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Gaming => Clan Announcements and Challenges => Topic started by: New Era Outlaw on November 13, 2007, 01:45:51 PM
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As of late, I've been practising like a beast in this game, and I really think now's a good time as any to call out some of you out to a good old fashioned BRAWL.
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The Game: Marvel vs. Capcom
The Place: Galactica, Trincity Mall
The Date: Saturday 10th January, 2009
The Time: 5: 30pm till
Anybody interested can call me at 738-4505 (ask for Ryan).
We'll meet up at Virtual Zone, or, if you prefer, at the arcade itself.
I'll be sending some PMs to some people here that I know would be interested (you all know who you are).
The sweatage scene has been VERY dry as of late, and I'm seriously looking to change all that.
Looking forward to seeing you there (but try not to spend your passage home in the process.)
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well i don't play mvc1 ( i really dunno anything about the game) but if i got time i'll be passing down for sure.
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i'll make a pass up there...long time i ent sweat in the arcade, now to find some transport to get up there...
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well i don't play mvc1 ( i really dunno anything about the game) but if i got time i'll be passing down for sure.
Cool. Be sure to let Ultima know of it, too, because it's been too long since I've had a good challenge.
i'll make a pass up there...long time i ent sweat in the arcade, now to find some transport to get up there...
Great. Looking forward to seeing you there.
Well, things are shaping up rather nicely.
Speaking of which, I should let JD on to this.
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The battle begins TODAY!
Sweat results later.
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LOLOLOL I was up there LAST WEEK thinking it was then!!! OMG i'm suck a baka!!
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Well, you still made it for the sweat this week anyway, so all is well.
Yup, folks, we had us a brawl.
Me, JD, Saxman, and...some other people!
...yeah.
Now, anybody who knows me and JD knows that when we collide in this game, WAR happens.
Namely, quite a few rounds between Megaman/Roll and War Machine/Gold War Machine.
Admittedly, that flying knee/bomb strategy hurts, but so does a Beat Plane at close range. Such a shame GWM can't block, eh? :happy0203: During our matches, JD and I even took some new characters out for a spin. He played characters such as Wolverine, Strider Hiryu and Spiderman (even one match where he played Red Venom, who can't hit Roll with LP at all) whereas I took Hulk, Ryu and Morrigan and gave them a try. Saxman took a small video of one of those 'fun' matches, where I had JD on the ropes with Hulk, only for his Wolverine to hit not only him, but his partner with a Berserker Barrage X, knocking them both out.
Eventually, though, we soon dropped the extra characters and played with who we knew. The machine screwed us on a few moves (I missed count on how many Berserker Barrage X/Beat Planes I could have landed but didn't), but it was a blast. At the end of the day, we were pretty evenly matched, after all that time.
Our tallys for the day (against everybody) was JD landing 2nd place with 14 wins, and me landing 1st and 3rd with 17 and 13 wins, respectively (yes, I was at the arcade for a pretty long time.)
Saxman then came in. It was cool that he showed up, and that he accepted my challenge.
He gave it his all, but, in the end, 'Wildman-no-jutsu' doesn't exactly pan out too well.
No worries, though...the minute he gets more focused in his gameplay, I'm sure he could kick some serious a**.
Some other guys faced off against me.
One gave me trouble, and he was pretty persistent.
I believe he was the same guy that gave me chats on Shoryuken one time I came on there and I mouthed off like a Sesame Street Yip-Yip. I think he gets the point now that I'm definitely a force to be reckoned with in this game. He did make one comment that I was -ahem- running with Roll. JD then asked him:
"You expect a little girl like that to rush down Strider?
And, he's quite right. Roll has very short range, and running after Strider to hit him face on is like running into a coal mine with lit dynamite. I'd have expected somebody from Shoryuken to know Roll can't rush down for s**t, and has to play a defensive game, most of the time.
Another got licks, and said something that really had me and Saxman bowl over laughing. What was it?
"You real good, but you kinda s***ty at the same time."
He then asked me if I understand where I was coming from, since I was resorting to 'cheap tactics' and whatnot.
I told him this:
"Oh, I understand. You're making excuses for losing."
Seriously, I'm good and I suck at the same time? I'm sure on some other planet that makes sense, but that logic suffers from one serious flaw:
...this is EARTH.
...sorry, partner, but if you're going to make poor excuses like that for losing, it's best you find a Pac-Man machine and start wailing on that, because eating pellets and running from ghosts seems to be more your speed for now.
Seriously? Roll is BOTTOM-TIER in the game.
If you have trouble handling a 'small girl' like that, then you need to shape up, fellas. Seriously.
Don't make excuses like "She's too small to hit!", because that's not true at all.
Oh, and for those guys who backed away from the machine just because I'm on it and was asking me if I was going back in when I'm done, screw you, you damn cowards. You want in? TAKE ME OFF OF IT. Don't stand there going:
"OH GAWD IT'S HOPELESS DON'T PUT YOUR COIN IN BECAUSE HE'LL KICK YOUR A**"
...seriously, how do you expect to beat me at all if you're standing there with your tail between your legs whimpering as if you're a small boy in the Neverland Ranch? Grow a pair, jump in, and KICK MY A**. For a group of people that once laughed at me just because I play with a couple of 'children', you sure are acting as if you've got Raisinettes for balls now. God.
I'll admit this much: JD can kick my a**. Akil can kick my a**. Rio can kick my a**. Balki can kick my a**, Ultima can kick my a** . (Granted, I can return the favor, just so you know.) So, now that we've pretty much established that while I rule in this game, I'm not invincible, just what is your problem? No, don't bother answering that. I know exactly what's your deal.
YOU SUCK.
...nuff said.
Anyhoo. Good game, everybody.
I'll organise another one after Christmas, when more people can come.
And hopefully, there would be more takers and less shakers.
Outlaw, out.
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Well, as NEO realises, I didn't learn about this until it was too late. I would not have been to make it though, since I had training and my mother-in-law coming in from away and Other Stuff to deal with. Generally, the only day on a weekend I'm available is Sunday.
Don't suppose next Sunday is available for anyone, is it? Actually, next Saturday I should be available as well, since I'm going to take a break from training for a few weeks since I won't be here for the first week in December.
As I mentioned in the thread on SRK, if you don't play WM/GWM (though I guess Strider/GWM/WM on the whole, to a slightly lesser extent, though I still have yet to meet a Strider in Trinidad on the same level as my own), you aren't going to beat me. This doesn't mean I can't lose, since I'm not infalliable and, hey, it's MvC1; random shit happens fairly often in that game (I especially hate Chun-li in that game); but beating me with a non Strider/GWM/WM team in MvC1 is rare. Of course, that's because I play Strider/GWM/WM myself, so maybe it isn't entirely fair. ^_^
My favourite team is Strider/Zangief, but I can't play it if WM, GWM or RV are around, since Gief get straight up destroyed by those three, which is why I bothered to learn the other top tier characters in the first place. If they're not around, though, it's all gravy. ^_^
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By 'next week Saturday', you mean the 8th of December, right?
I can make it for that one.
Are you game on that day, at Trincity Mall, for 2:30 PM?
If so, I think we've got another sweat on our hands.
As for Marvel vs. Capcom 2, what venue did you have in mind?
Normally, I'd say JAVA since it got new management, but I still have bad memories of what happened last time...
As I mentioned in the thread on SRK, if you don't play WM/GWM (though I guess Strider/GWM/WM on the whole, to a slightly lesser extent, though I still have yet to meet a Strider in Trinidad on the same level as my own), you aren't going to beat me. This doesn't mean I can't lose, since I'm not infalliable and, hey, it's MvC1; random shit happens fairly often in that game (I especially hate Chun-li in that game); but beating me with a non Strider/GWM/WM team in MvC1 is rare. Of course, that's because I play Strider/GWM/WM myself, so maybe it isn't entirely fair.
Oh, ho, ho........a challenge, you say?
Well, ain't nuthin' this cowboy likes more than a good old fashioned keester-kicking.
Bring it on, partner! Yee-HAW!
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i own you both in tetron for free
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NEO:
Yeah, I should be able to make it. I'm supposed to give blood in the morning, and hopefully I'll have enough strength to make it there. ;)
And yeah, I'll go out and throw that out there as a challenge to make it a little more interesting for you: No double War Machine, you don't win. Though I guess that would probably be your best/favourite team against my best/favourite team, so screwing around with shit characters (relatively; my shit team is Captain America/Hulk, for example) wouldn't count. But meh. We'll see... ^_^
As for MvC2.... er, I didn't say anything about MvC2. You don't play MvC2 on stick, do you? Cause they have it at whatever Tekno Junkies is called now. 2P side is a little suspicious with super input, but not too bad. And there are about 3 guys in there who can give me a run for my money; two are decent, but will lose if I put my foot down and stop running into shit, and there's one who I would say is slightly better than I am. Certainly better in execution, though he lacks my experience, which is the primary reason I'm able to beat him at all.
BUt anyway, I wasn't really looking to challenge you in MvC2 at this point. BUT, that place does have MvC1 as well (it has all the vs. games, actually - XSF, MSF, MvC1, and MvC2, the first place I've ever seen that has all four simultaneously). And coins are $1. So it might be worth your while to take a trip into town.
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ALLURCOINSRBELONG2ME!!!!!!!
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As for MvC2.... er, I didn't say anything about MvC2. You don't play MvC2 on stick, do you? Cause they have it at whatever Tekno Junkies is called now. 2P side is a little suspicious with super input, but not too bad. And there are about 3 guys in there who can give me a run for my money; two are decent, but will lose if I put my foot down and stop running into shit, and there's one who I would say is slightly better than I am. Certainly better in execution, though he lacks my experience, which is the primary reason I'm able to beat him at all.
BUt anyway, I wasn't really looking to challenge you in MvC2 at this point. BUT, that place does have MvC1 as well (it has all the vs. games, actually - XSF, MSF, MvC1, and MvC2, the first place I've ever seen that has all four simultaneously). And coins are $1. So it might be worth your while to take a trip into town.
Actually, yeah.....the stick was the very first way I learned to play the game.
(I'm assuming you mean the arcade joystick, though, because I can't operate the handheld ones for beans.)
I'm not sure, but is Techno Junkies that arcade next to the pet store?
If so, then I think I know which arcade it is, but the joystick on the MvC2 machine's been acting weird when I played there two weeks ago.
By the way, is that 'No Double War Machine' a stipulation for the matches, or you're just saying I don't win unless I play that team? Either way, I don't really play that team so well. JD (the guy who posted above this one) on the other hand.....
ALLURCOINSRBELONG2ME!!!!!!!
oMGHARYEAHRIIIIIIIIIGHTNEWB!!1one
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Yes, stick = arcade joystick. NObody uses actual flight simulator-style joysticks any more.
"No Double War Machine" isn't a stipulation or anything. It's just an observation. I haven't been beaten (again, not simply lost, but actually beaten) by a non-DWM team since ECC5 in 2000. Not that superior players can't beat me with other teams cause I'm far from godlike at the game, just that it hasn't happened in years. And DWM just happens to be the best team, just slightly ahead of Strider/GWM and Strider/WM. For the most part, I consider going up against DWM to not be worth it.
I'm aware that Jd plays DWM. To be perfectly honest, he doesn't even play the team particularly well (neither do I for that matter), but DWM is such a hurdle to get over that even a merely "okay" DWM who knows how to Duo is extremely dangerous. I certainly wasn't prepared to face that team the last time we met up, having not seen it or fought against it since early 2000 (i.e. before MvC2 dropped and we forgot MvC1 existed, and rightfully so). Even with the "almost as good" Strider/WM or Strider/GWM, there's no real counter to DWM other than just being better than your opponent (contrary to popular belief, Chun-li and Captain Commando are not real counters for DWM; for every 1 duo that they stop with Kikkosho/Captain Sword, they will get killed by 5 or 6). The team is brutally effective and not especially difficult to win with. Being able to kill characters with WM uncombo infinites and guard breaks is mostly a bonus, not especially necessary for that team. That team pretty much killed the game's competitive scene in the US.
On this note, however: JD, I already have my gameplan to use against you if we meet up again. I'm sure I can get my wins back. ;)
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magnus stop beasting...
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Oh, I forgot to mention: Yeah, "Neo Twekno Junkies" = "arcade next to pet store in St. James. :p
And as I said, 2P side is suspicious, especially with regard to super input, but not overly so. It's workable, though expect to make more mistakes on it than 1P side.
I dunno about the MvC machine in there since I've never played on it. I've never seen anyone who doesn't use "Easy Mode" playing there, though it's down in the back plus I'm only in there once a week at the most, so it's possible I just haven't seen good players playing it.
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Ohhhh, i c u Ultima n i raise you that i have also improved my gameplay with n without DWM, i gladly accept your challenge.... how ever we must confirm a time n place suitable to all.... i have been trying that combo you told me about got it like 1 or 2 times but ever since i have not actually devoted time in to pratice or playing for that matter. the only time recently that i played "seriously" was last time with neo... but if the great ones like yourself plan to show i may just dedicate some midnight hours to it... can you pm me with that combo again though..... silly me i seem to have lost it whilst i was moving to my new apartment. lemme know k?
as for you neo like it was in olden days i will return n destroy your reincarnated children again n again.....
(el facto) did u know that i am the only 1 who busted his team last week imean o m g these other guys must suk really awful....
hit me up guys lemme know when is the next one n once available im there....
btw
ALLURCOINSRSTILLBELONG2ME HAHAHA
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JD:
Just to confirm, I'm not telling/asking you to not play DWM or anything. You said that's your favourite team, and I'm always in favour of playing your favourite characters/teams regardless of power. It just so happens that your favourite team is THE best team in the game... luck of the draw I guess.
PLaying without DWM is fine, but if playing me, don't feel you can't us the team or whatever. DWM is part of the game. I may complain, but that's really my problem. If I were serious enough, I'd just get more skillful, and/or hone my own DWM. But I'm too lazy to do either at this point. :p
BTW, barring a few random sessions against nobodies in Trincity, the last time I played MvC1 was against you last year. You might not need to practice too hard... :/
As for the combo... I forget: What combo are we talking about? You talking about War Machine's flying combo? It's basically launch, LP->MK->U+HK, flight, LP->MP->U+HP, [air dash UF/F, LP->MP->U+HP], repeat. Do it right and you'll end up with your opponent off the top of the screen and you'll just see WM's legs and hearing "HUT HUT HUH!!" ad infinitum.
It's not a true infinite, since your flight mode eventually wears off. But if you get unfly mode (very easy considering War Machine should be flying 99% of the time), you can deactivate flight after U+HP, tack on another U+HP, then cancel that back into flight, air dash and repeat [LP->MP->U+HP].
Also, once you get really good, you can do the flying sequence right from the ground off of a launch, rather than setting it up with an air combo. Hard as hell though.
There's also a way to get the LP->MP->U+HP sequence to uncombo, which will kill the opponent faster. I'm not sure how though.
I think I've gotten maybe two reps of the sequence... ever. I suck at combos. :(
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So is this thing still on for tomorrow at Trincity at 2:30 PM? We falling out Neo Tekno Junkies or what?
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Tomorrow?
I thought you said you wouldn't be able to come up this Saturday, hence why I asked:
By 'next week Saturday', you mean the 8th of December, right?
I can make that one. This Saturday might be out of the question due to work and my wrist acting up. Still, let me know what's up.
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No, I won't be here on Saturday 8th. I'll be out of the country from 5th Dec to 10th Dec. Hence why I said on Monday:
Don't suppose next Sunday is available for anyone, is it? Actually, next Saturday I should be available as well, since I'm going to take a break from training for a few weeks since I won't be here for the first week in December.
As it turns out, I'll probably be in Trincity this Sunday, but I'll be babysitting a "nephew", who is apparently going (back) to China on Wednesday for a considerable length of time due to health issues, so it wouldn't be proper to abandon him to play challenges on MvC. And yesterday was my last day of training on the current cycle, hence why I said I would be free on Saturday. :/
If not.. well, it'll have to wait th 16th of December. That's a Sunday, since I'll be back on training by that time and won't be available on Saturday 15th, unless I choose to train early in the day or something, which will depend entirely on where I'm living at the time. Yeesh. :|
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JESUS CHRIST AT THAT EARTHQUAKE. O_O
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Also, I seem to have lost a day. I keep thinking tomorrow is Saturday, when it's the day after. :|
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Yeah, I think the 16th would be better for me as well. Gives me more time to prepare, if anything. Besides which, something just came up that has me not in the best of moods right now.
...and yes, that earthquake really was something, wasn't it?
Some of the people at work were like "omg earthQUAKE IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!" despite it being a few minor tremors here. One even ran outside, despite it being the worst thing you can ever do in an earthquake.
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Alright, 16th December it is then. Trincity still or you up for a trip to St. James?
I'll head to the St.James arcade either today or tomorrow and see if I can't test out the joysticks on MvC1.
As for the earthquake, we did nothing for the first 30 seconds, but once we realised the tremors were still occurring, we got the hell out of there. Our building is rather old, so to hell with that "worst thing to do in an earthquake" crap. :p
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Trincity Mall. I'll have to get back to you on St. James. I don't know if they've fixed it by now, but both the MvC and the MvC2 machines were acting somewhat...funny when I was there a few weeks ago.
Well, the 16th it is, then. I'll update the thread.
EDIT: I just realised that the 16th is a Sunday. Are you still okay with that day, Ultima?
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Yeah. I normally train (weight training) on Saturdays. I'm off this Saturday (tomorrow) and next Saturday (8th; won't be here), but after that, it's back to training. So Sunday 16th at Trincity it is.
As I said, I'll check out MvC1. Probably tomorrow, since I had to give blood this morning and I don't think I should go and dehydrate myself in the arcade, lest I cramp up and/or collapse. :p
2P on MvC2 was the worse side, but manageable IMO. It doesn't make that much of a difference in determining the outcome of fights - in my experience, if you couldn't win on 1P side, you only had a slightly worse chance of winning on 2P side.
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Ironically, when I was there last, the 1P side was playing the royal arse whenever I tried to wring for a Super, especially with regards to those with KK.
Well, as long as we're here, we might as well talk some strategy while we're at it.
Now, some people consider Orange Hulk to be the worst character in the entire game, although I did encounter somebody who made me cuss using him (it was on Easy Mode, so it's practically a one-button Gamma Crush) Is there any reason for that? I would think being faster would be more of a plus.
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re: MvC1
Okay, I managed to go yesterday, even though I didn't want to. MvC1 is definitely out for Neo Tekno. The joysticks seemed a bit suspicious - CPU Wolverine managed to kill me by doing the exact same low combo four times in a row, despite my best efforts to block it (and as an aside, man I'm hilariously out of practice on that game) - but frankly it's irrelevant because the damage is WAY too high! One combo = 80% life gone. So Trincity MvC1 it is.
I've never had any trouble on 1P MvC2 since the game has been there, only 2P.
Anyway:
I don't think Orange Hulk is the worst character per se - that would probably be Roll - just that he's the most pointless. He's Hulk, minus super armor, who does worse damage, takes more damage, and to make up for it he's slightly faster and has one extra hit in his air combo. THere is absolutely no reason to play him.
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I was at Trincity yesterday babysitting my unofficial adopted nephew, and I couldn't believe it: : $2.50 FOR ONE COIN? JESUS JUMPED UP CHRIST!!!
It's really a shame the damage is so high at Neo Tekno (and maybe the joysticks are suspect, though I didn't confirm), cause $2.50/coin is beyond ridiculous. That's almost as bad as Movietown! >:(
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Its a conspiracy i tell you...2.50 for 1 coin... that turns even me off of competing there... thanx for the combo rundown ill try (maybe against a suffering roll heh heh) <--- dont tell neo!!! lol
well before neo last time i had not played at that level in a while so there is still a great chance we may be evenly matched even with my DWM team. so rather than spoil the fun ill go without for a while i have also been using spidey n wolv not to mention morrigan i seem to be all over the place in terms of characters cause everyone more or less expects me to play with DWM. so a surprise every now n again. i mean i played against neo with red venom!!! utterly pointless against roll....
oh well next time around i should be available after the 16th tough...
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I saw that and I nearly cussed their a**es off for it. I know arcades that still charge a buck for a coin. $2.50? Ridiculous.
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I'm back from visiting my friends in Boston. I bought GGXX:AC, and got my ass destroyed by the top two guys. Holy Christ, did I get put down hard. Slayer just beat the crap out of me (and everyone else), and I couldn't even get close to Testament. I haven't been beaten that badly since the last time I played Imperial in CvS2. In my defense, they've been playing straight since XX in 2003 (which was the last time I was able to compete/beat them), whereas Ive played GG maybe 3 times since 2003. I've only seen #R once, Slash once (back in April), and this was my first time with AC.
Anyway, I'll be there Sunday. Dunno what kind of shape I'll be in though. Based on my playing Sunday before last, I'm much more out of practice at MvC1 than I thought. And my War Machine is so awful I'm not even sure if I should bother playing him. But oh well. I'll take my beatings like a man. :p
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Well, if it makes you feel any better, I haven't gotten any practice in for the last couple of weeks.
On the Saturday beforehand, I'll be promoting my Yu-Gi-Oh! tournament for January all over the place, so, I'll be quite tuckered out afterwards.
Still, I will be there.
Also, see if you can get a hold of rb, also. I think we have some things to discuss regarding the tournament that I've had on hold for the last six months (because I'm -lazy-). Also, I'm planning to shoot a 'How-to' combo video starring Mega Man, Roll and Tron Bonne either late this year or early next year. Give me a shout back, if anything.
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Can you do Megaman's 99 hit combo in MvC?
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I know a few of them. Believe you me, that Charge Buster really makes opportunities GALORE.
However, as for the precise 120+ hit that's circulating the Internet, I can, but I'd have to polish charging the second buster as the first one is about to die out and chaining Beat Plane to an aaMK. Most people tend to die before the combo pans out, though. :P
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i know this is a mvc1 thread but are you guys up for a mvc2 challenge. im from chaguanas. Anytime this year.
Must be great though. My teams msp combofiend,stryder doom sent, and then some
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Sure, I'm game.
Where in Chaguanas do you play?
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playmax, next to ttpost. we can have a small tournament or sum.or any of your SAFE known arcades.This Saturday
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I won't be able to come this Saturday. I have a big tournament to go and promote on that day, and I'll be hopping all over the place.
Right now, I can't think of any Sunday or Saturday where I would be available.
Contact me sometime next week and I might have a better idea as to what time I wouldn't be working on something.
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I've never seen a Magneto player besides myself in playmax (the times i used to go anyway which was like after 5pm on a saturday).
Has the competition gotten any better in there ? When I used to play often it was like meh...
....and has player 1's stick been fixed (I always found it workable but still kinda funky)
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Not to cramp your thread with possibly pointless drivel but I just wanted to shout out RB who I haven't seen in a while and Ultima, who's been out of my reach for even longer. Ultima what up man, see you started with AC. I've been aching ages for a GG battle, hell, even 3s and some other AE but I've been frustrated with zeros. Have been getting good CvS2 comp recently though.
Anyway, RB or Ultima...call me if you're for an AC sweat or something.
Again, pardon the off-topic intrusion.
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Interrupt away, old friend. This was probably the best chance to contact either of them that you had, anyway.
Forgive me, though.....what is AC, by chance?
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accent core...guilty gear
Anyways
Re: Imperial
I haven't been playing much of anything since the accent core tourney except the occassional KOF XI and COD4. My cell is dead but I'm usually on msn though. I'd need some practice to get back to where I was (Ogawa Instant KO combo ftw!). Java is having a year end sweat on the 30th, I could organise for then if its suitable.
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Unfortunately, due to health conditions that suddenly manifested itself in the last 2 days I am unable to come to the MvC tourney in Trincity Mall.
Let's just say until further notice I can't even take a walk without getting into trouble.
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I'm about to head out for Trincity. I'm all up for AC or MvC2 (less so 3S) at wherever. Just let me know a week in advance or something.
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Well I took my beatings like a man alright. CHrist, I'm going to have to retire from MvC1 as well. If I'm having trouble with MM/Roll with even the 2nd or 3rd best team in the game, I might as well call it quits. So... many... mistakes... :(
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time for you to get on ggpo and practice up then :D
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Well, if it makes you feel any better, Ultima, I made my fair share of mistakes as well. Don't study that too much, though. Like I said, a lot of people have trouble handling Mega Man/Roll where I'm concerned, even if they're playing with teams such as Wolverine/Strider and Double War Machine (JD has a few funny stories to tell you if you ask him....to this day, we're pretty much even, give or take a couple of wins.), so you're not alone. Gambit/Strider can be horrors for me, though.
All that matters is, that you came, and we had some good sweatage.
It's a shame more people didn't come, though (I heard Sheppard, one of the people who taught me this game, was coming, but I guess he couldn't make it), but it was still good.
On another note, never accidentally fall asleep with the AC on. Blargh.
:roll:
P.S.: Tell me more about GGPO, rb....where can I get a download of it?
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RB:
I need a proper PS2->USB converter first though. The old one I used to use seems to have died. I have another one (actually this one is mine; the other one I borrowed from a friend), but it only works properly with dual shock controllers; my joystick, at its core, is a non-dual shock PSX controller. Any suggestions? :/
Though to be honest, I'm not particularly interested in playing on GGPO. Not with the intent of getting better, anyway. My peak (in MvC1) was 8 years ago, and I have neither the time, the inclination nor the mental fortitude to even get back to that level, far less go past it. :|
I'm going to have to park up MvC2 just now, I can smell it. I'm already seriously considering never playing Magneto again, because I'm just so bad with him that it's embarrassing. I need to stick to something simple like Team Watts or something.
I'm willing to play AC even though I know absolutely nothing about it (getting your ass kicked for about 100 games over 3 days by guy who have 3 years+ experience on you definitely doesn't amount to "learning"), since I at least have the potential to get better at that one. Everything else I play, though, I'm pretty much at a standstill and declining.
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On the contrary, I believe that, while MvC2 is the standard now, one should never forget the basics. That is why I keep practising in both games...because one is the grounds from which I began (and am still learning, to this day), and the other is the evolution of that train of thought. The day I allow myself to get sloppy in one, the other will surely follow.
I'm going to have to park up MvC2 just now, I can smell it. I'm already seriously considering never playing Magneto again, because I'm just so bad with him that it's embarrassing. I need to stick to something simple like Team Watts or something.
Like I said yesterday, Ultima, we all have our off days.
I remembered a time (when the old GATT was still up and running) where you virtually covered the entire screen and layed the smackdown with Magneto. I'm positive that you can do that again.
Magneto is tricky, and part of his game is mastery of his uber-combos/infinites, but mastering him is like riding a bike. You never forget. Probably gather a bit of 'ring rust' over time, but definitely not forget.
There was a time where I contemplated dumping Tron, in that sense. I couldn't get the hang of her compared to Mega Man, and she kept losing when she faced herself. But, I stuck to my guns, and she's now one of my more troublesome characters. Just Tuesday a week ago, my entire team was wiped out and Tron was on a bare inch of life against 3 people with at least 50% life remaining (seriously, a HVB could have easily killed her) and I still won the match, merely by playing on my opponent's nerves by acting very unpredictable. I still laugh when I think back.
Well, what you do is up to you, but, if you are parking it up, do what I'm planning to do eventually. Do it in style.
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Hey man my hayday was like 4 years ago myself yet i am one to contend with, never give up so easily, remember losing begins when 1 fails to conteplate victory...
if u cant c it in your mind u never will...
think back, its important to remember that u can play the game at a tourney level, and with a little practice ull get it. conquer yourself 1st then others will soon fall before u....
look at me i have not really played at a tourney level yet i am still on par with neo. so dont give up yet
face me then give up lol <--- :P
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MvC1 and Mvc2 are completely different games though. Being good in one (and the corollary, being bad at one) doesn't translated into being good (or bad) at the other. Justin Wong is the no.1 MvC2 player at the game, virtually since it came out, but he was maybe no.5 at best at MvC1. Likewise, the no.1 MvC1 player, Eddie Lee, was never able to dominate at MvC2 like in MvC1.
In fact, I know of no top player who is/was equally dominant at both games: It's either one or the other.
re: Mags
I may be able to run roughshod occasionally with Magneto, but trust me, it's not because my Magneto is actually good. My Mags improved up to September 2000, and never improved since. To this day, I still can't perform basic air combos into Tempest with more than about 50% regularity. If I'm having a good day I might go up to 70-80%, but that's still pretty bad for a "basic" Magneto combo.
And his more advanced stuff? Like Triangle dash setups? Air throw resets? Jump Cancel s.HP, c.HK? ROM infinites? Forget it. My fingers simply can't move that fast. This isn't a case of stuff that I've forgotten or can no longer do, it's stuff I was never able to pull off. Mind you, it's primarily because I've never owned the game and have only played it sporadically since mid 2001 (which was my peak in the game, competitive-wise), but still.
The fact remains, Magneto is a character that requires reflexes and coordination that I lack. I can barely do his beginner stuff, far less the intermediate or advanced stuff. I can still win with him if the opponent is sufficient bad enough or if I can overwhelm the opponent with Mag's speed and mavouerability alone, but I'll lose to any more even slightly more dextrous since he's a liability for me. As I said, I think I need to stick to a more brainless team, like Watts. :/
I once came this close to beating an entire team (full life) with Strider/Doom with a few pixels of life each. And in Mvc1, I used to beat entire teams with near dead Strider all the time. I suspect, barring a few flashes of brilliance, those days are long behind me now.
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Well, in any case, I'm laying out another sweat again, this time for the 13th.
If 'ring rust' is a problem, I think 3 weeks should be ample time to get back into the feel of the game.
JD, think you can make this one?
I'm dying to let loose the 'Gears of War'....if you catch my drift.
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rb:
Is Jav still having something on the 30th? Maybe we could set up some Ac then. I most say though, I suck horribly at this game. Wow, I feel utterly stupid and lost just playing the game. :(
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Yeah they are having something, although I dunno how much space the place has now, its now just one room. I was just talking to Imperial about sweating on sunday , although I won't be able to bring a ps2 with me.
I'll let you know via email.
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13th Hmmm Sounds interesting... btw i have No idea of what you speak... but know this, you will need your practice... The year of the IRONMAN is coming.... *laughs histerically* then *stares down ultima* lol
btw Happi Holidayz dudes have a great new year....:P
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Actually, the 12th. I had to re-check my calendar.
Anyway, just bumping this up as a reminder to anybody interested (because even I forgot about this thread).
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*As of late, I've been practising like a beast in this game...*
I can tell. We HAVE fought before, NEO, and I had a considerable tally over you that time. That was MONTHS ago, maybe even early 2007. I can't even remember which squad I used.
TODAY, you were VERY different. (I was the accidental Spider-Man.) You always had good offense with Rock/Roll but your defense was PHENOMENAL. Six of the 10 matches you beat me ended by time out. My defense isn't that shabby either but I just couldn't crack that wall. Even though I think I was the only person you had to throw for the evening (I'm flattered, btw), your defense was obviously the greater.
I have also become a bit soft (Hey, if YOU had to fight plebs WEEK AFTER WEEK, you'd soften too.) I'll DEFINITELY have to get my A+ game back. The only REAL fight I get is against the Wolverine/Strider you fought and the WM/Gold WM (JD) and that isn't very often. He's hardly around. When he is, it's good. When he's not, well... I mostly get bored. In fact, the Wolverine/Strider and I were the only ppl that I saw that actually beat you for the day so you know the standard of warfare that exists right now..
Now that I see you have returned with a renewed vigor, I MUST act in kind. Wherever you disappeared to, the rest evidently did you WELL. That's also why when the others tried to hate on you, I couldn't allow it in good conscience. Simply put, you were just too tough a nut to crack today. I give where it's due and I honestly couldn't "bad-talk" your style. It's a FIREWALL.
I'm nobody's fan boy but I'm no hater and I hope that what I'm saying is seen for what it is: Due credit.
Looks like my retirement will have to wait a while...
:cowboy: *Re-bucklin' gunbelt...*
Thanx for a reason to start back training, NEO, and although I'll miss the 12th, there will be others and I intend to be fighting fit when lightning strikes.
Gunning for you with fighter's respect,
Q.
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Hey, Q. Glad you could stop by-
TODAY, you were VERY different.
Holy CRAP. You mean.....I actually did face you today?
Whoa. I didn't even know that, to be honest.
Personally, I was looking out for somebody playing Ryu/Mega Man or Strider Hiryu, just like in your combo videos. Anyway, good games. It was an honour to face you in battle, and you proved to be a very worthy adversary. Me being a chatterbox aside. :P
Looks like my retirement will have to wait a while...
*Re-bucklin' gunbelt...*
Indeed, it does, partner. Indeed, it does.
In any case, as long as you're here, maybe we can discuss something concerning combo videos?
You see, I'm currently training to release one myself eventually, and I'd like some advice concerning that.
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No problem. In fact, I'm in the middle of producing a vid showcasing local arcade talent as a counter to all those who post console glitches on YouTube and expect props. My question is out of all that they show, how many of them can do those under COMBAT conditions? That is why I was ESPECIALLY impressed with your Megaman/Roll Firewall. They can barely do that online and you've made it practical gameplay. I intend to totally shatter all cosmetic combo vids with REAL local talent, hence the caption after my Ryu vid.
I'm aware of two things that you can do: Real-world recording i.e. arcade + camcorder or Household recording i.e. emulator + video capture software. I made my MUGEN vids using the latter method and recently started using the former, hence the more rudimentary appearence of my MvC vids.
The latter is easy. Just get the right software (I use "Snagit 8") and do your stuff while the PC records the screen output then edit it (I use Windows Movie Maker).
The former is a little harder in that you obviously can't fight and record at once so I fight where I'm known and I entrust a close associate with my digi-cam to record while I fight. In a place where they know you and with a CLOSE associate (Feel free to even bring a friend), it's less likely to get stolen so you can execute your techniques worry-free.
I hope I was able to offer you some practical insight. I was actually going to invite you and the other Alpha males to appear as a highlight on my vid. More's the pity that I'll miss the 12th. Even so, enjoy it and I hope that my information was helpful.
As for my squads... I knew for YEARS that my Megaman was second only to yours so it would've been a waste to pit him against you. I tried to find cracks in that armour, hence my meditation on Spider-Man. I hesitated because I knew that once you adapted, he would be useless... Then time ran out and I was stuck with him and although it worked and I won, he was USELESS upon your return. I'm not a big Spider-Man player but his Assault super after a sweep was a big incentive and the fast, multi-directional Maximum Spider was a HUGE plus... At the time.
Gambit and Jin were just attempts to do as much damage as soon as possible but they just didn't get the openings they needed and your team size was largely responsible for that. Imagine... A Blodia Punch in a combo and Jin misses Roll COMPLETELY... I DO HOPE you remember that. :ko:
I also tried to use Strider's speed but I didn't count on Megaman being quick enough to actually interrupt his combos from a defensive position. I also tried that, plus some reach with Chun-Li but I still couldn't crack that shell in time, hence all the time-outs. Ryu had his moments with the Uppercut Super but you didn't leave enough openings for that course of action to be 100% dependable. In any case, his greatest strength is his Shinkuu Hadou Ken but with Megaman's VARIOUS multi-hit projectiles, a MUCH BIGGER projectile Super and greater mobility, all I could hope to do was some well-placed, well-timed damage, hence my first win.
It may not have appeared so at the time but all of this occurred to me during our very first match that day. I may have gotten a little unfit but as you can see, the mind is still sharp. Real fighters use the brain as well as the brawn.
Then again... That's just my opinion. :happy0203:
If there's any more info you need, feel free to write.
Peace, strength and respect;
Q.
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to be honest "real local talent" in mvc1 pales in comparison to foreign own. Ultima could probably shed some light on this better than I can. Trinis seem to be bound by "scrubs honor" (ie no throwing, no infinites, no anything that helps them win efficiently) which is why we usually get destroyed otherwise, of course there are always exceptions.
MVC1 is on GGPO, I was running some pretty lagless vampire savior on that yesterday vs some dude from the states. NO LAG whatsoever, also got my ass whooped, it was great :D :D :D
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You know, rb, somebody came around me with that same talk in the Mall. I personally HATE constant throwing. I see it as a sign of weakness. You are so pathetic and devoid of skill that you HAVE to stick-and-grab. NEO grabbed me a couple of times (LITERALLY a couple, twice out of TEN whole matches) when last we fought and I was actually flattered. It wasn't his WHOLE strategy and my defense was THAT GOOD while other ppl LIVE by this mindless rhetoric "Wat grab in d game for den?"
This same individual came to challenge me in the Mall with that same stupid mentality and you know what I did? I SCRUBBED the scrub's ass, even in front of his kid. I was MOST honourable and MOST BRUTAL. That's the difference between myself and the rest. I don't have to play like an ass to kick ass. Any one who has EVER faced me can testify to that. You shouldn't equate a lack of honour with skill. I've seen foreign talent. NONE of them would gain TWO WINS against any local assassin, even with honour intact.
Consider that an open challenge. I stake my "scrubs honour" on it.
*Throwing gauntlet...*
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Q:
> I personally HATE constant throwing. I see it as a sign of weakness.
That's the kind of mentality that has kept - and to an extent, still keeps - Trinidad behind the times. Self-imposed rules that have no bearing on reality (there's no "TOO MANY THROWS" penalty in the game) keeps the player from progressing forward, and they end up getting crushed by players who do not impose such silly rules on themselves.
rb: "local talent"
Local talent in MvC1 isn't bad. Not great, but not bad. They seem to be better with weaker characters (or at least, too many people swear by Spider-Man, and he's terrible in MvC), and I haven't seen anyone with a good War Machine, RV, Wolverine, or an especially good Strider as yet.
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to be honest "real local talent" in mvc1 pales in comparison to foreign own. Ultima could probably shed some light on this better than I can. Trinis seem to be bound by "scrubs honor" (ie no throwing, no infinites, no anything that helps them win efficiently) which is why we usually get destroyed otherwise, of course there are always exceptions.
I'm afraid he does have a point there.
As much as I personally loathe people who consistently throw, one thing you do have to realise is that it is, after all, a part of the game.
Take Wolverine, for example.
Part of his strategy involves poking your opponent into the defensive, and chucking him out of it when he withdraws into his shell. In other words, some aspect of high-level Wolverine play involves knowing when to throw.
Then again, to those bothered by throws, there are always Throw Escapes and Tech Hits. I remember whiplash's friend being a pro at escaping being thrown.
In any case, one thing everybody has to keep in mind is that throws are there to prevent people from being overly defensive and just blocking everything you throw at him. Without throws, you know what the game will turn into? Killer Instinct.
As for 'scrub's honour', I have one seriously funny story for you regarding that.
Some guy came up against me, and the second the match started, he started getting beaten soundly by Mega Man. The guy actually threatened me to ease up on him, and told me crap about 'how he runs this arcade' and 'blah blah blah'. I then told him flat out, 'NO.' and continued to whip him. The guy stormed out angry, and everybody couldn't help but laugh at him for not knowing how to block a low attack. Ah, pity the poor scrubby Noobasaurus Rex, in his own natural habitat.
(ahem)
Anyway, long story short, it is that kind of mentality that does and is holding back us Trinis from being supreme hardcore Gods in the games that we play. We have got to be ready for anything that comes our way, regardless of how cheesy the strategies we face are. Unless it's something along the lines of the 'Vanishing Gambit' glitch that can really be impossible to beat, any strategy that has ever been conceived has a hole in it.
Local talent in MvC1 isn't bad. Not great, but not bad. They seem to be better with weaker characters (or at least, too many people swear by Spider-Man, and he's terrible in MvC), and I haven't seen anyone with a good War Machine, RV, Wolverine, or an especially good Strider as yet.
This is true. I can't tell you how many times I've:
a) Faced somebody who includes either Spiderman or Ryu in their team;
b) Got knocked down by FK only to roll out when the person wrings for Crawler Assault;
c) Used Flower Bomb with Roll to stop a Maximum Spider dead (Q can tell you guys a funny story involving that);
d) Walked under a leaping Spiderman with Roll to nail him when said person thinks he's going to use his high priority FP or FK is hit me while I'm grounded.
Three out of those four things I do on a regular basis with Roll, who is a pretty good fighter against Spidey for those precise reasons.
On the topic of Strider, have you faced off against Analyst as yet, Ultima?
His Strider is one of the more keen ones I've seen in Trinidad to date.
As a matter of fact, he, like myself, is one of the infamous "Consort Mall Graduates", so you know he plays for keeps.
MVC1 is on GGPO, I was running some pretty lagless vampire savior on that yesterday vs some dude from the states. NO LAG whatsoever, also got my ass whooped, it was great
You have got to introduce me to it sometime. I feel that, above all else, the next step for me in terms of improving myself is to take on some of those bastards online, and see what I've got against them.
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NEO:
Dunno who Analyst is. I've never come across a Strider that is as good as mine (well, at my peak I suppose) here, far less on the level of CTF (note that what we do and what CTF isn't much different; they're just flat out better, though the highest levels also use guard breaks and a lot of uncombos, which I've yet to see anyone doing here). I used to get 30 win streaks in Colsort Mall with Strider/GWM, once upon a time.
On a side note, there is never a time when Wolverine does not want to throw. There's a whole style of play with Wolvie that involves nothing but jumping in and throwing.air throwing anything that moves (because, stupidly enough, Wolverine has the longest throw range in the game).
re: GGPO
Be warned: There is slight lag in GGPO, so there are still some tactics that only work online.
Also, watch out for 190812308102938092 DWMs.
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Although I understand what you ppl are saying, how is it then that I can still perform with my honour intact? I already understand that not everyone is cut from the same moral cloth, in gaming or in life. DO NOT at the same time expect me to view you as a skilled contender if you turn MvC into a WRESTLING MATCH. I won't complain during the fight but that doesn't mean I didn't notice. Honestly, that just gives me more incentive to PUNISH you. Gentlemen, this is a talk that I have walked and many a cheapster has fallen at my feet. Simply put, NORMAL THROWS REQUIRE NO SKILL. Infinites in MvC aren't as easy to set up as in Xmen vs SF, grab moves a-la Zangief/Morrigan take hand-speed and a sharp, steady head to pull off, air throws at least require some timing but I repeat, NORMAL THROWS REQUIRE NO SKILL. If you then want to make that a strategy, fine. That's your perogative. It does not change the fact that your resulting strategy will have the tactical depth of a saucer of milk.
And NEO is right. My face alone spoke VOLUMES when I Max-Spidered into a bloody bouquet. That didn't change the fact that I had a mission to complete. En lieu of that, RIDICULOUS throwing doesn't change the fact that I still have a battle to finish and such self-imposed standards can potentially hinder more than help. I understand the point you guys are making.
What I'm saying is, if I can kick butt and fight with the best of them without what I perceive to be lowering my standards, why should I then betray such a battle ethic? Am I not still a worthy adversary? Just read my analysis of my and NEO's fight. I can do more than just mindless grabbing and still win. Albeit it's HARDER considering NEO just got back from the Shaolin Temple of wherever he disappeared to but that just gives me more reason to push myself harder and rise to meet him. *Me eh fraid DAT.* Consider it the Naruto complex.
I have an idea: Friday is my off day from work. I'd LOVE to fight ANY of you. Do your worst. If you can BEAT me into submission, if you can PROVE that my honour is just a weight I need not carry, I'll concede. I'll even record the fights and post it for all to see.
Consider that an open challenge to ALL of you; rb, Ultima, ALL of you. Not you, though, NEO. We've fought and both you and JD know my style. I feel no need to prove this to you two (or should I?). When next WE fight, it will be for the test of the battle itself, not to determine the validity of my fighting philosophy. I'd like to think I've still proven myself even with my *ahem* scrub's honour.
This is different. This will either solidify or shatter my entire nindo. So, rb and Ultima... What say you?
It may seem a bit over-the-top and unduly intense but this has been my fighting way for ALL aspects of my life; Work, school, martial arts, relationships, church, EVERYTHING. Pride, honour, respect; how I fight, why I fight - I've NEVER had to question my nindo nor has it ever been questioned... Until now. I like to answer questions. Now answer mine - Do you accept?
My email is in my profile and I can be reached at 780-7344 or 486-0503. Just say the word.
Spine longer dan twine,
Q.
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BTW, I'm also a KI 2 player and even KI has throws. As much as I expand my horizons, I'm just a Ryu fan at heart. I only leave him out when he's tactically incapable. I myself like the underdogs as opposed to the gaming whores that everybody frequents i.e. Spidey, Wolverine, Morrigan to a lesser extent.
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honor vs playing to win, i dunno about you, but I will do what I need to in order to get the win, once it is within the rules of the game, in other words if its tournament legal it will be fair game to me, regardless of what the other player thinks. Call it whatever you want, a win is a win. I could care less if my strategy was akin to a pile of crap, if its getting the job done then why should I bother.
re: throws
throw escapes have been in everything since like super turbo, if you can't throw escape or tech hit at least, it makes it harder, but the mechanic is there.
re: challenge
Sorry I don't play MVC1, I always did hate the game, I do play 2 on occassion though. Ultima will have to take you up on that if he so chooses. Let me tell you what I do play so can probably decide an alternative. Dunno if you do the PS2 thing either, doesnt matter to me really cause I got my own stick.
3rd Strike, Guilty Gear XX Accent Core, KOF98 & XI, MVC2, VS, Alpha 2, will dabble in Alpha 3, Rage of the Dragons, Melty Blood, er a set of games no ones probably ever heard, games I can't remember right now.
The ball is in your court.
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Fair enough. I can't lay down a fierce challenge then PLUCK you from your element. At least I know you won't be at a disadvantage. That's cool.
I've played 3rd Strike but I prefer 2nd Impact. Still, that could happen. I'm VERY rusty in KOF 98. I more play 2002 now for the flashy DMs. I'm luvin Alpha 3 right now. ROTD could happen too. It's not one of my favourites but I always liked Double Dragon so any extension has my attention. I CAN'T STAND MvC 2. I think the genre has come too far since Xmen vs SF to breed a game with so many bugs. To me it's little more than a cheese-fest. Still, I dabble. I'm a combo fan so I find the super cancels attractive.
The most feasible that I can see happening is Alpha 3 or MvC 2 in St James. That could happen any day this week. How's Thursday from say 5:30?
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Believe it or not folks, i am at a total loss as to who Q is....i am supposed to be in trincity mall this saturday why dont you come show yourselves there i promise it will be fun
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ok the 12th in trincity mall, what time where ah go definitly duck out of work to be there.
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JD... I'm the Ryu who likes to change clothes mid-combo. When you see me, you'll remember me.
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lemme see lp > fp > change to akuma > double super? thats you? lol small world hoss now i remember (given if you are one who plays this combo to death)...
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OPTIMUS RYU.....he transforms AND rolls out.
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lol Thank you NEO. Indeed. VERY refreshing to know that ppl actually read YouTube descriptions.
Leave it be, JD. Ppl are starting to take credit for what's not theirs so I have to make sure I have it cleaner than they do. How would you feel if someone referred to you as a WM/GoldWM clone? These young cubs have no respect for the elder wolves of the Colsort pack.
That's another reason I started uploading videos- COPYRIGHTING. That's a practice I recommend you guys adopt, btw.
JD with WM/Gold WM, NEO with the Firewall crew, the most practical Megaman/Roll I know of, my obsession with perfecting Ryu and other noteworthy fighters that I may not even know of... We have all made some mark by what we do and how we do it. I intend to make mine a lasting one. I think we all should. We each display a talent that warrants no less.
From the moment we are born, we begin to die and immortality is as simple as doing something that you alone can or that you alone do best. :clock:
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Q I must admit, I love reading these sermon like posts and I do hope they continue.
couple things though -
- You can't exactly copyright something thats been discovered aeons ago elsewhere especially in a game like MVC1, where the only new stuff being discovered is new ways to infinite mcs all over the screen.
- JD is a WM/GWM Clone sadly.. thats the team that led to the downward spiral of MVC1 in 99/2000, that 1 team broke the game to the point no one cared anymore, it is the best team in the game as pointed out by Ultima.
In Guilty Gear XX AC I play Eddie, and as far as I know locally I am the only person playing Eddie that can do the things I do (unblockable combos into instant kill etc), never would I copyright that as my own as it's been known since day 2 of the games release. Yeah I'm the only person doing it, but its not mine.
The only way now to really copyright something is to discover it before anyone else and then make it known to the masses before it is spread around by someone else. Kinda reminds me of when GGXX Slash came out and while playing around for a couple days I noticed Order Sol may have had a dust loop variation so off I went to irc and lo and behold they were already discussing setups.
These "younger cubs" have access to a whole boatload of more information than you older guys did and believe me we make good use of it.
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The time's drawing near, folks.
What I want to know is....is there anyone who could walk with a camcorder or whatnot to record matches? There is a certain scrub online that doesn't believe me when I told him about my competitiveness with Roll, and I'd really like to shut him up.
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lol I don't usually talk that much. I'm only saying what I honestly believe. I'm glad you appreciate it.
The combos that I have on YouTube right now were combos that I've been doing since before the turn of the millenium. It's only now that I'm able to record upload them. My Megaman combo is now a decade old and I made sure to check EVERY MvC combo vid for Ryu. Believe me, it's MINE. I GUARANTEE YOU that you will not see Ryu change > Uppercut Super/Double Team in any other combo vid on YouTube. Anywhere in this country alone you see that combo, that's where I've been. I always tell ppl "Feel free to use it. Just remember the address." All I want is my props.
See for yourself. I recorded this at the Mall: http://youtube.com/watch?v=s7R-XhxzGHI
The best I've seen with Ryu is the Triple Super Spin Kick combo. I took it and improved it but never claimed it (Conscience forbids). I've done all these things in Trincity already. I can assure you that there is no more proficient Ryu than mine.
That's another difference between the old school and the new. I paid my dues and learnt Ryu the hard way: Trial and error. Anybody can "Google" a game or a character and copy but it takes something extra to learn a player i.e. LP does this or MK is good air defense or this move makes for a good counter or things like that. Anybody who has ever consciously PUT IN TIME to totally learn a char knows what I'm saying. The dedication, discipline, occasional heartbreak but resulting satisfaction of knowing that you did this. Even if you didn't do it first, you did it on your own. That's a satisfaction WELDED to your psyche, never to fade away.
It's easy to improve, even easier to copy but I guarantee you will know no greater self-satisfaction than that of work well done with your own two hands.
Meditate on that.
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Good morning NEO. That's what I'm talking about. Let the world know your name. Love you or loathe you, no one can deny what you can do once they see it with their own two eyes.. Consider it a resume. lol
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Hey im no clone!!! lol i got my ass busted badly for those moves you see me do. only recently have i accepted some pointers from ultima. my DWM are 2nd to none. its not the best but i can still dish it out. i was amazed when i looked up for mvc1 combos on youtube... there are so many.... but putting that aside i am not a clone. all i have is my trial n error. had i been a clone dear rb meh boy i would have researched these combos along time ago n learnt the infinites. so your point has just been cut off there lol. saturday is it fellows. saturday let no man make a mistake we will capitalize on it.
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As I posted in the MvC2 thread, i will not be available for anything this weekend. Real Life™ has gotten in the way (need to get stuff sorted out with my car on Saturday, and company fete [that I really don't want to go to, but have to] on Sunday). >:|
Also Q:
Simply put, NORMAL THROWS REQUIRE NO SKILL
Instant failure. I stopped reading your post after that.
Also, LOL at bragging about Ryu switch combos that a) are old as the hills (circa ~1999) and b) no one actually bothers to do in a real match because they're worthless (actually, Ryu on the whole is worthless in a real match, but oh well). Learning a character on your own is great an all, but when you'll get no props for learning stuff that everyone else learned years ago and try to claim it as your own because you didn't see it before, especially stuff that the rest of us moved past because it sucks.
You play in St. James? I've been hella busy and haven't been able to go there for 6 weeks now, but I was going every Friday regularly at oe point and dominating on MvC2. Next week I might be able to put in an appearance on Monday or Wednesday evening if you can make it.
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thats true about combos in all games.u cant patent a combo thats f****in insane. :protest: people will laugh.
I once saw two guys actually fight over a combo one claiming the other stole HIS combo. Real fight eh.
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Oh, sure you can "patent" a combo, team, tactic, whatever. But just like with real patents, you just have to make sure you were the first one to find said combo/team/tactic. After all, we have personalized stuff like Valle CC, BAS VCs, ROM infinite, and a bunch of special teams in MvC2 (Row, Santhrax, Watts, etc). Switch combos done 9 years after the fact do not fall into this category.
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thats true about combos in all games.u cant patent a combo thats f****in insane. :protest: people will laugh.
I once saw two guys actually fight over a combo one claiming the other stole HIS combo. Real fight eh.
Ah, ha, ha, ha!! Oh MAN.
Anyway, it is true....you can't really lay claim to a combo, since the likelihood exists that somebody else in the world may have also found it. However, you can put your own "signature" on combos (for example, some of my competitors know me well for opening up people with Mega Man's LK, MK to unleash a LOT of crap upon them.)
However, there are a few rare instances where somebody actually can lay claim to being an innovator.
For example, people on the whole did not even know about Roll's false launcher (an OTG Jab to Fierce Punch) to initiate air combos until Talon Icehawk demonstrated it in his Roll combo videos (go look it up on YouTube).
Still, though.....can't really claim any one combo is 'yours', to say the least.
Remember that there are millions of players all over the world, and you never know when one of them found out about that combo earlier than you did, if even by accident.
Simply put, NORMAL THROWS REQUIRE NO SKILL
Instant failure. I stopped reading your post after that.
Sad to say, that's a classic example of Rule #1. (http://gatt.carigamers.com/index.php/topic,13570.0.html)
If anybody has a problem with throws, I'm sorry, but read that article.
I'm sorry for being so blunt in there, but it's for your own good.
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When/if I play Q, someone remind me to throw him 98120938 times.
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lol
Don't sing it, Ultima... BRING IT. I'll be in St James tomorrow. I won't be there any time this week because I have the late shift and they close before I get off work and get there.
In any case, I've been doing those combos since 97/98 (somewey dey) when the game was actually fresh. As I stated when I uploaded the footage to YouTube, it is only NOW that I've been able to record and upload them (I had CXC for goodness sake). I'm pretty sure it's MINE. Any where you see that combo, the same will be said: That's Q's. ANYWHERE... South, Tom's in San Juan, Chaguanas, I did it in St James just yesterday, Long Circular (when it was alive), Knight Raiders on Charlotte St, Gulf City, etc. I've literally done it all over the country. Even if they don't know my name, they'll describe me. It's only since I've joined this site that I've started actively using my name. I usually just kill and fade away and ppl only got my name by watching me sign. All I ever tell those who ask me is "Sure, I'll teach it to you. Go ahead and use it. Just remember the address." That's just locally, spanning close to a decade. If after a decade you still have yet to see it anywhere else then why fight me down? I've got too much pride to claim a technique that isn't mine. The second anybody honestly shows me that they did it before me, I'll not only let you know, I'll change my name.
And yes, it's impractical. One super would do the same damage but as impractical as it is, I do my change combos for two reasons: 1) The occasional mind-shag of shocked non-believers who've never seen it and 2) Because it's one of the skills that makes my Ryu unique and personal and serves as a manifestation of the time I put in to learn him throughly in MvC.
As far as the likelyhood goes, NEO, is it really that hard to believe that someone in Trinbago did something before the rest of the (gaming) world? We are a very bright ppl here... We just do stupid sh*t.
Now, Ultima... Ryu USELESS in MvC? I'll see you choke on a Sho Ryu Ken but I promise I won't laugh...
Hard.
You name the place, I'll dig your grave;
Q.
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BTW, I've just read Rule 1. I have accepted it. As I said before, that doesn't mean I like it and it CERTAINLY doesn't mean that I'm going to rely on it. The most I'll do is joke about it. I have actually played a hold-game before. Some n00b in XMenvSF saw me do some supers and combos and said "I doh need dem ting. I'll fling yuh mudda c$%#." and he threw me like a bag of rice using Alpha Chun Li. Jump kick, throw... Kick super, throw... Block my combo, throw. WHOLE GAME. He literally made no more than 2 hits at a time. His associate said "Nah hoss. Dat rell sad." and he said "Well why he eh grab meh back den?"
All I did was put in another coin and softly, sweetly said "This is why I don't grab..." He was done faster than popcorn in Hiroshima and Mac-a-cheese in Chernobyl (Ah REEEEEEEELL fling dat) and he still has the gall to say "Buh u rell stink hoss". I actually choked on a laugh. The clock was still in the 70's.
I can grab. I know others will grab. I know grabbing is part of the game. I'd just really rather not. Those who do will still get human respect from me (It's still a game after all) but I'll fight you with a condescending, brutal style, almost like swatting a fly. I'll just dispatch you, post haste.
I accept it, I accept that others will do it but I don't like it and I won't follow suit. Why is that so hard to understand? :ko:
I love the rest of the rules, esp. #3. I remember my first thought when I saw NEO's Roll in 2000/2001 (somewey dey): This will be most interesting.
I learnt very early that in this life, EVERYBODY'S got an ace in the hole... In gaming and in reality.
In other words, DOH WATCH NOBODY SLIGHT.
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Not that I really give a flying turd about MvC1 and all that, but I do think that it's wrong to say a combo is "yours". It is just a matter of discovery and who's playing around with whatever for however long or who came across whatever by accident.
Discover would be a better word to use but in all actuality, even the use of that word in this case is tragically flawed. Thinking rationally, one can deduce the fact that that which does not exist, cannot be found or discovered. You can't discover something that was always there. Like that bullshit story about Isaac Newton and gravity for instance. If an "apple" didn't hit him on the head when he slept, do you think we'd be with or without gravity? It's common sense really.
For the sake of poking fun as well, I think many of the viewpoints in this thread are woefully sad.
Enjoy the darkness.
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i invented the internet
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*reads last 2 pages of posts*
OK then.. I am definitely going to be passed around like a noob Murray street whore...
My only goal today is to at least make sure that my opponent has to fight hard for the win. I am nowhere near the skill level of you guys but I will still play you and enjoy it.
I know I came sooooo close to actually beating NEO once, and once even had JD on low life. But I am satisfied with that...
I'll try to practice on a computer today and hope I can at least not look like every other grub in the mall today.
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Not that I really give a flying turd about MvC1 and all that, but I do think that it's wrong to say a combo is "yours". It is just a matter of discovery and who's playing around with whatever for however long or who came across whatever by accident.
Discover would be a better word to use but in all actuality, even the use of that word in this case is tragically flawed. Thinking rationally, one can deduce the fact that that which does not exist, cannot be found or discovered. You can't discover something that was always there.
I see someone got an "A" in semantics... In any case, it wasn't an accident. I set out to see if it would work and it did. All haters can call it what they wish. All this undue fuss makes me wonder if you ppl ever did something on your own or are you all just net-babies whose entire strategy is nothing more than fodder from an old web page. If that's the case, that is woefully sad.
It's no wonder the standard is what it is... Nobody tries anything on their own anymore. That's why a copied strategy is almost an expectation. *I feel tears coming on...* More's the pity that I can't be there today.
I'd love to face you and that pseudo-intellectual nonsense on the battlefield.
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Regardless of how many strategies you may invent, a win is still a win regardless of what strategy is used.
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Now that my sanity has returned, all I'll say is there will be another time. I'll face you all and words will become irrelevant. Say what you wish now. Just be sure that you intend to say it on the field as well. If you're not ready to put up, SHUT UP. I'm looking for killers, not oral assassins so mouth-murderers need not apply or is it that you guys are all talk?
Waiting for any and all comers,
Q
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well i'll refrain from attempting to assassinate you and go back to the games that I can get some comp in. Considering everyone here has played each other I'd watch who you're calling the "all talk and no action" considering that up til now thats what you have been doing as well. Good ploy to get ppl out though. I'll leave you guys to talk about that game you guys play. I know I got nothing to prove.
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Quite amusing this. Semantics? I'm pleased to inform you that you are horribly mistaken. Some combos are found by accident others from research and development. In any of these circumstances, you still did not or rather could not have invented anything. You CAME ACROSS it through testing.
I mean, you don't need to think very far outside that constricting box of yours to realize that video games are based on a set of predetermined rules and programming. Some rules can be bent while others can be broken. Yes I sound like Morpheus right about now but that's the reality of the thing.
If you play your game of choice, which seems to be MvC1 and did an aerial rave for the first time in your life, would you be saying I "invented" this?
I wasn't planning on having much to say about this but it's not very hard to force my argumentative side out of me these days.
I've visited one or two of your "combos" and while I'm no hardcore MvC1 player, I can say that the combos you've displayed are what is indeed woefully displeasing. The practicality on those things are ZERO and they're an utter waste of supers for the trade in damage they do. While they're YOUR prized "possessions", personally, if I played the game to any semi-serious degree, I wouldn't put my name anywhere near those thing without informing people that they are just things I did for fun. For the most part, that whole transformation into super thing looks like a easy link. Feel free to flame me though because I'm not MvC1 god or anything.
I will say this as well. I like your attitude to an extent but you seem to be dreadfully misinformed as to what "the standard" is down here. MvC1 is only one game. I only used to play XvsSF but I've abandoned that over the years. Everybody and their dog and infinite that game to death and it's kind of annoying. Still, I'm not knocking infinites in any form or fashion. That's how the game is played.
Be very careful however, with the small talk you engage yourself in. You couldn't possibly expect to take on any and all comers if you've only been playing in one corner of the arcades you've been to. If you dared to come out of your "safe haven" maybe then I'd feel we'd have a middle passage but as I see it, you're not more than an overzealous one trick pony who doesn't have much to be overzealous about in the first place.
And I do agree with you on that pseudo-intellectual thing. I never claimed to be the smartest fool on here. You can have that honour if it's what you wish, but this whole discussion leads me to lean the other way in my assessments of your thinking and abilities.
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Should I take that as and invitation? As you rightly said, MvC is only 1 game and I stated on this site and others reasons for such a combo. I'm aware that they're impractical. That has been established. As far as being an "overzealous one-trick pony" goes, as I said before... Don't sing it, BRING IT. If you're right, how else will I know? Indulge me. If you're wrong and I pwn you, it may be just the lesson you need. How do you know? I also play other games beside MvC so that's not even a question. That reminds me...
rb... Didn't I challenge you to SF Z3 already? Where were you? I was in St James waiting. I made it clear that I'll take you on in your element too but apparently you're more interested in chatterboxing than boxing.
Look... All I want is the opportunity to see whose point of view will be made manifest when it comes to actual combat. I heard that you guys are elite and I want to walk my talk and see how I stack up. I'm BORED when I go out but you're supposed to be levels above me. Well, come down from your Ivory towers and FIGHT.
It is said that you ppl are great ones... I want to see why. Do I have a place on this phantom Mt Olympus or not? If so, where is it? Do you deserve yours or not? I just want a real, actual, genuine fight for a change. *Consider the redundancies an expression of bored desperation.*
What say you now?
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I am the Great ONE! Can't you smell it ?
The Rock aint got nothing on me. Rambo Bhiswhanatsingh is the real great one!
shit talk aside I work monday to saturday 9 - 6pm, which means I won't be making the trek to POS to play in St. James. Plus I'd rather play on my own stick :D. Quickest way this'll happen is if you decide to get some console action going, otherwise it'll depend on some random saturday that I'm free.
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Sounds like a plan, rb. I was there just today. Based on all that has been said here so far by myself and others, I decided to go to St James (closest to work) and just fight hard. Just indiscriminate homicide... GENOCIDE. No tricks, no gentle teaching of the n00bs, just murder. As an added challenge, I chose the crappy sides on purpose. In all the games, over an hour of combat, I only lost once. On crappy sticks, I only lost once in an hour. I fought in Alpha 3, XmenvSF, MvC, SF EX2, SamSho IV and SF3. I lost once in XMen because of a crappy stick. That was it. That's how it is EVERYWHERE.
All BS aside, I'm SICK of the n00bs. Seriously, I just want some real challenges before I sign off of gaming on the whole. That's why I started uploading movies, MUGEN and otherwise.
I really think I can take you guys on... ALL of you. Even if I can't, better to drown amongst the wolves than to sail amongst the sheep. I'm FED UP. It's depressing. Even if at the end of it I'm just a sheep myself, how else will I know? I'll actually feel better. For now, I just feel like a big fish in a lil pond, as they say. There's just nobody else to fight. That's what I thought I found here... Something to work towards and challenges to meet.
It's just no fun anymore. Why do you think my "purist" philosophy was able to remain unchallenged? You don't have to really open it up to win out here anymore. I've literally spanned the country searching.
That's all, folks. I just want fights worth winning or losing for a change, no matter what game, where or who. Once I play it and I'm open, I'm there.
My # is in my profile, rb. Once I'm off (I work shift), I'll be there. "Scrub's" honour.
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BTW Imperial, I became aware of the programming aspect with my exposure to MUGEN and subsequent research. I'm aware that there's only so much you can do with set rules. Look past the letter and look at the spirit of what I said.
I'll only flame you if at the end of it all, we don't fight. That's all I want. The BS is just amusement. Half the fight is the HYPE.
I'm just so bored.
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Sadly, today's sweat was virtually called on account of NOOB.
Like an entire swarm of them.
The only worthwhile competition around was JD, and even he didn't stick around for long. Argh.
I just got fed up and left around 6-ish, or so.
By the way....did you know Roll's crouching FK can go under a lot of things?
Namely:
1) War Machine's crouching FP;
2) War Machine's low Shoulder Cannon;
3) Psylocke.
The last two you'd have to time, though.
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lol, Q bringing the rhetoric hard core. I suspect he has the talant to back it up.
I want to see those upcoming battles yes.
good job hypin the scene.
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As selfish as it sounds, I'm glad I didn't miss much. Although I would've enjoyed NEO and JD's fighting company, I'm guessing the evening was generally more like a buffet than a hunt.
I've got something, NGW. I just want the chance to see if it's enough to slay some Titans.
I hope to be there the next time the battle horn is sounded. 'Til next sweat, gents.
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Q, if you're up for it, we could probably meet next sunday for some alpha 3 on console up at java. Same goes for ultima but alpha 2 and more accent core.
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Sure. I should be free. Just say what time. I'm not sure where Java is but I'll be there, better yet if it's along the East-West corridor. Where is it and what time? Should I refresh on my Vampire Saviour as well? What else would you like to fight in?
*Pardon my enthusiasm. It's been a while since I've had an actual appointment for battle.*
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Honestly, I'd have to tell you fellas good luck with that Alpha 3 garbage. I don't know what any of you see in that game.
More than likely I should have a ps2 on Sunday should I swing through.
My hands are cold but we'll see how things go.
Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike
Guilty Gear: Accent Core
Street Fighter: Anniversary Edition
Capcom vs SNK 2
Tekken 5 (sadly)
On Saturday, should I be available, I'll take you on in every fighting game at the arcade in Trincity mall. Best out of 3 each game good enough for you or is 1 good? I'll let you know if I can make it by Thursday but Sunday should be spot on at java. Be advised, bring your best.
BTW. That "elite" crap needs to stop. We're all noobs.
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I'll take you up on that CVS2 there I guess..
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BTW. That "elite" crap needs to stop. We're all noobs.
A lot of us are. That's why we've got to step up our game and stop doing crap, which was what I saw this Saturday.
I'm not looking down on anybody, or anything like that, but when people say and do things like:
-"It make no sense putting coins in there!"
- Mashing on buttons as if they were being attacked by a horny grizzly bear;
- Getting beaten on Perfect and jump in again for a repeat performance;
- Trying to mash for 'Combo Breakers' (That's Killer Instinct, geniuses...)
...is it really any wonder why we'd comprise mainly of noobs, and not people who actually think out their games?
That's why I made that guide up in 'Console Gaming'....for people to actually read my two cents as to how they could improve themselves as gamers.
P.S.: Said examples all happened at the sweat.
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Actually, there are some instances where I'll refuse to play. Fighting aganist Akuma in 2I for example. What's the point? Unless you're playing Ibuki, you don't really stand a chance unless the Akuma uis really bad, at which point... it just proves he's a bad Akuma. I also refuse to play against Zangief in HF because I play M.Bison, and GOD's M.Bison can't beat a Zangief who's awake.
Q:
I know it's short notice, but I can be in St.James today from about 5:30 PM to 7:00 PM. Let me know. Won't have any other time this week: My brother and family are in town, so my free time is extremely limited.
MvC1 in St. James is still on high damage and has suspect controls? I only played once about two months ago and I wrote it off.
Imperial:
Have you ever had to fought super turtle Chun-lis in A2? Let me put it this way: SFA3 is the way it is (barring, perhaps, the bizarre hit detection) because A2 was such a horrible HORRIBLE turtle fest. >:|
And a correction: YOU might be a "noob", but all of this stuff is ancient to me. Trinidad is still catching up to stuff I've seen/experience years ago. ;)
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MvC1 in St. James is still on high damage and has suspect controls?
Yup. I played there as recently as December, and that's a perfect description of that machine.
Actually, there are some instances where I'll refuse to play. Fighting aganist Akuma in 2I for example. What's the point? Unless you're playing Ibuki, you don't really stand a chance unless the Akuma is really bad, at which point... it just proves he's a bad Akuma. I also refuse to play against Zangief in HF because I play M.Bison, and GOD's M.Bison can't beat a Zangief who's awake.
High-tiers are not invincible. Annoying, and remarkably difficult, but they're not unbeatable.
In any case, fellas, give me a heads up here.
When can we organise a proper sweat in MvC1 again?
Keep in mind that February/Early March is out for me due to my YGO tournament being held around that time, followed by me going on vacation afterwards.
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NEO:
No, they're not "invincible". But it really depends on the game, and who you play.
Akuma in Super Turbo, for example, is the King of all Broken characters. He beats EVERYONE. There is NO CHARACTER who can beat him. The only character who can beat Akuma is Akuma. This is no-disputable. PLay against an Akuma who knows what he's doing with anyone other that AKuma, and you will not win. Well, you might win one out of, say, 20 matches or soemthing. Maybe the Akuma player is fatigued and loses concentration or something. Maybe he gets hit by lightning. That;s pretty much the only circumstances in which you can win that match.
Akuma in Second Impact is only slightly below ST Akuma for sheer brokenness. Yeah, I've beaten Akumas before, but he's absolutely not worth fighting if Akuma even partially knows what he's doing (read: Divekick x N). I haven't had a single 2I match in the last 5 or 6 years that didn't devolve to someone picking Akuma on me to win at some point, at which point I just walk away. It proves nothing. The only character who can give Akuma trouble is Ibuki, and while I could practice for a couple months to get my Ibuki up to gear, the game isn't worth it to me to put in that much work, cause I still have to work a lot harder with Ibuki to win.
As for Gief vs. Bison, that's a 10-0 match in Gief's favour. Gief has to screw up about 1890712893798 times for Bison to win, while M.Bison can play absolutely perfectly and still die. Gief's not high tier (no.5 or 6 at best, though Bison IS the worst character in the game) It's just a character design mismatch.
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Unfortunately no, Ultima. I have the late shift this week and I don't get off until 7 (DAMMIT). In any case, as you and NEO said, MvC 1 in St James is indeed ridiculous with the damage and the board sux. This was as recent as Saturday.
As far as SF3: 2I goes, all I have to say is Akuma is a secret player for a reason. He's supposed to be that ridiculous. The only thing they didn't do was give him EX moves (powered up versions of normal moves). What makes it worse is that the Raging Demon is actually comboable. Still, I refuse to run from a fight. NEO expressed a sentiment I share concerning high tier chars. They may be pains where it hurts most but they have lifebars too and they bleed like any other player. It's improbable but not impossible.
rb, sure. Why not? I play it in South sometimes but it usually turns into a jab-fest. LP/LK right through... And still I fight. I prefer SvC Chaos but I'm game for CvS2.
Imperial, even if you're correct and we're all actually eating a big dish of n00bage with a side of denial, I REFUSE to be counted among the current crop of button-mashing headless chickens who think that ownership of a console equates to being crowned king of the gaming universe and that anybody who can string more than 6 hits together is a "stinkman"... Again, this was as recent as Saturday.
You clearly haven't been in the field for a while.
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...you need to start playing some newer games man lol
lol @ stinkman, i wonder what would happen if I painted a fence or two...
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lol @ an akuma getting struck by lightning in order to be defeated.
This thread is pure entertainment yes.
Yeah, that's one thing about Alpha 3, it is generally very anti-turtle.
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Q:
The "secret character" argument doesn't hold water. Secret characters aren't always broken or even good (see also: Roll, Orange Hulk). Akuma is sometimes the best character even when not a secret character (SFA3). It really depends on the game.
"Improbably not impossible" is also a bit of a wash. Nothing is "impossible", but there are some matches you can't win without a skill gap. And against some characters, or in certain matches, you can win only with a GIGANTIC skill gap. I'm just a bit more aware of these gaps than most people here, and choose not to waste my time accordingly.
re: St.James
I play SFA3 as well, BTW (not very good and I haven't played in years, but eh; I can probably still scrub out with X-Rolento). We can also play that as well. The next time I'd be available... crap, Saturday 2:00 PM to 4:00 PM maybe? Maybe Friday? Friday's have become very frustrating of late; either I can play games/go liming, OR I can have have sex with see my wife, but not both. >:|
Also:
Imperial, even if you're correct and we're all actually eating a big dish of n00bage with a side of denial, I REFUSE to be counted among the current crop of button-mashing headless chickens who think that ownership of a console equates to being crowned king of the gaming universe and that anybody who can string more than 6 hits together is a "stinkman"...
LOl, WUT. Who was talking about any of this? We're just not going to give you props for 9 year old combos that aren't worth doing. Congrats if you discovered them on your own and all, but... no. No one cares if you can do impractical stuff (unless you're going for really impressive stuff, or can just break the game to pieces; see also Mike Z, NKI) unless you can win with it.
While on this note, no one really cares if you discover stuff on your own or if you parrot and repeat stuff. YOU might care, but no one else does. All that matters is results.
Frankly, if you've been dominating with *Ryu*, I'm inclined to believe you're playing a bunch of scrubs and somehow avoided actual good players; I know *I've* been to Long Circular (many times), Colsort Mall (sporadically while it was open) and Night Raiders (occasionally, mostly in first half of 2004 when I worked nearby), and I never met anyone who was especially good at the game. Some surprisingly good Spider-Mans, some average Striders, but that's about it. Nothing that wouldn't have been destroyed in a random MvC1 tournament in the US in its heydey.
NEO and JD are the only notable players I've seen at the game in Trinidad, and for different reasons; NEO actually makes a rubbish team work (though upon further analysis, it's mainly that NEO beasts with Megaman; NEO's is not even the best Megaman I've ever seen, actually, but I'm too out of practice to do much about it right now, so that's unlikely to change soon) and JD for being the only person who plays the best team in the game (DWM) regularly, which makes him dangerous by default.
But hey, I could be wrong. Maybe you are some God with Ryu and I just missed you repeatedly. Who do you play in the other games?
rb:
I think much worse that Paint the Fence is Blanka going all Pikachu on you. You at least have to get hit by something before you have to worry about Paint the Fence. >:|
(God, I hate CvS2).
EDIT: Fixed the [strike] tag and removed the double post.
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rb:
I think much worse that Paint the Fence is Blanka going all Pikachu on you. You at least have to get hit by something before you have to worry about Paint the Fence. >:|
(God, I hate CvS2).
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that also depends if the blanka can RC at all....
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I can do neither. :(
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Imperial, even if you're correct and we're all actually eating a big dish of n00bage with a side of denial, I REFUSE to be counted among the current crop of button-mashing headless chickens who think that ownership of a console equates to being crowned king of the gaming universe and that anybody who can string more than 6 hits together is a "stinkman"...
LOl, WUT. Who was talking about any of this?
Actually, Q was responding to this:
BTW. That "elite" crap needs to stop. We're all noobs.
We were pretty much done discussing the 'original combos' matter, anyway.
Frankly, if you've been dominating with *Ryu*, I'm inclined to believe you're playing a bunch of scrubs and somehow avoided actual good players; I know *I've* been to Long Circular (many times), Colsort Mall (sporadically while it was open) and Night Raiders (occasionally, mostly in first half of 2004 when I worked nearby), and I never met anyone who was especially good at the game. Some surprisingly good Spider-Mans, some average Striders, but that's about it. Nothing that wouldn't have been destroyed in a random Mvc2 tournament in the US in its heydey.
Actually, it's possible to actually dominate a match with Ryu, but it's tricky and you really have to know what you're doing.
I'm of the opinion that the MSHvsSF version of Ryu is the best one out of the whole series, in any case, but MvC Ryu can hold his own...somewhat. Picturing him against a seasoned Wolverine or Strider Hiryu....eh. To date, I have really yet to see anyone play Ryu and cause grief except for the CPU, which is sheer tears especially on Stage 6 or 7.
On another note, Night Raiders and Consort Mall were also my old hangouts, more Consort Mall than anything because the competition there was the best you'd get in Port of Spain. It's a shame those damn sprangers that hung out there had to ruin it for everybody (Thanks a LOT, you no good theiving f**kers.)
Ultima, I don't suppose you remember the old crew?
I remember people like Chinee, Gambit, David, Daniel, Plugs (now known as Analyst) and even Mengsk used to come there.
Man, what I wouldn't give to face off against them again....AND give them an arse whopping they'll never soon forget.
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NEO:
Those aren't "noobs". They're just people hitting buttons. They don't even exist as far as I'm concerned.
"Dominate" and "Ryu" don't really belong in the same sentence. You can do okay with Ryu, but barring an enormous skill gap (in which case. you can dominate with anybody), he can be overwhelmed by sheer power. He can't stop any of the top tier nor second tier really. Sure, he might be able to hang with likes of Captain Nazi Killer, CapCom and Hulk, but that's about it really.
The best Ryu is XSF Ver 2.0 Ryu with the hilariously broken infinites. But in terms of overall tier placing, I agree that MSF Ryu is the best. I have Ryu top 5 in MSF (though no higher than 5).
As for the Crew, sorry, don't know those folks by name, though it's possible I've seen/played them. I've been going to arcades for years and have never known anyone, by either name nor nickname, aside from the SUPER OG players that I'm sure are long before the time of any of you. Guys like Kitt, Redman, Sharkee. Green Corner and Fun House (originally on St. Vincent Street and then later in St. James). I'm talking 1991-1993 here.
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The best Ryu is XSF Ver 2.0 Ryu with the hilariously broken infinites.
That game is so dead to me right now.
Sabretooth killed it. In the Arcade. With the 3 button CRAP.
In all seriousness, though, I've really stopped playing that game because, quite frankly, I royally tank when it comes to doing infinites. At times, matches can get so ridiculously one sided that there would be times when you'd watch one person pounding buttons in a DDR style sequence, and the other's either slumped over just watching the guy beat him down to nothing or frantically trying to 'mash out of it' even when it's a futile effort. So, I've stopped bothering with it altogether.
NEO and JD are the only notable players I've seen at the game in Trinidad, and for different reasons; NEO actually makes a rubbish team work (though upon further analysis, it's mainly that NEO beasts with Megaman; NEO's is not even the best Megaman I've ever seen, actually, but I'm too out of practice to do much about it right now, so that's unlikely to change soon) and JD for being the only person who plays the best team in the game (DWM) regularly, which makes him dangerous by default.
In my defense, though, my game was a tad sloppy during our matches.
You would have seen a lot better had you decided to stick around a bit longer, because my game had stepped up quite a bit once you left.
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Well, as you well know, *I'm* well off my peak as well. As I said, you're not the best Megaman I've seen nor faced.... maybe the 3rd. And Roll is mostly a non-factor.
re: XSF
Yeah, at its highest levels XSF was pretty much about landing the first hit in, proceed to infinite of choice. Except if you're playing with Storm, in which you case you just run all day and wait for your opponent to walk away in frustration when he realises he can't ever, ever catch her. Sabretooth's not even top tier tin that game, though he's probably the most braindead character to play.
My dexterity is awful, so I can only do simple easy infinites myself (Sabretooh, Magneto, Juggernaut). Been practicing Wolvie's main one, but can't get more than 2 or 3 repetitions regularly.
And LOL! XSF is probably one of the only two fighting games in the world (the original SF2 would be another, with no reversals) where throws are too good! How people can stand to play this game as anything except a puzzle game is beyond me.
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Well, as you well know, *I'm* well off my peak as well. As I said, you're not the best Megaman I've seen nor faced.... maybe the 3rd. And Roll is mostly a non-factor.
Show me #2 and #1 and I'll change your mind. ;)
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Doubtful. Though I know one - my former roommate - is long retired. It took me six months of practice to match and eventually surpass his level. The was a guy who used to put the fear of GOD into you no matter what team you had, such was the ferocity of his offense; I stole my Captain America from him. I'm still not sure if mine is ever as good as his was.
The other was a player from Virginia whose name escapes me at the moment. I keep thinking it's "The Great One" Ed Estuardo, one of the best players from there if not the best, but I'm really not sure. Anyway, this guy was one of those guys who used to do Megaman semi-infinites and super high hit combos (once saw him get 77 hits in a match in a tournament), and not crappy ones involving Megabuster charged for 3 days followed by Rush Drill ether. I remember watching him all slack jawed at him throwing everything and the kitchen sink into one combo that never seemed to stop (though it wasn't an infinite). He was absolutely amazing. I have no idea what happened to him though; I think he got lost in the MvC2 crowd.
I was considering putting you 4th, behind another another roommate who stole his Megaman from the aforementioned Roommate, but while he managed to get down Rockball trap into a science and could be a pain in the ass at times, he lacked certain fundamentals in other areas, so you come out ahead of him. But not the others.
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I will say in all honesty that NEO is the best live Megaman/Roll I've seen to date. I'm not talking about the console conquerers, I'm talking about trenchmen; Ppl still piling bodies on the field for me to see with my own two eyes, still facing non-players and crappy joysticks somewhere in a hole in the wall. *BTW, thanx for the recap, NEO. Always check previous posts, ppl.*
As for XSF, I've personally renamed that game "Who-can-do-their-infinite-first?"
It's just for old school sh*ts and giggles. Anybody still looking for fresh skill-based gameplay there may as well check a brothel for a virgin.
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or play guilty gear
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Times have changed drastically. The field is mostly on console now. Arcades are almost dead but in the few strongholds in which they still exist. Take a chill pill man. This isn't Call of Duty. I may have been able to relate with that at one point but reality still dictates that these are still fools playing video games.
The revolution is here. Ryde or die.
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Just by chance... has ne1 seen where the MARVEL VS CAPCOM 1 THREAD went to? i think i am in the wrong thread after the 12 or so posts of non MVC1 stuff.... lol but its all good ...
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I hear you @ Imperial.
BTW... Where is Java? Since the battlefield is changing I may as well have the new address.
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First Floor Campus House St Augustine opposite UWI entrance on the bus route.
You coming through on Saturday or what Q?
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re: "console conquerors"
Er, who plays MvC1 on console? The only console version is the Dreamcast version, and that version is rubbish.
So what's happening this weekend now and where? Saturday is unlikely to be good for me unless it's early afternoon, like 12:00 to 3:00 PM or something. As always, Sunday is still a better day for me.
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I was looking at Sunday actually. rb and I were going to slug it out in SFZ3 and CvS2. However, depending on what time the lady and I call it a day on Saturday, I may just pop in. What are the hours like (opening/closing)?
Thanx for the address, btw.
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re: "console conquerors"
Er, who plays MvC1 on console? The only console version is the Dreamcast version, and that version is rubbish.
So what's happening this weekend now and where? Saturday is unlikely to be good for me unless it's early afternoon, like 12:00 to 3:00 PM or something. As always, Sunday is still a better day for me.
*raises hand*
I can think of a much worse version of MvC than the Dreamcast. I should know. I own it for the Playstation ONE.
Well, Ultima, my schedule's wide open this Sunday, so if you want to make a pass say....around 1:00pm or so in Trincity, I'm down with that.
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FOr the record, Sunday is better for me too. I don't think anything is going on on my end, but I'm not 100% sure. I'm pretty sure I'll be free though. Again, though, 12:00 to 4:00 PM is the only time I'd have.
(SFZ3 I can handle, but CvS2? Yuck!)
NEO:
PSX MvC1 doesn't count.
I can't be in two places at once. Where's Q going to be? He's the one calling us out after all. :p
Also, do you know how MvC1 is at Play Max? It may be a little further (and they may not open on a Sunday), but Trinicity's $2.50 a coin rubbish is seriously making me balk. >:|
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I can think of a much worse version of MvC than the Dreamcast. I should know. I own it for the Playstation ONE.
AMEN to that. I actually forgot... Maybe I just wanted to repress the memory. o_O
I went to a friend's house and he had it. It was the WORST. You could only pick ONE fighter and a helper. The special double team (qcb, 3+6) was your char doing supers and the helper continuously appearing on screen.
I don't know if that's how it was on Dreamcast but that PS version was TERRIBLE.
Sunday I'll definitely be at Java. I agree with Ultima on the CvS2 but I'm not one to turn away a challenge just like that. I'll still give it a shot and honour rb's fight ticket. :banana:
Saturday I'll go to the Mall instead then. I hope to be there no later than 5:30 (I'll be coming from South).
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It's broken.
The machine wobbles, the joysticks don't work properly, and MP jams on the 1P side of the machine.
Q's calling us out?
Where, and what time, specifically?
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Ultima can make the Trincity run with NEO around 1, 2 and I should be in Java by about 3:30, 4. I'll most likely have household stuff otherwise I'd be in the Mall for 1 as well.
*New post*
Actually I was calling those whom I've never fought before but sure. We can make a day of it in Java. I'll be there from 3:30, 4 God's willing.
Aye, back to work for me. I'll check back tonight perhaps. For now, bottom line for me is once I'm alive, I'm there.
Enjoy the rest of your day, ppl.
EDIT: Do not double post or triple post, please. Use the 'Modify' button.
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re: MvC console
As I said, PSX version doesn't count. It didn't have the RAM to handle 4 independent characters, which removes the primary gimmick of the arcade version.
DC version had the basics, but fell apart in a few areas. Bizarre loud echo sound effects, and a 4-player mode that looked good on paper, but was absolutely unplayable in practice, especially by 4 players who knew what they were doing (main problem: The "Team Cheating" time was doubled! Inflict 200% block damage with DWM!). It had a few other glitches as well. We played it one afternoon and never went back to it; we preferred to pay money on our campus arcade to play it rather than play that version for free!
NEO:
Oi, that sucks. I guess overpriced Trinicity it is. >:|
Q:
Ugh. Java around 4:00PM? That's a bit late for me. That's about the time I would be looking to leave. >:|
I suppose I can ask the wife nicely to let me stay out a little longer. BUt I'd have to leave Java by 6:00 PM for the absolute latest.
IF Q is going to be there that late, I suppose I could play NEO a bit at Trincity first (assuming he show up on time!) then head down to Java. But it really depend on you guys showing up when you say you will. None of this "Meet for 1:00 PM, show up at 2:30 PM" crap. >:|
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i heard from a java employee that they open @ 7am daily (including sunday and they even opened christmas day!) so I guess a early sweat is possible. I can possibly make a saturday afternoon sweat from like 2pm - like 6pm in java as well.
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All righty then.
This Sunday at 1 it is. If anything, I'll hang out there for a short while, then head over to JAVA.
By the way, does anybody want me to bring MvC2 with me, while I'm at it?
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me :happy0203:
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I'll bring my PS2 and my joystick just in case. I'll bring Accent Core in case anyone wants to try that. Should I bring my Alpha Anthologies and (ugh) CvS2? I don't have MvC2 and my PS2 is (STILL!) not modded.
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...@ ppl invading meh sweat...if allyuh doh mind waiting til 6 sure bring marvel :D
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Wait: How many people are coming to this and who is challenging who now? I'm confused.
rb:
If it's Q vs. Everyone, what we need is a pecking order. We used to do this when I was back in college: If someone new wanted to challenge us, he had to face the established players in a certain order. He would start at whoever was the weakest at a particular game, and he would only be able to progress to the stronger players if he managed to beat the weaker ones first. The exact order used to differ from game to game (though naturally, I was either at the top or second to the top for every game ;) ) but the process was the same.
So by all means rb, you face Q first. :D
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so he faces you in cvs2 first huh
but i agree, an order would be good.
basically i'm down for anything but i'll be focusing on Q, Accent core and well Imperial in cvs2.
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Sounds fine to me. I'll consider it an old-fashioned Megaman Gauntlet. My weakest game mentioned so far is CvS2, then MvC2, then Alpha 3. If there's more, I'll see when I get there I guess.
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The converse is somewhat true for me.
Limited in SFA3, fairly okay in CvS2, a-okay in MvC2.
So...who's going to bring the hot Asian supermodels?
Can't have a sweat of epic proportions without the hot Asian supermodels...
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hmm for me its
A3 - limited
VS - limited
MVC2 - okayish
CVS2 - okayish
KOF98 - okayish
GGXXAC - OK (probably my best game this time around as for some reason no matter how long i stay away from the game Eddie just seems to come natural to me :S,although my unblockables aren't perfect)
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Well, if it's something formal, we should decide on stuff before hand, like which games, no. of games to play per person, how many people actually competing (e.g. I don't see Imperial playing MvC2), etc. It might help things run more smoothly if it's going to be 3 or 4 of us vs. Q in 3+ games.
These are just some recommendations. Feel free to add/subtract/ignore/flame:
- I recommend we go with CvS2, MvC2, SFA3. Q's the challenger, so we'll let him go with his strongest game last.
- Best 3 out of 5 games per person (1 game = 1 match in CvS2/MvC2, 2/3 rounds in SFA3, etc.). We can decide if it's true gauntlet fashion - If Q doesn't beat the first person in the queue, he doesn't go any further - or if we'll all play him regardless. Might depend on how many people are there in total. If time is good, we could try for 4 out of 7. Or make it true tournament style and do 2/3 for the first and second matches, 3/5 for the third, and 4/7 for the last.
- Pecking order per game (assuming NEO, me, rb and Imperial are present):
CvS2: NEO, me, rb, Imperial
MvC2: rb/NEO, me (I doubt Imperial would want to play)
SFA3: NEO/rb, Imperial, me
Yeah, I assuming me > you guys at A3. Old fashioned arrogance. I could be completely wrong though, so don't worry about it. Nothing is set in stone. ;)
rb and Neo can flip a coin for who goes first MvC2. I think I should got last in this game at least. I'm telling you from now I'm only going to bother playing if he manages to get past the two of you.
If time is running out or if we start late, we can reduce it to 3 people per game. I volunteer to drop out of CvS2. Though as I said, if he doesn't get past NEO/rb in MvC2, I'm not facing him.
No hot asian supermodels for me, thanks. Don't wanna be tempted. ;)
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The more I look at this thread, is the less likely I see myself playing Q. Seriously speaking, if cvs2 is your weakest game then don't even bother. I doubt I'll be touching the A3 so you fellas knock yourselves out. I wonder if you're any good at 3s. I do think you said you played sf3.
And there's apparently no love for AE. It's the closest thing we got to hyper on console.
Just to refresh my hazy memory;
Saturday is at the mall and Sunday is a Java right?
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correct @ sunday at least...
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Cool. SF3's good too. I prefer 2I but whatever's there. I've had enough exposure in 3S to know who and what I want so I'll have some sort of battle plan.
As far as the order goes, whatever you have in mind. I've sen times when I beat a guy, some guy beats me, then my defeated foe beats that guy so I have little faith in establishing that sort of system. Still, I'm good either way. I'm just glad for the chance to pit my strength against yours. The change from arcade to console should pose little/no problem. I just have to shake off some console rust and I'll be fine.
Me vs Some of the country's best... That's where my mind is right now. All else is just details.
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Imperial:
Hey you know I play HSF (AE). They have it in St. James now! The Colsort Mall players of old are pretty good at it.
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They should be. Alongside Marvel vs. Capcom 1 and Third Strike (which eventually got stolen), that was one of the most played titles down there.
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Colsort had 3rd Strike? I remember SF3 and SF3: 2nd Impact but 3rd Strike? Sorry I missed it. I went there mainly for The Last Blade 1/2, SamSho IV, MvC and Blazing Star.
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INdeed, Colsort had 3S. But not for very long, for as NEO pointed out, some niggers stole it. If I remember correctly they ripped it right out of the cabinet. It was only there for... what, a month? Two months? Bah. >:|
NEO:
A correction: Colsort played Super Turbo, not HSF. HSF wasn't out when Colsort was still around. Though I suppose it's close enough: For the most part, the only good characters are from ST and a few from CE and HF.
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Where is the MVC1 Sweat Thread!!!!???
WTF man.....Getting back to the real topic!!! lol when are we doing this again with full participation...?
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lol it was only you and neo in the thread anyway, might as well change this thread title to the All Purpose Arcade thread.
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Thread derailed. MISSHUN COMPRETE.
Tentatively, aren't NEO and I, at the very least, still supposed to be heading for Trincity this Sunday for 1:00 PM to hang for a few hours before going down to Java to play Q? I'm not sure any more. :|
EDIT:
I think something's going down on Saturday as well, but I won't be able to participate in that.
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Posted this in the other thread, since I'm not sure which is for what any more. Anyway, my wife just reminded me that we're going to Chinese Association this Sunday for Chinese New Year. I won't be going to Trinicity definitely, and it's doubtful I'll be able to make it to Java cause I have things to do in the evening. :(
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I'd still like to know what's going on myself. I don't want to be in the arcade Saturday and it's "family" day. It's not a good experience for the kids as I have no problems wiping them off machines. I often beat kids off that little race car and that pony they ride as well.
And my word, Ultima...quite the dictator you got there.
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well sunday is seeming to be out for me, i got some TG related business to see about concerning dotamania. I'll update tommorow if anything changes but until then its no sunday for me.
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Imperial:
Nah. We got invited to go more than two weeks ago. We've been going evey year for five years now. I just completely forgot about it. She's actually quite lenient. :p
Also, my mom informed me that I have to go pick up my cousin at the airport later in the evening (he's coming in at 8:23 PM). What time does Java close? I might be able to swing by later in the evening, maybe around 6:00 - 6:30 PM if I can finish what I have to do by that time.
Minor note: I'm going to see if I can swing by St.James tomorrow early afternoon. Maybe stay between 2:00 PM and 4:00 PM.
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This is breaking my heart. I even did some recon on you guys, especially Imperial's gaming study habits. I was even going to bring my Digi Cam. I'll still be there. I look forward to the adventure no matter who comes. We all have lives outside of gaming so much respect all the same.
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well all is not lost as yet,if I am coming then I definitely will not be able to walk with a ps2. *looks @ imperial*
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Thread derailed. MISSHUN COMPRETE.
Tentatively, aren't NEO and I, at the very least, still supposed to be heading for Trincity this Sunday for 1:00 PM to hang for a few hours before going down to Java to play Q? I'm not sure any more. :|
Yeah. As far as I recall, I'm still down with that.
With that said....
Where is the MVC1 Sweat Thread!!!!???
WTF man.....Getting back to the real topic!!! lol when are we doing this again with full participation...?
This Sunday (tomorrow). Didn't you see the title of this thread?
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NEO:
Did you see my post above? Going to Chinese New Year lunch, definitely won't be able to come to Trincity. I might be able to swing by Java, but it won't be until much later in the evening than I would have preferred: We're talking 6:00 PM. I don't know what time Java closes or if anyone else will even be there at that point.
And on a more annoying personal note, seems today is , er Housay (dunno how to spell it; some sort of Muslim festival), which means St.James is inaccessible. It's a freakin' conspiracy! DAMMIT! >:|
Q:
Wait: "game study habits"?
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Yeah....I saw your post on the Street Fighter thread, after I posted up that.
As for 'game study habits', I'm assuming he watched Imperial's combo videos (which are hosted here, just click on 'Media Gallery' below the GATT logo and look for them). I believe I have his Cracker Jack/Dhalsim 100% damage video saved on my PC. Some good stuff.
JD, would you still be able to make it?
I'll try to be there early this time, around 12-ish so.
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I'm out for tomorrow definitely. Wifey's coming with me to pick my cousin up i nthe evening, and no way is she going to sit down and be bored for two hours while I play games.
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Ah, well. Maybe next time, then.
Just to let you know, I'm anxious to engage you in MvC1 again, as is also the case with Q.
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lol @ imperials study habits, his little combo vids are on youtube as well. I have some stuff up but nothing interesting.
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Actually, I know someone whose a member of GATT and I just dropped some names. He told me that when Imperial has a fight coming up, he spends the week trying to make the particular game "his b*tch".
I'll go look for those combo vids now.
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he doesn't try he just does.....
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well apparently this is still on...imperial just gave me a buzz. I'll be up there by 1ish
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Wait...what is still on? The sweat in Trincity, or the sweat at JAVA?
EDIT: Sadly, it looks like I'll have to sit today out. I'm feeling like crap right now, and, seeing as how neither Ultima nor Q would be making it to Trincity today, there's no real motivation for me to go anywhere right now. Anyway, fellas....have fun. We'll organise something later.
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java...
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Most likely, I'll be blowing by the Trincity arcade sometime later this week just for practice (not on the weekend, though, due to me heading to Florida, most likely), probably on Wednesday, after lunch. Would anybody be blowing by?
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Not likely, sorry. Work in POS. Safe trip to Florida, though.
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this thread real old..n e ways im entering the mvc1 scene and started training so I would be looking for a good ole sweat soon.just a little heads-up.
ps
also x-men vs street fighter but i know u guys hate that one :icon_pirat:
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why you going backward......
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just following the crowd i guess. good challeges these days are soooo damm hard to find. tekken tag and 5,mvc2,ex2 plus, svc chaos etc are all dead. This game seems to be more played.Strangly I crave for competition.
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how come u not playing kof then, players always have the kof98 sweat going and good people too.
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Well, whiplash, if you're interested in getting into this game, there's no better place to be that Trincity Mall on a Saturday afternoon. Just last Saturday, me, JD and Chaos Legion (Balki, Rio and Kajun) had one serious brawl in this game (first to reach ten wins, which nobody won), and we drew in quite a crowd with our shenanigans.
If anything, I'd encourage you to get into this game.
A lot of people down here (including myself), prefer to duke it out in this game more than the others in the Marvel series, since it tends to be the most balanced out of all of them.
If you're interested (and if time permits), we could even set up a sweat for this Saturday at around 4-ish. The machine down there is one of the better ones to practice and fight on (since any other machines I know is either sticking or has the damage jacked up.)
how come u not playing kof then, players always have the kof98 sweat going and good people too.
TAKE THAT ROOTY-POOTY KOF TALK OUTTA HERE. We talks Marvel here. Marvel. Mmmyes.
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maybe this saturday.Ill have to practise like a little japanese teen every night then.
can u list the your rivals and the teams they play.im curious.
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Well, to be honest....I don't like bussing people files like that (ruins the element of surprise, after all), but since you are a worthy adversary and you're picking up an interest in this game, I'll list some of my worthier challengers here:
JD- (War Machine/Gold War Machine)
Balki - (Wolverine/Strider Hiryu)
Akil - (Gambit/Strider, Gambit/Jin)
Rio - (Wolverine/Strider, also has been known to play Captain America and Spiderman on occassion)
And, of course, you have me to contend with. Mind you, I am extremely tough in this game, even more so than in MvC2. You probably know my team already. By the way, if we do manage to make this a regular thing, perhaps we can arrange some footage sometime? There are a LOT of footage worthy moments that happen in these sweats, particularly in this game.
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I'll try to be there from 5.
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That's good. Any more takers?
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I'll be in the mall around then maybe, won't stay though. Iron Man ftw finally
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I'll be in the mall around then maybe, won't stay though. Iron Man ftw finally
I hear that... I'll fight until closing @ 9:10 and hit Iron Man at about 9:20.
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hmm... i smell fresh meat... do we have to tenderize? or can anything happen here?...
cause i am well known for my GWM team but i usually tend to play other chars.... i think im moving on to either my old Wolv/S.Hiru or Venom mix....
May even play Chun Li...
but if he wants the beast then GWM it is...
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Great. All we need is Ultima and we could really shake things up. I'll try to contact Chaos Legion to join in the melee.
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I'll try my best to represent with Ryu. The Hadou must be present. MUST be...
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That was one awesome sweat yesterday.
Damn, Q, you really should have brought that camera yesterday.....it was grand.
But OW, my ARM. Feels like it's going to fall off.
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I'll charge it tonight. lol My bad. My VERY bad.
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XSF = Whoever lands first hit wins. There's a reason no one plays this game seriously at high level.
MvC1 = DWM > *
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since xmvsf was added to ggpo i been watching those guys play. Pretty jaw dropping stuff even though i've seen it countless times. Its like cr.lk with wolvie = death.. ridiculous. I saw one Gief/Juggs team that was owning hard, it was really fun to watch.
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I hate that game with a passion. Ironic, since you'd see me defending the Marvel series to death in any fighting game discussion, but it's so ridiculously broken that I just can't take it so seriously anymore. It's probably a joke compared to the others, given that there are a ba-zllion ways just to open up somebody for the millions (and millions) of infinites in that game.
MvC1 = DWM > *
I don't fear him anymore. I've developed quite a few strategies against him that'd make even the most durable player's jaw drop. Granted, he's still a pain in the ass, but that whole 'no blocking' thing? I take full advantage of that nowadays, particularly with Mega Man.
I saw one Gief/Juggs team that was owning hard, it was really fun to watch.
I'd like to see that, myself. Zangief could actually hold his own in some of the games, but it takes a really smart player to really give people a headache. Akil (Kajun) has quite a funny story to tell you about him, actually....
Anyway, guys....had a look at my work schedule, and I can make it to Trincity by 4:30, 5-ish in this game. Whiplash, I'd have to say you missed one hell of a sweat yesterday (we went from 3 allll the way to 9 last night), but I'm certain that a lot of challengers will show up this Saturday....at least I would.
Anybody able to come this Saturday?
After all of the sweatage that we took in yesterday, I'd say it's high time we stopped squawking about 'who can own who', and give a live performance of that.
Now, who's stepping forward?
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i think what he means is that jd's dwm is nowhere near as potent as the average foreign dwm. It's not really often that one character breaks an entire game to the point where no one wants to play it. (Ultima better not say Toki....they've found new shit that dropped him down a little bit)
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I haven't heard anything about HNK, so I don't know the general rankings. I wasn't even aware people were still playing that. He's dropped down a bit you say? What worse could they have found? Is Roah still great? Cause, in what little interest I have in the game, that's all I care about. :p
re: XSF
To prove that balance is overrated, XSF is probably the most balanced of the VS. games, since every character has at least one infinite can can kill you from a single hit. >:|
re: MvC1
While the game has its share of fans here, the game has effectively been solved, and it's been solved since 1999. The best team is DWM, followed closely by Strider/GM and Strider/WM (each team has slightly different strengths and weaknesses, so they're about the same). GWM doesn't break the game per se, but when he's paired with WM or Strider, forget it. It becomes a massive uphill battle. If you're beating DWM with anyone other than Strider/[G][D]WM, you're not playing against good DWM. It's that simple.
Strider/WM and Strider/GWM are only slightly less retarded than DWM. Strider is normally in a class by himself, but if you put him with a GWM who does his thing and being very hard to kill while building meter, or a WM who can fly infinite you at the drop of a hat, forget it.
Wolverine can theoretically be the best character, but that's only on a keyboard with macros implemented to make his standing/dashing infinites humanly possible (see also: Magnetro). He's very dangerous, but he's nowhere near as stupid as a GWM team.
Red Venom could go competition with Strider for most powerful character one on one, but he has a MASSIVE weakness: GWM rapes him for free. Unless your name is Arturo, you can't hope to match Red Venom against DWM even though RV beats WM pretty badly (by far the easiest character for RV to infinite, so easy that even *I* can do it).
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Just to repeat myself:
I'd say it's high time we stopped squawking about 'who can own who', and give a live performance.
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Re: HNK
It's gotten popular again for some reason since they found even more broken stuff and is in SBO this year for whatever reason. The tier list now looks like this.
Rei
Raoh
Toki
Juda
Kenshiro
Shin
Heart
Souther
Mamiya
Jagi
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mad apologies about sat. This saturday im 100% certain I will be there. Cant wait to see the level of play and licks that will b shared. Ive decided to play with stryder/wm as I plan to master them.
on a side note ever since the lovely marvel super heros days Spiderman was my favourite char. but in mvc/mvc2 he's not very effective :shakehead:... at least for me. u fellas ever seen anyone give problems with him in this game??? who is the best teammates for spidey
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Either Strider or Wolverine. If you're talking about assists, go for Lou or Colossus.
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Spidey's pretty much rubbish in MvC. He has one and only one way to effectively attack, and that's to super jump all day and hope to land a jump in. Thanks to MvC's weird block stun rules (you can cancel your block stun with a throw), this leaves him very vulnerable to counterattack. Zangief eats him alive (MP throw -> Triple OPtion -> GGPO) unless you can 100% jump-in in such a way that he gets pushed out of throw range. He has no good attack sequences on the ground, and no high damage option beyond the ever retarded Colossus -> Maximum Spider. He's also lousy in Duos.
Who best to pair him with? Well, Strider goes well with everybody. Wolverine also works well, but not quite as well as Strider (besides Strider being overall better character, Wolverine is worse in Duos, which doesn't help Spidey at all). It doesn't really matter which of the better characters you pair him with (though I guess GWM would be pretty useless), since he's going to be the weak leg anyway. The only way you win with Spidey regularly is if you're flat out better than your opponent.
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It's true. Spidey really is most effective with a skill gap (or LUCK) in MvC1. They've diminished his air combo capacity from MvSF (IMHO) in that FP and FK no longer chain (BASTARDS). Although they've made the Crawler assault more solid compared to MvSF in that Sweep ----> Crawler Assault is no longer blockable on the last hit, how often are you going to connect with that before they wise up and roll out after the sweep? *Unless they're dumber than dirt... Again, the skill gap.*
The luckiest I've been with Spidey was to catch NEO off guard with a Max Spider during a Beat Plane but I NEVER beat him with Spider-Man again. He's not the god-tier mutant we know and loathe from MSH. Sad but true.
I like my Ryu just fine. :awesome:
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DAMM...so spidy is garbage then.oh well.Is there any confirmation on who will be there this sat?
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I'll be there from 4:30, 5-ish. You should get some ample practice before I come, so feel free to use the time to try a few things.
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DAMM...so spidy is garbage then.oh well.Is there any confirmation on who will be there this sat?
I wouldn't say he's garbage but he's definitely not the Uber-Arachnid he was in MSH and there are bigger dogs in the yard now.
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I Fine Ultima bashing meh team dread....lol no scene i know that my DWM isn't the best in terms of world ranking, but its a hell of alot better than most people. Coupled with the fact that i am physically not at best at the moment leaves very little chance for me to properly defend myself or the team.... but neway if all goes well ill be there on sat. see if i can give NEO some more hell lol.
i have a couple tricks up my sleeve but no chance to practice them and in an arena like saturday is no time to really try them... after all coins are now 2 for 5TT. (Highway robbery) somebody needs to "get" a coin making machine... lol for gatters...imho....
also spidey is no god tier player ubt he does have priority not much damage but a lil faster than some. hes like an in between player to choose to confuse other player if u only play with certain characters like me lol.
and although i may be abit bold i would like to challenge ultima again the last time we played i learned alot from him..
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Good show, whiplash. Despite not having the donkey years experience several of us have, you could definitely show us a thing or two. It's a shame more people didn't show up, though.
Well, I am exhausted after that sweat.
I'm probably going to sit this game out for a couple of weeks until I get my bearings straight.
I'll schedule another sweat some time in June (probably the 21st or the 22nd). I'm hoping you guys will show up, because, quite frankly, I'm seeing far too much blabbing in this thread, and not enough ack-shun.
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cool.Next time we swaettin in PLAYERS ARCADE in chaguanas.$1 for ah damm coin and not $2.50.Trincity uses real frickin gold to make dem coins!.
Plus d game working good. Sat. sweat was donkey years vs ah few days.Next time I'll be ready.
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I hear ya. Too bad they're not really, or I would've pawned those bastards for a king's ransom.
In any case, I could've sponsored you, if you wanted. You know how we roll.
If we do sweat in Player's Arcade, you might have to give me some directions. And probably a lot of time to come down, since my shift on Saturdays ends at 4.
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yes do provide directions.... i work nearby...
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By the way, JD....you'd be very interested to know a little something about whiplash.
Let's just say that when you see who he selects to fight you, you (in particular) will see red. Or should I say......gold?
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The coins was not an issue NEO.To tell you the truth.......I spent bout $200 on coins alon SAt.
Ima pratcise this game hard for y'all. I realize that there are a few broken bitches in this game and I going to take advantage of them. Btw Where were u neo?
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hmmm a fellow GWM... its been awhile....
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cant wait 2 see ur stuff...
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w000000t!!!
I think I know where that is in Chaguanas. If it's upstairs, I know it and I'll be there on Saturday. It's been a while since they've seen me anyway. :awesome:
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what time? I could be there anytime after 12.00.
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i still see no directions......... hellooooo i work in chag....... so lemme know if i can get there easy on foot or car or whatnots... so far i gathered that it upstairs somewhere in chag..... u fill in the rest :P
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sorry there :happy0203: If u COMMING from busy corner its d building before sports and games.Theres an empty piece of land in the middle.opposite the heath center.There's a big sign "PLAYERS ARCADE".
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Whoa wait: So this is what and where and when now? MvC1? June 21st? Player's Arcade Chaguanaus?
Man, I hate Saturdays since that's a training day for me and the wife. But I think I can make this an exception. I haven't played MvC1 since... October? But I have some things to try against JD and NEO, though I doubt I'll be able to practice anything before then.
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uber cool dude....i have not tried nething new either...
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But I have some things to try against JD and NEO, though I doubt I'll be able to practice anything before then.
As do I, old friend. Just a word of caution....you'd better know how to tech throw on reaction. Whiplash can tell you why.
sorry there :happy0203: If u COMMING from busy corner its d building before sports and games.Theres an empty piece of land in the middle.opposite the heath center.There's a big sign "PLAYERS ARCADE".
That does sound familiar. I take it it's just a stone's throw away from Playmax?
w000000t!!!
I think I know where that is in Chaguanas. If it's upstairs, I know it and I'll be there on Saturday. It's been a while since they've seen me anyway. :awesome:
Well, like I said, I won't be able to do much of anything until the 21st next month, and even when I do arrive, it'd be around 5-ish since I now work on Saturdays. I'm sure whiplash and the others can tide you over until then.
Whiplash, by chance, is that particular arcade open on Sundays? I'd be available all day then.
Man, I hate Saturdays since that's a training day for me and the wife.
...tee hee. :happy0203:
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It can be a stones throw away if u can throw like a cricketer.5 mins away.Closes on sundays.
Maybe we can do a console sweat on a Sunday sumtime. Like all the fellas come together and wage war,maybe discuss some tournament possibilites.
Q
What time u passing by sat.?
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idunno whiplash... It depends on what the wife wants to do. She lives in South so if we're at that cardinal point, she should be on her way home and me in Chag by 4:30, 5. I live in Arima so if she's by ME... idunno.
Sumting cud happ'n man. Doh study dat. :awesome:
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small thing. when allyuh ready
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What time is this going to be? Late afternoon really isn't good for me, but I'll see.
(So who's following up on the NEW Vs. game just announced? Holy left field Batman!)
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You mean that MK vs DC BS? Hell no.
Wrong forum but WTMC @ Batman vs Sub Zero.
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Is that any wackier than Ryu versus a Sentinel?
To me, the game's looking pretty all right so far. I tend not to judge games until I've had a chance to test them out for myself, unlike a lot of people who looked at one picture and determined the game's going to suck before they even played it. Nonsense.
Anyway, this is Marvel, so we leave that tale for some other time.
What time is this going to be? Late afternoon really isn't good for me, but I'll see.
Well, the others would be able to make it earlier than I would, I imagine.
I'm not going to be there until about 4:30, 5 tops.
To make up for it, we could always brawl the following Sunday at Trincity.
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Is that any wackier than Ryu versus a Sentinel?
I will leave that for the right forum. Not here.
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Im really confused :ko:
Is ultima comming tomorow or on the 21st June?
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No idea. I know for a fact that I wouldn't be coming tomorrow. Got quite a few things to take care of right now (the Duelist Kingdom Championships on the 15th being one of them.)
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As noted in other thread, been extremely busy of late, and also got a Wii and Brawl. Free time is at a premium. I'll try and make this thing on Saturday 21st June at least. Though don't expect anything great; the last time I played MvC1 was last year... October I think? And it's unlikely I'll be getting any practice before that date. In fact, I'm trying to remember what it is I had "planned" for NEo and JD in the first place! Missed Combos ahoy!
As for the New game, no I wasn't talking about DC vs. MK (more garbage). I was talking about the sequel to MvC2 (http://"http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1215298_1124.html?ref=rss").
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Cant we organise sumtin before d 21st. I wanna pwn
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Patience, young padawan. You'll get your come uppins soon.
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I love to see how the young ones are in such a hurry to DIE.
Remember, grasshopper... Old warriors are just young warriors who knew how to wait. I look forward to facing you, whiplash.
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hear allyuh old man talk.LICKS!!!!
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Who dares approach me...?
Where I walk, I walk alone...
Where I fight, I fight alone...
GWM is mine...This too you shall learn...
and remember...A warrior enters the arena with all his powers at the ready... (<-- has to be the biggest line in pre combat speeches...imo)
I think ill allow NEO n others to rape sorry rate you before i enter
(not like i have much of a choice this weekend i have a wedding to attend with wifey...):(
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This thing would have to take place in trincity mall fellas. D machine in players not working too good on player 1 side.oh and GWM is GAY.
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I'll see how fast I can get back to that side from South. All I have to say is prepare to face the hadou.
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This thing would have to take place in trincity mall fellas. D machine in players not working too good on player 1 side.oh and GWM is GAY.
hmm you have no idea of what u r causing...
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So, uh.... Trincity this Saturday then? What time?
GAH. $2.50 a coin.. CHRIST.
Also, LOL at Jd saying GWM is "his" when nearly every bitch and their brother (at least away) plays him, and many have been doing so since at least late 1998.
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Whoo.....would you believe I've nearly forgotten about this?
In any case, I won't be around until 4:30, 5-ish. Work and all of that.
Hope to see you guys there.
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it's on like popcorn...
i'll be there from about 5.I cant believe someone takes pride in GWM so much.Its a cheese team dammit.
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Hmmm. I'll head up around 4:30 PM then. Probably get some food if I don't see anybody there.
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1st off its my b!t(h.... n im not away im here...
2nd i dont play cheesy
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it's on like popcorn...
i'll be there from about 5.I cant believe someone takes pride in GWM so much.Its a cheese team dammit.
That it is. And I'm glad to see people have taken my 'talks' on the other thread to heart and are serious about coming this time. Like I said, it's time for action, not words. And if it means riling a few people up, then so be it. Win, lose or draw, it's game time tomorrow, fellas.
Expect me there around 4:30, 5-ish.
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Nice sweat fellas. MVc1 is the shiznit.Im sorry for comming late but I still make it none the less. Good to see Ultima and Q. Only one small thing was that I wasnt getting red venom dammit. I was doing the code correct.JD... next time I want to face u. Prove to me u can win without dwm.Cant wait for the next sweat btw
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well most def i there next week sat cause WinTV is officially launching GAMRZ show about gamers in tnt. big launch in trincity mall. as soon as i finish converting all the vidz to .flv n load them to utube links will be posted. sorry for the hijack will create a new thread shortly.
yes whip ill face u then. lets see if this rusty blade can give some tet. lol
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what games running at that launch jd ?
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Mostly PS2/3 games. They are getting a pre-approved list from one of the sponsors...Well at least what they want to see anyway... As soon as i get info ill link it in the thread...
http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,14800.new.html#new
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Well, boy oh boy. JD, that was a good sweat today. A shame you couldn't have made it whiplash, because not only would you have gotten a good challenge today, but you would've seriously laughed your ass off at a couple of clowns who happened to be there today.
What'd they say now?
Oh yeah.
"Town men are the best, and they will beat allyuh!"
Mind you, they're talking about Yetsol Mall. The machines there are either in an extreme state of disrepair, or have the damage set all the way up to maximum. One super is all it takes to kill you in MvC2, and that's how they basically win their games.
C'mon, guys.
I'm sure in your little pocket universe, you guys are king of all you survey, and nobody could beat you.
Unfortunately, your only weakness is....this is Earth.
Everybody knows the tournament standard does not have the damage so high up so that all it takes is a mere sneeze to kill you. Like I said, (and I've been trying to say a long time ago), Yetsol Mall =/= Skill Men. If you head on over to San Juan and Chaguanas, you can and will get killed. You only get away in Yetsol Mall because the 'one hit kill' factor does not allow for trial and error in matches, and, when it comes right down to it, it becomes a game of luck, i.e. "who can land the first blow first".
So, Yetsol Mall fellas. Here's the scene. If any of you are passing through here, right now, and you think you're the hottest thing since sliced bread and nobody could beat you based on that crappy machine? Got news for you. Listen up real good.
YETSOL MALL SUCKS.
Want a real challenge? Play in an arcade where they actually maintain the machines and they have the damage set to Medium. I guarantee you that you'll be overwhelmed by the fact that Guile no longer kills a single person with a Sonic Hurricane, or Hayato doesn't K.O. somebody with his sword slash combo (yes, that's the characters these guys play.)
And, again, in case you guys didn't hear it the first time:
YETSOL MALL SUCKS.
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I don't think they can hear you...we need yetsol mall arcade sucks t shirts and a couple of armed security guards..
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I was thinking the same thing.
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I Missed ah bess sweat with shuppid men talking up??. wheeeey. The rain and flood and lack of taxis just F.....K up everything. Post the sweat report. Hopefully we cud arrange sumting this saturday.
Im giving Ultima his week notice :awesome:
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I tried my best to tell those town n00bs that they cannot even beat me on their own turf so they should know their place in the grander scheme of things. I ease them up and they still see me as Kwai Chang Caine or something. Beyond that, I teach them a couple parlour tricks and they suddenly think that they can take down the likes of NEO or Ultima and others. I try to warn them but, well... :shakehead:
I guess some ppl only learn their place in the food chain while in the stomach of a bigger link, lol.
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*snickers* they were boasting that Q was on their side n he could kill ME with out even breaking a sweat.... (remembers NEO laughing) i mean Q is a challenger but to say he can beat me that easily.... i dont think so... and thats IF he wins.... i think he has the advantage now since i havent played in a while but if i can still beat NEO's kids i can take on ne one.... :P
As for those fools, the old people say the emptiest barrels make the most....
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LOL @ JD and "empty vessels" indeed. As for breaking a sweat, I will. No doubt. *ghetto* But a cyah tolah-rate how yuh put da "if" in cyaps. Yuh shot call, JD. Ah go pile dat WM scrap heap HIGH. :violent5:
*I LOVE hyping a fight. :banana: *
So WAIT... They said that I was supposed to join their merry band? I'm sorry I wasn't there. You can't buy that kind of comedy. I told them about GATT and that they weren't ready but you know what they say: Who doh hear duz buy coin. :happy0203:
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I think the best part was when we found out that those two fellas can't even play the game.
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Jeezan... Now I really am sorry I wasn't there. I actually saw one of them and he told me how he threatened to bring me for JD. lmao @ ppl still hiring assassins in arcades.
"Hoss, look a coin... Kill he fuh meh nah."
HAAAAAAAA!!! :banana:
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Hype fuh so. So I passing this saturday for sure and JD make sure and be there. Till I see a better Wm Im the best WM. Last time u guys got a small sip of Mr Rhodes and he was too grimy.....
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lol @ Q like i said bro IF....
Oh i c u want to practise more of your FACE to my IRON BOOTS technique...lol
as 4 wl.... i may not be the best, ...., but im confident that ill whoop your @$$ likity split... ok so maybe not likity dem fellas aint rate yuh yet ;p lol
doh worry i dey... after all i am a judge @ GAMRZ... just look for the dude with long hair wit a WinTV shirt on... :P
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fuh sure..I'll let u be the measuring stick just for one day...
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Well. It's been a while since we've had a good old fashioned brawl in this game, hasn't it?
So, without further ado, I'm a-callin' you guys out.
On the 10th, we ring in the new year with a BANG.
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Hey i gone for a lil while n no more sweatage!?!?!?! WOW
Come fellas i back out from solitary, who call it?
Im a Little excited since i bust up Sabrewolf n his brother like 1 week ago....
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lovely..........
where neo?
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Right here. When and where?
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will have to be the following Saturday.
Trincity....
this sat is sf4 brutallity