a good Airflow:Noise ratio. Thermaltake currently has the best, high 78CMF Airflow with little noise.
Liquid - There are many types of fluids avaialbe to use with your system. But the cheap and better thing to do is make your own. Distilled Water + Radiator Coolant + Algee Killer, and you're good to go. we could talk about mix ratios if you decide to go that route. But its cheap, you have TONS of fluid avaialbe for draining, flushing, toping up your system etc. And you coudl go down d road anytime and get yuh materials lol.
Think thats about it, there are other stuff like connector types and what not, but you coudl sort that yuhself with some reserach.
Use these sites to shop and get info on all water cooling stuff:
www.performance-pcs.com (This site BOSS, have reviews and everything, and faster shiping dan NEWEGG. Note. Always choose dey ground shiping, once shiping to florida. it says 3 days. but it takes 1. So like d company mustbe based in florida cause when i buy thing from dem dey dont stick.)
www.frozencpu.com (Also good, i does use dem when performance-pcs out of stock of a particular part)
Ok dies more than enough info, head on over to those sites and start reading and reseraching :)
I smell more compition coming :)
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The prices of those items are a little daunting, but thanks for the info.
* adds to favourites *
I guess I will have to stick with hardmatic air cooling for now.
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Hardmatic air cooling...online...
(http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/457/dsc00248qa1.jpg) (http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8649/dsc00249cx5.jpg)
(http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6727/dsc00247rl6.jpg) (http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/7520/dsc00244vi7.jpg)
Still have some neatning up to do, especially around the PSU area, but thanks to the space
under the mobo tray, I was able to hide the majority of cables there. Antec was good enough
to provide re-usable plastic straps for just this purpose.
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VERY nice Arc!! jealousy is the word for tonight! lol
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*shakes head after trying to read all the previous posts and leaves thread*
*turns on MJ's save the world...*
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case looking nice man, most def needs cable management
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Lovely case! I see the PSU on a couple shots but in the later ones it disappears.
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case looking nice man, most def needs cable management
i recon cable management should be a snap with this case without any mods...
but what i'm really interested in... is the thermal performance of the case...
give us your views moving from the case u had before
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The major cable management is finished. I just need to find somewhere to put those unused PSU cables.
Or maybe I just have to wrap and tiem em up very nicely right there in front of the PSU. They'll be out
of the way of the main airflow anyway. Suggestions are welcome.
As for overall system temps, and most importantly, GPU temps, I've seen definite improvements.
I'm now seeing a CPU idle temp of 42C (down from 49C), and max load temp of 55C (down from 60C).
As for the GPU, with a 'fanhack' speed of 50% (approx 3800 RPM), max load temp is now 75C, down from
the danger area of 92 - 94C, which actually caused the system to crash due to GPU overheating. Thanks to the l33t airflow,
I no longer have that problem. I can now comfortably play Grid, which really punishes the GPUs temps-wise.
I really wish ATI would improve their fanspeed scaling in their drivers. A default fanspeed of 24% for this card is ludicrous.
All in all, a big improvement in every way over the Armor Jr.
So, in short, if you're not quite ready for liquid cooling, this is the case for you.
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yea, i dont know w hat wrong to Nvidia and ATI with dese rediculous fan profiles.
And the Antec P180 is a nice case for air as well. separate compartment for PSU and HDD realy helps drop system temps.
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The major cable management is finished. I just need to find somewhere to put those unused PSU cables.
Or maybe I just have to wrap and tiem em up very nicely right there in front of the PSU. They'll be out
of the way of the main airflow anyway. Suggestions are welcome.
arent there holes in the motherboard shelf that u can send the cables through?... if there are... then thats the solution... if not and u have a dremel... dremel that bastard... other than that gettin the out of the way of airflow is the top priority... asthetics is up to u.. so tyin them up neatly down by the psu should suffice
do u have a proper side case fan on?
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Look at the pics again. I routed all the power and drive cables in use there, but I'm out of space.
I could barely get that side cover on afterwards.
I'll think of something.....
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oh... ok if u get a proper case fan and can put ur side case on then i see a significant decrease in temps yet again... especially on the gpu
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if not and u have a dremel... dremel that bastard...
Whats a dremel ?
new guy to these terms
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if not and u have a dremel... dremel that bastard...
Whats a dremel ?
new guy to these terms
O_O and this folks is why they should have workshop class in every secondary school...
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Hey!!
i did woodwork ANd metalwork in forms 2 and 3 in secondary school, but I didn't learn what a dremel was there.
Is only since I become Techie I learn what that is..
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yes w1ntry.... and despite that statement u still haven't answered the question....
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yes w1ntry.... and despite that statement u still haven't answered the question....
Think mini Rotozip
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so basically it's a type of jig saw.....
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think of it more like a mini circular saw... but different bits can be used... drill bits etc
http://www.amazon.com/Dremel-750-02-Minimite-4-8-Volt-Cordless/dp/B0000302Y1/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1224195217&sr=8-1
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want to know what a dremil is?
Its a must have tool for case modding }-}
Cut holes, drill holes, carve stuff, sand stuff, get my driff , lololol
My thermaltake fans couldnt mount on my Themrl Right heatsink, becuase of the screw tunnel.
Used my dremil, and saw off he backside, and sand it smooth, now fits like a charm, and looks profesional }-}
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thanks for the info. :yay: i'll remember to get one when i'm ready to do case modding :lol:
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Yeah, I had to mod one of my case fans for the side panel, and had to use a FILE!!!
Definitely need to get me a Dremel.
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lol a lil barbaric craftsmanship never destroyed anything....much :lol:
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wait is ah FILE ah man say dere???
lol lol tim the tool man taylor to the rescue for dat arcman!! ahahah
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wait is ah FILE ah man say dere???
lol lol tim the tool man taylor to the rescue for dat arcman!! ahahah
na hoss doh ever go tim the tool man taylor on ur stuff lol... chances are u wont have stuff when ur done :violent5:
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nah man!! ah remember when he put ah muscle car engine on he lawnmower!! that was the most epic win evaaarrrrr
so arc
find ah lawn mower engine an weld dat b*** to your fans hoss!!
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:ko:
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For those of you with newer Asus motherboards (P5Q series):
INSTALL EXPRESS GATE NOW!!!
It is VERY BOSS!!!
For those of you unfamiliar with Express Gate (http://event.asus.com/mb/expressgate/index.htm), its a modified Linux distro called Splashtop,
which boots in about 5 seconds, and contains a modified Firefox browser, Skype, and even a
multichat client. Even as I post this from within Express Gate, I'm also chatting on MSN as well.
It may seem like a gimmick, but if all you want to do is check email, and browse the internet without
the OS overhead, then its great for that. Now I can download drivers and such to fix Windows when
it playing up.
ARCMAN APPROVED!!!
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you could run something like log me in from that?
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lol...nah, its not THAT robust, but its Linux, so I'm sure some l33t-hax out there
has already figured out how to take it apart for something like that to work.
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b000000000 :'(
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Not much is required for remote proxies like logmein, basically just java (for linux based) and ActiveX for windows. Express Gate is a quick and easy, so it's possible if java support is included or added that it should also work.
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Latest benchmark run...
(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8075/capture09112008175846al6.th.jpg) (http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture09112008175846al6.jpg)(http://img238.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
3.5GHz is the absolute highest that the Q9300 will achieve without some serious liquid cooling on the CPU
and northbridge.
Ah well...this OC is danger territory anyway on air, so its back to 3GHz for normal operation.
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saw a pretty decent liquid cooler for around US$75
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2321
IbuyPower's IBP-Z001 self-contained liquid cooling system
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Thanks...but no thanks. Them all-in-one kits not uber enough.
I would need something thats modular, and expandable.
Eventually I want to be able to cool the Northbridge and GPUs, as well as the CPU.
A good watercooling setup to do that is a few thousand dollars, for about 100-200 MHz more? Not worth it.
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My LAN rig has evolved rather nicely over the last few months, and this is its present incarnation:
MB: Gigabyte EP45-DS3L
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 (B3 stepping) @ 3.3 GHz
RAM: 4 x 1GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer, DDR2-1066 (5-5-5-15)
GPU: (Diamond) ATI Radeon HD4870 512MB @ 750 MHz memory/900 MHz core
Of course, here is the obligatory benchmark:
(http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/3729/capture29112008092417pmcb4.th.jpg) (http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture29112008092417pmcb4.jpg)
Yes, thats the same Q6600 I got way back in mid-2007, before it became everyone else's new hoss. :mellow:
What's interesting to note here, is that the Thermalright Ultima-90 thats on the CPU now, is actually performing better
than the lapped Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme I used on it at that time. Remember this little experiment (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,13132.msg173757.html#msg173757)?
Load temp on this biatch is 43C at 3.3 GHz, which is actually better than my Q9300 (which idles at 40C) that loads at 55C at 3 GHz. Of course,
the lapping of the CPU heatspreader has a lot to do with this. Ask daniboy what he REALLY thought when I agreed to let him proceed with this. :laughing7:
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ur lan rig kicks my current rig in the nuts.. hard..lol
u have two kickass systems, well done meng well done..
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saw a pretty decent liquid cooler for around US$75
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2321
IbuyPower's IBP-Z001 self-contained liquid cooling system
I actually have that cooler on my Q9550 and it runs pretty cool. 31 degrees on minimal load, and 36 degrees when gaming. My system temps range between 28 degrees and 36 degrees. I have the HD4870X2 on its stock fan, but that thing runs at 45 degrees with the fan set to 50%. Of course I suspect my Cooler Master HAF 932 case has something to do with the good airflow...
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I actually have that cooler on my Q9550 and it runs pretty cool. 31 degrees on minimal load, and 36 degrees when gaming. My system temps range between 28 degrees and 36 degrees. I have the HD4870X2 on its stock fan, but that thing runs at 45 degrees with the fan set to 50%. Of course I suspect my Cooler Master HAF 932 case has something to do with the good airflow...
Nice, I might actually consider it for the 2009 project. . . TBA
And, Arc, I thought it was Vista64 you were running?
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Thats on my main rig (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,11652.msg197155.html#msg197155). Because of some software and hardware issues, I decided to use 32-bit Vista
on the LAN rig.
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hey did you buy that case in Trinidad or did you import it and whats the price you paid?
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Nope...Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Antec-Twelve-Hundred-Drive-2xUSB/dp/B0017KMI66/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1232730953&sr=8-1) is meh hoss.
Cost about 1800 TT in all, including all shipping.
Its expensive, but its worth it. Its a beauty, and not to mention, an absolute joy to work in.
I can import if for you if you want (for a 'small fee' of course :happy0203:), but for such a large
item you'll definitely have to gimme all da money up-front.
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My LAN rig has evolved rather nicely over the last few months, and this is its present incarnation:
MB: Gigabyte EP45-DS3L
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 (B3 stepping) @ 3.3 GHz
RAM: 4 x 1GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer, DDR2-1066 (5-5-5-15)
GPU: (Diamond) ATI Radeon HD4870 512MB @ 750 MHz memory/900 MHz core
Of course, here is the obligatory benchmark:
(http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/3729/capture29112008092417pmcb4.th.jpg) (http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture29112008092417pmcb4.jpg)
Yes, thats the same Q6600 I got way back in mid-2007, before it became everyone else's new hoss. :mellow:
What's interesting to note here, is that the Thermalright Ultima-90 thats on the CPU now, is actually performing better
than the lapped Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme I used on it at that time. Remember this little experiment (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,13132.msg173757.html#msg173757)?
Load temp on this biatch is 43C at 3.3 GHz, which is actually better than my Q9300 (which idles at 40C) that loads at 55C at 3 GHz. Of course,
the lapping of the CPU heatspreader has a lot to do with this. Ask daniboy what he REALLY thought when I agreed to let him proceed with this. :laughing7:
Lol Arc yuh always one step ahead :p
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waays, Arc, you ever try Grid on dat system, cuz it's basically the same MoBo/CPU combo i runnin, and the audio is anot playing right during game play.
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I had absolutely no problem at all with Grid, but then I used Vista 32-bit. Look closely though,
I used the EP45-DS3L, not the EP35-DS3L.
I say upgrade to the P45 version (http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GA-EP45-DS3L-45NMCORE2QUAD-CORE2DUO-Pentium/dp/B001BS6TDM/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1232763177&sr=8-1). I can almost guarantee that all your issues would be solved.
Consider using Vista x64 as well.
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what that board cost you? and you sourced locally or foreign?
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So...the Q9650 is IN...
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7136/capture02022009224707ky8.th.jpg) (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture02022009224707ky8.jpg)
:happy0203:
4 GHz maybe.....?
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does your rig have sylar inside?
no??
oh .. :( too bad
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sananavich!!!! decent score.. hit we d 4ghz iwmc.
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but wtf @ the 3dmark06 chip recognition lol PIII lol wayys lol hrmm i wonder if the majority of the funny looking scores on ORB are from buggy chip recognitions in 3dmark.... makes u wonder some huh
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Yeah...I wondered about that myself. I think its a BIOS issue.
Not even the latest CPU-Z (1.49) detecting the proper CPU name.
A BIOS update might be in order, because 4 GHz causes bluescreens...no matter what memory or voltage setting. More research immc.
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maybe when u update the bios the bsod's may stop u never know 3.6-3.8 is a good clock for those...
btw can u update the benchmark list to include me too....
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It was brought to my attention that Arcman has taken top spot with a 48 point lead. Impressive.
But as naruto says, i wont loose :)
Core i7, Tripple Channel ram, and 5870 X2 (http://guru3d.com/news/ati-planning-a-new-radeon-5870-x2-graphics-card) here i come :)
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I heard about that. The specs of that card are damn impressive.
This is a good development. It will drive down the price of the 4870X2 enough
so that I can get another one. :happy0203:
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hmm two 4870x2's are nice visual ownage... but performance wise, not a smart buy.
bleh..
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Nah, not for crossfire. As a 'spare'. Maybe even a 4850X2 for the LAN rig.
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^^ I think yer right. He spelt "triple" wrong!
*DRAMATIC MUSIC*
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What handgun? You mean shotgun... :mellow:
One BIOS update and several hours of tweaking later...
(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3842/capture04022009012839fv4.th.jpg) (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture04022009012839fv4.jpg)
This CPU is a keeper. :happy0203:
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Quite impressive! Are you IntelBurn stable (http://downloads.guru3d.com/IntelBurnTest-v1.6-download-2047.html) at those speeds?
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SWEET! what's the heet report on that sananavich?
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I shall do some proper stress testing this weekend. We shall see how it fares, stability-wise.
I have a feeling though, that it may fail a sustained stress test, as I had to use 1.4V Vcore
to get the system stable enough to pass the CPU tests in 3DMark06.
Right now I'm looking for the proper combo of auxiliary voltages (Vtt, NB, SB, PLL, etc) to have everything
completely stable.
Surprisingly though, the BIOS update seems to have improved the temp reporting from the on-board sensors.
CPU idle temp is 35C. Max load temp, even at 4 GHz, is approx 45C. Thats a whole lot better than the Q9300,
which was idle at 42C, and 55C at load...and that was at 3 GHz.
Intel has seemingly worked some kinda thermal magic with this CPU.
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OCCT 3.0 out dunno if u use this program but it's what i use alone to stress out my cpu also it can do the gpu and psu lol has latest linpack engine for maximum heat lol..
http://www.ocbase.com/download.php?fileext=exe
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impressive temps for that clock, hmm some intel black magic there..lol
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45nm black magic lol hehehe
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After a few days of tweaking, I finally got this CPU stable at 4 GHz...
3DMark Vantage
Performance
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2655/capture05022009051832nv9.th.jpg) (http://img12.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture05022009051832nv9.jpg)
High
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4842/capture06022009202911ee8.th.jpg) (http://img12.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture06022009202911ee8.jpg)
IntelBurn result (10 tests)
(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/7793/capture06022009193425xf9.th.jpg) (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture06022009193425xf9.jpg)
These Q9xxx CPUs are a lot harder to OC than the Q6xxx models. Maintaining stability requires
manipulation of FSB, North Bridge, South Bridge, PLL, and GTL Reference voltages. It took a lot of reasearch
and forum trolling to find that magical combo of voltages, but even then, I still had to raise or lower a voltage
setting here and there to get it just right.
IntelBurn is something else. It makes Orthos/Prime95 look tame in comparison. No more waiting for hours
to determine if your OC is stable. IntelBurn will tell you in MINUTES if something is wrong.
No grey area...its either pass or fail.
Max load temps shot up to 71C at one point, so proper CPU cooling is a must. IntelBurn does raise the max temps
a LOT more than Prime95 ever could, so I'm pretty sure that this OC is good for 24/7 operation. * Thanks Noctua * ;)
Idle temp on this CPU at 4 GHz is a quite pleasant 35C. Quite a bit better than the Q9300, which idled at 43C.
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amidst all of that, lolz, i couldn't help but notice two icons, PRON and MORE PRON, lmao!!
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* winks * :lol:
A lil slackness now and then can't hurt. Its not only new tech that turns me on... :)
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Hmmmm 4 gigs eh? Sweet oc, s'pecially for a quad. Something for us all to aspire to.
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congrats man first GATT'er to make 4.0 hehe
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congrats indeed, epic achievement unlock their.
and seriously though wda at those temps!! toms wasnt even pullin that off! so good job there mengz
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45nm black magic lol hehehe
nuff said :lol:
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Ah find Crixx takin too long, so I've decided to become the Core i7 guinea-pig, with the following:
MSI X58 Pro (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001RCUIL6) mobo
(http://xtreview.com/images/MSI%20x58%20pro%2003.jpg)
Intel Core i7 920 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001H5T7LK) CPU
(http://www.bcchardware.com/gallery/albums/Corei7-920/corei7_intro.jpg)
Corsair XMS3 3 x 2GB DDR3-1333 (PC3-10666) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001J3U4LC) RAM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8yG3F4odLXg/SSQT1K6fvGI/AAAAAAAAAho/WIF3lFxbSyY/s320/51T0ODHoTPL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
Once again, cooling will be provided by Noctua (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001L4IKCE)
(http://www.tweakpc.de/gallery/data/536/noctua_nh_u12p_se1366.jpg)
Should hopefully have all these b!a#ches by next weekend (once Customs stop misbehaving).
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That board and CPU will be the base of my new system once I get my current parts sold. I'musing back my current core contact cooler with the new 1366 retention bracket for $10us. Those i7 coolers are just too expensive.
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Well, Noctua does have a 1366 retention bracket for the same HSF I sold to Hard O/C, but
the bastards chose not to sell it on any US website, so I'm forced to purchase the Core i7 version,
which is essentially the same damn thing with the new 1366 bracket included. (aint THAT a b!#ch?)
It does come with two fans instead of one though, so thats a 'plus' I guess.
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ahh well i waiting till yr end to get mine stuffs.... good luck with the build man
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GG.. Arc you have ANY organs left?
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^^^How you so sure it's his organs selling lol
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Don't forget, my main rig has been chopped up and sold off to finance this upgrade eh.
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^^^How you so sure it's his organs selling lol
LMAO!!! true... anyone living in the Curepe area to verify XD
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HEY!!! Doh start da talk!!! :laughing7:
...besides, if I was in dat, I wouldn't 'ply my trade in CUREPE of all places'.
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Well, I got the RAM and mobo this morning...and was miffed to discover that I was charged VAT on both. ???
The on-again, off-again VAT jumbie for PC parts is upon us once again.
Why not go 3 for 3 and charge VAT on the CPU while you're at it too Mr Customs.... :(
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ask and you shall receive ? :lol: btw cant wait to see the perfromance !!
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Well, I got the RAM and mobo this morning...and was miffed to discover that I was charged VAT on both. ???
The on-again, off-again VAT jumbie for PC parts is upon us once again.
Why not go 3 for 3 and charge VAT on the CPU while you're at it too Mr Customs.... :(
Comptroller of Customs: "Oh yes we will!"
On a serious note CPU is VAT-able now
On a positive note, I can't to see this rig come alive. more ownage by Arc
*grumbles cause I still ent get my salary from ministry yet, so I can get my next upgrade.
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wait
so if mc cpus are vatable what exactly makes a computer vat exempt now???
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Well look who it is...the man with the ever illusive i7 rig...
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why is it ever illusive?
recent price drops particularly in the ram have me rebudgeting
seeing if i really cant get that bd burner in there lol
but this customs story scaring me now...if i spend 15k+ on a rig and they wanna vat me... then steups rebudget again
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lol i5 will release b4 crixxmachine...
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i5 would be a slower iteration no?
and i assure you, my i7 rig will be along LONG before yours.
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well i eh have no money but meh rig kinda in the today... lol no offence but damn man brighten up de place with the i7 atleast now yuh eh go be de guinea pig.....
and i dont really need it now anyways maybe christmas i go get suprised :happy0203:
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...and it could pwn some more if ATI could get their act together on driver support.
As of the latest Catalyst 9.3, Crossfire is STILL broken for me. :(
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well ent yuh have the x2 card ? CF on a card :D or is 2 4870's u have or the driver does make the card read as one ??
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Even though its two 4870 GPUs on one physical card, the driver still reads it as
two distinct GPUs connected via Crossfire.
For some reason, Crossfire seems to be broken from driver revision 8.11 onwards.
Its getting a bit ridiculous now. I will do a fresh re-install of Windows Vista x64
on this new rig to see if the problem is really with the driver, or if something in my current
rig is just not agreeing with Catalyst in its present form.
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hrmm well use pre 8.11 drivers :lol: till the issue is thoroughly settled :D
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Yuh see how Customs f@#kup...
The Q9650 I recently imported was charged $45.00 VAT, and THAT cost $334 US...
...so HOW DE F@#K A CPU COSTING $270 US
WILL NOW INCUR A $226 VAT CHARGE!!? ???
I dunno nah, I SWEAR there are some serious F@#K-tards working in Customs yes...
Yes, I, Jeremy Kurt Archie, of 66 Carib Homes, Arima say so.
JESUS H. F@#KING CHRIST!!! :angry:
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*plots address into Google Maps*
Aye! I hope them men eh frig me up with my stuff so nah.
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Yuh see how Customs f@#kup...
The Q9650 I recently imported was charged $45.00 VAT, and THAT cost $334 US...
...so HOW DE F@#K A CPU COSTING $270 US
WILL NOW INCUR A $226 VAT CHARGE!!? ???
I dunno nah, I SWEAR there are some serious F@#K-tards working in Customs yes...
Yes, I, Jeremy Kurt Archie, of 66 Carib Homes, Arima say so.
JESUS H. F@#KING CHRIST!!! :angry:
Lucky me ant is going away ,so i can get my I7 parts without the vat
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But how d hell dem chargin you vat on CPU. The laws change ah wah. I myself have some parts coming soon. I hope deh en try to pull that sh!t on me.
Hard luck dey arc
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But how d hell dem chargin you vat on CPU. The laws change ah wah. I myself have some parts coming soon. I hope deh en try to pull that sh!t on me.
Hard luck dey arc
Your shaft coming just now, doh worry. So will mine.
For the LONGEST while i had a FULL list of what is and what isn't VAT able int eh realm of computer parts.
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I doh mind yuh charge me VAT eh, but THE MATHS NEED TO BE F@#KING CONSISTENT!!! :angry:
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Maybe that's why gov't wanna send them home lol
It's like nothing is consistent with them, they just go on a hunch and say yea yea charge dat dey....
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Maybe that's why gov't wanna send them home lol
It's like nothing is consistent with them, they just go on a hunch and say yea yea charge dat dey....
Yes, that is exactly what happens in there!! I used to work clearing goods in customs for a skybox company.
Clerk and officer examine a package, if they see no invoice, the customs officer asks the clerk, "Gimme a value." The clerk with his knowledge (or lack thereof) of the current market value of item gives some arbitrary value, and the officer goes with that. Customs can even disregard an invoice's declared value of an item and use their own value and charge accordingly.
In the short 6 months I worked in there I seen camouflage handbag get pass through right under the officer's noses. I still wondering how I only get charged TT$350 VAT+Duty on two iphones the other day (and one was the 3g version!)... not that i complaining :happy0203:
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Got the CPU this morning. Haven't got the HSF as yet. Won't get that till Wednesday next week actually.
I'm itching to get this rig up and running...and the CPU did come with its own HSF eh....
*strokes chin*
...but then I'll have to remove the mobo to install the Noctua HSF, which can be a kinda headache sometimes.
I wish this case had a hole in the motherboard tray just underneath where the CPU would normally reside,
so installing an aftermarket CPU backplate would only involve removing the other side panel.
* sigh *
Oh well, a few more days can't hurt.
So, here's the total breakdown so far:
MSI X58 Pro => $197.91 US + $264.30 TT (all fees) = $1521.03 TT
Intel Core i7 => $269.99 US + $332.95 TT (all fees) = $2047.39 TT [worst case :(]
Corsair 3 x 2 GB => $105.50 US + $178.90 TT (all fees) = $848.83 TT
Which works out to $4417.25.
You can use the above prices as a guide when ordering. I purposely left the HSF
out because its not absolutely necessary if you plan on running this at stock,
but where's the fun in that?
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Honestly the prices to ship down there dont look so bad to me.
Thank sagat you have a graph card,psu,case alrdy :D imagine the price of that mo fugga then.
on further note <:@>..I wont be getting my i7 build for a next 2-3months cant wait to see how this beast runs kudos :D.
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man come to think of it i7 has some heat issues when comes to the 3.8-4.0 line so i guess the hsf is a must hehe
ay arc how much it cost u to ship that Q9650 to here
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OK, so I could not wait on the HSF, so I took the plunge and assembled the parts using my Top Deck Station (http://www.highspeedpc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=TopTechSTD).
Of course, the FIRST thing I did was update the BIOS. Not exactly sure what changes
were made as I didn't 'dig up' in the original BIOS.
One quirk I noticed...and this will save other users of this board a LOT of headache:
This board does NOT like thinner SATA cables. It would detect all drives in the BIOS,
but time to install windows, I would get 'no drives found'. It took me the better part of THREE hours
to figure this out. I actually thought my HDDs were defective. After I changed the cables
to the standard red SATA cable, installation went off without a hitch.
I'll install drivers and post some preliminary benchmarks later today.
OC'ing will commence when the Noctua is installed.
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Now why am I not surprised...
Note to self re sata cables.
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hmmm
*waits patiently*
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So you lapping the cpu or something?
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'Aww HELL-to-tha-naw!!!' [c] Whitney Houston
No lapping necessary.
I have faith in the Noctua. Yuh forget the nice temps it had the Q9650 at.
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I'll install drivers and post some preliminary benchmarks later today.
It was a sarcastic question...where the promised benchies?
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Many Windows updates later...
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3724/screen22032009103555pm.th.jpg) (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen22032009103555pm.jpg)
...and this is bone stock, no OC on anything, and already its within 1000 points of the highly OC'ed Q9300 rig (http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8075/capture09112008175846al6.jpg),
and also within spitting distance of the significantly OC'ed Q9650 rig (http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7136/capture02022009224707ky8.jpg).
I can't WAIT to start OC'ing this biatch. :happy0203:
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Holy SHEEEETTTTTTTTTTT :notworthy:
*puts core i7 in wish list*
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Some quick Vantage benchies...
Performance
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6851/screen23032009062822j.th.jpg) (http://img12.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen23032009062822j.jpg)
High
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/76/screen23032009064434.th.jpg) (http://img12.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen23032009064434.jpg)
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Nice score man. What a powerful platform!
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arc update your first post with yur current build plixx
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Why though?
I wanted to leave the 1st post as is to serve as a reference point.
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I'm not sure if I'll go with the i7 platform as my next upgrade path, may go for something a little more moderate, like the i5 platform instead, seems to be more mainstream-level...but that of course will all depend on the prices by August/September side...
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Ah yes... just when ppl think they could even start to lime in Arc benchmark neighbourhood... the man does THIS.... oh btw SPK that sig WIN!!!!!
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Preliminary results at 3.5 GHz...
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9965/screen25032009230936.th.jpg) (http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen25032009230936.jpg)
Quite a substantial result, considering that I got it to 'only' 3.5 GHz.
It has almost surpassed my highly overclocked Q9650 rig.
I haven't found that magical combo of voltages to meet/exceed 3.6 GHz yet however.
The saga continues...
EDIT
No combination of voltages and multipliers seems to enable proper operation at or
above 3.6 GHz, which corresponds to a 180 MHz base clock.
Based on my research, it appears that anything higher than that requires the use
of a 1600 MHz RAM kit.
Not what I was aiming for, but a substantial increase nonetheless.
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Nice. Cant wait to get my components to try my pwn hand at ocing that biatch.
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Based on my research, it appears that anything higher than that requires the use
of a 1600 MHz RAM kit.
Not what I was aiming for, but a substantial increase nonetheless.
Wait... you didn't go DDR3 1600... I saw an OCZ Reaper kit, 3GB for 80USD on newegg just last week... what's your excuse for not going 1600 off the bat?
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When I bought that kit, it was the cheapest 6 GB DDR3 kit at the time at 110 US.
It amazes me how much EVERY other 6 GB kit has fallen in price in just two weeks.
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Such is Tech for ya!
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My forum trolling has paid off.
I have FINALLY found the GOSU voltages to push past 3.5 Ghz to 3.8...
(http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3563/screen26032009215009.th.jpg) (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen26032009215009.jpg)
Internets be praised. :notworthy:
What is surprising is that I was able to push the Corsair XMS3 to 1600 MHz to achieve this result.
I KNEW that the RAM was the keep-back here.
On to 4 GHz perhaps.....? :happy0203:
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So what voltages did you end up using? Interesting that you were able to achieve such a high clock. Most places I read they say 195 is max stable. Are you stable at those settings btw?
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Well...i was able to reach 3.9 GHz, and do a benchmark.
(http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1816/screen26032009225338u.th.jpg) (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen26032009225338u.jpg)
As for stability...not sure. Linpack will determine that.
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Mr. Arcman, I don't like you anymore.
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LOL.....aw c'mon, don't be like that. :laughing7:
Linpack bitch-slap my 3.9 GHz yes. BSOD after about 5 seconds.
So that definitely not stable, but I not fighting up with that.
I am happy with 3.8 GHz. :)
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I have already conferred with arcman on the level this score has achieved. A picture says a thousand words.
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Good God. Giwwe some vantage too for good measure nah.
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OC.net and AT lol some bess tweaks tho the 920 seems to stay around 3.8 for most
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Vantage benchies as requested...
Performance
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1263/screen01042009222458s.th.jpg) (http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen01042009222458s.jpg)
High
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/524/screen01042009223826.th.jpg) (http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen01042009223826.jpg)
Well, as you can see, even at 3.8 GHz this i7 920/X58 rig still outshines the Q9650/P45 rig (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,11652.msg204305.html#msg204305) at 4 GHz. Simply amazing. :awesome:
I wont be giving this one up for a WHILE. :happy0203:
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F@#K YEA !!! lol sorry got carried away there.. well i guess 8 threads stomps on 4 right....
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The Captain always brings out the 'best' in me... :happy0203:
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9140/screen07042009020706.th.jpg) (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen07042009020706.jpg)
Now take yer grubby hands off da crown.
...and take a gander at this...
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/7117/screen07042009040628.th.jpg) (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen07042009040628.jpg)
LinX does not lie. ROCK solid at 4 GHz. :happy0203:
* Lays blood sacrifice at the feet of Noctua's shrine * :notworthy:
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Damn reign didnt even last the night. I'll se what I can do about that...
Good Job mengz.
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^^^ Respect ma --- PWNT!!!
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Ummm...ring ring
yea hello
u want sax?
ok hold on
Sax...8th place on the line for you...
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Ummm...ring ring
yea hello
u want sax?
ok hold on
Sax...8th place on the line for you...
wayyyy lolz harsh
but its not called gymNICEtics indeed
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Ummm...ring ring
yea hello
u want sax?
ok hold on
Sax...8th place on the line for you...
LOLZ..... wait... sax still has 8th place... wat the french toast... >_>
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...and just when I done spend mih money, along comes a newer i7 with a newer stepping (http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=584). :(
Its the same scenario as the Q6600 B3/G0 revisions. The newer D0 stepping runs at a lower default voltage, which immediately translates into better overclocking
capability.
Where the C0 reached 4 GHz with substantial tweaking, the D0 can EXCEED 4.3 GHz. Got-DAMN!!! :awesome:
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But remember this is in only the most ideal of circumstances. Still, this is a nice little upgrade.
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Wait nah, is Vista versus Windows 7???
Arc - Vista
Cap - Win7 (beta build 7000)
Arc, what you attribute the extra 119 points to?
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The difference might be due to the nice lil OC I put on the GPU(s).
The HD4870X2 is essentially CrossfireX on a stick, and it will always be more efficient
than 2 actual HD4870 cards in CrossfireX, hence the slightly extra winnage. :happy0203:
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hey mr.4+Ghz @ 3.0 Ghz and 1280*1024 res is it better to upgrade the video card or the cpu in my system.... (planning alternate upgrade route)
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Video Card all the way.
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So I decided to OC my LAN-rig to 4 GHz just for the fun of it...and was pleasantly surprised how easy
it was using the Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R, compared to the Asus P5Q-E I used before (which needed a
BIOS update and several HOURS of tweaking/rebooting).
The BIOS is laid out MUCH better than the Asus in my opinion, and actually shows default voltage values next
to what it is currently, and if you mess up, you only need reboot about 3 times to recover.
Here is my rock solid stable result after just about 2 hrs of tweaking...
(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4256/capture08042009114108pm.th.jpg) (http://img22.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture08042009114108pm.jpg)
Quite a nice result for a machine with 'only' one HD4870. :)
(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/313/capture08042009104727pm.th.jpg) (http://img22.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture08042009104727pm.jpg)
Temperature of the hottest core was 80C under extreme load. Well within safe limits for 24/7 operation.
As far as the P45 boards go, I'll have to actually recommend this one over the Asus P5Q series.
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Man have not one, but TWO machines in the top 5. You just can't compete with THAT level of uberness.
Tips hat
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Well, actually, if I was actively competing with this rig, it would be 6th (above two technically superior rigs I might add :happy0203:).
Rage and Redlum displaying some epic stickage by not OC'ing them biatches. :)
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lol... sleepers...
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Rage and Redlum displaying some epic stickage by not OC'ing them biatches. :)
SHHH!!!
What the h3l! wrong with you, give men chance to post scores before them sleepers fellas get a chance to OC
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Well, actually, if I was actively competing with this rig, it would be 6th (above two technically superior rigs I might add :happy0203:).
Rage and Redlum displaying some epic stickage by not OC'ing them biatches. :)
*Redlum Grumbles like Bruce Banner* "You won't like me when I'm angry" LOL
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So my test rig is back online...
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/3118/screen4152009114810pml.th.jpg) (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen4152009114810pml.jpg) (http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/3774/screen4162009120054am.th.jpg) (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen4162009120054am.jpg)
Not too shabby for an E8400 and a HD4850. :)
...and were it to be included in the rankings...it would end up smack dab in the middle there at 12th place.
So, gentlemen, you have some 'work' to do. :mellow:
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^You sir, will have a very high electricity bill lol
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man have a rig, lan rig AND test rig, all of which are considerably beefier than that of 95% of T&T's population...
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whatchoo talking bout arc an O/C?
allyuh forgetting my 14k (http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4469/06bench.png) as well as the bumped down winny. so allyuh still at 13/14
PS
arc whatchoo power bill does be just outta curiosity.
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man have a rig, lan rig AND test rig, all of which are considerably beefier than that of 95% of T&T's population...
...and about 20% of gatt lol...
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man have a rig, lan rig AND test rig, all of which are considerably beefier than that of 95% of T&T's population...
I'm sure there are enthusiasts out there more hardcore than me.
As for the power thing...I'll have to check that.
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One BIOS update, one driver revision, and several hours of tweaking later... :happy0203:
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9462/screen27052009161227.th.jpg) (http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen27052009161227.jpg)
...and yes, it is MUCHO stable...
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4825/screen27052009153156.th.jpg) (http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen27052009153156.jpg)
Some advice for potential owners of this motherboard: the FIRST thing you need to do before you even USE
this board is to remove the IOH/ICH heatsink and replace the horrible TIM with Arctic Silver 5. At stock clocks
you will see a drop of about 30C at least. This helps a LOT, especially when overclocking.
Apparently the IOH temp issue has been somewhat of a sore point for many users of MSI's X58 series of motherboards.
A cusory glance at this MSI user forum (http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?board=54.0) reveals just how widespread this problem is. MSI needs to improve on its X58 northbridge cooling.
Some enterprising modders have even used a 40mm fan on top of the heatsink, and some have gone even further
to replace the heatsink entirely (http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=126885.0) with the Thermalright IFX, but that may actually render some SATA ports unuseable.
I'll have to find some 1337 way of using my Antec Spot Cool fan for maximum effect.
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Man cross the 25k barrier yes. I myself am looking for a solution for that IOH issue, preferable one where I dont have to spend any money.
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Well, I did exactly as most modders suggested. I actually removed that heatsink, cleaned off the already hardened TIM,
and put on some Arctic Silver 5 on dat biatch. Idle temp on the IOH dropped a full 30C from 92C to 62C.
So you could try that.
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Before I even installed the board, I did just that. I cleaned off that glue totally and put as5. Yet, to my surprise, temps were STILL crossing 100degrees so I was like wwaaaaaa??? Yes I verified that it was clipped properly to the board...no dice.
As promised, I just found a solution, so simple and elegant in its simplicity. I snapped off the fan off of an old amd heatsink and slotted it right over the nb heatsink. The fan was thin enough that it slid perfectly under the lever for the cpu hsf and the fan is now resting quite snugly on my master video card. Temps are now hovering at a much more comfortable 65 degrees.
Cost to Cpt Awesome: $0.00
Satisfaction of Cpt Awesome: 100%
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Take a pic of that lemme see. That is exactly what I was considering, but I don't have any
of those smaller fans lying around.
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Boom blast.
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5908/dsc00001vdi.th.jpg) (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00001vdi.jpg)
I know I keep all this crap around for a reason.
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HA!!! Did some digging, and found an old Socket A HSF. Of course, I sting off the fan ONE TIME
and 'chook it een' as per that pic. IOH idle temp is now down to 58C, which should ensure longevity.
Based on what I've read, MSI has since listened to all the complaints, and have actually improved the
IOH cooling on newer revisions of their X58 motherboards. GJ MSI.
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So yuh boy started playin up with the new X3 today...
(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3148/dsc00508c.jpg)
Point of note: couldn't use my Dominator RAM because of the HSF. Unfortuantely, on all
AMD mobos, the HSF can only be oriented one way, and this particular HSF (Thermalright Ultima-90)
overhangs the 1st DIMM slot. Good thing I had an extra set of Crucial DDR2 'lying around'.
...and the Top Deck Station makes this sort of testing so easy. :sunny:
1st run at stock (2.8 GHz) and 2nd run at 3.4 GHz.
(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/7594/capture29052009094555am.th.jpg) (http://img43.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture29052009094555am.jpg) (http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5605/capture29052009105836am.th.jpg) (http://img43.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture29052009105836am.jpg)
Specs...
MB: MSI K9A2-CF (790X chipset)
CPU: AMD Phenom II X3 720 Black Edition
RAM: 2 x 2 GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR2-1066
GPU: [Sapphire] ATI Radeon HD4850
No change in idle/load temps so far.
Funyy how Everest does not see the increase in CPU clockspeed as an overclock,
as the bus speed is unchanged. Unlocked multipliers are da shiznit. :awesome:
Testing continues...
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BRING THE NOISE!!!
That aside Arc, the Sunbeam CCF would solve your RAM slot overlap ;) seeing as YOU did recommend it to begin with.
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Update...
Was able to post very 'comfortably' and boot into Windows, and run a benchmark...
(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/72/capture29052009011600pm.th.jpg) (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture29052009011600pm.jpg)
...and I THOUGHT everything was fine and dandy, until I decided to stress-test with LinX 0.58.
Within 5 seconds I was b!7ch-slapped with a BSOD. :(
So of course, madd tweaking commenced, and I was finally able to get stability at 3.6 GHz...
(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5244/capture29052009020820pm.th.jpg) (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture29052009020820pm.jpg)
Notice the substantial increase in CPU voltage. From 1.342V to 1.460V.
Load temp topped out at 61C. *ouch* A bit too hot for my liking.
This 92 mm fan I have on my Ultima-90 seems to have reached its efficiency threshold, so its push-pull ihmc. :)
Testing continues...
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61? wow, I never hit that even at 3.7GHz... and you're heatsink dare I say is better than mine (marginally but still). Interesting... what is your ambient temp arc?
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Well, the addition of a 2nd 120 mm fan did help, a bit. Load temp is now down to 57C.
As for ambient temp, I cannot tell, but it was very hot in here today, and I don't have AC
unfortunately. I goin by a pardner tonite for a LAN sweat, and his game room is AC-cooled,
so test rig will be making a trip there for some testing too. :)
With that said, it seems that 3.6 GHz is the maximum I can squeeze out of this CPU on this board.
It seems you were right W1nTry, when you suggested that the SB600 soutbridge would limit the OC
of this particular CPU. Still, I'm VERY impressed as to the overclockability of this CPU.
Sadly, my LAN rig still pwns it. Far less my main rig.
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Sadly, my LAN rig still pwns it. Far less my main rig.
How much did those cost in comparison? do a price/performance for we nah. Some first hand experience with different platforms, cost and their relative performance, we'll use 3DMark for arguments sake.
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Well, lets see...
Intel Core i7 920 = 280 US
MSI X58 Pro = 197 US
3 x 2 GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3-1333 RAM = 101 US
HD4870X2 = 450 US
Net total = 1028 US
Max 3DMark06 score achieved = 25101
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 = 325 US
Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R = 133 US
2 x 2 GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR2-1066 = 65 US
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD4870 512 MB = 171 US
Net total = 694 US
Max 3DMark06 score achieved = 17066
AMD Phenom II X3 720 BE = 150 US
MSI K9A2-CF = 90 US
2 x 2 GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR2-1066 = 65 US
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD4850 = 120 US
Net total = 425 US
Max 3DMark06 score achieved = 14640
All prices quoted from Amazon...rounded off to the nearest dollar.
Of course, these costs will differ significantly when you add other things
like case, PSU, HDDs, HSF, etc, but you get the general trend here.
You get what you pay for.
Still, the AMD plaform is a killer deal. I'll drop the 4870 into the test rig
to see what the result would be. Might not be far off.
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So basically using a VERY crude method of finding bang for buck (3DMark/Cost in USD) we get:
Core i7: 24.41
C2Q: 24.59
X3 720: 34.45
Still, the AMD plaform is a killer deal. I'll drop the 4870 into the test rig
to see what the result would be. Might not be far off.
Yuh think?
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As per W1nTry's request, here's a 3-loop run of 3DMark06...
(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9108/screen23062009183230.th.jpg) (http://img15.imageshack.us/i/screen23062009183230.jpg/)
A healthy difference of 354 points...less. I guess this can be deemed 'more accurate'? :)
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hmmmm less eh?
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very interesting
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I tried that small bump in bClk, and thought it was stable, until I happened to spy the
actual CPU speed during the testing. Observe...
(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6953/screen24062009173430y.th.jpg) (http://img504.imageshack.us/i/screen24062009173430y.jpg/)
Looks normal enough, but check this screenie I took during the test...
(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7586/screen24062009172847.th.jpg) (http://img504.imageshack.us/i/screen24062009172847.jpg/)
+1 to the first one to explain whats happening there.
I won't talk about the 3DMark06 results. Captain Awesome betta reckonize. :happy0203:
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LOL. Yes, I recognised. Hail to the king bla bla bla. Cocaine is a helluva drug.
Linx normally causes that. The bclk seems to drop to 20 under extreme pressure.
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Its a 'new' day...
New OS, new drivers, new 1600 MHz Dominators (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/862/1/), and so, a new benchmark run was in order.
(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6692/capture10102009121847am.th.jpg) (http://img8.imageshack.us/i/capture10102009121847am.jpg/)
The proof is in the pudding...so now I can officially lay Vista to rest. The ride wasn't always fun, but it was always eventful.
Thank you M$, for taking the Vista backlash in stride, and giving us this wonderful OS a lot quicker than you originally intended.
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Nice score!!!!
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http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7540/capture17102009104704am.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7540/capture17102009104704am.jpg)
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...*- _ -* ah hope you could see dis cut eye properly thru de internets...an hear de hard watery steups....
buh 4am doh? lolz
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Ahhh boy, yuh finally drop it on we eh?
I think it will take a few days for the message to soak through to the GATT masses.
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Well, my subtle clues were only fully grasped by the most techiest of GATTers.
That pic should provide some more info. :)
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lol call me sherlock..lol
congrats on a wonderful end of year arc, and from watching that pic, that score looking like it could go higherz! lol
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5800 series hmmmmmm........
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Yep...
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_paqt-nH_A3U/SzlqGu0IHJI/AAAAAAAAAWY/SFxoxg1ZqBg/s800/28122009116.jpg)
Sapphire Radeon HD5850 (http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graphics-100282SR/dp/B002R5AB8W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1262054368&sr=8-1) to be exact.
Critics say: '...it badd.' :lol:
Can you say: 'Crysis @ 1680 x 1050, all settings on 'Very High', and 2 x AA' three times fast. I can't, but so what, when I'm
getting 55-60+ fps. Doh talk for when AA is turned off. We talkin fps numbers in the 70s.
...and I cannot describe to you (in words) just how pretty DiRT 2 looks in full DX11 mode...
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_paqt-nH_A3U/SzluyhgPPtI/AAAAAAAAAXQ/9_-3zKOGEa4/s800/dirt2_game%202009-12-26%2023-26-51-78.jpg)
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_paqt-nH_A3U/SzlvVt8x22I/AAAAAAAAAXc/XEqM8llqy70/s800/dirt2_game%202009-12-26%2023-21-30-96.jpg)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_paqt-nH_A3U/Szlv2H3g6kI/AAAAAAAAAX4/IgJQ73pFDY8/s800/dirt2_game%202009-12-26%2023-37-20-61.jpg)
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_paqt-nH_A3U/SzlweruE9nI/AAAAAAAAAYU/ny4PEETQr88/s800/dirt2_game%202009-12-26%2023-52-47-90.jpg)
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_paqt-nH_A3U/SzlylMYa2gI/AAAAAAAAAZI/JPhcS3-4si0/s800/dirt2_game%202009-12-28%2023-05-29-64.jpg)
Those are actual sceenies I made with FRAPs.
Yeah..'Ultra' settings...and 8 x AA...and it runs at an absolutely dreamy 60+ fps.
Where the HD4870X2 would actually be struggling...these babies are singin.
Man...I cannot WAIT to see the DX11 effects in Battlefield: Bad Company 2.
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how's the temps are they cooler than the 48 series u had ? and do a score bench na lewwe see how high can those chics go !...
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You barstard.....you and cap.....looks sweet though!!! lol
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you and cap insane oui, but damn dirt 2 looking amazing.
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Hot tip, Arc. You've actually plugged in your second card in the electrical x4, x16 slot.
The lowest x16 slot is the 2nd electrical x16 slot. Put it there and you'll get way higher numbers.
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What i'm interested to see is how well they FOLD!!! ARC hit we some numbers FOLD SOME B1TCH!
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according to the ppl already folding with them still no dice they fold about as well as a 4870
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Yeah..'Ultra' settings...and 8 x AA...and it runs at an absolutely dreamy 60+ fps.
Where the HD4870X2 would actually be struggling
Dammmnnn 8x AA 60 + fps .... waw!!! thats :awesome:
u have me looking fwd to dx 11 games nowww w/ a 5xxx card!!
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http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7540/capture17102009104704am.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7540/capture17102009104704am.jpg)
Killer!, at this rate i will soon be last in the rankings! :happy0203:
Congrats man, wicked score!, how them stock coolers behaving on them cards?
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Looks like is time to upgrade for the new year.... *snicker*
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Looks like is time to upgrade for the new year.... *snicker*
Indeed, once some cash is in order, time to upgrade my little beast at home as well...now I'm in the lower regions of the Top 20 benchies...
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I think i need a second or third job to get some parts.....
Nice cards / great score!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Arc, check yuh PM...
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aye aye wah kinda below de table business is dat O.o
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Wham, you wanna know what I cooking up or what? Hold on, just a little longer...
I hope
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Hot tip, Arc. You've actually plugged in your second card in the electrical x4, x16 slot.
The lowest x16 slot is the 2nd electrical x16 slot. Put it there and you'll get way higher numbers.
Tried it, but now I'm sure I had it right the first time.
Performance dropped by half almost across the board, especially in DiRT 2 where the max achievable fps dropped to 35.
Of course, you KNOW I had to put the 2nd card right back in that 2nd slot....and confirmed via another quick race that
the performance is back where it should be. Right at that 60 fps mark.
Cap, all the reviews say that 2nd slot is the proper X16 slot for CrossfireX.
It was good to test out the theory though.
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Wow, same exact board, very different results.
Im stumped. Not too sure that to make of that.
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same board, diff revision maybe?
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Horror of horrors. My venerable Cooler Master Real Power Pro 850W PSU has 'failed'.
After the usual nightly Battlefield run, I decided to install my newest acquisition, the
NZXT USB expansion I got earlier in the week. Installation went off without a hitch,
tucked away all errant cables, closed up cased and pressed the power button.....
...and nothing happened. Mobo LEDs came on, all chassis fans came on, but no boot.
The first thing that struck me was that the memory fan, and the CPU fans did not come on,
so I went through the usual routine of checking all connections. I even took both
GPUs out, and cleared the CMOS for good measure...still nothing.
As a last resort, I pulled and reseated both mobo power connectors (24-pin and 8-pin),
and it booted. YAY. However, as soon as I shifted the PC back into its corner, same problem.
I pulled the 24-pin power connector again, and then spied the culprit. The two yellow pins
closest to pin 24 were completely burnt and the plastic housing melted. So the problem
only reared its ugly head when I physically moved the PC.
So now, my dilemma is two-faced. I will most certainly have to replace the PSU, but will I have to replace the mobo as well?
I noticed that the corresponding pin headers on the mobo connector turned brown from the heat. The thing is...until i moved the PC, everything was working fine. Apparently, the problem may have been caused by bad electrical contact, which was then exacerbated by serious current load on those wires from power hungry GPUs, which, as it turns out, are the main 12V wires.
So now, I need a PSU that's at least 850W...preferably 900-1000W.
Can anyone point me in the direction of such a 1337 PSU?
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wowzors @ that comedy of errors :(
sorry to hear that mengz
so the cooler completely sorted too?
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Wait nuh. When this happen?
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Right after he finish play game last night.
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So Arcman is down on the battlefield and needs a Medic to revive his PSU....Woody? LOL So does this mean Arcman shall be gracing the Live crew tonight? :P
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Wait nuh. When this happen?
Man...RIGHT after I finish talk on Mumble and shut down...around midnight.
So Arcman is down on the battlefield and needs a Medic to revive his PSU....Woody? LOL So does this mean Arcman shall be gracing the Live crew tonight? :P
Hmmm...I just might.
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Wow. That happened to your x58? That sucks. The last time that happened to me was with my Asus 570sli board and Seasonic PSU.
Instead of the 24 pin connector getting scorched, though, it was the 12volt CPU rail.
Luckily both the psu and board were still working. Last time my 750w corsair died it didn't take anything with it. I'd recommend the corsair hx850 as it is has one of the best reviews from one of the best sites around.
Check my benchie thred for more details. Besides it powers my system which is almost identical to yours.
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you're kidding? Well look how I not buy that internal usb expansion header again.
Can't take chances with my battlefield rig nuh.
The psu awesome recommending looking good.
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-CMPSU-850HX-Professional-Certified-compatible/dp/B0029F21LA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1271434579&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-CMPSU-850HX-Professional-Certified-compatible/dp/B0029F21LA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1271434579&sr=8-1)
5 stars. Can't go wrong.
I find it hard to spend over US$100.00 on a PSU but then again, my system's requirements are very shy from that of Arc and Awesome's.
lol @ man down and woody coming to revive.
I still don't understand how woodyear top scoring veterans in the game. Man score always out of control.
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i second captain awesome and bago recommendation of the hx850.. or if you wanna "future proof" look into mine... the hx1000
and yes their systems definitely require spending more than $100
just pray you dont have to replace the board.. that would suck hard
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p.s. and the fact that it shorted when you shifted could mean a deeper underlying issue eh.. so check everything in your case again, even what might look simple... if its good..
the spike may not be related to the psu itself... something could have shorted elsewhere during the move... and if it shorts with a simple move.. then you should look into it (i doubt u was banging up the rig)
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Sorry to hear that man, reminds me that I need to get myself some backup gear later this year yes.....
*glares at gpu and psu*
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Speaking of which, when I get home I think ill make sure all power connections are tight on the modular cables to pre-empt any possible issues.
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Arc dude, fix that POS and get back in and FAST :D
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TriniWyatt...I'm pretty sure the installation of the USB expansion didn't cause it.
Based on the looks of things...this burnout happened quite a while ago. You can usually look at electrical burn marks and tell if they're recent or not. A piece of the plastic shrouding the pin actually came off in my hand like it was brittle.
I'm willing to hazard a guess that it happened during some rather vicious OC'ing sessions where
I may have applied too much voltage to my 5850s. I shall not be proceeding down THAT particular road again. :(
On a lighter note...I called Circuit Zone, and they have this Cooler Master Silent Pro M1000 (http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=6628) for $1528.00
Luckily, I can afford it (this time) and shall waste no time in procuring it. I know it will cost less
overall than buying/shipping the Corsair. Not to mention, I get a 1-year warranty. Win. :happy0203:
PSU upgrade immc by force.
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you're kidding? Well look how I not buy that internal usb expansion header again.
Thank you Arc for you own confidence in the USB expansion. I just had to call Wyatt to allay his fears. i just successfully and uneventfully installed mine in my PC.
Arc, I hope you get that new PSU soon, which reminds me yet again to RMA my 1000W Ultra....
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hmmm @ upgrade by force. I was there.
Not a bad psu, same price as my 850. Interesting.
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Not a bad psu, same price as my 850. Interesting.
you pay for quality to doh
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Arc - man sry to hear abt the PSU
hope the MB isn't affected thas reall rough tho
allyuh have me wondering abt my TX750
then again mine not under much stress me thinks :lol:
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Back online. Installation of the new PSU was a breeze. Modular PSUs are real nice. :)
So now I have 1000W OF B.O. BLOCKING POWERRRRRRRRRRR!!! ROFL
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ive seen all sorts of PSU burnt, from the no-name codogen brands , to thermaltake, to coolermaster.
One brand dat never fail me is PC Power & Cooling, i have a 420W in a machine rel long now, and dat thing outpwerforming other 550W psu, myself and isme2003 has owned a 750W PC Power for years, which currently pushing we old machine, for years, overstressed and over used, never had an issue, and now im on pc power 1.2kw. For cheap midrange builds, i go corsair, they use the same oem (seasonic) as pc power, so they are the only other psu i trust. and from years of building rigs, a PC Power psu NEVERRRRRRRRRRR spoil on me, only started with corsiar a few years back, so dat has some time to live up to their standards, but so far so good, phoenix uses enermax and seems to be good also, but ill recomend PC Power to men who want good powerful shit, and Corsair for d men dat cant afford PC Power, dont buy d Orange branded corsair doh, different oem, Yellow and Blue branded is what yuh want. Reserach ppl RESEARCH!
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should post that info in the PSU sub forum for mens info please Messiaah
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Back online. Installation of the new PSU was a breeze. Modular PSUs are real nice. :)
So now I have 1000W OF B.O. BLOCKING POWERRRRRRRRRRR!!! ROFL
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/403597/1000w.png)
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POWEERRRRRRR!!
Old Spice | Zoom :30 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q2OlqsknXI#ws)
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AHAHAHAHAHA!!! EXACTLY!! :laughing7:
was lookin for a pic, but you beat me to it.
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POWEERRRRRRR!!
Old Spice | Zoom :30 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q2OlqsknXI#ws)
brahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. EPIC
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lawd... i real lookin like ah need some ah dat Wattage im meh pc lolz...
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So...until I find another mobo at this price point ($200 US), I think this will be my next upgrade at year's end (funds permitting of course :))...
Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R (http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3449#ov)
(http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/_201001/20100105010109_ud3.jpg)
Gulftown support, USB 3.0, better RAM compatibility, hardware-level Dolby decoding, and a layout to die for What's not to like?
In other words: superior in every way to my current MSI X58-Pro.
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I think ill hold out for the next chipset for two reasons.
1) 6 months is too early in advance to plan a mb upgrade, especially when a new chipset could be announced at any time.
2) X58, even with its 'stick on' usb3 and sata3 support is now long in the tooth and dying for a generation jump as it is.
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I may not have a choice, due to the problem I discovered with my mobo/PSU recently.
Hopefully my current one doesn't crap out before I'm able to replace it. I might not even have the luxury of waiting on a new chipset.
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/me eyes thread like a hawk
(http://eyemakeart.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/hawk_eye.jpg)
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Loll or right Arc I forgot about that. Indeed u may have to get one a lot sooner than year end in light of that.
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i agree... if ur current mobo dont cap out... stick with it..
but have you been seeing any side effects of the psu issue thus far? (random crashes... smoke? anything? lol)
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Another month, another driver release, another bench...
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8126/capture29052010143107.th.jpg) (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/capture29052010143107.jpg/)
HUGE improvement over my previous score of 22843 (http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4374/capture07012010002808.jpg).
I'd like to thank the ATI driver team for stellar work with Catalyst 10.5.
I shall do some game tests later to test the uberness of these new drivers.
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man bigging up ati drivers
wda de world coming to
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lmao... allyuh is real kicks yes... i eh go lie...
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So I went ahead and 'upgraded' ALL my case fans (except the top 200 mm one) with Cooler Master Y720DCD-25T1-GP.
Got 5 of em on sale from Silicon Valley Compucycle (http://www.svc.com/y720dcd-25t1-gp.html).
Also took the opportunity to fling een a cold-cathode light.
(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4381/dsc00093aa.jpg)
(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/60/dsc00096yx.jpg)
I'll add a front shot tonight.
These fans move 110 CFM of air at full blast, and are WAY quiter than the original Antec Tricool that the case comes with.
Not to mention prettier. :)
Noticed a 4 degree drop in CPU and IOH (Northbridge) temps off the bat too.
Win.
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how noisy? and do u run them full blast right thru?
i'd gotten some silverstone everflows awhile back they put out alot of air but they kinda noisy... they ugly too being white.. but they were really cheap...
of course i scopsin out parts for d new rig from all now
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Ah Arc I see you got the fans to work, pretty aint they? lol
phoenix, the fans on normal speed are not noisy at all, they're more like whisper quiet. Cranking them up to full speed is when you hear them start sounding like little blow dryers. As Arc said they do 110 CFM at max speed but they are literally silent at "normal" speed.
They each come with a pci slot fan controller AND each gets a 3.5mm plate if you want to mount one infront of your case or you can just hook them up to like a 4 knob 3.5mm fan plate at the front.
Since they already came with their own controllers and I have plenty free space I just used the pci slots. Hadda be some of the best fans I bought so far if not the best in terms of options/value and ofcourse beauty lol. They're dual ball bearing and not sleeve bearing fans so even more niceness..
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i like the pci slot controller option... and for the price hmm..
mine only came with the 3.5" plate for mounting in front.. needless to say.. i hadda ratch that
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Can't go wrong with these fans then...and they on sale, so move fast.
I run em at full blast...but then, my PC is no longer on 24/7. T&TEC has seen to that. :(
Stil...at full blast, they still not as loud as the stock Antec fans,so thats an additional bonus for me.
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looking good man...
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Beautiful stuff, Arc...
If only i could squeeze the funds to go core i7... with water cooling...
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"cool" fans arc and blue leds add a nice touch :)
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Got the Silver Arrow today...
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6994/tsal.jpg)
My GOD its big. I put it next to a cellphone to get a sense of scale.
Methinks there are going to be clearance issues. :(
Of course motherboard will have to come out (for installation), so is weekend for that.
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your lack of lasco fannage is disturbing
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Look at the size of that mofo. Maybe i'll bite when I upgrade from my now venerable i7 and Core Contact Freezer cooler.
T'will be interesting to see the numbers, that monster vs your current.
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HOLY SHEEEET.... and i thought my Tuniq wuz huge ..... :lol:
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Goodluck fitting that HUGE thing in your case......looks kool though lol
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OK...so I couldn't wait till weekend...
(http://a.imageshack.us/img148/6597/dsc00136dz.jpg)
(http://a.imageshack.us/img375/2876/dsc00137d.jpg)
(http://a.imageshack.us/img441/8875/dsc00138b.jpg)
(http://a.imageshack.us/img808/1899/dsc00139f.jpg)
(http://a.imageshack.us/img268/8435/dsc00140tb.jpg)
The installation of the heatsink itself was surprisingly straightforward, and rather easy,
but this thing is so BIG that I had to take off the rear fan so that I could reach the CPU
8-pin connector and the motherboard screw close to that position, and then re-attach the fan
when the heatsink was secured. Of course, in typical Thermalright fashion, that fan was an
absolute PAIN IN THE ASS to re-attach once the heatsink is in the case. Memories of the Ultra-120 Extreme
installation suddenly came flooding back. :(
Notice the overhang of the 1st RAM slot? Yeah...that pretty much denies the use of more Corsairs.
So if I ever want to upgrade to 12GB, I have to get all new normal-height RAM. Bummer, but no biggie.
...but it was all worth it. Idle temps are about 4 degrees cooler than the Noctua NH-U12P, but where this
HSF really shines is the load temps. Preliminary tests indicate that load temps are a full TEN DEGREES COOLER!!! :awesome:
...and thats not at stock. The CPU is OC'ed to a modest 3 GHz. I shall do some more testing at 4 GHz after a few days,
when the TIM should have 'cured' enough.
So far...I'm VERY impressed. Cooling efficiency is head and shoulders above the Noctua NH-U12P.
Thermalright take back the crown for real yes. :happy0203:
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That thing almost the friggin width of the Mobo wda boy arc lol
Well it had better cool things down alot easier cause that is one mother of a hsf :ko:
Looks good :ph34r:
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Im still trying to wrap my head around how big that damn thing is. Impressive @ 10deg shave. What you use to load the cores? Lemme see how mine stack up.
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I used a brisk 5-run session of LinX 0.58. You done know how LinX have no respect for CPUs and HSFs.
At 3 GHz, idle temp is 34C, and load temp is 55C.
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Holy crap. by comparison, my cpu is at 3.5, 79degrees load temp!!!
Though my cpu seems to need a bit more juice than yours, thats bloody impressive!
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wtf arc,that thing looks like its cooling a nuclear reactor,lol
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boy arcman that cooler is de shiz nit!
im stuckin deciding between this and the h70 from corsair :(
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I say get the H70 if space is an issue. The main reason I decided to get this was because I knew it would fit in the case. Anything less than a full tower, and is problems.
Thing is though, I think this cooler actually does a lil better than the H70, especially at load temps, where it matters most. The obvious caveat is the bloody size of the thing. The difference is about 2 or 3 degrees at the absolute upper limits, and CPU speeds over 4 GHz, so if you not running a 24/7 overclock at that speed, the H70 might be a better bet.
...but keep in mind the H70 a lil more expensive (but I think you already knew that :)).
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yeh dread.... i see that already..
well the h70 with 2 real high flow fans shud de real decent..the fans dey test it at sent 65cfm through the fins push and pull
with 2 silverstone 110cfm.. i think i can make it cool better.. and with the 3 180mm fans in the silverstone raven02... has to pull in fresh air... i think i stand a chance to make my i7 9#0 clock where i want it...
i have more than enough space for the silver arrow on the classified board was well..and its gonna be far from my gtx 4#0 cards..
i think the silver arrow has it over the h70 at 4.0ghz by 4-6 degrees on load right?
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Well I tell you...Thermalright has really crafted a monster of a HSF here yes.
Consider this test I did last year at 4 GHz...
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4825/screen27052009153156.th.jpg) (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/screen27052009153156.jpg/)
Take special note of the max temps, and the CPU idle temp (red icon in systray). LinX takes its temp readings from
Everest, and records the temp of the hottest core (usually core 0).
Now take a gander at this test I did just now...
(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/2130/capture10092010155928.th.jpg) (http://img841.imageshack.us/i/capture10092010155928.jpg/)
Yeah...just about 10 degrees difference all round. That is a TREMENDOUS improvement...especially at 4 GHz.
To say that I'm impressed is putting it mildly. The Noctua NH-U12P HSF is an impressive HSF in its own right,
but these new results have me going 'gad-DAMNNNN'. :lol:
Arcmanov Approved. :icon_thumleft:
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So what, you gonna keep stroking that thing or are you gonna come and sweat some game?
But seriouslt, GG that thing is friggin huge. I may very well consider getting one of those closed loop no maintenance water cooling setups next rounds yes. The size of dem ting getting redic.
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HEy Arcmanov, oh goshhh let me catch up to you nahhhh..... :happy0203: :bother:
your :ph34r:
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Yeah...so I went ahead and got TWO of these muhfuggas (http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-R4-LUS-07AR-GP-MegaFlow-200mm/dp/B002LE8BJA) for the top of the HAF-X...
(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/130/cm1z.jpg)
Cooler Master Mega Flow 200mm (http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=6474) (R4-LUS-07AR-GP).
I included a 92 mm and 120 mm fan for you to get a sense of scale.
Those bad-boys can move 110 cfm of air at only 700 rpm...and the HAF-X can take two up top.
This weekend is gonna be great. :happy0203:
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u got the haf x ???
awee man
u beat me to ittttttttt
good cooling there!!!
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Rig has now moved into some brand new digs... :happy0203:
(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6868/hafb.jpg)
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2871/haf2.jpg)
This case is an absolute joy to work with. Can you believe its even roomier
than the Antec 1200? Thats no mean feat...considering the size of that muhfugga.
I am now a complete fan of tool-less drive bays. No screwdrivers required.
...AND the hot-swap bays work like a charm.
...AND overall system temps down by about 6 degrees.
Did I mention that there are WHEELS?
Man, the win just keeps on coming. :)
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w o w
Coolermaster FTW yes
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Does dat case support de ssd hdds straight up or do you have to get an adapter, I am guessing it does. But all I can say is wheys dat seriously lookin like de flick for when de parts start to fly in.
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One of the internal HDD bays is SSD-capable right off the bat, and the two hot-swap
bays have the necessary screw holes, so using a SSD is a piece of cake.
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come on arc
u deserve this here:
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:mR5UvU2MGauYhM:http://www.phatpimpclothing.com/hi/phatpimp/images/exballerpendent.gif&t=1)
add me on msn lets discuss some tings..
check PM
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sweet case hoss !! damn... coolermaster does it again !
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jus cant help but love that HAF X
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The build just keeps getting better!!!!
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quick question..
prob it can benefit us here to
how much did it cost u to bring in a case like that??
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The case itself was $200 US. Luckily, the 3rd-party seller I got it from (GizmosForLife)
offered free standard shipping to Miami.
Ezone's charges however, went like this:
Shipping: $710.40 TT (37 lbs @ $3.00 US/lb)
Insurance: $6.40 TT
VAT: $225.00
A grand total of $2221.80 TT.
I catered for about $2300 TT in all, but still, this arbitrary-application-of-VAT foolishness has really
got to stop. Somebody in Ezone, or Customs, needs to make up their f@#king minds which items
incur VAT charges and which do not. I am fed up of the guessing-game. Its not like I'm bringing
in something new each time. Its the same old shit I've brought for years.
Yeah...apparently VAT is applied to cases now. :( Who knew?
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WTF
dang
still
i find u got it for a reasonable price!
it eh rdy for my raven tho
*humf*
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Pros:
- Great cooling potential
- Innovative layout
- Distinctive styling
- Sliding front door with auto close
- Hot Swap Bay included
Cons:
- Only 1 Hot Swap Bay included
- Only 2 USB ports on front, no e-SATA
- Not a tool-less installation process (except for 5.25 bays)
- VGA to DVI adapters can not be used
- Extreme Chassis deserve extreme accessories (Only two cable ties???)
- Looks not for everyone (or even most people)
- Way too much plastic
- Price
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/14389-silverstone-rv01-raven-case-review-12.html (http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/14389-silverstone-rv01-raven-case-review-12.html)
I'll have the successor to my Haf 932 over the Raven any day. It's a decent case, but not decent enough XD
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Strong Points
* Innovative design where the motherboard is rotated 90º so the rear part of the motherboard is available on the top of the case, improving thermal management and also making it easier to install and remove cables from the PC.
* Top-notch quality.
* Individual speed controllers for the three internal fans accessible from the top panel.
* Dust filters for the internal fans and for the power supply fan.
* Anti-vibration mechanisms for the hard disk drives.
* Support for one 2.5” disk drive.
* Far better priced that Raven RV01, providing a good cost/benefit ratio for the enthusiast user.
Weak Points
* With only three hard disk drive bays this case may not please the high-end enthusiast with lots of hard disk drives.
* Top 5 ¼” bay doesn’t come with a screwless retention mechanism.
* Could have four USB ports.
* Could have one eSATA port.
* Could have come with black thumbscrews for fastening daughter boards.
* Could have come with black slot covers for a better aesthetics.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/SilverStone-Raven-RV02-Case-Review/789/7 (http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/SilverStone-Raven-RV02-Case-Review/789/7)
Still would go with Haf X
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notice how the cons never spoke about its coolin being one...
yeh i guess everyone to their own
but remember
i have 3 180mm fans blow air upwards across the entire case..
so thats cool air against ALL the components
under high OC my 480s blow warm air... and my case temp never gets more than 34c
even doomtack was shocked and he has a HAF 922 with high speed fans in every corner.. i even tested it without my AC on for even playing fields and i got no more than 5c across everything temp..
cpu
system
videocard
but like i told arc
the haf x is still my dream case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If money was no object, that Obsidian would be mineee.
Sadly, I wont spend the kind of money you all do on cases. Much rather stick with my antec 900 and run a few degrees hotter.
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...but its interesting that all the cons on the RV-02 have been addressed by CM on the HAF-X eh. :)
- more than three drive bays? check
- tool-less retention on all drive bays? check
- four USB ports up front? check
- eSATA port up front? check
- black thumbscrews for everything? check
- black slot covers? check
You get what you pay for. The price of the Raven RV-02 (http://www.amazon.com/SILVERSTONE-RV02B-W-Steel-Tower-Computer/dp/B002M78KZG/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1285702136&sr=8-1-fkmr1) is considerably less than the HAF-X (http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-HAF-extended-FireWire/dp/B003S68Q0Y/ref=sr_1_1?s=gateway&ie=UTF8&qid=1285702235&sr=8-1).
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Some night shots with newly installed cold-cathode lights. :)
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5563/dsc00220d.jpg)
(http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/8308/dsc00221h.jpg)
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5930/dsc00222p.jpg)
(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/8313/dsc00223ig.jpg)
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2020/dsc00229cw.jpg)
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/840/dsc00230ee.jpg)
Not sure why some of the images came out so blurry...but you get the idea.
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I saw the top view and could only think.. Protoss mothership?? XD
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looks real nice man.. REAL bess!!
u eh check me for the cathodes....
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very nice
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It seems MSI has finally got their act together and released a mobo thats
actually superior to that Gigabyte (http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3449#ov) that I've been eyeing since May...
MSI X58A-GD65 (http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=170&prod_no=2026)
(http://pdfguides.com/images/uploads/MSI-X58A-GD65-Mainboard-Front.jpg)
(http://eu.msi.com/uploads/5_pictures/five_pictures4_20100622171930_m.jpg)
Slightly better layout than the Gigabyte, so I can still use one PCI/PCI-E slot even if I have
two GPUs installed.
No more unnecessary legacy connectors (IDE/floppy).
SATA3 6 Gb/s and USB 3.0 support.
TWO eSATA ports.
Clear CMOS button in port cluster.
SPDIF/optical output for my AX720 headset. :)
On-board Power and Rest buttons.
Heatsinks low enough not to block my Thermalright HSF.
Not to mention, a nice colour-scheme. Whats not to like?
December can't get here fast enough.
...and I may let go of my current board for 'small money', and a lil birdie
told me that a certain Core i7 CPU might be going up for sale too. :)
Could be a killer deal in the making. Stay tuned.
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What about 'other' features like Japanese Capacitors, 12 Phase power (or whatever they're up to now), 2oz copper and better cooling solutions for NB and Power Regulators? Gigabyte and Asus have all these plus those heat pipe cooling solutions for power and NB/SB.
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This board is only 8-phase power (I think) and from the pic,
it looks like all Japanese solid-state capacitors.
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that build win, whatever you guys do to get funds just to build computers I WANT IN! :P
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Good honest day's work and a passion for our hobbies. (And wives / girlfriends who tolerate it :P )
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wouldnt hurt to know ah few pipers either :)
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...and some heavy doses of overtime work here and there as well. :laughing7:
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and ah lil pico and ah lil pj here and there. :laughing7:
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OMG...this monitor rocks SO HARD it aint funny...
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2730/53855476.jpg)
Yeah, I know there's some dust there that I need to clean. Next week for that. :lol:
I tell you...1080p is the HEALING. For the first time, I can appreciate how the PS3 was
meant to be viewed. Lawd have mercy. MGS4 never looked so good. Uncharted too.
Setup was a cakewalk. Just plug in all cables, power on, and boof-baf. Showtime.
I don't have to tell you how that *ahem* 'other stuff' looks on it. Every hair is discernible. :laughing7:
Can't wait to hook up the 6870s to this bad-boy. * rubs hands *
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wait.... u now have a 1080p monitor?
U didn't before? .... with that type of rig??
/facepalm
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LOL...well I DID have a 720p monitor, an Acer, but it died on me suddenly
earlier this year. I am only now able to afford a kickass 1080p monitor worthy
of my rig's status.
Needless to say...more game will play. :happy0203:
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huh? you serious arc?
coulda swear I saw a 24" or so in your pix on that desk before.
Or did it die or something?
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Nah, that was 22-inch.
In other news...
(http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/3977/6870.jpg)
* packs down VSS * :)
Sadly, family commitments keep me from installing till Sunday.
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Yeah...so I slapped them biatches in earlier...
Stock settings
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7703/capture25122010234308.th.jpg) (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/capture25122010234308.jpg/)
Overclocked
(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6844/capture26122010003839.th.jpg) (http://img211.imageshack.us/i/capture26122010003839.jpg/)
Quite an improvement from the 5850s (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/capture29052010143107.jpg/), no? :)
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Decided to take a 'stab' at 3DMark 11 as well...
(http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5536/capture26122010014727.th.jpg) (http://img251.imageshack.us/i/capture26122010014727.jpg/)
I guess its about time we commission the official 3DMark 11 benchmark thread? :)
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So I recently acquired two 80GB Western Digital Velociraptor (WD800HLFS) hard-drives...
(http://www.fast-autos.net/diecast-cars-models/diecast-car-image-large/wd-wd800hlfs-velociraptor-10k-80gb-sata-300-raptor-hdd_220692439606.jpg)
...and I am considering migrating my current OS installation to these drives in a RAID-0 setup.
I would really like to experiment with the real-world advantages with RAID-0. Them SSDs still
a little to pricey for my taste.
My question is: Is it possible to migrate an already installed OS from a single drive to a RAID-0 array?
If so, what's the quickest and easiest way to do this, with minimum headache?
* does more research *
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Just create a windows system image and proceed as normal.
Basically, the OS will see the raid array as a single logical partition. The most you'll have to do is provide a driver for the raid controller when its time to restore so that the os could pick it up.
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OK, I understand RAID-0, and its workings, but Windows 7 has a 'system reserved'
partition that is created when you install. Will this partition successfully migrate to
the array when you restore?
Hmmm...
Just remembered, I'll have to make some extra space for the extra drive too. (Not really an issue)
Serious experimentation immc later. :)
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That space should be automatically re-created once the re-image is complete.
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I feel YOU hadda come by me and do it yes. :laughing7:
I'm kidding...I've never used RAID...at all (except in work), so this will
really be a wonderful little project for me to introduce myself to the
trials and tribulations of it...and learn a little something along the way.
Lets see if it's all it's cracked up to be.
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I myself have played with all manner of server controllers but never a desktop one.
If you know server though, desktop should be a walk in the park.
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Captain Awesome, we shall train him the ways of RAID and let him rejoice therafter...
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Say NO to RAID-0
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lol @ no to raid 0.
I fully agree...when you talking about production environments where data loss/downtime is to be minimal.
In the case of a home machine where os/app performance is the main requirement, raid0 ftw.
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lol @ no to raid 0.
I fully agree...when you talking about production environments where data loss/downtime is to be minimal.
In the case of a home machine where os/app performance is the main requirement, raid0 ftw.
The reason I say NO to Raid 0 is because a long time ago I did exactly that, Raid-0 for 'performance' on my then new system. Asus mobo, Athlon XP, Radeon 9800XT, good stuff... guess what? the mobo died and I lost everything, cause RAID-0 ain't generally friendly across mobos... also at the time there was a long discussion between myself and one of the GATT guru's of the time (I believe it was Beomagi) about the negligible difference in performance. And to be honest, looking back there isn't Much difference unless you do mass moves of large contigous blocks of data... SSDs on the other hand benefit GREATLY from RAID. So even with RAptors capn, I still say NO to RAID-0
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I see nothing wrong with RAID-0.
You all know I have two threads on RAID-0 and in both cases I had a 'standalone' 3rd drive for backups to compensate for the data loss scenario.
I really not seeing what the fuss is here, especially when you getting a 500GB for about $450 locally.
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I running Raid0 for OS/Games and Raid5 For data for ah while now.
I recently migrated from Raid0 300GB Raptors to Raid0 3*40GB SSD.
Acronis (http://www.acronis.com/) FTW, arcman check it out, acronis is a life saver.
And when it comes to booting ur machine, and loading levels in games, etc etc etc, and general use of d machine, i does see ah significant increase in performance using raid-0, and like saxman say, yuh have something else for storage/backup, nothing important shud be on your raid 0, i coudl come home any day, and click d format button, (Redirected MyDocs/Desktop/Pics/Favs etc). So if my Raid0 goes foobar today, i back up and runing with eveyrthing before d day is done.
And d jump to SSD was sweet, my netbook spoil meh, so had to do it for desktop, and i cant see myself going back.
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A dedicated RAID card is another matter altogether. If you're gonna do it, do it right, I could condone RAID-0 on a card vs. software/onboard.
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i use a dedicated raid card for my raid 5, that way if my mobo goes foobar, my data safe. But for OS use i juss use d onboard, since i dont care if my OS and Games goes foobar, cuase all d important stuff on my storage array.
So i have
3*40GB SSD -> Mobo
2*300GB VelociRaptor -> Mobo
4*750GB 7200rpm WD -> Areca Raid Controller
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Well, well, well...
Unfortunately, I'm sorry to report that the experience has been nothing short of harrowing.
Oh, the backup/restore part went quite smoothly. Windows Restore detected the RAID volume
quite easily. I was pleasantly surprised by that. The drama started when it was time to boot Windows.
I spent the better part of SEVEN HOURS trying to get Windows to boot from that RAID volume.
Windows would attempt to load...then BAM!!! BSOD immc. I then tried every backup/restore
app, utility, and technique known to man, and they all produced the same result.
As I think back now, I remember that the mobo pdf DID advise against migrating an existing
installation to the array, but I was like 'damn the torpedoes' and steamed on anyway.
At about 4:48 am, I well and truly gave up. Ended up doing what I tried to avoid in the first place:
reinstalling Windows. Thank god I backed up all my Steam games, and other pertinent folders,
so the recovery process is a far cry from if I had to do everything from scratch again.
Lessons learned the hard way I guess.
The main lesson here? Proper backups is key.
I'll make sure and grab a copy of the latest Acronis. Too bad I don't have an identical machine to test
out the 'Universal Restore' option. :(
Of course, the upside to all this, is that my system is now faster than a pack of hungry cheetahs.
Power on to desktop takes 45 seconds, and program install time has been reduced to a fraction
of what it was before. MS Office 2010 literally installed in about 6 minutes. That one shocked me.
Windows installation was about 18 minutes from booting flash drive...to initial desktop. Niceness.
...and the WEI index jumped to a healthy 6.2. Up from 5.5...
(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/8213/capture04012011221855.jpg)
You know what they say: 'experience is a muthaf@#ka' :laughing7:
Stay tuned for the next episode, of 'Arcmanov's rig evolves...'
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OK, so I obtained the Acronis, and installed it. Then I created a restore disk.
I was pleasantly surprised to discover that you can use the restore disk to
recover from Windows 7 system images as well, and it came in handy today,
because the HDD (C: drive too) in my download PC failed... :(...yeah, jus so.
As luck would have it, I made a system backup of that drive last week.
It was a simple process of booting from the Acronis rescue disk (which I
created on USB), choosing the Windows 7 image, then destination drive,
and boof baf. PC back online in about 25 mins.
...and this is after I tried the Windows 7 image restore.
Let me save everyone the trouble right now and say it....
The built-in backup/restore in Windows 7 is downright ATROCIOUS,
and should be avoided at ALL costs. It is VERY fussy about restores.
It seems that you cannot restore to a smaller drive, even though your backed-up
data might be smaller in total than the drive you're restoring to. Absolute rubbish.
Acronis True Image Home is de healing. When a 3rd party app can do the job better
than Windows' own built-in utility, AND with its OWN IMAGE, then you know said
utility is to be left alone.
Yeah...if i had four hands, I'd give Windows 7 backup restore FOUR THUMBS DOWN!!! :(
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Couple times I used built in image backup it didnt give me any problems, then again I was always backing up and restoring to and from the same drive. Boot win7 disk ad restore.
The one stupid thing I found is that the image HAS to reside on the root of the drive that holds the backup image otherwise windows does not see it.
For all my other heavy duty imaging needs I normally use Norton Ghost but Arc that glowing recommendation cannot be ignored.
For my main PC though, it just feels better to me to do a fresh install after a crash. No technical reason i dont use images on it just is my personal quirk.
For server though I at least have a software mirror on two drives. Performance is definitely not as good as hardware raid but I found it is easier to manage and much more tolerable to 'Murphy's Law' type events.
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Remember that Acer AL2216W LCD that failed on me a while back?
Well thanks to the power of Google and ebay, I'm happy to report that it's back in business. :happy0203:
(http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8233/acerez.jpg)
...and I very nearly threw it away.
I have to give Saxman all the credit for persuading me to try and fix it, because I'd just about given up on it.
It turns out that this power board's (http://cgi.ebay.com/Power-DAC-19M010-BF-Without-Audio-Acer-AL2216W-/250767903756?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a62ee8c0c) failed capacitors were the culprit.
Simply changing that board resolved the 'not powering on' problem.
Maybe, you might have a LCD sitting in a corner with a similar issue, you never know, a replacement part
like this just might get it running again.
So now I have a great secondary monitor. :happy0203:
Thanks again Sax.
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Arc, I sent you an email regarding a monitor, hit me up.
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Nice work there Arc and Sax. How hard was it to replace though?
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Yeah I would like to know also how hard it was. Did it involve soldering?
Also I remember back in the day of CRTs I was always warned never to open because they stored enough current to knock out or possibly kill a person. Is this true and if so does it apply to LCDs as well?
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ooo good info. gotta hit up sax oui
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Also I remember back in the day of CRTs I was always warned never to open because they stored enough current to knock out or possibly kill a person. Is this true and if so does it apply to LCDs as well?
That is true with regards to CRT displays - usually had voltages averaging around 25kV. Definitely not something to joke around with. You should know how to discharge them before working with a CRT's innards.
With that said, I'm not sure what specific voltage levels are present in LCDs, but I will wager that it will be MUCH less. That's due to the difference in technologies implemented to generate the image. (CRTs used such a high level of voltage due to the use of electron guns. LCDs don't have those guns present.)
In any case, still take all precautions to make sure you don't electrocute yourself.
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Not hard to replace at all, I just took off the back cover, disconnected the backlight cables,
removed the power board cover, removed the screws for the board itself, and just lifted it out.
The new board just slotted right in, cables and screws back in, back cover replaced and boof baf. Showtime.
...and LCDs don't operate with anywhere near the voltages that CRTs did, and the components
wouldn't hold charge like that anyway, so there's nothing to worry about when dismantling a LCD.
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I'm inclined to believe that LCD's dont hold much of a charge. Not like they have transformers or big capacitors. Still, as one said it probably wont hurt to take precautions just in case.
Boom @ bess old school OS btw. Win2k was a 180 degree turn from its win 9x predecessors.
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Well...it's certainly been a WHILE since I've posted any new benchmarks.
The ol 'ARCMAN-ADVANCED' has been chugging along quite nicely ever since,
but we have new drivers, so a little update to the score was necessary...
3DMark Vantage: P28301
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/9976/capture31072011033149.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/capture31072011033149.jpg/)
3DMark11: P8310
(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/27/capture31072011042018.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/535/capture31072011042018.jpg/)
Main specs have remained unchanged since Dec 2010:
CPU: Intel Core i7 920 @ 4 GHz - (daily OC), HyperThreading off
MB: MSI X58-PRO
GPU: 2 x [XFX] Radeon HD 6870 @ 930 MHz core / 1150 MHz memory
RAM: 3 x 4 GB G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3-1333
2 x Western Digital WD800HLFS Velociraptor HDDs (80 GB)in RAID-0
2 x Western Digital WD5000AAKS-00YGA HDDs (500 GB)
1 x Seagate ST3500630AS HDD (500 GB)
Asus Xonar DX (PCIe X1) sound card
Logitech G15 gaming keyboard
Logitech G700 gaming mouse
Samsung P2770HD 27-inch 1080p multi-function monitor
Planned upgrades:
2 x [Sapphire] Radeon HD 6950(2GB) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0055Y66A4/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER)
Corsair Hydro Series H100 (http://www.corsair.com/hydro-series-h100-extreme-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler.html) all-in-one Liquid CPU cooler
The 6950 can be easily unlocked to perform at 6970 speeds, and two of these bad-boys can easily
match the performance of ONE dual-GPU 6990, for almost 200 US less. If that isn't the very definition
of bang-for-buck, I don't know what is. :)
Might not hurt to get a new motherboard as well, but with LGA-2011 right around the corner,
I'm hoping this current one will at least get me there. I really have to give MSI props here
for a pretty durable piece of kit. It's lasted through all of the OC abuse I've thrown at it,
and is still rock-solid stable to this day. :icon_thumright:
I know some of you are highly averse (elitist?) to the idea of an 'all-in-one' liquid cooling solution,
but that's my choice. I'm well aware of the pros and cons of such a kit, and I've decided it's
STILL not worth the extra hassle investing upwards of 300 US in a 'bess' custom setup.
I have NO intention of adding GPU watercooling to my rig, so the Corsair will do quite nicely.
It will allow me to free up some much-needed space around the CPU area, and I can still maintain
my 4 GHz OC without issue. Better yet, it's already 'forward-compatible' with LGA-2011,
so upgrading will really be a walk in the park. All I'll really need is the mobo and CPU.
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Arc de h100 reach on amazon at a good price to http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0051U7HMS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&m=A2NG4HB43UEDVL (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0051U7HMS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&m=A2NG4HB43UEDVL)
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so when u selling dem 6870's? =D
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Arc de h100 reach on amazon at a good price to http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0051U7HMS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&m=A2NG4HB43UEDVL (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0051U7HMS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&m=A2NG4HB43UEDVL)
Aw SHIZZLE!!! :banana:
DIAZWHAWETALKINBOUT.
It just needs to stay that price till Christmas.
As for the 6870s...they go on sale the day after the 6950s are in my system. :)
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which 6950 2 gig u looking at? Was eying those as well. But considering other options too.
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OK... so I finally took the plunge... :happy0203:
(http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/8997/capture23102011201406.jpg)
Should have it by next weekend.
I'll have to force myself to stop playing BF3 long enough to install/test. :ko:
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OK... so I finally took the plunge... :happy0203:
(http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/8997/capture23102011201406.jpg)
Should have it by next weekend.
I'll have to force myself to stop playing BF3 long enough to install/test. :ko:
AWESOMMMMEEEEEE! Lovin it! ^_^
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Nice, ah waiting to hear more about ur experience with it. Will be picking up one very soon as well.
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Boom... :happy0203:
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Installing that biatch tonight self...
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thumbs up bitch!... (in Arcmanov's voice)
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Mercy Mr. Manning, Mercy.
Mankind trying to catch up and alyuh only distancing yuhselves.
I could see the vantage leaderboard trembling in anticipation.
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Hmm.... interesting
While I will not be seeing anywhere close to a top 10 rank for a long time to come,
That water cooling is a definite option for me next year: Need room badly in my case to work around the hard drives and RAM when necessary...
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AIO Kits is usually shit compared to a real water setup.
Interested to see how far along they come with this latest one,
how well it go stand up to high end liquid cooling.
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Nice move there Arc!!!! (+)
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I don't think AIO kits are ever meant to compete with Real DIY water systems, but they are a real competitor for those big ole, heavy heatsinks.
I love the ease of use of the AIO kits. Ah waiting to hear how dat H100 getting on, cus so far, my mind already set on getting one ;P
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mine works great!!!!
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So the H100 is in...
(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/5900/dsc00702qp.jpg)
(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/3742/dsc00703ii.jpg)
Installation was a real breeze, especially in a big case like the HAF-X.
Instantly apparent is the amount of space regained.
I set the built-in fan speed controller to the highest setting, and immediately noticed an overall 5 degree drop in load temp compared to the Silver Arrow.
I was actually expecting a little worse performance, so I must say I'm pleasantly surprised. :)
Idle temps remain the same at about 36-38 C.
Load temps with the Silver Arrow usually peaked at 65-68 C (HyperThreading off) at 4 GHz, with core0 (usually the hottest core) hitting 85 C or more.
Consider the following screens...
Just after load-test start
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7938/capture28102011231441.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/80/capture28102011231441.jpg/)
After 30 mins
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/6889/capture28102011234326.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/713/capture28102011234326.jpg/)
...and after 60 mins
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5121/capture29102011001557.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/100/capture29102011001557.jpg/)
End of load-test
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4679/capture29102011001844.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/capture29102011001844.jpg/)
So I'm able to comfortably maintain my 24/7, 4 GHz overclock, at slightly lower temps too. :happy0203:
Granted, it certainly won't perform anywhere near a custom LC setup, but the real question here is: can it replace those enormous air coolers like
the Thermalright Silver Arrow, and Noctua DH-14?
The answer is an unequivocal 'YES'!!! :icon_thumright:
Cooling efficiency is right on par with the Silver Arrow, and the absence of all that metal has actually
had the bonus effect of decreasing motherboard temps from 45 C to 38 C. Win.
Another bonus, is that it's already LGA-2011 compatible, so there's no need for me to buy yet another cooler when I upgrade
to that platform next year. Even more win.
One point of note though...you have to be absolutely sure that your case can accommodate the 240 mm radiator.
It might not fit in many mid-towers. Consider that before you buy it.
As it is, I'm thoroughly satisfied with it's performance thus far, and I can fully recommend it.
(http://img.anongallery.org/img/7/8/seal-of-approval.jpg)
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impressive......most impressive
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Just finished a 1-hour test with LinX....
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2594/capture29102011090259.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/254/capture29102011090259.jpg/)
Interestingly...the max recorded temp on core0 is actually 10 C higher than what I achieved last year (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,11652.msg250461.html#msg250461) with the Silver Arrow.
It struck me as odd, because I expected the max temp to be the same or lower. After comparing settings between then and now, I think I've discovered why...
Last year, I needed 1.440 Vcore to maintain stability at 4 GHz, and now, that same stability requires 1.512 Vcore.
Of course, more Vcore means that the CPU is generating significantly more heat at full load now. Very interesting.
I can only speculate as to why this is happening.
Perhaps it is due to a steady 'degradation' of the motherboard circuitry supplying current to the CPU.
Maybe even a slight degradation of the CPU itself. Who knows? One thing is certain though,
this motherboard and CPU are real troopers. :happy0203:
I'm not worried though. I have confirmed stability, and 'normal' load temps are within acceptable parameters.
Enough testing...time to return to the Battlefield.
'Viper two-two is inbound to the AO...' :laughing7:
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Is the extra cost worth it for similar performance? Seeing as you have a haf-x space shouldn't be an issue right?
Or is it? I've never worked with air cooling in the haf-x so I dunno
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Is the extra cost worth it for similar performance? Seeing as you have a haf-x space shouldn't be an issue right?
Or is it? I've never worked with air cooling in the haf-x so I dunno
I think it's worth it.
Even with the size of the HAF-X, the TSA was so big that it was difficult to do anything around the CPU area without having to remove the thing entirely.
Also, one of the main reasons for me getting this is it's forward compatibility with LGA-2011.
I'm not sure if Thermalright would release anything to upgrade their present coolers to that socket.
Plus, I think it was way past time for me to move on from those big-azz air-coolers anyway.
@ Hard O/C...if you're referring to the LinX load temps, they're supposed to be high.
The purpose of LinX is to stress the cores way beyond normal, real-world usage to absolutely guarantee stability.
How many real-world apps would really have your CPU operating like that? Zero.
...and yes, I removed whatever TIM that came with the block and applied AS5.
...and keeping HT on at 4GHz with a C0/C1-stepping Core i7 920 requires more voltage than I would like,
so that comes on for benchmarking only.
If I had a D0-stepping CPU, well that's a different story. :)
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The stock paste that comes with the corsair h coolers is known to be Shin Etsu, a VERY good TIM.
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Just finished a 1-hour test with LinX....
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2594/capture29102011090259.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/254/capture29102011090259.jpg/)
You have any idea what ambient room temp. was while running this test?
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Yea I can are your point with trying to work around it, coming to think of it even if your case is big with an oversized cooler working with memory or even the 8pin power might be troublesome
Guess u should get slightly better ambient case temps ad well since no heat is being dispelled directly in the case?
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I started the test around 8:20 or so, but the sun had already made the room a little warm. Can't say what the room temp was at that point though.
I'll run it again tonight and see.
Next month (or maybe December) I'll order four of the most murderous hi-rpm 120 mm fans for some serious push-pull.
Someone already mentioned the Silverstone Penetrator, so I'll have a look at those.
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In my own liquid builds i've noticed with an efficient radiator, having powerful push/pull configuration makes no difference what so ever.
i juss using 3 low rpm high airflow scythe and thats it dey, i tried 6 fan push\pull, and faster fans, temps din budge.
So doh expect much from that fan upgrade. Mite be a waste of money juss adding more noise to ur rig.
But if d efficiency of d corsair rad is low, u mite scrape like 2 degrees.
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Well, you never know until you try. Plus, the information I'm providing here will help other prospective buyers to make a decision one way or the other, no?
I just remembered that I may have some Antec Tri-cool fans laying about. I'll sting out a few of the eight long screws from the existing fans and try a lil something later.
The saga continues..... :lol:
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Scene scene, let us know if they made a diff.
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Arc, wah clock is that u using in d top right dey.
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The clock is part of the HTC Home APIs and you can download it here (http://www.htchome.org/en/downloads/get/jegUS)...
...and you might have been right about the fan vs rad issue, but the ambient temp
was so much hotter this time (11am) that I can't be sure.
I did some more tests after I installed two Antec fans as pull...
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3095/capture30102011092654.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/18/capture30102011092654.jpg/)
(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8712/capture30102011112121.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/411/capture30102011112121.jpg/)
Temps seemed the same or higher but my methods have been less than scientific. :lol:
I'll have to re-run all these tests between 11 pm and 1 am to offer a definitive verdict.
What I will also have to toy with is mounting the fans as intake, and not exhaust.
Corsair's recommendation actually says that it should be mounted as intake.
We'll see how that goes. :laughing7:
The saga continues...
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So I flipped all my top fans, and the ones on the rad to intake, and immediately noticed a 4 degree drop in max load temps... :mellow:
(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/3570/capture30102011211317.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/capture30102011211317.jpg/)
(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3504/capture30102011212731.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/capture30102011212731.jpg/)
...and I erroneously stated that Corsair recommended using the fans as exhaust, but they actually recommended the opposite (http://www.corsair.com/blog/installing-the-hydro-series-h100-extreme-performance-cpu-cooler-in-the-obsidian-800d/).
So there's your answer if you want this thing to perform at it's best. Four fans in push-pull, as intake.
I think I'l leave it there for now. My M249 is getting rusty. :laughing7:
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hold up!!
so wat u saying is..... you pushing the hot cpu radiated air into the case..... ??? de fudda munt?
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Yep, but I have nice exhaust fans, so the temp penalty within the case is negligible.
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I was browsing some search results regarding H100 installations and came upon this German website (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hardwaremax.net%2Fguides%2Fhardware%2F305-der-perfekte-airflow.html&act=url). (You will need Google Chrome to see it in English)
That article is a great source of info with respect to case airflow. They show you how to get the best airflow using 2, 3, 4, or multiple fans.
Using their recommendations, I changed my front fan, and side panel fan to exhaust, and wouldn't you know,
those two simple actions actually netted a 3-degree drop in overall CPU idle temp. No longer does the temp
fluctuate between 36-38 C. It's now at a rather respectable 35 C.
(I'll experiment with changing the rear 140 mm exhaust fan to intake as well to see if it will have any effect.)
I was also able to lop off an extra 2 C in average load temp as well...
(http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/4961/capture01112011021210.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/capture01112011021210.jpg/)
My case may no longer collect dust as quickly as before now that there are no intakes close to the floor. Undeniable win.
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nice nice!!! good find!!
will have this done soon!
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^ men eh see the +1 emoticon we have now? (+)
@ Arc, I read the article you posted... maybe i'm interpreting it incorrectly but blue is good and red is bad.... isn't 3 intake 2 exhaust at top best according to their pics? Not following the side exhaust...
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i know you asked arc, but from what i was reading yes.. and i already knew that.. thing is....the fan i see doing a lot there would be a 120/140mm pulling from outside/underneath and pushing UP ( positioned at the bottom of the chassis )
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adding to that, the silverstone raven02 i had, followed that and push 3 180mm fans from the buttom to the top and the temps i got were EPIC, as you guys saw in my benchies thread.
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@ Arc, I read the article you posted... maybe i'm interpreting it incorrectly but blue is good and red is bad.... isn't 3 intake 2 exhaust at top best according to their pics? Not following the side exhaust...
There's no 'best' config. The different diagrams represent how best to tailor your airflow for a given number of fans.
I used this one as a guide...
(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/5485/airflowa.jpg)
My case has no bottom fan, so I used my side fan instead and made that exhaust.
Logic dictated that I make the front fan exhaust as well.
I think I'll change my rear exhaust to an intake, so all intakes will be in one 'zone'
(at or near the top), and all exhaust will be in another zone (at the bottom).
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I have a bit of a problem blowing hot air on my Hard drives. As far as i know, heat is the biggest killer for HDDs. other than that, looks like an interesting concept.
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I have a bit of a problem blowing hot air on my Hard drives. As far as i know, heat is the biggest killer for HDDs. other than that, looks like an interesting concept.
It shouldn't be a problem if the fan you're using as exhaust is a good one. In my case that fan is a very large 230 mm Cooler Master fan.
They didn't name it 'High Air Flow' for nothing you know. :laughing7:
According to AIDA64, all the HDD temps range from 42 C to 47 C. I only get concerned when I see temps of 60 C and up.
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i fedup tell doomtack, you hadda forget what you think and work with facts!! man hard headed!!
jus pullin yuh leg bro
but on a serious note...lets take blade servers for eg.... all their hot air, is extracted, none is blown in...remember the concept of removing heat it to take it AWAY from its source.
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Having worked with rads and airflow for a while, i can say, d air coming out of them rad and them dont be cool.
To expose your other components to heat just to shave 2-3 degrees of idle temps on cpu doesnt seem to be worth it imo.
Cool air in from front/side, Hot air out through Back and Top. 1 Smooth airflow, not different airpaths and currents conflicting with each other or anything like that. Simpler the better.
My system temps does be like 23 and thing.
And arc, d htc bess, but i liking metro (for obvious reasons)
http://www.htchome.org/en/metro/
So i rocking out that one for ah while to see.
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Ahhh, but my results speak for themselves. I not worried about the lil extra heat. The big-ass fans I'm using as exhaust is taking care of that. There is no rise in internal case temp that I can see. Changing the airflow like I did actually made things better.
As with everything else though. Your mileage may vary.
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In the end that's what matters oui, RESULTS
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Corsair Force 3 120 GB incoming. :happy0203:
That is all.
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Why you so harden boy. 2 men with tried and tested Crucial drives with good reports you gone and dip ur toe in uncertain waters with that drive?
Why?
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Why you so harden boy. 2 men with tried and tested Crucial drives with good reports you gone and dip ur toe in uncertain waters with that drive?
Why?
lol so he could test it for us... leave the man let him test it out just incase
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You want to buy one for me? I'll gladly send back the Corsair.
I cannot afford the Crucial 128 GB. Its as simple as that. The reviews say its a great performing drive, at least on SATA III.
I know it'll be plenty faster than my current setup anyway, so why the apparent disdain?
Crucial m4 ain't the final word on SSD.
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Of course the m4 is far from the best out there but remember its larger capacity, (even if its just by 8%).
Of course you shouldnt base your purchase decision on Amazon reviews but that Corsair has gotten mixed reviews, AT BEST. Very disdain worthy, if you ask me.
But yeah, beta test. Hopefully that $40us saved doesnt translate into headache for you down the road.
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You self. You think I would have read Amazon reviews only?
There was a firmware issue, which Corsair seems to have addressed.
There's someone else on this forum that uses a Force 3 with no issues (Sniper, I think).
I don't foresee any issues with the drive itself.
My only concern is being able to clone my existing Windows installation from a RAID-0 setup to a single drive.
This is the part where I offer a silent prayer to the 'god' Acronis. :laughing7:
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...and this is Corsair we talking about here. Not some 2 x 4 RAM maker like Crucial. When's the last time you used Crucial RAM?
You honestly think that they would keep a shitty SSD in the retail channel, with all the competition out there at present?
I refuse to believe that.
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Ok, so Corsair does not make ram or flash chips...at all. They buy chips from people like Samsung and Micron.
Micron is the company that OWNS the Crucial retail brand. So that "2x4" memory company actually supplies your holy Corsair with ram chips.
That said, i'd trust a SSD maker that uses their OWN parts much more than those that do not. I rather not take that gamble. Hopefully you get a drive that is not affected by the recall.
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came down guys calm down
you should of bought the ocz vertex 3
*runs*
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I know all about Crucial.
I used that '2 x 4' comment to goad you into responding.
Mission accomplished. SUCKAAAAA!!! :laughing7:
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As a matter of fact, Micron makes the nand chips (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1723/2/) present on that Corsair.
So there's a glimmer of hope in that Corsair yet :)
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LOL @ 'glimmer of hope'. Why you eh hush.
Yeah... I could have bought the OCZ, but my limit was 150 US.
The price of that drive is stretching it. If I was willing to pay that,
then I might as well just buy the Crucial and done.
No way around that fancy word 'compromise'.
...and Awesome, 40 US is not chump change eh. I could think of a great many things that 40 US could get me.
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Ah boy...Acronis to the rescue again. :happy0203:
I was able to successfully migrate my RAID-0 setup back to a single drive with no issues.
I was also able to modify the registry to use AHCI in preparation for the SSD,
so it should be a simple affair to just clone drive, and reboot.
* rubs hands in anticipation *
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lol @ 2x4 ram maker
arc is one ass eh. lol
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aye awesome...wait till he realizes that his boot files etc on the ssd would be fast and the regular hdds that have his games would load slow..
** rubs hands **
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Well I hope his current partition size is the same or smaller than 111gb else he's gonna have a rude awakening if he tries to apply an image with a larger logical size to the ssd. Is reinstall ihmc.
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aye awesome...wait till he realizes that his boot files etc on the ssd would be fast and the regular hdds that have his games would load slow..
** rubs hands **
I'm well aware of this, so that ain't news.
Well I hope his current partition size is the same or smaller than 111gb else he's gonna have a rude awakening if he tries to apply an image with a larger logical size to the ssd. Is reinstall ihmc.
...and I anticipated this, so that's why I used an 80 GB drive.
Really guys... :shakehead:
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or come on arc, we just pulling yuh leg..
well not really.
LOL
kicks man..
u gonna love that SSD.. i read a few reviews last night b4 bepped out on myself and i saw that the model you got is " cleared for take-off viper two-two "
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Oscar Mike to the land of goodtimes.
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I seldom purchase anything that expensive without poring over reviews for a week before.
All of the reviews peg this drive as the best performer in its price segment,
and that's good enough for me. I still wish it was a tad cheaper though. :(
The good thing is if the price drops down to about 120 US or so, I can get another for
some serious SSD RAID-0. :)
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raid with ssd..
my wow
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Drive appears to be worthy from the reviews, cant wait to see your results.
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...and wouldn't you know...1 BIOS update later, and my 4GHz stability is back. At proper voltage too. :happy0203:
The old hoss still have some life in im.
I really can't believe I overlooked BIOS updates for this mobo since 2009. :shakehead:
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a boy, a next man getting old. lol
I remember the youthful days when BIOS updates were done almost weekly.
Haven't updated any of my bios (except for the wireless router) in about three years. lol
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allyuh men want LASH
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At one point, I thought Amazon or Ezone lost the damn thing...
(http://img.tapatalk.com/ba2d5889-8744-6c32.jpg)
Installation later. :happy0203:
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GOOD STUFF!!
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Aye! Stop upgrading so I could jump into the top 15!! GRRR
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LoL...but your build has an SSD in it as well, so not to worry.
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Looking good! Let's see some benchmark figures when you get it installed.
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One SSD installation and firmware upgrade later...
(http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5625/capture30112011212802.jpg)
I wont get the read/write speeds advertised because I'm using a SATA II interface, but its faster than what I had before...
RAID-0
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1637/capture25112011005011.jpg)
...and just for comparison's sake, here's the performance of one of those RAID drives (Velociraptor 80 GB @ 10K rpm)...
(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2870/capture25112011004854.jpg)
The numbers don't tell the whole story...but you already knew that. :)
It's truly 'magical' to see your Windows desktop fully loaded just 35 seconds from pressing the power button.
Oh how I wish I could afford to upgrade ALL my hard drives in this system now. Everything associated with the OS,
and files on the SSD open with near instantaneous aplomb. Windows shutdown takes NINE SECONDS!!!
Office 2010 installation took just 7 minutes.
What-the-actual-f@#k!!? :awesome:
I am impressed. The WEI score for disk access jumped from a respectable 6.2 to a beastly 7.7.
Installation was a breeze, thanks to Acronis (once again). All I had to do was clone the drive, disconnect old HDD,
reboot, upgrade firmware, reboot again. No muss, no fuss. Windows started right up like first time. No BSODs, no issues.
GG Corsair.
It may not be as fast as the Crucial, or Intel drives, but I expected that. Those drives are significantly more expensive.
You get exactly what you pay for.
Now is just to wait for 500 GB SSDs to come down in price. :laughing7:
...and so the rig has evolved again.
The saga continues...
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I literally Cannot wait.
I will be installing Windows 7 then Battlefield 3
and whatevs else.
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sweet upgrade arc.
a 500GB SSD would be nirvana!
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** walks in.......walks back out **
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SSD ftw there Arc!!!!!!
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BOOM!!!
We inside. :happy0203:
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"It's Christmas.... c'est Noel, c'est Noel.... It's Christmas".
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BANG!
* Welcome to First Class sir, would you like some vodka with that? *
vantage here we come!!
(http://evansheline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/chive-like-a-boss-cat.jpg)
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New monitor next? XD
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Ha. Not a chance.
As for Vantage...allyuh Sandy Bridge muhfuggas take win. I won't even bother trying to compete. In any event, that X79 upgrade may not happen till next year this same time.
Although... I'm supposed to get some back-pay in 2012. *strokes chin* We shall see.
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what is this back pay? and how can I access it?
lol @ It's Christmas, c'est noel...big chune
As I said in the staff chat, POWER OVERWHELMING
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Wattage overwhelming too.... Light bill gonna sky now...
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Yeah boy
Well I power down my PC now since upgrading to the 6970. (It doesn't stay on like before)
Even though the card is supposed to sip on power when not under load.
Not taking any chances. Light bill is already sky high.
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Ohhh lawwdddd!!!
Arcman get twins for Christmas!!!!!!
Nice
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way boy falby... the man really buss out the dual 6950's yes lol
i aint care bout the vantage but lewee know how it running :}
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lol @ twins
hahahha
good one.
yeah, the vantage ain't important. His us the 3dmark 2011!!!
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BOOM!!!
Hol dat... :happy0203:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/23/capture21122011232424.jpg
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/213/capture21122011231013.jpg
Yeah, and that's with 6970 speeds too.
Not too shabby I'd say.
* Arcmanov squeezes back (barely) into the Vantage top 10 * :laughing7:
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It's low because of the CPU score. The CPU score is a bit lower than what I got before because of the
slightly slower RAM (1333 MHz) than what I was using before (1600 MHz).
The best thing about these cards is that they have a dual-BIOS, and one of those already has the 6970
shaders unlocked. So all I had to do was set the switch to the '1536 Shaders' position, and adjust the
core/memory clocks, and GPU voltage using Sapphire's Trixx utility...
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5825/capture22122011001905.jpg)
...and BOOM...free 6970s.
No need to flash one f@#&. :laughing7:
Win. :happy0203:
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silly arcmanov, trixx is for kids (couldn't resist)
solid score
welcome back to the big leagues
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Nice! Lets see the install. :D
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More power to take cobo sweat in bf3? /hate
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More power to take cobo sweat in bf3? /hate
My exams are done now, so let the serious sweatage commence,,
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silly arcmanov, trixx is for kids (couldn't resist)
solid score
welcome back to the big leagues
lol the way wyatt say welcome back to the big leagues u swear he in the big leagues eh rofl
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lol, phoenix, I've been in the big leagues before there were big leagues.
Giving others a chance to enjoy the ride
spread the love
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New Catalyst 12.1 preview driver out.
As expected, slight increase in performance...
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/822/capture23122011025110.jpg
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/100/capture23122011025040.jpg
I'll take whatever it can give. :laughing7:
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ah boy, time to increase my lead in the leaderboard.
+1
yeah OC, I noticed that with my scores as well.
Vantage seems to be more CPU dependent while 3dMark 2011 harnesses the GPU power.
Makes sense, since it pushes more pixels and dx11 features.
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well done arc
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Ah boy... 'cheaper' X79 CPUs on the way (http://www.anandtech.com/show/5276/intel-core-i7-3820-review-285-quadcore-sandy-bridge-e). :happy0203:
Now is just to wait for the cheaper X79 boards.
Hooray for 2012.
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dazwhawetalkinbout
should push down the price of the old tech to within the reach of poor men like us, lol
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Replaced all four fans on my H100 with Cooler Master Excaliburs (http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=6634).....
(http://www.coolermaster.com/upload/product/6634/featured/top1.jpg?745186061)
(http://www.coolermaster.com/upload/news/excalibur/excalibur_feature.jpg)
I think these might just be the best 120 mm fans I've come across, in terms of raw airflow versus noise.
85 cfm @ 2000 rpm with just 30 dB of noise is seriously good performance.
30dB is equivalent to a quiet room. At max rpm, you literally cannot hear these unless you put your ear
right up to it. In any event, I can't hear them over all the other fans inside the case.
These fans are SO good, that I was able to remove the TWO 200 mm fans mounted over the rad.
They were probably interrupting the Excaliburs' airflow anyway. :laughing7:
...and the best part?
I actually noticed a slight drop in overall idle and load temps (and by slight, I mean about 2 degrees C).
My 4 GHz overclock is in safe hands for now. :happy0203:
The only black mark against them though is the presence of the 'posts' at the four corners.
Depending on how you intend to mount them to a radiator, they can be a real p.i.t.a. to install
unless you have screws that are long enough. Fortunately, that isn't an issue with the H100,
but I did have to get a little 'creative' when I attempted to actually mount the rad with all
four fans already attached, but I eventually got it mounted properly...
(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/3026/20120110053422.jpg)
H100 owners...you need these like Arcmanov needs pr0n. (troll)
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niceness !!!!
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Steups. I coming with one stink system for 2012 eh.
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ohh geeddddddd
why stink?
burrrr
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Steups. I coming with one stink system for 2012 eh.
Lol... I hope it not so stink that they have to put you out. :laughing7:
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You have air being pulled down into your case?
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yes vitue
that is where the cold is.
think about it, hot air isnt from inside the case, outside is..
however, if outside your case is hotter than inside..
meet me at GB later, i will take it
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captainchris is totally correct.
I have found the operation of this H100 to be way more efficient if you have the fans pulling in colder air from outside.
If you have your exhaust fans set up properly, and they are sufficiently powerful, then you wont have to worry too much
about your inside case temps.
I have a 140 mm rear fan and a 200 mm side fan as intake, and a front 230 mm fan as exhaust, so there's no excessive heat buildup inside the case.
There also a space that can take a third 120 mm fan where the rad is, so guess what's going in there...yep, another Excalibur. :happy0203:
It's a shame Cooler Master doesn't make 140 mm Excaliburs (yet), so I will replace that rear fan next month with one of these (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005DZKRUA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER).
98 CFM @ 2000 rpm with 37 dBA noise? Oh hell yes. :) It will help bring down case temps even further.
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did i mention i dont have an case fans? and my case is wide open
lol
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Seriously?
I guess all that liquid cooling negates the need for moving so much air, except from the rads of course.
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Got the extra fans in...
(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4918/dsc00944wz.jpg)
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6094/dsc00948v.jpg)
That NZXT fan is one SERIOUS mover of air.
Now I have all the airflow I need. :happy0203:
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Just now you will need a pilot license to use the pc ur rig looking like it could take flight with all them fans :laughing6:
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dye wah we talkin bout!
how is the noise level?
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..and what were the temp drops ? pray tell
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Just now you will need a pilot license to use the pc ur rig looking like it could take flight with all them fans :laughing6:
lol
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You know a $100 TTD Lasco Fan could do the job too. :banana:
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You know a $100 TTD Lasco Fan could do the job too. :banana:
Where u getting lasko fan for $100?
Ditto.
At that price, I want THREE!!! :laughing7:
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tritto
I going and pick it up today. SAUCE!
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LOL!!
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Lasco have a reel Tendency to push Dust into your components.....tried and tested :)
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Lasko for $100... I in dat!
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oh yeah, I just vaccuum cleaned about 2 inches of dust off of my case today and that is without the benefit of lasko.
So bring it
$100 fan ftw
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I in dat $100 lasko fan too... where we meeting to buy out this supplier?
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Lol a man can't make a mistake in this environment yes.
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Fans for sale - get your fans here - fans for sale.
Lasko fans paying for my E3 trip.
http://www.laskoproducts.com/?page_id=13
(http://www.laskoproducts.com/wp-content/themes/duotive-three/includes/timthumb.php?src=/wp-content/uploads/3440beauty09.png&h=320&w=320&zc=1&q=100) $99.00 TTD
(http://www.laskoproducts.com/wp-content/themes/duotive-three/includes/timthumb.php?src=/wp-content/uploads/1825beautyOrn.png&h=320&w=320&zc=1&q=100) $100.00 TTD
Disclaimer - This is not real - It's just a joke gone too far.
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lol @ this entire page. Dem window fans looking like a boss rad cooler.
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Steups @ CMR170889.
I was ready to buy 3 Lasko brisk, brisk.
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steups indeed.
w1ntry said it best
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lmao at the thread i am in work lol at everyone who take that chain up!! lmao!!1
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Got the last two fans.
A Bitfenix Spectre Pro (http://img.canadacomputers.com/ProductImages/044275/94599.jpg) 200 mm for the side panel intake...
(http://www.allround-pc.com/gallery2/d/34511-1/BitFenix+Spectre+PRO+200mm+L_fter+Blue+LED+-+black.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=052a3e751aaf2851d83629aee4909de7)
...and another Bitfenix Spectre Pro (http://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/accessories/spectre-pro-led) 230 mm for the front exhaust...
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/-AamXvbmFS30/TtJ5PsVZbEI/AAAAAAAACQQ/K2mpyOTrcbU/102j.jpg)
Which brings the number of fans active in this rig to NINE. :mellow:
5 x Cooler Master Excalibur 120 mm
1 x NZXT FX-140LB 140 mm
1 x Antec Tricool 120 mm
1 x Bitfenix Spectre Pro 200 mm
1 x Bitfenix Spectre Pro 230 mm
Yep...it's the highest number of fans that I've employed to date, but the drop in temps are totally worth it.
Especially the video-card temps. The spacing between them is not as copious as I would like. Now I don't
have to ramp up their fan speeds above 90% to prevent disaster while gaming. The next motherboard I buy
HAS to have at least TWO slots of clearance between the PCI-E X16 slots, or else I don't want it.
A word of caution to anyone wanting to try out one of the Bitfenix fans, especially the 200 mm...
The propeller hub/blades are are almost level with the surrounding lip of the frame, so that you need to use
some kind of rubber spacers if you mount them as intake, or else the blades will rub on whatever the fan is attached to.
Fortunately, I found this out well in advance of ordering the fans, and luckily, the Excalibur fans came with those very rubber
spacers that I did not need to use, so they came in handy for that Spectre Pro. Foresight FTW. :happy0203:
That's it. I can stop buying fans now. :)
The evolution continues...
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Geez, I can see you aiming one of those fan on you on a hot day....
I must pass by to see this in action.
Good stuff otherwise.
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Updated pix req arc!
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...
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Nice. Interested in seeing what a non-k cpu could do.
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...
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...
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I haven't made up my mind yet, but I've narrowed it down to these two:
Asus P9X79
(http://www.computerpartsreview.com/image-files/asus-p9x79-pro-1.jpg)
Gigabyte GA-X79 UD3
(http://images.overclock.co.uk/product_images/large/GA-X79-UD3-1.jpg)
The Asus is slightly cheaper, but the Gigabyte is much deadlier in terms of features.
Waiting on the prices to come down a bit more though.
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The Gigabyte boards have been treating me very well, but the Asus board has a bit more space between the cards for xfire air flow.
Unless of course you get a heavy pay increase a looking at 4 cards?! :awesome:
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(http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/internet-memes-untitled18.jpg)
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niceness
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oh yeahhhhh
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8 core cpu in 2012.. u poor muddaf#$Ker!!!
but dude nice budget upgrade.. well done
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^^ LOLz
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^^ LOLz
X2
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(http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/internet-memes-untitled18.jpg)
Lol!
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You have plans to go 6 core in the future? because if you're planning to stick to quad core, Ivy Bridge is a cheaper, equally performing option.
i7 3770k and midrange Z77 board will do you just fine. Might overclock better too.
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...except that the 3770k gets too hot for my liking when overclocked, so no.
As for six-core... Intel will keep that...unless the price drops to about 350 US or thereabouts.
6 cores/12 threads looks really nice in the benchmark stats, but I use my PC primarily for gaming, and all that extra money for 'just' two extra cores I cannot justify...especially in light of the fact that it will make ZERO difference in the games I currently play.
...and, well, I simply can't afford it.
Still, it's nice to have that upgrade option in case one fall off a truck somewhere. :)
Intel's prices will ensure that I stay smack-dab in the midrange. :laughing7:
Here's to another 3 years...
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^ WRONG
it will not, not make ZERO difference.
MANY of benches have shown fps increasings with high clock speeds..
better than that!
but totally agree with ur reasoning and well those who know you, you gots things to take care off..
doe study cpt
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Increases of what? Less than 10 fps in most if not all cases @ resolutions of 1080p and above?
Better than THAT!!!
I've seen all the benches too yuh know. :laughing7:
Other than 3DMark apps, there's no way I can (personally) justify that extra 300 US.
That is 2 SSDs...or one mid-range GPU.
I'd quicker spend 600 US on two GPUs, than one CPU, however beastly. To me that just makes more economic sense...'bang for buck', if you will.
The little-to-no extra bang not justifying all that extra buck. :laughing7:
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well you cannot say 10fps is ZERO now can you?
come again..
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if u was not going 6 core u should of gotten an i7 2600k.
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Why though?
A Z68/2600K combo is only 150 TT less (I did the math).
Besides, an overclocked 3820 will wipe the floor with a 2600K. :happy0203:
...and 10 fps not worth 300 US in my book. YMMV of course.
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aye aye, doh be bad talking the 2600k
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Why though?
A Z68/2600K combo is only 150 TT less (I did the math).
Besides, an overclocked 3820 will wipe the floor with a 2600K. :happy0203:
...and 10 fps not worth 300 US in my book. YMMV of course.
Was just saying
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Why though?
A Z68/2600K combo is only 150 TT less (I did the math).
Besides, an overclocked 3820 will wipe the floor with a 2600K. :happy0203:
...and 10 fps not worth 300 US in my book. YMMV of course.
accepted
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Hmmm...not too shabby for 4.3 GHz: http://3dmark.com/3dmv/4111070
That could be the default speed for regular operation.
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*yawns*
big upgrade and notnice score higher..
like sauce said....4core upgrade in 2012.
troll u say?
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*yawns*
big upgrade and notnice score higher..
like sauce said....4core upgrade in 2012.
troll u say?
You're a smart lad...I'll let you figure out why. :happy0203:
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Ah boy, we lookin good so far: http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3545468 :happy0203:
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Ahhhh boy! System wukkin!
I was expecting your scores to be higher than mine with the new chipset, but the performance at first glance seem to be almost even (My scores are only marginally higher).
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That's just the preliminary, me2 'n00b' OC that certain others have applied to their X79 systems. :/
I'm currently re-installing all my stuff. I'll settle down for some more serious tweaking this weekend.
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*yawns*
big upgrade and notnice score higher..
like sauce said....4core upgrade in 2012.
troll u say?
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Ok that's nasty
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Can someone tell me again why Arc "upgraded"? Barely seeing a difference here.
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Like the six-core trolls have nothing to do today boy.
Why must my reasons for 'upgrading' concern you?
If you can't see any difference, then what can I say...just move along and leave me with my 'poor' system.
The negativity I can do without.
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guys leave the peasant alone na.. move along
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well you did put it on a public forum didnt u arcy boy?
:laughing7:
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Yes, I did, so that others can compare the merits of this platform with others...not for you rich muthaf@#kas to look down on.
Please refer to reply #668 for clarification. :)
Have a nice day.
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hahaha @ peasant
tough crowd
You know things bad when Arc on the receiving end of a forum trashing.
The sky is falling yes
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Ha...
I'd hardly call it 'thrashing'. More like 'elitist trolling'.
'...they shoulda never gave you niggas money!!!'
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Trolling aka trashing......
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under all kicks i still think when he overclocks we would be shocked.. this CPU is a sleeper!!!
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under all kicks i still think when he overclocks we would be shocked.. this CPU is a sleeper!!!
That can't be waken lol
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under all kicks i still think when he overclocks we would be shocked.. this CPU is a sleeper!!!
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under all kicks i still think when he overclocks we would be shocked.. this CPU is a sleeper!!!
That can't be waken lol
...and it performing better than yours. :)
Funny that.
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under all kicks i still think when he overclocks we would be shocked.. this CPU is a sleeper!!!
That can't be waken lol
...and it performing better than yours. :)
Funny that.
na arc i being serious no trolling
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So now that my SSD is on a proper SATA III interface, the read speeds are looking a bit more 'respectable'...
(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3144/capture02062012132224.jpg)
Here's the SATA II result for comparison (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,11652.msg281196.html#msg281196).
Idle power consumption of this platform is down by more than 100W. :awesome:
With the X58 platform, idle power usage would top out at 390W.
This is what I'm seeing now...
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8828/capture02062012132803.jpg)
More win for X79. :happy0203:
Me and TTEC could be on speaking terms again. :laughing7:
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Some more tweaking today yielded this...
(http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/11/capture03062012151909.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/804/capture03062012151909.jpg/)
3DMark results as follows...
http://3dmark.com/3dmv/4119490
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3577581
40C idle temp? I could live with that.
75W idle power penalty? I could live with that too. (It's still a LOT better than the X58 kit)
Of course I still have to see how this setting holds up under some torture, and stability testing.
If it does, then 4.6 GHz will be daily operation. :happy0203:
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Nicely done, I'm always always for more performance with less power consumption!!!
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Ouch, 250W @ idle? Those AMD cards are really heavy on consumption.
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very impressed with those GPU scores there bro!
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Finally achieved stability at 4.6 GHz with some truly exotic voltage settings, but nowhere near as frustrating as X58...
(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4618/capture03062012223650tum.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/221/capture03062012223650tum.jpg/)
The main problem though...temperature.
Apparently I was monitoring the wrong value. Idle temp at 4.6 GHz is actually SIXTY degrees Celsius.
Prime 95/LinX had the load temp pegging NINETY-FIVE degrees, which is weird because total system power
consumption is way LOWER than the X58 platform. There's an issue somewhere...I just haven't found it yet.
My research indicates that those temps, even at 4.6 GHz may be a bit abnormal.
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reapply TIM??
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I actually did that...and maybe I spoke too soon about stability at 4.6 GHz...
Sometimes Prime 95 will run for an hour or more without errors, and then other times, one or two threads will stop with an error,
so it's still iffy. I'm beginning to think I've hit a wall where heat is winning out over stability. I guess I'm asking too much of the H100,
but I really thought that it could take the jamming. Sadly, this is not the case. At 4588 MHz, I'm seeing temps of up to 98 degrees C.
Totally unacceptable.
It's interesting what effect a 'paltry' 300 MHz can have eh.
It appears that these LGA 2011 Core i7 CPUs are real monsters when you get above 4.5 GHz.
I'll be staying at 4.3 GHz until I can afford a more exotic cooling solution.
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Anything more exotic might require "Liquid N"...
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reapply TIM??
I agree this helped me drop some temps with my 3930K the one I gave me.wasn't enough.
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Anything more exotic might require "Liquid N"...
Not necessarily...
I'm looking at one of those Rasa kits...namely the XSPC Rasa 750 RS360 (http://www.xs-pc.com/products/watercooling-kits/rasa-750-rs360-watercooling-kit/).
Still, the extra 300 MHz isn't really that necessary, but it's the whole point of an enthusiast platform.
As soon as I can afford it...I'm getting that kit. The nice thing about LGA 2011, is that the required installation
adapter kit means that the motherboard doesn't have to come out at all. That's half the hassle right there.
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^^ Glad you are considering my recommendation, I am slowly making everyone turn to Watercooling.. :laughing7:
Now to speed up notnicett's mind....
:laughing7:
on a more serious note.. CPU degradation will take place ALOT faster if you keep it at that speed BTW.
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Ha.
I've actually been considering that particular kit for a very long time eh...even before I got the H100.
Been on the fence about using a proper watercooling kit for a longer time, and I thought the H100 was an acceptable compromise.
You know what they say...experience is the best teacher. It's fine for your run-of-the-mill overclocking, but I want MORE dammit!
I never thought I'd say this, but "...is custom watercooling immc!!! " :laughing7:
Expect to see the H100 up for sale before the year is out...for a bess price too. :happy0203:
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Dyewhawetakin'bout
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I might have finally got this biatch to behave at 4.6 GHz...
(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4194/capture06062012232637.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/capture06062012232637.jpg/)
Emphasis on 'might'. :laughing7:
I think my initial problems may have had something to do with too much Vcore.
Changed up my fan arrangements as well, and interestingly, idle/load temps have dropped by 5 degrees C,
so idle temp is now 56C, and not 61C...max load temp is now 88C, and not 93/94C.
Still nowhere near 'great', but I can live with it for now.
For this platform, I have found that Prime 95 finds instability much more quickly that LinX.
I have had certain configurations pass an hour-long LinX run, only to get Prrime 95 rounding errors within three minutes.
All-aspect testing continues of course...
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go sleep
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For this platform, I have found that Prime 95 finds instability much more quickly that LinX.
I have had certain configurations pass an hour-long LinX run, only to get Prrime 95 rounding errors within three minutes.
All-aspect testing continues of course...
Absolutely correct. Prime has made a strong comeback from the days of athlon xp's. Ahh, the memories. It is the ONLY choice for stability testing SB-E.
Nothing less than 12 hours without failure (not the blend test, too soft) can you truly say the system is stable: http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,11539.msg291252.html#msg291252
The fact that you have to use SOO much voltage to maintain a moderate overclock suggests that you simply got a CPU that's not 'top binned' or OC friendly. It happens.
As far as them temps go, you better chill that nugga out before thermal degredation sets in. Maybe go back to the silver arrow. You'll see much better results.
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Just finished another 8-hour Prime95 session using 'In-place large FFTs', with no errors.
I think we good to go for now.
Now to work on the GPUs. :)
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Someone (can't remember who) asked me about pics...
(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7457/dsc01221e.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/651/dsc01221e.jpg/)
Nothing too special.
I tend to not be too concerned with aesthetics. I'm always messing around in there anyway.
Once all the major wiring is tucked out of the way... I good with that.
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looking good!
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Finally decided to take the plunge...
(http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/8743/capture21072012033316.jpg)
That is all.
I don't have the time/patience for 'build logs'. More details when it's all done.
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"Arc's log... supplemental"
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Can that kit also accomodate video cards in the loop?
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Can that kit also accomodate video cards in the loop?
yes
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whats the update bro???
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come on.. i know you "in the process" of making it happen
updatessssssssssss
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I'll update when it's done.
Not done yet.
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Now it's done... :laughing7:
The XSPC Rasa 750 RX360 (http://www.xs-pc.com/products/watercooling-kits/rasa-750-rx360-watercooling-kit/) 'custom' kit consists of the following:
- Rasa Black (Acetal) CPU Waterblock
- Socket 775, 1366 and 1154 Backplates
- Socket AM2 and AM3 mounting kit
- Socket 2011 mounting kit ***
- X2O 750 12V Pump/Reservoir (42dB Max)
- 5mm Blue LED with 4Pin Molex
- RX360 Radiator
- 80mm to 120mm Radiator brackets
- Low Noise 1700rpm 120mm Fan x3
- 120mm Fan Grill x3
- 2 Meters of Clear 7/16″ Hose
- G1/4″ to 1/2″ barbs x6
- Thermal Paste
*** - was pleasantly surprised to learn that the LGA2011 mounting hardware is in fact included,
even though it wasn't listed.
Used some Feser One UV-green (http://www.tfc-us.com/shop/en/LIQUIDS/Feser-One-Cooling-Fluid/UV-GREEN/Feser-One-Cooling-Fluid-UV-GREEN-1-L-BOTTLE) liquid as the coolant. Didn't want to waste time with exotic mixtures and additives.
I don't expect to be changing this in a hurry, so I'd rather spend the money for a 'proper' non-conductive coolant.
Onto the good stuff...
This is what the Rasa kit replaced...
(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/6173/dsc01273j.jpg)
A Phanteks PH-TC14PE_BL (http://phanteks.com/01/CPUcooler-PH-TC14PE_BL.asp). Quite a capable air cooler in it's own right. (...and no, I am NOT selling it :) )
As I said before...not to keen on the 'build-log' thing, so I'll just show you the finished product...
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9969/dsc01279u.jpg)
(http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/8553/dsc01278hg.jpg)
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5297/dsc01277n.jpg)
(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/592/dsc01284wj.jpg)
(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/8228/dsc01282gg.jpg)
(http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/1014/dsc01281k.jpg)
Flow sequence: res(pump)-->rad-->cpu-->res(pump)
To fit that res(pump), I had to remove the two hot-swap bays. Not really an issue. Relocated the drive there to one of the normal drive bays.
I had a little scare when I first powered it up, and the pump just wouldn't push anything out to the rad. I actually thought at one point that I got a bad pump.
had to lay the whole contraption on its side to help the pump out. Once that was sorted, leak-testing commenced. No leaks at all, due to the heavy-duty
hose-clamps that I got for cheap in the hardware store :). They're bloody ugly, but they get the job done. Period.
Of course I used my 3 Cooler Master Excaliburs on the rad up top (as intake). XSPC was good enough to provide all the necessary screws (long and short)
to properly mount fans and rad to your chassis. I don't regret getting this HAF-X for a moment. It's size and roominess really made mounting the rad a pleasant experience.
:shakehead: One very stupid rookie mistake I made was to connect the CPU waterblock in reverse, so the flow from the rad went into the block outlet
and not the inlet, but I fixed that today. Lessons learnt.
Of course, all this would be useless if it didn't make a difference on the thermal performance front, right?
I am happy to report that average load temp is now at a very respectable 75C, considering the CPU is now at 4.6 GHz with HT on,
and that's compared to 95C with the Phanteks (yes...seriously). Idle temp hovers between 47C and 52C.
Are there things that can be improved? Yes. A better waterblock (http://www.xs-pc.com/products/waterblocks/cpu-waterblocks/raystorm-cpu-waterblock-intel/) for one,
and maybe a better bay res(pump) (http://www.xs-pc.com/products/pumps/d5-dual-bay-reservoirpump-combo/), but those can come later.
Am I happy with it as is? Oh HELL yes. :happy0203:
OK, ah done...ah not upgrading nutten again. :laughing7:
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good times!!!!!!
welcome to real cooling..
now.... get better fans and AC that mofo let that cpu FREEZE
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(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/5847/20120828193804.jpg)
GTX 660Tis are in...and performance is awesome...
http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4263788
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4245129
That is all. :happy0203:
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wtf
arc win lotto???
Men getting out of hand with these upgrades.
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We have evidence in the image thread of Arc shopping for a Porsche.
Hmmmmm.
Arc boy - the vene girls you selling on eBay finally pay off huh?
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lol, have to be.
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Decided to put in a little 'bling' (http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=296). :)
(http://www.gskill.com/images/images_products/P1000764-450296.jpg)
(http://www.gskill.com/images/images_products/P1000716-450296.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img832/5892/dsc01412o.jpg)
These are SO much easier to install than the OCZ ones I had before.
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So I finally decided...on a whim...to upgrade to Windows 8.
OK, it wasn't really a whim, but now that Stardock has released a proper version of Start 8 (http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/), I decided to
take advantage of the $40 US upgrade price.
Modern UI issues notwithstanding... the upgrade went pretty smoothly. The only thing that didn't survive the trip
was the WIDCOMM software for my bluetooth adapter. Everything else...including the many apps and games that I have installed
were migrated pretty seamlessly. Microsoft gets major points for that. Most painless upgrade I've ever done.
Combined with a SATA III SSD, Windows 8 really rips along. From power-on to desktop in 30 seconds. Impressive.
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6442/capture24112012210321.jpg)
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3350/capture24112012210244.jpg)
Start 8 really takes a lot of the headache out of navigating this new UI, and combined with the 'Windows key + X'
power users shortcut...yeah, good times have returned.
The only thing that's not running now is 3DMark Vantage...and I almost bought it.
Got 3DMark 11 for $9.99 on Steam though. Found that quite by accident.
Performance seems to be just about the same: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/5032525
For now, I have no complaints...my apps work...my games work, and best of all, my Start menu is back. :happy0203:
GG
...and I recently put three of these on my rad: http://www.amazon.com/Scythe-Gentle-Typhoon-120mm-25mm/dp/B004IX16JE/ref=cm_cr-mr-title
Awesome performance...but you will not believe the unholy racket three of these at over 4000 rpm (each) generate. I no longer leave the rig on
when I go to bed at night. :lol: It's that bad....but totally worth it. :laughing7:
The Evolution continues...
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Welcome to the Windows 8 party
Nice update to the rig.
+1 for the Start 8 link.
This could very well negate my only annoyance with Windows 8. Downloading as we speak.
Hefty kudos if it works.
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I just took a look at start 8, very interesting i muss say. Perfect solution for those who cant make d jump to metro.
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It is very boss...and if you use these instructions (http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/coolstuff/Tip-Auto-Login-Your-Windows-7-User-Account)...you can use it to bypass the Modern UI entirely when your PC starts up,
and get kicked straight to the desktop. Good times. :happy0203:
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Could also use this is bypass metro has a plethora of options ....and its free
and you can skin it as desired
http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
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Those instructions bypassing login altogether arc. Which won't work for me.
I'd rather not have the kids gaining unrestricted access to the PC.
Classic Shell looking like epic win.
That's what I love about this site yes....well played preston, well played
+1 to you sir.
Installed and working like a champ. Think this may deserve its own thread.
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Well I don't have that particular problem...yet. :laughing7:
I can certainly understand why though...considering what passes across my screen sometimes. *ahem* :happy0203:
I hate login screens.
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New addition to the ever-evolving rig arrived today...
(http://cdn.overclock.net/e/e0/600x399px-LL-e071dd4b_DSC_0495.jpeg)
(http://cdn.overclock.net/2/2d/600x399px-LL-2d1228cf_DSC_0496.jpeg)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pixel-Perfect-CROSSOVER-27Q-LED-P-27-DVI-QHD-Pivot-Model-Free-shipping-/330766744151?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item4d033bfa57
http://www.overclock.net/products/crossover-27q-led-p/reviews
I decided to grab one of these based on the many, many reviews done by owners across the world.
The difference in image quality between this and the Samsung 1920 x 1080 LCD monitor I've used for the past few years is ASTONISHING!!!
Not to mention the stupid new amount of screen real-estate. :awesome:
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/837/capture20122012211252.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/837/capture20122012211252.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/228/capture20122012204427.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/228/capture20122012204427.jpg/)
I'm talking NIGHT and DAY difference here folks...
Colours are so vibrant...blacks are so, well, black. :laughing7:
Gaming at that resolution is really something to behold. Fired up Far Cry 3 as an acid-test, and boy, was I blown away.
The colour gamut on a LED screen in that game is so vivid, I had to turn down the backlight intensity. OMFG.
If you're thinking of buying one of these, I suggest you buy from that same seller link I posted above.
He will literally FedEx it to your skybox within 5 days...FROM South Korea. I sh*t you not.
The only cons thus far:
- Lack of on-screen display
- DVI-D dual-link input only
Oh, there are versions with more inputs, but those cost significantly more.
For what's on offer here though, I cannot complain.
Now my graphics cards REALLY have some work to do. :happy0203:
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Ah boy arc, welcome to the club, now u experiencing my obsession with 30" monitors using and gaming @ 2560 * 1600 resolution, and you'll soon quickly find yourself requiring several gpu upgrades lol. Making the jump from 1080p does take alot out of them cards. Especially if you paranoid about minimum frame rates like i am.
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Wait, i now watch d price, wta, lol, bess price for that.
This me:
http://www.amazon.com/Dell-UltraSharp-U3011-30-Monitor/dp/B004KKGF1O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1356054535&sr=8-1&keywords=dell+30%22
And ah HP version.
I want ah third, at the price that ebay man selling that for, i mite consider it, but kinda want to stick to 2560 * 1600 across the board, for possible eyefinity gaming at some insane res in the future.
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Arc, yuh know I swinging by to see this myself...
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Thats a nice looking monitor indeed.
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Thats a nice looking monitor indeed.
...in every respect.
I'm happy to report that there are zero issues, and zero dead pixels.
...and Crysis looks absolutely GLORIOUS @ 2560 x 1440... :awesome:
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6281/crysis20121228010056272.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/132/crysis20121228010056272.jpg/)
(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/6429/crysis20121228010726462.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/crysis20121228010726462.jpg/)
(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/7281/crysis64201212280136220.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/crysis64201212280136220.jpg/)
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4510/crysis64201212280136447.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/crysis64201212280136447.jpg/)
(http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/svg/happy-cuteness-overload.svg)
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beautiful.....just beautiful
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Impressive most impressive.
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I officially wanna re-install this game to see how my 680's handle them. Crank up ALLL the bells and whistles and taunt the game. Be like 'u used to to laugh at my old 8800gts and call him a bitch eh? who's laughing now??"
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I officially wanna re-install this game to see how my 680's handle them. Crank up ALLL the bells and whistles and taunt the game. Be like 'u used to to laugh at my old 8800gts and call him a bitch eh? who's laughing now??"
If you do, don't even bother with Origin...and you will have to use a crack on your legit game because EA and SecuROM DRM will tell you that you need to 'upgrade from Windows 98/2000'. :/
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Isnt that ironic...one of the ONLY games I own on disc i'll have to crack to play on Win 8 lol.
Cool thanks for the heads up.
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So the Steam version won't work without issue?
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I have the disc version, so I can't say for the Steam version.
You might have to check their forums to see.
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Finally had some time to complete my little (literally :lol: ) HTPC upgrade project...
(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/3901/20130106012927.jpg)
Cooler Master Elite 120 Advanced
Thermaltake 600W PSU
Gigabyte H61N-USB3
Intel Celeron G540
2 x 4GB Kingston DDR3-1333 (low profile)
XFX Radeon HD 7750
Toshiba/Samsung DVD-RW drive
Hitachi 500GB 2.5-inch laptop HDD (5400 rpm)
(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/853/20130106013410.jpg)
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4065/20130106013117.jpg)
(http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/9384/20130106013140.jpg)
(http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/6458/20130106013244.jpg)
Took quite an effort to put together, because of the space constraints. Actually had to remove the PSU to plug everything into
the motherboard. The bloody CMOS pins are right below the PSU up in a corner, so is PAIN if I ever have to clear it.
It was worth the time and effort though. Right now it's running flawlessly with Windows 8, and it's doing exactly
what I need it to do...no more, no less.
Maybe later down in the year I'll think about upgrading the CPU and GPU to something a little 'meaner'. Maybe.
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Sweet build dude!
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Look good. Any pics of the completed closed system?
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benchmarks or it didn't happen
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Very nice build.
I have to start on my Mini PC build myself. A "Hackintosh" project. But a Silverstone Sugo SG-05 will be the case of choice for me.
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Oh, that 'Sugo' case is rather spiffy.
I have only 2 personal gripes with it:
1. The fact that I can't use a standard ATX PSU
2. The slimline ODD bay.
...and I guess it's probably quite a bit more expensive too, ent?
The Cooler Master just happened to tick all the right boxes...the most important ones being the very things that make that Sugo undesirable to me...the drive bays and the PSU issue.
How easy would it be to get a replacement PSU for that Sugo though?
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The Case and PSU combo is a hot US$120 (http://www.amazon.com/Silverstone-SG05BB-450-USB3-0-Mini-ITX-Computer-Certified/dp/B008J0ZQCU/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1357519639&sr=1-1&keywords=sugo+SG-05)
You can certainly get SFX PSUs on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_5?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=sfx+power+supply&sprefix=SFX+P%2Celectronics%2C322):
I just hope when I get my case the PSU never blows, because of the PRICE!
Is the size and design that win me over the Cooler Master,(almost same size as a typical Shuttle XPC - and consider that a Shuttle barebones of Case, PSU, mobo and Cooler is at least US$200 - US$400+) plus the Cooler Master cooling performance is apparently not rated as good as other ITX cases.
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Yall take ur htpc's seriously. $150tt super power branded supertech case and I move on with my life.
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Yall take ur htpc's seriously. $150tt super power branded supertech case and I move on with my life.
LOL...and then have to always see this big, ugly case whenever I watch my TV. No thanks.
@ Sax...that 'cooling problem' was easily remedied by replacing the anemic stock fan with an Excalibur. :icon_thumright:
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lol
Im with awesome. Case won't get much love (nor $$) from me.
but at the same time, I can appreciate the value of a svelt system for the living room.
Hence the interest in this puppy.
The Sapphire VS-8
An entire PC, smaller than a graphics card? Now THAT I can spend some $$ on.
About $399. No assembly required.
(http://lanoc.org/images/stories/Reviews/sapphire_edge_HD/Image_15.JPG)
(http://www.techarena.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Sapphire-EDGE-VS8-Foto-19-620x660.jpg)
(http://us.sapphiretech.com/mc/images/prods/1747/4H000-10_MiniPC_VS8_01_634884194644780540_600_600.jpg)
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I considered that too, but my focus was on building something with easily replaceable/upgradeable parts.
Still...that little Sapphire is rather sexy.
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Fellow enthusiasts...check this app out (http://www.hwinfo.com/index.html) if you haven't already...
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5085/hwinfoz.jpg)
For system monitoring and sensor logging, it seems to surpass RealTemp, and AIDA 64...two of my mainstays for the past few years.
Found it while reading a CPU cooling article on Guru3D.
It's updated almost daily, so pretty much any hardware config can be properly scanned and monitored.
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Nothing new...just some benchies, :) using Nvidia's latest 320.18 driver...
3DMark Vantage: http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4711607
3DMark11: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6735693
3DMark Fire Strike: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/501330
Didn't bother with the other 3DMark tests. The only one that matters to me is Fire Strike.
New Fire Strike leaderboard perhaps? (you'll have to buy it though) :happy0203:
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Nice.
lol @ nothing new. Yeah boy, upgrade fever has cooled to the temperature of a dogs nose amongst GATTers.
Sign of the times.
I'll probably only spring for a 5ghz processor when they get around the $299 mark. Just because it has been long overdue. Moore's law be damned.
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...but them new GTX 770s callin meh name though, albeit very softly. :laughing7:
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New addition to my growing trove of gaming audio hardware...
The Sharkoon Xtatic Pro (http://www.sharkoon.com/?q=en/node/2268)
(http://www.sharkoon.com/sites/default/files/products/headsets/X-Tatic_Pro_04.jpg) (http://www.sharkoon.com/sites/default/files/products/headsets/X-Tatic_Pro_03.jpg) (http://www.sharkoon.com/sites/default/files/products/headsets/X-Tatic_Pro_02.jpg)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEqZax7APO4
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWxp87oe78c
Sound quality is crisp, clear, and the bass is satisfyingly solid and punchy...something I can't say about the Turtle Beach PX5.
Also doesn't distort at higher volumes, but it gets so terrifyingly loud, that it would be hazardous to listen to it at that volume.
The fit is nice and snug...covers your entire ear, and the earcup is made of a soft, 'velvety' material...not leatherette like traditional cups.
The real deal-sealer for me with this headset is of course the 5.1 speaker setup. No aural trickery here. 4 speakers in each earcup.
Also, the chat function is provided separately by the USB hookup, so game sound can be adjusted independent of chat sound. The SCU can also
provide pass-through for optical AND analog, so you can connect an external speaker system to it as well.
In a nice design touch, the 'Pro' on the sides light up green, although it does nothing for the sound quality. :laughing7:
Gave it a nice 'sorting out' in Battlefield 3.
DEFINITELY a step up in audio quality from the PX5, which will now be relegated to console duty.
Not for 'audiophiles' by any means, but it gets the job done...and it's multi-platform.
It's not as pricey as the PX5, but it sounds WAY better.
Arcmanov Approved. :icon_thumleft:
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Evolution...
:happy0203:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img407/3686/stbh.jpg)
Stock: http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4725825 OC: http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4727514
Stock: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6727195 OC: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6736019
Stock: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/776185 OC: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/785900
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The cooler on them cards incredibly sexy. Love it. They musbe running real cool ent?
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Idle temps are 40 and 41 degrees C. Haven't took note of the load temps as yet.
Just a degree or two higher than the 660 TIs.
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OH GEED!!!!!!
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Evolution...
:happy0203:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img407/3686/stbh.jpg)
Stock: http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4725825 OC: http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4727514
Stock: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6727195 OC: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6736019
Stock: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/776185 OC: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/785900
OC scores added.
Considering EVGA already bumped up the clocks, I could only squeeze about 3-5% more out of em. Not worth the extra Watts in power usage.
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(http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviewimages/logitech-g700s-mouse/logitech-g700s-mouse.jpg)
http://youtu.be/a1_bP5T1sU4
Finally got my new G700s yesterday...and promptly 'christened' it with a BF3/Metro sweat. :laughing7:
Definite improvement over the G700, which has been inexplicably, for want of a better phrase, been F@#KING UP,
with random right-clicks for a good few months now. Imagine the nightmare when that happens during hectic BF3 shootouts.
The G700s' sides are more textured. Thankfully, the left/right buttons (and the top) aren't. What you see there is matte, and featureless.
Same wondrous teflon feet as the 700, so there are no glide issues whatsoever.
The software is a step up too, from the 'plain' old SetPoint, and now recognises (and interfaces with) all Logitech hardware you have connected to your system...
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1493/layp.jpg)
One highly overlooked 'feature' that I discovered quite by accident, which carries over from the G700, is that you can ditch the wireless function
entirely (take out the battery even), and use the mouse in wired mode, as the charging cable can also act as a connectivity/data cable.
In short...if you like the G700...you're gonna LOVE the G700s. :sassy:
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lets see how this helps u in BF3 :laughing7:
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lets see how this helps u in BF3 :laughing7:
pfffttt
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lets see how this helps u in BF3 :laughing7:
pfffttt
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something stuck in your mouth ? :lol:
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pfffttt
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But arc... you doh hardcore rightclick... what yuh need such an expensive clicker for? XD
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But arc... you doh hardcore rightclick...
Which is why I'm so baffled that the right-click button is the one that's failing. :lol:
Logically, it should be the left-click...right?
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You buy a GTX 770 from EVGA...you can get a free backplate (http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=100-BP-2770-B9)...once you register it...
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9840/jeey.jpg)
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/6295/nbki.jpg)
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3792/dwkd.jpg)
Gives em a nice, clean finish, and more protection for the PCB.
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Yes, backplates is pure win. Good protection, Looks Sexy, and Arc as you'll soon notice, It helps with overclocking GPU Memory cause it does act as a giant heat-sink for the memory on the back of the card (provided yUh card have memory there).
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Yep...there are quite a few thermal pads on the underside of the plate, so I suspected that the plate itself would act as a heatsink.
Nuff props to EVGA for that.
I can understand now why they are one of the premier Nvidia partners.
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I like.
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like a man ready for Titan Fall
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Back plates gives a nice clean look to the rig.. Looking good Buddy.. BTW do u have any more of those sexy black SLI connectors Arc?
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As a matter of fact, I do.
My initial intention was to get a 3rd 660 Ti for some Tri-SLI action, but I reconsidered after weighing the pros and cons,
most notably performance scaling vs power consumption, and I didn't like what my research was showing me.
You can have it...but you have to come by me for it. :)
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Yeah np thanks I would be up on your side tomorrow.
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Had to move the download PC's guts to 'new digs' yes...
(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9577/1i7u.jpg)
Came home Saturday evening to an unusually warm room.
Finally traced the source of the warmth to an uncharacteristically unresponsive download PC.
Imagine my surprise and horror to discover the PSU area of the PC too hot to even touch. I had to wait about an hour to work with it.
Gutting the machine confirmed my worst fears...dead PSU fan. Overheated the whole machine to component-killing temps. :(
Fortunately I had a 'spare' mobo that just happens to be identical to the one that died,
and the good folks at www.epctt.com were able to hook me up with one of these beauties...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyXqYywoLO8
...and yes, they open on Sundays. :)
It's a nice, cheap, roomy case, apparently made by Cooler Master.
(http://img1.mlstatic.com/gabinete-thermal-master-tc-101b-atx-negro-con-fuente-500w_MLM-O-2962295471_072012.jpg)
(http://bimg2.mlstatic.com/gabinete-thermal-master-tc-101b-atx-negro-fuente-500w-hwo_MLM-F-3233625607_102012.jpg)
(http://bimg1.mlstatic.com/gabinete-thermal-master-tc-101b-atx-negro-con-fuente-500w_MLM-F-3079769754_082012.jpg)
Comes with a 500W PSU. PERFECT for my needs.
Yeah...that overheating shit ain't happening again.
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how much for that diamond paper case it looks good
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arc those pics of crysis in 1440p just fried my eyes.. wow 1440p here i come
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So...like most Windows 8 users, I decided to download/install the free 8.1 upgrade. Simple matter, right?
WRONG!!! OMFG...how wrong was I to even THINK that it would be easy to do...
(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2198/14ug.jpg)
Real descriptive, ent? :(
After many, MANY tries...I was confronted with the above. Oh, and each attempt? About 2 hours to get to that same point.
Leave it to Microkia to turn something as simple as a 'service pack' upgrade into a clusterf@#k of nightmarish proportions.
The ONLY way for retail Windows 8 users to download this upgrade is through...you guessed it the 'Metro' UI Windows Store.
gone are the days of downloading the file...and updating all your PCs as necessary. Oh no...you have to put EACH Windows 8 PC
you have on the internet to download and install this upgrade.....
Unbe-f@#king-lievable. :shakehead:
Of course I then realised after 2 days, and no progress, another solution was needed.
At this point I really have to give it up for internets, because bet MONEY...SOMEONE else SOMEWHERE has/had the same problem,
and sure enough, I found quite a few instances of this issue with people clamouring for help.
Oh your laptops and run-of-the-mill PCs would install the upgrade fine...but any 'enthusiast' PC with exotic combinations of hardware...? Not a chance.
The solution? Read carefully because it gets really exotic...
The first step involved getting the Windows 8.1 ISO. "How do you get the Windows 8.1 retail ISO?"...you may ask.
A fair question. The answer is detailed here (http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/windows-81-tip-download-windows-81-iso-windows-8-product-key).
Next step...create a USB-bootable Windows 8.1 install 'disk' to upgrade the current Windows 8 installation. Easy enough.
Start the Windows 8.1 upgrade process from within Windows 8...so far so good.
Now we hit a REALLY nasty snag... The upgrade process asks for your Windows 8.1 key to proceed.
Waitaminute...I don't HAVE a Windows 8.1 key...and my LEGIT Windows key is not being accepted. Yes...your LEGIT Windows 8 key
that you PAID FOR will NOT work when upgrading.
Of course...there's almost ALWAYS a workaround, and it involved creating a text file with the following...
[EditionID]
Professional
[Channel]
Retail
[VL]
0
You then have to save that text file as 'ei.cfg' in the 'Sources' folder on the USB drive where you would have created your Windows 8.1 installer.
This file allows the Windows 8 upgrade/install to proceed without asking for a key. When the install is finished, then it asks for the key.
It is only at THIS point can you then insert your proper Windows 8 key (that you PAID FOR) and interestingly enough...Windows 8.1 accepts it at this point,
and that's it. You're done. You now have a properly upgraded Windows 8.1, that is fully activated...
(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/9170/g6o1.jpg)
Dunno why Windows 8.1 disrespecting my CPU speed, but meemselfcare. :laughing7:
Arcmanov 1 - Microkia 0
*sigh*
Oh Microkia...why doth thou test me so? I want to like you...I really do,
sometimes your decision-making just BOGGLES the mind. The level of stupidity involved in designing this
particular upgrade process borders on the infinite. I get that its a way to try and block the pirates, but again...OMFG dan.
(http://i500.listal.com/image/3170273/500full.jpg)
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Wow!
Feeling for you there buddy. All I did was hit the upgrade button from within the windows store (yes... the dreadful ui) and voila. No excess questions or prompt for my windows key.
My experience was simpler than my transition to Win 7 SP1.
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^^Yeah, me too, did it last night, took about half hour.
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Half an hour? Nah, you jivin me son.
I feel Microkia probably know how much ah does cuss dem, and did this JUST to f@#k with me.
The only reason my gaming rig have Windows 8 on it is because all the games I play tend to run best (or only) on it.
Sometimes I wonder if it's really worth all this hassle.
Oh well...all will be forgotten once Battlefield 4 launches. :laughing7:
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Thought id chime in.
On my surface device, the upgrade was seamless, click go and that was it.
But on my beast machine, not so much.
Question (arc, did u run all windows updates before trying the store? Cause I've seen if u don't update windows before 8.1 upgrade, it gives issues).
That aside, I tried to install 8.1 RTM (before the official store release), and it seems like a driver or something was conflicting with 8.1, because after the upgrade, and it try to boot into windows, it would bluescreen, and after 3 consecutive bluescreens, it would roll-back the update and put me back in windows 8.0. Tried removing what think it is, and upgrading my drivers to whatever 8.1 was available at the time, but no joy.
So instead of spending time troubleshooting further, I say screw it, and just did a fresh install using an 8.1 key.
Whole process to get back up and running with all apps and settings configured was like 40 minutes. So not too bad.
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Just out of curiousity messiah, you have access to discounted 8.1 keys? Not teef pirate ting I mean legit.
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8.1 Was released to Microsoft Partners about 2 months now, so I been running it for a while. Each (MS Certified) person in my company gets 5-10 keys of every product MS release. So technically, me personally, don't pay for any Microsoft software on any of my machines.
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That is a sweet deal. Black friday is my last hope then. Sorry arc, for duttying up yuh thread with Microkia propaganda. Ill stop now lmao.
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Yes, very sweet, especially considering is access to all MS software, i.e. (Server 2012, Office, Visual Studio, ... everything.) And yea, we should probably stop now before Arcman walk outside and kick ah chicken or something.
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That is a sweet deal. Black friday is my last hope then. Sorry arc, for duttying up yuh thread with Microkia propaganda. Ill stop now lmao.
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I get that its a way to try and block the pirates
This!!
The upgrade worked seemless for me...as Arcmanov knows all too well because I posted him blow by blow screenshots of the process in the GATT whatsapp group. lol
/me rubs salt in wound.
Pirates and buccaneers need not apply.
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Too late...
That 'wound' has been sewn closed by my 1337 efforts...so you can take that salt and go season some fish. :)
(http://www.dumpaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/haters-gonna-hate.jpg)
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lol, you can't take back all those man hours you spent "hacking" to achieve what the rest of us did in a mere 30 minutes.
Lihixxxxxxxxxxxxx
Fire ah go blaze!
fi all dem evil wayz!!
for de rest of their dayz!!!
Walk the narrow road boy Arc...turn from the dark side.
Tell Microsoft you're sorry for all the years of debauchery
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Who is this 'rest of us' that you speak of? A hot 3 or 4 people?
Go on Microkia forums and see how much other people getting the same problem. Them 'evil' too?
At the end of the day...I achieved what I set out to do...and learned something valuable in the process.
...and look I shared that knowledge here...so ent it probably happen for a reason?
I also now have a (legit) Windows 8.1 iso that I can install at any time. How much 8.1 iso YOU have? :laughing7:
(http://www.captionite.com/templates/thumb-gtfo_smile.jpg)
Thank you kindly. :)
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I guarantee you that more people installed the update without issue than those who did run into trouble.
100%
VASTLY more
Carry on smartly! Welcome to the world of legit widows owners!
The last of the buccaneers. HooRah!
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I can co-sign Wyatt statement, all d polls on the various sites I see, the percentage of smooth upgrades was dramatically higher.
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I'm not saying no. Go back and read what I said.
People with run-of-the-mill PCs had no issues. The majority of those with issues were the ones with enthusiast-level gaming rigs. A lot of those people simply gave up (like Messiaah self) and did a fresh install of Windows 8.1 itself from an iso.
I'm willing to bet money that out of all the Windows 8 users, only a very small fraction of those run enthusiast-level hardware...so of COURSE the number of 'smooth' upgrades will be skewed heavily in favor of the 'regular' PC owners.
That information means nothing to the many, MANY legit Windows 8 users who still tearing their hair out all now trying to upgrade from the Windows Store and hitting a brick wall.
If they don't use the method I detailed above, do you know what the alternative is...?
I'll tell you...
Microkia expects retail users to purchase a new Windows 8.1 key.
That's right...buy the OS a SECOND time because of a deeply flawed upgrade process.
How is that even REMOTELY fair? :(
Oh the 'Microsoft partners' could get it free...but what about the rest of us?
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The rest of you? simple, yuh screwed lolol.
But like you said, this affect the very small minority.
Most of the users with enthusiast PCs could find a solution regardless. because they should be tech savy enough to do so.
If i didnt have access to a free 8.1 key, i would have gone through the same hoops as you, even though my issue was different, since i was trying to upgrade from an 8.1 iso from the offset. My issue was really simple, a driver was bluescreening it, i suspect its the firmware, because it have no windows 8.1 version of it for my board yet. So i left it off after the format, cuase every time i try to install the 8.0 version, it say not compatible. So my upgrade actually work, but i encounter other issues. In any event, the enthusiast crowd should be able to work around these issues as we have been doing for years.
The General Population is what MS shoudl be worried about, and for once in they life, Microsoft got a windows update right.......lol.
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Well, that's where our opinions part ways because for me, this upgrade has been anything but 'right'.
You self had to abandon the upgrade...for whatever reason. I call those 'issues'.
...but I understand now why you feel compelled to bat for Microkia so much. :)
Carry on smartly.
At this stage of the game, there shouldn't be all these 'issues' just to install what is essentially a Service Pack.
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But arc you self. As a man in IT for so long, if any update could satisfy 95% of the target machines...that is a success.
Bashing for bashing sake. Go through hard.
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O gorsh, when i say they finally get it right, i talking bout the general consumer.
We already establish that enthusiasts screwed for the most part.
Whiles typing this, wyatt basically post what i was going to type lolol.
This upgrade is a huge success.
And you know what funny? Microsoft Corporate treating this as a whole new version of windows.
Same applies for Server 2012 R2 (which is the 8.1 for 2012).
So getting that upgrade right for 95% of target machines, when dealing with a ginormous install base, simultaneously all over the world, ah mean come on. They did good, they did extremely good.
And any I.T. company that servicing a variety of clients that aint a MS partner, doing something wrong lolol.
We is partners with a range of ppl, from vmware go back. It dont influence my love for MS.
Good products does. (It's why i cuss hotmail and went full gmail for years, until they step up they game and fix hotmail, now i hate gmail.) But think whatever makes you feel more comfortable lol.
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Right...right.
I HAVE to look at it from an end-user standpoint. Is my money spend, breds. How much Windows 8 license you buy?
You is one a de BEST spin-doctor in existence, yes. :laughing7:
Take win... 'Microsoft comes through once again'. :laughing7:
Kamla need to hire you. Where Ashie?
Whatever, yes. Lets leave this discussion here...the saga continues.
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Ah buy 2 Surface Pros, so that makes 2 Licenses Purchased :laughing7:
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ARIO...I couldn't help it...I caved and got the G440 (http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G440-Hard-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B00DY1HTU6/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1383264232&sr=1-1&keywords=Logitech+G440)...
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4171/p7eb.jpg)
(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3037/mriw.jpg)
All I can say is WOW...the Razer Destructor pad I've used since 2009 has officially been replaced.
This thing will make LOVE to your Logitech gaming mice. :awesome:
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2530/tcc5.jpg)
Logitech did their homework with this one. The G700s and the G602 work perfectly on it, with zero tracking issues, or lag.
...and that surface...omg...a perfect match to the teflon feet on G-series mice. Perfectly tuned for rapid, high-DPI mouse movements.
It goes without saying that if you own a Logitech G-series mouse, you'll probably want to get one of these.
The Amazon reviews extol the virtues of this pad better than I ever could.
Arcmanov Approved! :icon_thumleft:
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What about the cloth one though? Used a cloth pad in the past and it was great.
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Right?! It is a dream to use.
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Never used a cloth pad, nor would I want to. Too much friction for fast-paced, high-DPI FPS gaming.
This hard pad allows the mouse to glide on it like a hockey puck.
Night and day difference between this and the Razer Destructor.
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I was a huge advocate for hard mouse pads. They are fantastic
But for some strange reason a steel series cloth pad made its way into my house.
It has performed on par with the hard pads and is now my go to surface for gaming.
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So...my Asus router died two days ago.
Ironically...I was playing a particularly intense round of Battlefield 4 on Paracel Storm when it happened.
Initially I thought...'oh well, maybe the server crashed again'...and then noticed that no pages were loading after that.
Imagine my dismay when I went to reboot the router and realized all LEDs were off. :(
Serious troubleshooting commenced, but to no avail. That sucker was deader than disco.
Tried other adapters with similar voltage ratings but nothing worked. Went to Sham's and they verified that the adapter
was indeed working, and producing the correct voltage/current output.....
OK...time to kick things up a notch.
Decided to open the router and spied a 'domed' capacitor on the power-supply circuit...
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-dB5TYklLKao/Unso_v68-NI/AAAAAAAAK_E/gnyCuva0eII/w1285-h964-no/20131107_014450.jpg)
You may not be able to see it clearly, but just compare the top of the purple cap with the other two close by.
It turns out that this is a particular malady that can affect that very Asus RT-N16 model. I was VERY happy to get the
EXACT specced cap replacement by Sham's.
One serious piece of soldering later...
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5nqEVA5Ou_U/Unw2_FX6uqI/AAAAAAAALCQ/hXuPrubWJjk/w1285-h964-no/20131107_132808.jpg)
It LIIIIIIVESSSSSS! :banana:
Fellow RT-N16 owners...be warned.
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Battlefield so intense it crashing routers and all yes.
gg no re
@ arc, I've seen many swollen and busted capacitors in my time but that purple one looked perfectly fine in the first pic.
Your eyes are really sharp to notice something was odd there.
Well played
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My recent War Thunder shenanigans...
http://youtu.be/Co_9hcaLMZA
As always, watch in 1080p. :happy0203:
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Uh...that looks pretty sucky and booring bro.
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...to you perhaps, but to flight-sim aficionados, heaven can wait. :)
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...and as I say that, here's some more high-flying hi-jinks, courtesy Ace Combat... :laughing7:
http://youtu.be/n0zshWERULk
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Uh...that looks pretty sucky and booring bro.
I watch this video every time I need to go to bed early and get a good nights rest.
(kidding! kidding!)
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Upgrades for the HTPC...
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Q4l8fedRpOo/Up_leckcaeI/AAAAAAAALW0/jHbaCFg8rKk/w665-h1181-no/20131204_223105.jpg)
New case and cooler (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,18565.msg307708.html#msg307708).
It's slowly morphing into a mini gaming rig in its own right. :)
The Cooler Master Seidon 120M cooler works perfectly. Average full load temp of 55C on a quad-core Core i5 3470. I'm impressed.
Plenty overclocking headroom there. (I won't because it's not totally necessary (yet :happy0203: ).
I will however be throwing a GTX 760 in there as soon as I can afford it...upping its gaming pedigree substantially.
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Now THIS is interesting (as opposed to the flight vids...*sic*)
Been planning to put together a rig like this to replace my current HTPC setup but an xbox one / ps4 costs the same and it maybe given priority.
Decisions decisions.
Seeing as you already have a gaming rig, would you throw down on that high end graphics card for this box over a nextgen console?
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...would you throw down on that high end graphics card for this box over a nextgen console?
Hell yes...a GTX 760 is 'only' two-fiddy (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DHW4HS4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER).
The ONLY thing them new consoles have on this box is exclusive games....that's IT.
This doing everything them doing, and then some...and I could still grab it and go by anybody
with a HDTV and run madd games on it. The keyword here is 'versatility'. :)
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Full agree with Arcman here. Was planning to use my Xbox for the center of the living room, and get couch coop games for that. But the price them console games going for compared to steam games one sale, it makes zero sense. So I soon going to build a dedicated htpc gaming box for the living room. Xbox is solely for exclusives, and maybe Netflix and stuff like that.
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Now THIS is interesting (as opposed to the flight vids...*sic*)
...and hoss, two things:
1. Doh be on my flight vids.
2. See 1.
:laughing7:
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Interesting. Even though you already have a gaming rig???
For me, the decision won't be so easy. I won't have to buy a video card alone @ $250 by itself. Time you add case, cpu, ram, hdd, etc....the total price will be sky clear past that of an xbox one or PS4
If I am already going to buy a console (like in Messiaah's case, just for the exclusives) would definitely want it doing HTPC duty.
And save spending that extra $$
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Even though I have a gaming rig, it not usefriendly enough for htpc/gaming duties use. Currently I have a long ass HDMI cable run. So when I not home, wife hadda put on receiver, set TV monitor to be primary, then launch steam to play...... or if I have xbmc open on another monitor, she hadda drag it across to TV and all that jazz. So I hooked up an old laptop to TV to serve htpc duties. So put on receiver, and xbmc just there all d time.
So for me I want a dedicated box to do HTCP/Gaming duties, to make it user friendly when I ain't home.
Xbox would serve that purpose if 2 things are present.
1. XBMC App
2. Cheap couch coop games.
Right now neither there. It go serve the Netflix/hullu/amazon prime purpose. But apparent from that, PC oui.
And I planning to build an htcp in the 700$ price range to serve. Not as cheap as an Xbox, but not outrageous either.
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Well I got a desk...for the great price of free.99... :happy0203:
(http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/3339/ijq9.jpg)
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how the hell did you get that??
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Boy...a friend of mine who runs a transport company overheard me saying I was 'looking for a desk' and mentioned that
he had a desk in his warehouse...shrink-wrapped, that a client of his wanted to literally dispose of because they bought new desks.
He offered to give it to me...yeah, jusso. He even had his guys drop it home for me.
Sometimes, the stars just align in your favour, and I am eternally grateful, because he literally saved me hundreds (if not thousands)
of dollars.
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wow! gg
santa claus comes in many disguises
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Upgrades to the HTPC.
GTX 760 in he waist...
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/1btL8MqpZ3wZpbmdlz-404e05-pG2mg-yyBOMrfPgPg=w458-h257-p-no)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/Po_q-BB4UrknTpBjc2O_ju8BJUIhXJXbo6hM-mvT2pc=w458-h257-p-no)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/dLz4b78e73Bh4tXKYx5GpjnBN2fg2dNpY0IXfOS9YpQ=w458-h257-p-no)
Battlefield 3 and 4 ain't looking half bad on the Samsung at all. :)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/e_8r-EmzkkeHR7tNHFaz3rimC8Zs90EGDoTX9gfIdpY=w432-h243-p-no)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/az_eDmrtZuLhmfP9UaqRpMG24sUHvAvUtn9mOwfBLOA=w432-h243-p-no)
The HTPC has evolved into a full-fledged gaming rig...
Cooler Master Elite 130
Gigabyte H77N-WIFI
Intel Core i5-3470
2 x 4GB G.Skill RipJaws F3-10666CL9-4GBRL (DDR3-1333)
EVGA GeForce GTX 760 (ACX)
Cooler Master Seidon 120M
Thermaltake 600W PSU
PS4?Xbone cyar come rong dat. :happy0203:
Also decided to upgrade my router one time.
Asus RT-N66U with the following antenna upgrades...
2 x Asus Omni WL-ANT-191
1 x Asus WL-ANT-157 Antenna
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/lEeMYXlWyf6Y9Oxh86iyr3ILGWopqpD74erhZn6p5D8=w459-h257-p-no)
Signal all down Penal now. :laughing7:
Of course I wasted no time upgrading Asus' already stellar firmware with the latest Tomato release,
which allows for even greater flexibility and more granular QoS control. Also for superior bandwidth monitoring tools.
...and why leave out the main rig? :)
Swapped out those 3 jet-engine Scythe fans for better performing, quieter Corsair SP120s
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/5SYeEkh5HBSxN0t8EVSPyPirKQxLalvVdyQRJO9Xpkc=w137-h243-p-no)
These fans boast better static pressure than the higher-rpm Scythe fans, and are able to maintain the same amount
of cooling performance at a lower maximum speed. Easier on the ears too. :ko:
The evolution continues.....
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looking good arc!
Nice specs on the HTPC,similar to mine,which is almost done.Awaiting Fractal Design Node 605 Case.
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HTPC benchmarks...
3DMark11: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7695757?
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5601/m8hr.jpg)
Fire Strike: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/1904244
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5321/mck8.jpg)
Now you have an idea what this kind of config is capable of.
Granted...it's significantly more expensive than a PS4/Xbone, but you get all the added flexibility that a PC provides.
...and oh yeah...no 'upscaling' here. 1080p all day baby. :laughing7:
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pity we can't run 3dmark on an xbox or ps4 for an apples to apples comparison
What was the final price on this HTPC arc?
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Cooler Master Elite 130 (http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Elite-130-Mini-ITX/dp/B00DRA4F06/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1387649753&sr=8-2&keywords=Cooler+Master+Elite+130) - $
190 50 US
Gigabyte H77N-WIFI (http://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GA-H77N-WIFI-LGA1155-Mini-ITX-Motherboard/dp/B00DMLPAUY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1387649694&sr=8-3&keywords=h77n-wifi) - $110 US
Intel Core i5-3470 (http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Core-i5-3470-Quad-Core-Processor/dp/B0087EVHVW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387649643&sr=8-1&keywords=3470) - $190 US
2 x 4GB G.Skill RipJaws F3-10666CL9-4GBRL (DDR3-1333) (http://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-Ripjaws-240-Pin-PC3-10666-F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL/dp/B002X578GE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387649937&sr=8-1&keywords=G.Skill+RipJaws+F3-10666CL9-4GBRL) - $90 US
EVGA GeForce GTX 760 (ACX) (http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Dual-Link-Graphics-02G-P4-2763-KR/dp/B00DHW4HS4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1387650007&sr=8-3&keywords=EVGA+GeForce+GTX+760) - $250 US
Cooler Master Seidon 120M (http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Cooling-Heatsink-Radiator/dp/B009SJR3GS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1387649771&sr=8-2&keywords=Cooler+Master+Seidon) - $65 US
Hitachi TravelStar 500 GB (http://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-Travelstar-5K750-HTS547550A9E384-0J11561/dp/B0075WAEMU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387650686&sr=8-1&keywords=Hitachi+HTS547550A9E384) - (bought locally) $65 US
Thermaltake 600W PSU - (bought locally) about 750 TT (approx 116 US)
That comes to about 1075 935 US without shipping/Customs fees, etc. Those costs, plus the Windows 8.1 license, push the costs even further.
Again...quite a bit more expensive, but PC enthusiasts already knew that. :laughing7:
However, it's more versatile, instantly upgradeable, just as portable, and several orders of magnitude more powerful than the consoles.
Lets not even talk about the plethora of different peripherals I can connect to it with nary a mod in sight.
I can also transfer my entire Steam/Origin library to this rig, and run every single game within them and not have to worry about
draconian DRM intentionally cockblocking my efforts at every turn.
What's not to like? :)
Little mistake on the case price there. Its been corrected.
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Washtenaw Technical Middle College!
So we talking about US$1400 - 1500 after all and sundry charges???
That is a bit rich boy arc.
got damn
I want to try an HTPC for xboxone money....say $499 before shipping and duty.
But since Santa pass with the nexus already....that will be a 2014 project
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Mistake on the case price. Fixed.
Should be more like 1100 US...but you get what you pay for (although you could buy both consoles for that).
I guess I should stop calling it a 'HTPC' now ent? :laughing7:
You can build a HTPC for 499 US, but it'll be VERY basic.
The only 'gaming' that doing is Minesweeper. :laughing7:
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lol @ minesweeper
nah man, I am expecting a very capable box @ that $499.99
DOTA 2 and Trine 2 level performance
Good for those co-op steam games.
Will put together something in writing. Scavenging components from the trading grounds and spare parts from around the shop should help me hit that figure easy enough without too many compromises.
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Will put together something in writing. Scavenging components from the trading grounds and spare parts from around the shop should help me hit that figure easy enough without too many compromises.
Well yeah if you buying some used parts to mix up, the overall cost will be way lower.
The htpc i recently built come up to $2575TT and is very capable of some good 1080p gaming. Mix of new and used parts of course :D
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What were the specs and prices attained?
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I think i can trump you guys on savings
Intel i5 3470 Ivy Bridge OEM $500 (brand new)
Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H $600 (bought used)
8 GB Samsung DDR3 Memory $280 (brand new)
500 GB Hitachi HDD $300 (brand new)
Imexx Aftermarket CPU Cooler $75 (brand new)
Thermaltake TR2 600W PSU $400 (brand new)
Only thing that's gonna buttrape me is my case.
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This fixation with cases allyuh have. Just throw the damn parts in ah ole case and done. Or brand new super power case... 199$ TT.
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Shut up, phone ho...
De same way you like phone...we like case.
(http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0806/gtfo-demotivational-poster-1214551286.jpg)
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$2155 Rusty and counting.
No GPU? or you planning on going with the integrated?
Also @Spaz, US$50 for a mini itx case isn't bad at all. Being small and light, the shipping isn't outlandish.
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$2155 Rusty and counting.
No GPU? or you planning on going with the integrated?
Also @Spaz, US$50 for a mini itx case isn't bad at all. Being small and light, the shipping isn't outlandish.
The integrated hd gpu on those ivy bridge cpus pretty good for some gaming at 720p.
Anyhow mine goes like this:
AMD Phenom II x6 1045T 2.7ghz hex core cpu - $400 used
Asrock N68-VS3-FX micro atx board - $200 used
Stock AMD heatpiped HSF - $0 used (came with cpu)
2 x 4GB Corsair Vengeance 1600MHz DDR3 - $300 new
Hitachi 1TB 7200RPM sata2 hdd - $400 new
Samsung 22x DVDRW sata - $125 new
Generic-ish micro atx case with 500w psu - $200 new
$1625
Was getting an EVGA GTX 660 from a friend used for $700 but unfortunately with the 6 pin plug being on the long side of the card, the side panel for the case won't go on with it plugged in :(
Will run a GT 210 card with hdmi out till i find a suitable replacement.
Total with the card would've been $2325
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^nice vengeance.
yea @ integrated, gonna be a dedicated HTPC,so no gaming,got my main pc and arcade builds for that.Got some 3TB drives coming in as well. The cost of the case included with shipping gonna cost more than the mc build yes :|
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impressive price points you guys achieved there. Inspiration for my HTPC Steam Machine.
Arc, line me up with a bess price on the cooler master 120!
I'm going to want a decent GPU in mine though, can't get away with the integrated options to qualify as a decent Steam Machine after all.
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The timing of this article (http://techreport.com/blog/25821/goodbye-consoles) is rather noteworthy. :)
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Same thing we have been saying all along
but this is where I want to challenge the prevailing wisdom
Up front, there's no question that buying a gaming PC is more expensive than getting the latest console. Once you factor in the cost of comparable hardware, a decent controller, and a Windows license (sorry, SteamOS just isn't there yet), it's hard to come anywhere close to the Xbone's $500 price tag, let alone the PS4's $400 sticker. PCs deliver a lot more flexibility—and often a lot more power—but you pay for it.
Just how much gaming bang can you have for your $499 bucks in an HTPC?
To be honest, cost has never really been a deciding factor for me. My home-theater gaming rigs have largely been cobbled together from old review hardware, so they've always been cheap to build.
As the author mentioned further along...his HTPCs have often been constructed from "hand me downs". This has long been the case for me and I am certain for many of us on GATT.
Which brings us right back to the HTPC SteamBox project. Can you put together a frankenstein mini gaming PC for US$499
I believe you can....boom bang.
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SSD in the MGR...
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7871/9j5m.jpg)
WEI score (which I didn't even know was removed (http://lifehacker.com/wei-tool-brings-the-windows-experience-index-back-to-wi-1484981203)) for the drive jumped from 5.8 to 8.05...
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7797/vl3n.png)
Comparison benchmarks...
HDD
(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/7743/5snt.png)
SSD
(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9491/hxdd.png)
This SSD has the latest 5.21 firmware. I read many reviews of poor performance with 5.06 firmware, but fortunately, this is no longer the case.
It also seems like this Kingston is a bit faster than the Corsair Force 3 in my main rig (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,11652.msg292265.html#msg292265) too.
Boot time has fallen to a very respectable 21 seconds. Arcmanov Approved. :icon_thumleft:
The evolution continues...
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impressive...most impressive
any tool to reveal the boottime?
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One of my favorite Dreamcast shooters FINALLY comes to Steam...
http://youtu.be/s5bEiH7z0RM
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All this lovely hardware, and no 250D to put it in. :(
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/42/pn3r.jpg)
Yeah, the MGR is migrating to new 'digs'...
http://youtu.be/GdzsEXr2Kq8
Why? Like I need a reason. :lol:
Actually...it blows the Cooler Master Elite 130 out of the water in just about every way possible.
Won't be getting it till next weekend though (bummer).
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Why? Like I need a reason. :lol:
Actually...it blows the Cooler Master Elite 130 out of the water in just about every way possible.
Lies, it's preference XP
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Well...it took a while, but I finally got it all in....
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/42/sc6e.jpg)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/843/zq94.jpg)
Everything fits...but only just.
It was said that Corsair designed this case for the H100i. Now I know why. It fits with millimetres to spare.
There is actually a LOT of space in front of the PSU for extra cables. An all-in-one kit could probably fit there
with two fans in push-pull.
Compared to the Cooler Master Elite 130, this thing is quiiiiiiiiiet.
I literally have to put my ear close to the case to hear the SP120s and the AF140 front fan running...even at max rpm.
The MGR has evolved again.
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Totally forgot about the kickass view from the top panel window...
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/06/y8avaze6.jpg)
Using Corsair Link...you can configure the pump's built-in LED to light up in a variety of colours, pulse, cycle, or even change colour according to CPU temp.
Didn't even know them Dominators had LEDs on em either. :icon_thumleft:
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I feel I passing by Arc house to take a look see with me own eyes.
I'll even bring my own mini rig with me for comparison...
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Oh my god. This is absolutely beautiful. Time to sell my prodigy.
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The Prodigy is nice...but it ain't got nothing on da two-fiddy D. :lol:
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I feel I passing by Arc house to take a look see with me own eyes.
I'll even bring my own mini rig with me for comparison...
Good. Tell meh when both ah allyuh together in the same place with allyuh rig. I'll come too...with transport..because reasons.
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Now that Arc de advisor point me here, I can't help but feel... emulous. Once i get my board and do a size up i'll know if to upgrade the case to the Corsair 250D.
Even though out of the box the AMD A10-7850K APU supports onboard GPU out of the box, can the Geforce GTX 550Ti fit in this case? Tch.. i'll have to do what you did and stick to my budget and get it up and running before I go Lee Majors on it. :D
If this case is the bomb, consider the CM 120 case up for sale. ;)
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The Cooler Master cases can fit GPUs up to a Nvidia Titan in size, so they will more than accommodate a 550Ti.
... and yeah, the 250D puts them cases to shame with volume, and features.
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For those of you wondering how the campaign missions work...here's one of them...
http://youtu.be/Lh8XNROzKqk
Basically one of the game modes with the story elements 'happening' all around you.
I have to admit, its rather clever.
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Small upgrades.....
New SSD in the AGR :happy0203:
Samsung 840 Series 250 GB SSD
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/835/q0z3.jpg)
Yes...Western Digital Velociraptor drive caddies make for EXCELLENT SSD adapters...now you know. :laughing7:
Compared to the Corsair Force III it replaced, it's a tad faster, but its bigger...
(http://imageshack.com/a/img836/7275/nq1y.jpg) (http://imageshack.com/a/img838/3347/0xc1.jpg)
...and if you have a 'brand name' case...you're definitely going to want a set of these custom external filters (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=28942)...
(http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/demciflex/HAFX_01.jpg)
(http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/demciflex/HAFX_02.jpg)
(http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/demciflex/HAFX_03.jpg)
(http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/demciflex/HAFX_04.jpg)
(http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/demciflex/HAFX_05.jpg)
They're basically filters ringed by a magnetic border that attaches very cleanly to the outside
of your case. The filters themselves are made of a very fine mesh that traps dust WAYYY better
than the stock ones in the case can...and now I don't have to open the case again for dust maintenance. HOO-RAH!
Click here to learn more... :laughing7: http://www.demcifilter.com/
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Nice plug on the custom filters, got me some measuring to do to get the specs for the CM 120 Elite. Wyatt, you go measure up too!!!
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I can't believe this stellar new game doesn't have its own thread yet...
http://youtu.be/uf2iE1nqpj0
http://youtu.be/sku_8o6m9Kg
Get this game if you're even REMOTELY into racing. It won't disappoint.
Generally, it feels more like Race Driver: GRID than GRID 2, and that's a GOOD thing,
as GRID 2 seemed a little too arcadey for me. Autosport leans more on the simulation side of the line.
One thing to note: the EGO engine that powers this game will absolutely MURDA your GPU(s).
If you know you have issues with airflow, I'd advise not running this game unless you're sure
that your graphics-card is getting LOTS of cooler air. Even with my AC on I'm still seeing temps of 70C and above
while running this, but then I have most of the settings cranked up. YMMV of course. :)
Don't walk...RUN and get this one.
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Nothing new...just fooling around with some benchies today. :)
http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/5080003
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8565897
http://www.3dmark.com/sd/2259808
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2515207
Interesting how I still can't touch some a dem top scores eh.
Big money = big performance
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Interesting how I still can't touch some a dem top scores eh.
Big money = big performance
Nuh all the time. Sometimes is 'mad skills = big performance'
:mellow:
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True, but 'mad skills' could only take you so far, before yuh hadda 'jump out' again for better shit. :)
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Awww sheeit... :happy0203:
http://youtu.be/6ZKUBhB9vso
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Ah yesss...glorious evolution.... :happy0203:
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/537/mdQXwc.jpg)
http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/5131358
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8821499
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/4329626
As tempting as the new X99 platform is, it'll just have to wait on me for a little longer...probably till 2016. :)
(That MSI X99 board is so SEXY though :ko: )
Can't argue with such a substantial jump in performance on the CPU and GPU fronts.
Unfortunately, it seems like my motherboard doesn't have the necessary power-phases to push his particular CPU to anything past 4.2 GHz.
I'm actually getting hard crash-reboots, as opposed to BSODs, which tells me that there's a power delivery issue there somewhere at higher frequencies,
which is to be expected, as this 3930K is substantially more power-hungry than the 3820. I'm happy with it as is...it's rock-solid stable at 4.2 GHz (yes, I tested the f@#K out of it :) ).
Performance immc.
(http://img.pandawhale.com/post-23470-Jeremiah-Johnson-nod-cropped-g-jtcK.gif)
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Arcmanov Approved. :happy0203:
http://youtu.be/lYu9VWu67qw
(and no, I don't have the Crossover anymore. It sell arready :) )
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Arcmanov Approved. :happy0203:
http://youtu.be/lYu9VWu67qw
(and no, I don't have the Crossover anymore. It sell arready :) )
Yeah but $500us for it on amazon.
It have this for a lil cheaper: http://www.amazon.com/PB278Q-27-Inch-LED-lit-Professional-Graphics/dp/B009C3M7H0/ref=pd_sim_pc_9?ie=UTF8&refRID=06EFTYQMX0ANEY75BHFF
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Yikes.
Got it from eBay though, where monitors tend to be a bit cheaper (sometimes). Don't know why, but I wasn't complaining. :)
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Well i thought u was just posting a review which is why i compared it to an amazon alternative.
I think i read about a new version of Firestrike which caters to owners of 2560 x 1440 monitors, you should run a bench and see how your system really performing at that res.
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Is that so?
I'll give it a spin later, before I take apart that cooling loop.
Yes folks, the time has come to face that particular demon.....maintenance. :(
After noticing some alarming load temps, and some 'consultation', I have decided to dismantle the loop...drain it and flush it.
I may even take the Rasa CPU block completely to ensure there's no buildup.
Something is impeding the loop, and I aim to find it.
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OK i misread the firestrike thing.
The Firestrike extreme renders up to 1440p, the Firestrike Ultra (the new one) tests at 4k resolutions.
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So I took the CPU block apart, and found this...
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/30/b58b39624a1053d1ee701b3d9df8137f.jpg)
Totally gunked up.
That explains the load temps I'm getting.
Cleaning time...
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So one cooling loop rebuild later...
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/908/iZaFSc.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/p8iZaFScj)
Temps are down 10C across the board.
Average load temp is a very respectable 75C...down from the alarmingly high 86-88C I was seeing before.
Got rid of the original XSPC tubing, and went with a more flexible set (http://www.performance-pcs.com/masterkleer-hose-pvc-15-9-12-7mm-1-2-id-clear-3-3m-10ft-retail-package.html#Details).
Also, instead of using the Feser One coolant I used before, I ended up using this (http://www.performance-pcs.com/swiftech-hydrx-coolant.html)added to distilled water. Works out way cheaper.
Took the opportunity to put in a nice new LED fan too. :)
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/30/6c3cead346166b485135ced9214ffe43.jpg)
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Well i thought u was just posting a review which is why i compared it to an amazon alternative.
I think i read about a new version of Firestrike which caters to owners of 2560 x 1440 monitors, you should run a bench and see how your system really performing at that res.
Fire Strike Extreme...
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/4554598
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Well yuh get some good advice on d cleaning dey. (100)
75 degrees kinda high to me, then again is a hex core u have dey and most games doh max out the cpu really.
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The journey to X99 starts with a single step...
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/673/9hHR9z.jpg)
Big tings a gwan in 2015. :happy0203:
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You are a disgusting person, sir. Truly, you are!
is 32GB RAM you buy in ONE SHOT????
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:lol:
Nah, is only 4 x 4GB.
I've been monitoring the price in cart every day for MONTHS, and it just happened to drop down to 180 US (from 299 US), so of course I grabbed it one time.
Have you SEEN the prices of these DDR4 kits? Preposterous. (Especially the Corsair ones)
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Price of newness homie
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Tell me about it.
At least the mobo and CPU prices real stable so I could grab those anytime ah geh da morney. :)
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Evolution... :happy0203:
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/540/oQOrcS.jpg)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/537/fr6qAM.jpg)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/673/vWMFAx.jpg)
Decided to take the plunge and acquire the MSI X99S SLI Plus and the Haswell Core i7 5820K one time.
Threw em up on the test bench (with an almost 'ancient' GeForce 9800 GT).
Already whipped the 5820K into shape at a stable 4.3 GHz (at 1.35V vcore), which seems to be these hexa-core CPUs' sweet spot.
Anything above that requires a vcore setting that the Corsair Hydro H80i is not prepared to cope with. The heat output is just too great.
Max load temp sits squarely at 80C, which I anticipated with this cooler. I have no doubt that the triple-rad in my main system will be able to properly tame that beast.
The only thing keeping me from swapping everything in, is the thought of re-installing Windows, and the myriad amount of apps (of which I've long lost count).
Not to mention all them bloody games.
I'm thinking of doing a 'dirty upgrade' of sorts...where I simply slap everything in, and let the current Windows installation autodetect everything that it can,
and then install all the relevant X99 chipset and device drivers. It's not pretty, but I've done it before, and sometimes it works. Sometimes. :(
(I'll have to make a proper backup image of my OS drive before attempting such an endeavour.)
(http://www.technologytell.com/gadgets/files/2014/07/1bhf_zpsd1c89c51.jpg)
Let the games begin...
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Well since noone eh ask yet, what u gonna do with the lga 2011 stuff?
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I may very well keep those parts to make up a proper, high-end test bench, and sell the current test bench CPU/mobo (4670K/ Gigabyte Z87)
Here's a direct comparison of both configs... http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/3954746/fs/3006795
The 5820K @ 4.3 GHz still manages to beat the 3930K @ 4.4 GHz, with all other settings (well, except RAM speed/timings) identical.
I expect the new gear to perform a LOT better if I reinstall Windows from scratch, but who has time for that?
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I expect the new gear to perform a LOT better if I reinstall Windows from scratch, but who has time for that?
Well i use a usb stick to reinstall windows and an available ssd makes it a go a lot faster as well.
Some of the tools you use to make a USB windows install allows you to create unattended setups as well. When u playing ur BF4 windows go be installing in d backgrong normal.
Unless u were being sarcastic.
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Looking real good arc. I must say my inner "holic" kinna dying these days but yours very much alive and well. I'm looking at a skylake upgrade this year or possibly a cannonlake next year.
In the mean time though what you got there looks to be an absolute monster.
But hard, windows installing in the background while playing battlefield? I want to know how to do that lol.
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Well i use a usb stick to reinstall windows and an available ssd makes it a go a lot faster as well.
Some of the tools you use to make a USB windows install allows you to create unattended setups as well. When u playing ur BF4 windows go be installing in d backgrong normal.
Unless u were being sarcastic.
I'm not referring to the speed of the OS install itself, but the downtime required to reinstall every app, every game, every setting that exists now.
It would take me at least two weeks to fully reinstall everything and have the system dialed in to my satisfaction.
As luck would have it...the 'transplant' went better than I expected. :mellow:
Windows 8.1 simply detected all new devices. All I had to do was install the X99 chipset drivers, and re-install the Nvidia drivers.
System running nice and stable 'like fuss time'. :lol:
The best part? The CPU waterblock went on without a hitch, as physically, it's the exact same socket,
and the max load temp @ 4.3 GHz (with hyperthreading) is a quite respectable 68-70C...down from 80C. As expected.
...and so...the rig has evolved again.
The saga continues. :)
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Looking real good arc. I must say my inner "holic" kinna dying these days but yours very much alive and well. I'm looking at a skylake upgrade this year or possibly a cannonlake next year.
In the mean time though what you got there looks to be an absolute monster.
But hard, windows installing in the background while playing battlefield? I want to know how to do that lol.
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Well i meant play a game on one of the other systems while reinstalling the OS on this new rig nah.
The kinda systems this man have i sure games could run on any other besides the 'beast' pc.
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Arc selling drugs. I am convinced now. (Cause he clearly run out of sellable organs now!)
I could barely afford to shell out US$225 just to upgrade my video card and CPU cooler.
This man pelt out a US$600 normal normal to upgrade he board and cpu, then talking about keeping the stuff he replaced (Which was a set a morney too) as a "test bench"....
One day, I will have such glory...
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Arc selling drugs. I am convinced now. (Cause he clearly run out of sellable organs now!)
I could barely afford to shell out US$225 just to upgrade my video card and CPU cooler.
This man pelt out a US$600 normal normal to upgrade he board and cpu, then talking about keeping the stuff he replaced (Which was a set a morney too) as a "test bench"....
One day, I will have such glory...
Lol.
Dem 'enthusiasts' dem eh. :lol:
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Well, what can I say...this is my only real vice. Some people spend a LOT more on car...or alcohol...or DRUGS. :laughing7:
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'Found' a new Stardock app called DeskScapes, and as a result, I am no longer using static backgrounds... :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3RhvD9j9A8
You can literally use any wmv file to create an animated background.
Guess which game I HAD to fire up and make my own? :happy0203:
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DiRT Rally and Project CARS...sweet lordie...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJEXHZKr5a8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXKnraWC4y8
Please...no more racing goodness for 2015... I can't TAKE IT!!! :laughing7:
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So long I haven't updated this thread.
No new hardware (yet), but Battlefront looking well spiffy... :)
https://youtu.be/myDvi2LjFv0
https://youtu.be/lkhufoQ6ACs
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Upgrades (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TGIVZTW)... :happy0203:
Beastly performance on deck...
(http://imageshack.com/a/img907/6056/bnQESL.png)
Basically...if your motherboard has an M.2 slot...you're gonna want one of these. :icon_thumleft:
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*sniff sniff*
I just love the smell of new PC parts in the morning...
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20151225/837318b5eb9cde06c2e9d2723454c7bf.jpg)
Santa came through. :)
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Livin dat WQHD, 144 Hz, IPS, G-Sync life... :happy0203:
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/907/7nTqEq.jpg)
https://youtu.be/_LTHr96NueA
When you've gamed at 144 Hz with zero input lag, or screen-tearing...you won't go back to 60 Hz.
(Thank you eBay)
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I'm a little shocked that it's not a Z170 board and a i7 6700k...
What have you done with Arc?
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That would actually be a downgrade at this point.
.....and have you SEEN the prices of a 6700K!? :lol:
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Ah yes...the parts for my pending MGR upgrade have finally started arriving...
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160303/f8f7bf55e29f164ba3cc66a7310c6398.jpg)
Just waiting on that sweet Define Nano S...
https://youtu.be/91dl2_olSqU
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Meanwhile, on the main rig...
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160304/5af150d723e5e250d452e3b7b0cf4cca.jpg)
Master Race keyboard on deck.
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And so...the MGR has evolved again. New digs.
Before...
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160305/c21af883de32b5b1d5b8a16dee4fcb67.jpg)
After...
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160305/14fc5c87fd5318fe2c33667a698fe77e.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160305/fbb741f9bc6fd69d264c2cfad6d6fddb.jpg)
The Fractal Design Define Nano S is a real joy to work in. It has all of the benefits of small form factor, with none of the compromises.
If anything the PSU was almost too large, so any potential buyers, keep that in mind if considering this case.
Of course, by no means is the Corsair 250D a bad case, but I just think the Nano S makes better use of space in the traditional ATX layout.
Next step...install some NZXT Hue+ RGB lighting...if I can ever get one. The thing is never in stock. :(
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Recently got my hands on a sweeeeeet EVGA SLI bridge...
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160321/79a8a66afe4452f5381962510ade3f36.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160321/b2449bc1c50b269d3ee904fd6817f993.jpg)
Only learned after I got it that it lights up.
Sadly my cards aren't on that very short compatibility list.
Not a problem...my side fan would block it anyway. :)
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Not an 'evolution' by any means, but damn...it looks hot.
Masterrace lighting brought to you by NZXT. :)
https://youtu.be/YJ0bYI0bC0k
https://youtu.be/BAIQd-IIZrA
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Not an 'evolution' by any means, but damn...it looks hot.
Masterrace lighting brought to you by NZXT. :)
light-induced epileptic fits confirmed...
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lol @ master race lighting
10/10, would bang again
That earn a sub and a thumbs up
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Putting that 3DMark leaderboard on notice...and this is BEFORE the GTX 1070s reach... :)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img923/3761/yxbK68.jpg)
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8479277
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impressive, I waiting to catch the requisite trading grounds posts
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Masterrace cooling, brought to you by EKWB...
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160806/497afa4551f95282d854209a49153c76.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160806/4ff67d2b6c1f63e74a85bba77f80a4ff.jpg)
Good ol HAF-X yes...anything fitting.
Already seeing an improvement of 4C overall at max load. It easily matches and/or exceeds the performance of the Rasa custom loop it replaced...with a smaller rad.
Amazing.
Also, soon..... :)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160806/a85c350632ef69fb811ca88b7f299c6e.jpg)
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impressive, most impressive.
I still waiting for the hand me downs, pre-dibs from now through 2020
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LMAO @ 'pre-dibs'
Well it's that time again.
Glorious evolution...
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/923/64gdNc.jpg)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/923/vLztGj.jpg)
Obligatory benchmarks incoming..... :happy0203:
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Quite impressive. Just out of curiosity, what's the average amount invested in these rigs?
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For the curious... http://pcpartpicker.com/list/bn7wcc
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Finally decided to move the rig into some more modern digs, befitting it's Master Race status... :)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/924/QQMJ4k.jpg)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/921/BvHhlQ.jpg)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/922/fNceLW.jpg)
I will admit...the Cooler Master HAF-X I've called 'home' for my rig since 2009 has been a real trooper,
seeing quite a few platform upgrades since I first started using it, but as performance has increased,
power-consumption has decreased, and I no longer have the need of such a monster case.
What can I say about the Phanteks Enthoo Pro...?
It's an absolute joy to build in. Aesthetically, it's certainly a step up from the HAF-X.
It does what it does quite well, albeit in a slightly smaller space. It could have benefited from
just an inch more up top, as I had to really manhandle that EK cooler to get it to fit...but it fit, with not a single mm to spare.
All-in-all, I'm pretty happy with how this upgrade turned out.
That's it for upgrades for 2016.....
Who am I kidding. :laughing7:
I'll be replacing/modding those GPU power cables with some black/grey cable extensions.
That ugly rainbow 24-pin PSU cable is getting the same treatment as well.
CableMod, here I come.
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Looking good man. Got the same case as well, it really is a breeze to work with. Been eyeing that same EK cooler but I think I'm good on upgrades for now.
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Let me warn you one time...if your motherboard has tall heatsinks above the CPU socket you'll have a devil of a time getting that cooler in there.
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CableMod PSU extensions added...and Gundam for security... :)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161006/32674bfd25ff37aa2ae0cc73bf31fffd.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161006/32186eaa17101630efc0498d558761c0.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161006/68c59219d7b54085160f7aecaa3b8184.jpg)
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lol @ gundam for security, very bad
dibs on it for when you upgrade that too
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LOL...serious ting yes. I've met my new vice.
Stay dey and feel them kits easy to assemble.
Cumulatively, this one took the better part of EIGHT HOURS to assemble...and I haven't even put any decals on it yet.
...but part of the enjoyment is in the journey. :mellow:
Now I need a base to put it on (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KG499M), and another one (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01BD3NJ8C) to make a nice diorama. :lol:
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Gundam security...upgraded. :lol:
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161126/9a29cf2b7a6182856f92984017ae8069.jpg)
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This is decidedly not rig related lolol
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Oh yes it is. That's the 'security detachment'. :lol:
...which just increased by one.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161208/26ce01103e6a13177e9bf6bbcdb270e6.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161208/79d0df7f9c6f2ee510ff0cb265f25fe7.jpg)
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Upgrade for the MGR...
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161219/c0b451fc6e89cddcf64a4f3cc4abfed5.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161219/2b11d29fa66156b21017735eca1abfc4.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161219/899d3dcb5c5879f315f0aca58f6433d8.jpg)
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11114092
Looking good... looking VERY good. :)
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Shoulda get ah z170 board and overclock it. Locked skylake rel easy to overclock.
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That system is always changing.
Don't be surprised if you see a Kaby Lake CPU and Z270 mini-ITX board in this rig in the future...once the price is right. :)
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Kaby-Lake could overclock on z-170 boards. But ayy, if u hav money to bun go all out G.
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Kaby-Lake could overclock on z-170 boards. But ayy, if u hav money to bun go all out G.
In case you didn't know:
1. Arc already has a maxed out, overclocked system, in case you haven't perused this entire thread of all the upgrades - and overclocking - he's done over nearly 10 years. You're not telling him anything he hasn't already researched.
2. Not everyone is an overclocker, or needs to overclock their PC. I fail to understand how his decision not to OC his secondary PC is burning money.
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Kaby-Lake could overclock on z-170 boards. But ayy, if u hav money to bun go all out G.
In case you didn't know:
1. Arc already has a maxed out, overclocked system, in case you haven't perused this entire thread of all the upgrades - and overclocking - he's done over nearly 10 years. You're not telling him anything he hasn't already researched.
2. Not everyone is an overclocker, or needs to overclock their PC. I fail to understand how his decision not to OC his secondary PC is burning money.
It's just a suggestion to make it a little interesting, and some info for people that forgot or may not know. No need to get all defensive. Just a brief read through the forums, I already know he's experienced, and I already know he like's to bun money on tech (which is something I woulda do if I had d money), that's no secret.
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@cold_187
Doh study it... I appreciate the suggestion.
I considered overclocking for that system, but nah...main rig for that...for now anyway.
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You know a man serious when his secondary rig have better gaming performance than my main rig.
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it embarrassing tbh
They shoulda never give arcman money
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it embarrassing tbh
They shoulda never give arcman so much overtime and all them organs to sell on the black market
FIXED!!
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Hey not a fan of Gundam cartoons but the kits look really good. Are those Master grade or real grade figures Arc?
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Master Grade 1/100 scale.
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Installed a NZXT Aer 140 mm fan in the main rig...
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170103/25d49679dbd934e9e14ec216b169984b.jpg)
...and a 120mm in the mini...
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170103/0d3fcb897d9858f6f5370da89d09a93c.jpg)
....because (say it with me), Spectrum Wave is...?
LIIIIIIIIIIFE. :mellow:
Videos coming soon.
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Obviously I need your santa claus to pass by me
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Ah sell more organs. :lol:
Upgrades for the MGR again...
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/924/Z2DELt.jpg)
Yeah, the MGR is 'growing up' a bit, into the micro-ATX form-factor, leaving behind the stellar Define Nano S
for it's slightly larger Define Mini C cousin. Also taking advantage of slightly newer tech in the H270 chipset on this new motherboard (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/H270M-MORTAR-ARCTIC.html#productFeature-section)...
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/923/Yi5ZkP.jpg)
Before...
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/922/TGyTOl.jpg)
After...
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/922/Qu4zsO.jpg)
...and 'Security Detachment Alpha' gets a new addition. :lol:
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/923/eDdzcC.jpg)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/924/tUZPgM.jpg)
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Spectrum Wave is life... :mellow:
https://youtu.be/hrzKd-DhNdg
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(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/924/B74KaQ.jpg)
Say it with me... :)
https://youtu.be/ehw2THz1q2w
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Can't stop. Won't stop. :)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170504/3a5f777ef1830e6e10c742fbfe014429.jpg)
Oh yeah...
https://youtu.be/VgS8c-yRMIA
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Have an extra kidney if you want to hook me up with your dealer.