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Off Topic => Ole Talk => Politics & Soap Box Rants => Topic started by: EmpireKing on July 25, 2007, 03:48:26 PM
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What the hell is Patrick Manning and the other guy(President) doing in this country. As two men who possess overwhelming force(ARMY AND PoliceService) why are they slackin with the current crime situation in this country that they claim to love so much. This may seem radical and very unorthodox but why cant they just call upon these forces to make a THOROUGH SWEEP throughout ALL HIGH CONCERN PLACES and clean d country....???
Is doing this possible?
If so do you guys think that The Head of State is taking his job seriously...?
HOW is it possible for prisoners to break through prisonbars with a hacksaw??? Now personally I hav not ever seen a prison cell...but arent they surposed to be thick enough to keep prisoners IN???
PLZ doh give me any negative comments......i jus asking a question, allyuh cud delete it after
i jus wanna know if i making any sense
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I'm not Trinidadian but I know enough to make an educated answer to your question. As of current, your Army has an estimated 2,700 troops ready for rapid deployment. Now you can attempt a clean sweep in the country within a few days to a week with that manpower including Police, however the thorough part is the problem. You will not get everything you want and unless you keep men to secure those liberated areas, crime will just reappear after some time. Unless you can completely secure your progress it wouldn't make much sense to do it in the first place. Given the state of Trinidad and it's government, why even bother to pull of such a huge task? However, with the correct leadership you probably can dramatically decrease crime, but your currunt leadership in incapable of doing this without screwing it up. Bottom line, it's very much possible if the proper leader uses the right strategy.
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Nice to see EK has woken up and smelled the coffee and once again i agree with Grim
I'll say this the two 'major' parties are sooo caught up in trying to make each other look bad and a public image that to do something in secret is BEYOND them. Remember Operation Anaconda? 1st week they lock down the north and then they announce over the media they hitting south.....when i heard that i heard that i was like BUH WHA DE M.......sigh.....
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I think that was one of the most idiotic things that has ever happened in Trinidad concerning the media.....Why must the public kno of these operations...If anything tell us after you do it, show us the results if u wanna make ureself look good...
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some of us may not remember this (or may have been too young), but during the first Gulf war back in '90/91 CNN & Headline News were the greatest 'tactic spoilers', Saddam just had to turn the TV on to see where they were gonna bomb, lol
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"If so do you guys think that The Head of State is taking his job seriously...?"
He doesn't hold that power. Blame falls on the parliament.
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some of us may not remember this (or may have been too young), but during the first Gulf war back in '90/91 CNN & Headline News were the greatest 'tactic spoilers', Saddam just had to turn the TV on to see where they were gonna bomb, lol
man, yuh doh even have to go that far back..
in 2003, geraldo was bussin files during the invasion of iraq.. drawing maps in the sand, and giving the day's objective on live tv
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some of us may not remember this (or may have been too young), but during the first Gulf war back in '90/91 CNN & Headline News were the greatest 'tactic spoilers', Saddam just had to turn the TV on to see where they were gonna bomb, lol
man, yuh doh even have to go that far back..
in 2003, geraldo was bussin files during the invasion of iraq.. drawing maps in the sand, and giving the day's objective on live tv
LOL! i didn't even know dat! ...well, like i said in an earlier thread, i doh study news, life too short to get vex watchin rubbish (playin Dirt is better)
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SO media is to blame for failed attempts at everything......Iznt it obvious to the media that brocasting these things on tv radio, internet and watever will expose what is surposed to be "secret"?
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Of course Empire King. The media is getting themselves in a position where they are becoming more and more of a pest to organizations that wish to carry out certain operations in secrecy. I believe the media should be heavily restricted in certain areas, the media can obviously work to aid those it shouldn't regardless of the media's true intention. It can easily take away the element of surprise and absolute tactical advantage of those carrying out their objective against the enemy, whether it be in a anti-crime operation or in a war. Any sort of strategic disadvantage is the last thing you want, and the media happens to be one of the top problems on that list.
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I have to disagree with you there Grim. I don't think sensorship of the media is the answer. I think tha tall news should be aired or be allowed to have the RIGHT to be aired at a certain point in time. What I do think also is that more DISCRETION needs to be employed by the media. You can broadcast all you like about a covert operation AFTER it's been concluded. During and before that's stupid I think we all agree on that. Here's a saying for you "Democracy is 340 days communism and 16 days democratic" think about that a little in the context of this thread and sensorship in general.
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do you see the British army "advertising" about their plans on the news? lol
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"SO media is to blame for failed attempts at everything..."
No. The ineptitude of our leaders ais to blame for everything. Dissemination of information by the media is a symptom rather than the greater sickness of stupidity.
And grim isn't talking about media censorship (at least, I would -hope- that's not what he's talking about)...but rather self-censorship of the agencies. Not restricting what the media can do with the information they get...but not allowing them to get that information -at all- and making that the priority of the strategists.
Basically, the government and the protective services should HUSH DEY C*NT AN DO DEY DAMN JOB and speak when it's all over.
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I have to disagree with you there Grim. I don't think sensorship of the media is the answer. I think tha tall news should be aired or be allowed to have the RIGHT to be aired at a certain point in time. What I do think also is that more DISCRETION needs to be employed by the media. You can broadcast all you like about a covert operation AFTER it's been concluded. During and before that's stupid I think we all agree on that. Here's a saying for you "Democracy is 340 days communism and 16 days democratic" think about that a little in the context of this thread and sensorship in general.
Of course, they can go around and parade the news around afterwards, I have nothing against that. I just don't want them broadcasting things before or during an ongoing operation that would reveal things which could lead to a tactical or strategic disadvantage of any sort for the organization carrying out the operation. I support media censorship on certain issues, but not concerning this matter at all.
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Basically, the government and the protective services should HUSH DEY C*NT AN DO DEY DAMN JOB and speak when it's all over.
Sadly this is not always the case sync, how many incidents (not national security related necessarily) have been picked up by the over zealous newscrew? or the newscrew in the right place at the right time?. At that point descrestion on the part of the reporter is required... however would you say that turning down the 'scoup' is in the interest of an ambitious reporter? generally I think not.
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Understood.
I'm not saying the media should stop doing their job. In fact...the media MUST do their job and free press MUST be encouraged and the government should not interfere with free press whatsoever. I'm saying that it's the responsibility of the government to maintain that confidence within their own ranks and if it is informative of a sensitive nature that is leaked/revealed accountability must be taken and shared within the ranks accordingly. Both institutions should move independently of each other. Government and press must -never- intersect other than matters where the government should provide transparency.
There is rarely a case where press should exhibit some sort of discretion...however...media is a business like any other and they are selling news. If one media house doesn't do it, another will and that is economic suicide.
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I'll always say we could blame, the press, inept governance, corrupt police, useles bureaucracy i mean the list could go on an on....the education system...anything. In the end you know who i blame? Myself. As much as the Government effing up, a country always gets the government it deserves dread. The Complacency hafta stop, when u see sh*t going on say " Aye cut that sh*t out!".Crime & corruption...dem ting is a 'we' problem so we hafta start shouting out instead of jus grumbling & mumbling amongst ourselves.
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that make some sense.....is we fault...we are the people who gave them power in the first place....In order to make a difference now we must project our voice instead of "mumbling amongst ourselves" as dreadnaught has said...
but how can we do this.....half d "good" ppl in d country fraid to say or do anything
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hmm lawl if censorship on that level was allowed ^_^ we wouldnt be having this discussion lawl.
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hmm lawl if censorship on that level was allowed ^_^ we wouldnt be having this discussion lawl.
Yea, thoughts of "V" for Vendetta come to mind....All trinis should put on V's mask and walk the streets in protest. LOL
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no no no we hadda put on panday masks complete with berets and rising sun teeshirts
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no no no we hadda put on panday masks complete with berets and rising sun teeshirts
ah hear dey changin dat to an eclipsed sun
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lol.......wat if we had sum kinda vigilante kinda person....jus goin round an "manners-ing" all those criminals... guess those things only happens on tv.
but goin back to the beginning...All we really need is a leader with the testicular fortitude to put things in place in this country
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u mean like batman ?
batman wouldnt work in this country at all , traffic woulda kill de man vibe. Imagine de man Batcave somewhere in Gran Couva somewhere and he hadda hit POS a morning. I sure it would be blatantly obvious to whoever he gonna stop that he coming cause talk woulda be like "Aye ah see Batman in traffic dey boy like he find out bout allyuh"
Not to mention they ain't got much in terms of stuff to swing on..
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Man wouldn't even be able to use d shoulder as he movin since it jam with taxis.
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Wen is nex general elections?
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Soon after the budget , october/november we'll see elections .
We don't NEED the army to lock down the country or conduct any kind of operation . If the police did its job in the first place , half the crime wouldn't be a problem. But the police is too corrupt and incompetent .
Remember the dentist fella who get shot in his own practise ?He was walking distance from the police station .
My family's business in Arima is also close to a police station, the last time it was robbed the bandits took a sledge hammer and MASH IN TWO CONCRETE WALLS to reach the safe . It was in the middle of the night and you should have heard it from the station , but nobody came to investigate .
Funny thing is , our country has a higher police to citizens ratio than most countries . The police too damn dotish , too busy running down Panday ,Inshan Ishmael and the CJ to do any real work .
Nothing is going to change as long as the PNM is in power... Trevor Paul is Manning boy , he went and visit him when he got the job as CoP .
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I understand Manning , Panday and others are all arses but who do u think can run this country properly?
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Dookeran might be able to do a good job , Inshan Ishmael supports him and he has a much cleaner record than the rest.
He actually had a gun to his head during the coup . Panday was in grenada and nobody knows where Manning was.. leaves you to suspect if they knew something , especially since neither did and inquiry into the events of the Coup.
He is also a recognized economist . Better than having a geologist for a prime minister (Manning) who thinks building tall buildings means development , while people have to sh!t on the floor in hospitals .
He might never get into power , but his party stands a better chance than any of the newer ones.
Best case scenario : Before elections , the COP and UNC agree to contest only their strongest seats eg. UNC keeps UNC heartland , COP goes into marginals and PNM strongholds .
Seats are split up something like 12 COP , 10 UNC and 14 PNM . UNC and COP form a power sharing agreement with Dooks as prime minister . ( i can't remember how many seats there are)
If some sort of deal isn't brokered it will be a clean sweep for the PNM . With all the house padding in UNC strongholds and marginals , if the COP splits the opposition vote , the PNM will end up with a majority , even taking the UNC heartland .
Dooks might not even win his own seat of St. Augustine .
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Because...power sharing agreements work in this country. Because...a party that involves Basdeo Panday where he's not in a leadership position whether de facto of de jure is even a possibility. I can't agree with that as a best case scenario because it's so purely hypothetical. The only thing I can agree with you on is the opinion on Mr Dookeran and Mr Ishmael...and well that the PNM is a joke.
Also, I don't think that state of the police force is (at least directly) related to who is in power currently. The police have always been ineffectual. Crime has just gotten smarter and our economy, weaker. I genuinely think that the only think that can help us (other than just cutting the god damned s**t out), especially with the potential wealth we have flowing, is a move towards socialism. However the IMF has us by the balls.
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...especially with the potential wealth we have flowing, is a move towards socialism. However the IMF has us by the balls.
lol ...just this morning i saw the infamous Ferrari, a Humvee 2, and a porsche Carerra Turbo
THIS country have wealth... jus wish some went my way :hello:
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Wasted wealth.....why buy a ferrari to drive on the traffic congested roads of trinidad....or Why buy a H2 to drive on narrow roads that cud barely fit a normal car
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Wasted wealth.....why buy a ferrari to drive on the traffic congested roads of trinidad....or Why buy a H2 to drive on narrow roads that cud barely fit a normal car
Because as usual wealth needs to be flaunted regardless of how idiotic they look driving a European Sports car on a sh1tty trinidad road (thanks to the gov't) and an American Tank that drinks gasoline like it's running out of style.
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Uh so um.....COP and UNC form a power sharing agreement....Now correct me if im wrong...Wasn't Dooks the leader of the UNC.....then he wasn't, then he left and finally we have the COP?
Basdeo Panday will not settle for anything else but complete control wether it be in the fore/background. Poor Kamala say she gave him back his rule...more gave up what wasn't hers.
PNM are crap....Manning has his head so far up his geological society membership card that he can't even see that things going from worse to worst. I heard the smelter got cancelled PLEASE say yes PLEASE???
As for the Police as i understand it it's like this.
Bad cops rule, if you're a good cop you get transferred, re-assigned or snubbed until you agree to stay quiet or join. Why you think the kick so hard against the lie detector test. (shakes head)
Sometimes i does get up in the morning read the papers and go WTF going on in this place. But like majority of other trinis i swallow it, turn my head, eagerly anticipate my paycheck when month end comes, complain about the deductions and the high prices of goods, and repeat the cycle....
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lol ...just this morning i saw the infamous Ferrari, a Humvee 2, and a porsche Carerra Turbo
THIS country have wealth... jus wish some went my way :hello:
Forget the Ferrari, you seen the Phantom that Bhagwansingh have? If that cost less than seven or eight million to bring here I'll be shocked.
Anyway I think we better resign ourselves to another 5 years of PNM. UNC and COP WILL split the opposition vote and the PNM will get their special majority out of it.
For all the talks you does hear from people protesting the government saying "no help, no vote" and all that bs you damn sure the X going right next to the balisier.
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batboat and batcycle..... that -should- be a bit effective...
then again he go need a whole justice league stationed in various strategic parts of the country just to cope...