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Tech Talk => Hardware, Tweaking & Networking => Topic started by: TriniXaeno on March 10, 2008, 04:19:23 PM
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Current Specs of TriniWyatt's Gaming PC
CPU) Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6850 3GHz 1333MHz 4MB LGA775 CPU, Retail E6850BOX (US$262.43)
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRR2UUO-ErXFIG5u1or_NIX1Sw4sW952CEv4_Rfd4-gz1RoemZVhwwkP_4qbQ)
MOBO) GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L Core 2 Quad/ Intel P35/ DDR2-1066/ A&GbE/ ATX Motherboard MB-P35DS3L (US$83.62)
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQvdsVz5pAJSSQwjE1ti82Bbn5O46DMJEOy9U3TBSUWGoqsnaOk0g)
PSU) Omega 800W WSHB Powersupply ($Negligible...ripped out of an old PC laying around the house )
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTf1laSKbrjgu8sWqESUGOD3T1ad83pDFps3en6N_nb413xxH87hB806L97)
RAM) STT DDR2-800 4GB (2x2GB) Memory Kit T800UX4GC5 (US$88.00)
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHsAeWbsndVjiO0y7au430fSE1RAlkRogGvZCRC4Ys0l9yE-cE)
GPU) Gigabyte HD 6970 2GB GDDR5
(http://p.gzhls.at/633366.jpg)
Vantage Score: 11,270 TriniWyatt http://3dmark.com/3dmv/3726995 (http://3dmark.com/3dmv/3726995)
3dMark 2011: 3,891 Triniwyatt http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2340039 (http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2340039)
Old Scores:
Vantage Score: 8,229 TriniWyatt http://3dmark.com/3dmv/3678702 (http://3dmark.com/3dmv/3678702)
3dMark 2011 2,332 Triniwyatt http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2250469 (http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2250469)
Retired Parts:
GPU) EVGA Nvidia 550TI 1GB DDR3 (On loan)
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ3ILUB4vS5fgFjdXf_vzxDPEzvZtXpHS-1nvucko-8ngBGmBkl)
Thermaltake Purepower W0129RU ATX 2.2 600W Active PFC Power Supply (Black) PS-W0129RU (US$77.25)
(Original Post Below)
OK Peeps,
It time I stopped feeding at the bottom of the 3DMark Benchmark pool.
Got me a new graphics card, 8800 GTS compliments arcman.
Now I want to put together a rig to run this monster on.
Original plan was to just stick the card in my old PC that ran the 7900GT (a Socket 754, Athlon 64 3200 rig) but that won't do the 8800 justice.
Budget of TT$4000.00
Without further adieu....recommendations?
Board, Processor, Ram, PSU.
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wait for us to release our low mid midhigh and high end
see where yur budget fits in there, since yu already have the card and iam guessing ram and hds to run with then yull only have to study our case and mobo reccommendations.
unless yu changing the psu(which i recommend)
ive been sticking on getting the guys to submit the work
gimme till end of week
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You'll do well to take a read through my recommendations. Of course, its just meant to be a guide so you may not want/need/afford to get all the recommended parts. (http://gatt.carigamers.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=13587.0;attach=3708)
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I can certainly offer you my 2GB DDR2-1066 lighted RAM from Crucial $800 or a 'better' price. PM me.
Crucial Ballistix Tracer. 4 of the top 6 rigs on the 3DMark06 ranking thread use this RAM. I've overclocked my RAM to DDR2-1120. It's worth it.
EDIT: let me re-word this:
I have my ram OC'ed to DDR2-1120. And I have brand new RAM as well. Would hate to scare off NGW with used, OC'ed parts
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You can use these parts (http://gatt.carigamers.com/index.php/topic,11652.msg180942.html#msg180942) as well...Sax can order em for you.
This post (http://gatt.carigamers.com/index.php/topic,11652.msg181034.html#msg181034) can give you an indication of what they are capable of.
You already have the card. The other parts will certainly fall within your budget.
I will recommend this PSU (http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-GameXStream-OCZ700GXSSLI-ATX12V-Supply/dp/B000HJ9CEO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1205191988&sr=8-2) as well. TTDirectBuy recently brought me one from Newegg for $1370 TT landed (inclusive of all shipping/Customs).
So a rough estimate may run you as follows:
OCZ700GSXSLI (http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-GameXStream-OCZ700GXSSLI-ATX12V-Supply/dp/B000HJ9CEO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1205191988&sr=8-2) = 1370
Gigabyte P31-S3G (http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GA-P31-S3G-Intel%C3%97-PCI-E-Motherboard/dp/B000YNYK8G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1205192475&sr=8-1) = 700 (approx)
Intel E2180 (http://www.amazon.com/Intel-BX80557E2180-Dual-E2180-Processor/dp/B000VC9GRK/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1205192725&sr=8-1) = 800 (approx)
2 GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer (http://www.amazon.com/2GB-Kit-1GBX2-Ballistix-Trac/dp/B000K8G5KG/ref=pd_bbs_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1205192880&sr=8-3) = 700 (approx)
Final total = 3570
Of course you can save a bundle if you get a cheaper PSU.
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Great recommendations thus far.
My company imports products from the states, so I can get them ordered, no probs. That said, if someone has the part locally at a comparable price, I won't mind spreading the wealth.
One more thing, I'd want the processor to have a stock speed of 2.4ghz. (Saw some games automatically disabling features if your processor wasn't 2.4 or greater). Just to be on the safe side.
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^^ Well youre talking an E6600 or greater. That would significantly increase your costs. We talking at least $1500tt for it...that is if you want to go the Intel route.
On the other hand the 5000+ Black Edition has a stock speed of 2.6Ghz and it can be had for as little as $650.
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Gigabyte P31-S3G = 700 (approx)
Intel E6600 = 1500 (approx)
2 GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer = 700 (approx)
That leaves about $1100 for a power suppy.
Just saw in another post by arcman, Corsair 550VX Power Supply US$85
Also, what about this cheapo ram? Corsair XMS2 2GB PC2-6400 TWIN2X20486400 US$45
At that price, I could go for 4GB and be ridiculous, for the same price as the Ballistix.
As a side note, I don't plan to OC the system. That may influence some of your recommendations.
Keep it coming.
Will look to plunk down the $$ at the end of the week.
Some peeps just PM-ed me with another local option.
See below:
thoughts?
CORSAIR XMS2 TWIN2X2048-6400 2GB 2x1GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 Memory TWIN2X2048-6400 $475.00
GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L Intel P35 Chipset LGA775 Intel Motherboard GA-P35-DS3L $765.00
CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX 520W Modular Power Supply Unit CMPSU-520HX $1,000.00
INTEL Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 BX80570E8400 $1,570.00
Subtotal: $3,810.00
Shipping and Handling Fee: $150.00
Total: TT$3960.00
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That PSU will do nicely. That RAM will also do nicely. I should know because I also use it.
NJ's Computers in Arima has this PSU (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153042) for about 800 TT. Pretty good for the price.
I can get it for you if you want.
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i would definately recommend the p35 over that p31 thingy
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Why? I have clearly demonstrated that it OCs quite nicely, which he doesn't intend to do.
Other than that, its just as capable as its P35 brethren.
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Just so you know, we are awaiting stock of the e8400.
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bwtmc
Getting live up to the minute stock updates. Well done.
Think they will arrive by Friday? That's when I'm looking to make the final decision.
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lol.
Actually we have an eta of 23.03, and the pricing keeps changing.
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its precisely cause hes a non ocing noob that i reccommend the p35
future proofed a bit and more robust than the p31
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Define 'robust'. Both chipsets can accomodate 45 nm CPUs, so what do you mean?
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watches with eagle eye
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Tomorrow is judgement day, any last suggestions/considerations??
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CORSAIR XMS2 TWIN2X2048-6400 2GB 2x1GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 Memory TWIN2X2048-6400 $475.00
GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L Intel P35 Chipset LGA775 Intel Motherboard GA-P35-DS3L $765.00
CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX 520W Modular Power Supply Unit CMPSU-520HX $1,000.00
INTEL Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 BX80570E8400 $1,570.00
My only problem there is with the PSU. I'd trust OCZ/Thermaltake/Antec before I'd trust Corsair for a PSU.
You could get a 600W Thermaltake PSU for less (well, if the place even has any more).
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why wouldn't you trust the corsair psu?
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Because they are not a well known brand in the world of PSU's.
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okay that is a fair answer. but not really a good reason to just not simply trust a brand.
for instance, would you trust seasonic. if you do you would realise seasonic who oem for many of the manufacturing companies out including antec as well as their retail brands are actually the oem for that corsair psu.
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Well since we on the topic of Seasonic, I did have a Seasonic S12 that blew up and nearly took my SLI board with it almost melting down the cpu curcuit power connector and part of the PCB itsellf.
While I had a bad experience that time, I wouldnt be turned off off of it forever, but not brave enough to buy another just yet. A brand that isnt well known can have the best product in all the worlds but its lack of popularity would cause people to look the other way. And this principle applies to everything all round really.
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well i should mention its seasonic built but engineered to corsair specifications.
"A brand that isnt well known can have the best product in all the worlds but its lack of popularity would cause people to look the other way. And this principle applies to everything all round really."
Actually the Corsair PSU's are pretty much the most recommended PSU's out there. I would seriously look at HardOCP PSU torture test and instead of choosing a brand that you may know, you choose a brand that you have research to be a good product like the way you research other products.
And more importantly don't take my word for it, but ask fellow enthusiats on that forum which PSU they would choose when put up against some others in comparision.
Essentially what I'm trying to get at is don't make rash statements without making a serious effort to research the product.
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTMwMSwsLGhlbnRodXNpYXN0 (http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTMwMSwsLGhlbnRodXNpYXN0)
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Actually the Corsair PSU's are pretty much the most recommended PSU's out there. I would seriously look at HardOCP PSU torture test and instead of choosing a brand that you may know, you choose a brand that you have research to be a good product like the way you research other products.
but that is the ketch eh, go with a product you never used in your life or one that has served you well for however umteen yrs
I've used alot of MSI products and to me, they are all trash, but that is based on my exp.
The converse goes for Kingston, I've used them since like ever, never used corsair, they are a bess brand in mem but I'd still take the Kingston over it, again based on personal exp.
So far I'm having good exp with the corsair PS, but that is my exp
I've never used gigabyte boards and I'll be getting one soon enough, did the research and alot of good reviews, however, it remains to be seen if I personally will have a good exp with it.
It all boils down to what you as an individual have good exp with.
my $0.02, if what you using (brand wise) has worked for you in the past, go with what you have good exp with, at least you will not have any expectations of a product that might let you down.
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No one is saying Corsair isn't a good brand man. The memory in my system is Corsair and I swear by it, however, im not going to swear by their PSU'a because they're not well known and doesnt have an established track record like the other brands do. The fact is that its not as well known in the PSU world as brands like OCZ, Thermaltake, PP&C etc. And to support this point, I quote the very first few lines from the article that YOU just now post there...
Corsair has been known among enthusiast circles as a premier supplier of high performance memory for quite some time now. What some enthusiasts may not yet be familiar with is the fact that Corsair, like many other companies, has broadened their product offerings to include branding their own power supplies.
I suggest you take a lil time out, cool down, step back and read CAREFULLY what I said. Nowhere did I say any one product was bad pa. kk thankz.
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My complaint really and truly has been the fact that a comment was made about the trust of one brand over another. It doesn't have to be the Corsair PSU, it could be any brand any part but the basis of my point is to be objective.
As WASD says you base your "trust" with brands you have experienced before, if you have no prior experience with a brand you would generally rely on feedback that other people have had through reviews and forums.
From reviews and forums you would find that it is a well known brand in the market. The article was written last year, and Corsair has been selling them from since 2006. In which time they have more than likely outsold their competition. So its strange to think that your saying they are not well known.
The point has never been about the quality of the unit but rather on the fact that it is unfair to make a statement that you don't trust a product because you don't know it or have had experience with it.
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I don't think its unfair at all!! Who would you trust more...your mother or some chick you just met? In general I (along with 99% of the population) would definitely trust a brand that has been firmly established over one that has just recently surfaced. Its basic human instinct, and to deny that is foolish at best.
As for Corsair PSU's outselling competing brands, im going to take that with more than a pinch of salt, unless I can see some hard sales figures.
ANYWAY, that's enough deviation from the topic at hand. NGW, what are your final choices? I can personally vouch for your memory and mainboard choices as I have both and they run extremely well together and well...you cant go wrong with a core cpu so basically you good to go bar consideration of a more well known PSU brand.
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the word 'trust' was used there subjectively. Its incorrect to infer that I meant 'not good' or 'bad'.
I myself would not buy a Corsair PSU when there are so many others to choose from.
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Thanks for the postulations gentlemen.
Placed the order, details below:
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6850 3GHz 1333MHz 4MB LGA775 CPU, Retail E6850BOX $262.43
GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L Core 2 Quad/ Intel P35/ DDR2-1066/ A&GbE/ ATX Motherboard MB-P35DS3L $83.62
Thermaltake Purepower W0129RU ATX 2.2 600W Active PFC Power Supply (Black) PS-W0129RU $77.25
STT DDR2-800 4GB (2x2GB) Memory Kit T800UX4GC5 $88.00
Western Digital WD5000AAKS 500GB SATA2 7200rpm 16MB Hard Drive HD-W50AAKS $99.91
US$611.21
About TT$3850.00
I fell back to the E6850 because the E8400 Wolfdale is proving IMPOSSIBLE to find in stock at a reasonable price anywhere. That sort of scarcity suggest it is a "bess" chip but also means retailers are gouging for it. hike iwmc. It should be retailing for a lot less.
The E6850 on the other hand, performs similarly (see attached) though without the overclocking headroom and is available most everywhere.
Also, with the bump up to 4gb, I'm hitting the infamous Windows XP 32bit 3GB of RAM ceiling.
Though I don't think that should be much of a problem. 3.xgb of accessible ram should still do better than 2gb. Just being greedy here and looking for braggin rights over the 2gb masses, lol.
In the mid of last minute research on memory performance it showed that ddr2 800 would be sufficient for a non oc-ed conroe. The higher speed ram only offered gains if the processor was over clocked.
Squeezed a 500GB Hard Drive in the budget. Fedup of dipping below 100MB free on Drive C: and having windows throw a tantrum as a result. Damn you BLINK!
Will report with some benchies when the new flag ship rig is put together.
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Got the goods.
Purchase Cost: TT$3850.00
Shipping cost TT$245.00 (Landed in Trinidad)
Total: TT$4045.00
Just TT$45.00 over budget, not bad, considering the squeezed in 500gb HD that wasn't in the original scheme of things.
Weight of the package was 14 lbs and the only item they charged duty on was the power supply. Not bad at all.
First impressions. The machine feels much faster than my previous gaming rig (AMD Athlon 64 3200+, Nvidia 7900GT, 1gb ram).
Damn that powersupply looks like a rasta. I've never seen that many power leads. Using about a quarter of what's provided. Gonna have some fun tucking away the unused bits. They need to make modular power supplies the standard.
Obligatory benchmark as promised:
Everything at stock
3Dmark 2006 Results
Score 9336 3DMarks
Date Apr 01, 2008 22:43 CDT
OS Microsoft Windows XP
CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E6850
CPU Speed 3000 MHz
GPU Speed NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 320MB (Arc's card @ stock)
Memory 4GB
Great success.
Thanks again for the assist.
Suhuweat!!!
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Man you have to do some OCing, just to at least break the 10k mark!
Also, how many power connectors u got with that PSU? (Molex/SATA)
If you wanna use them, time to start pimping out your system - lights and fans IYMC :P.
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Well another upgrade immc.
From the boss 8800GTS 320mb to the bosser 8800GT 512mb
3Dmark 2006 Results
Score 10507 3DMarks
Date Apr 18, 2008 18:02
OS Microsoft Windows XP
CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E6850
CPU Speed 3000 MHz
GPU Speed NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB
Memory 4GB
As for the connectors on that rasta powersupply spk, check it out:
1 x Main connector (20+4 pin)
1 x 8-pin 12V
1 x 4-pin 12V
7 x peripheral
6 x SATA
2 x Floppy
2 x PCI-E
ridiculous!
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nice nice noob, what's the brand on the 8800gt?
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It's a PNY XLR8 Performance Edition
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hmm zeen zeen.. well u see the sig.. i should get those bout next week timing or early week after.. it shall be glorious
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Just got my hands on a Q6600 and put it together with the 8800GTS 320MB
Here are the results
3Dmark 2006 Results
Score 10577 3DMarks
Date Apr 27, 2008 21:02
OS Microsoft Windows XP
CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
CPU Speed 2400 MHz
GPU Speed NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 320MB
Memory 4GB
A measly 70 marks faster than my current gaming rig. 3D Mark loves the quad cpu because the only real area of improvement, is in the cpu score.
On the plus side, this leaves me with a clear upgrade path for wtfpwning the mcs on the top of the rankings. A quad core 3ghz cpu ftw.
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Just got my hands on a Q6600 and put it together with the 8800GTS 320MB
talk bout mana from heaven allyuh pulling out them quads and thing like is ole IDE hdds...
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Yep...almost dead on par with my results (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,11652.msg172038.html#msg172038).
What mobo/chipset are you using here?
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lol @ mana
same board arc, GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L
You're right about dead on par. Just double checked your results against mine. less than 1% difference.
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lol @ mana
same board arc, GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L
You're right about dead on par. Just double checked your results against mine. less than 1% difference.
hmmmm ...but that lookin like the board to base a low-cost Intel rig with. that and the E2180.
*thinks about giving new life to my Intel based rig*
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It kinda is, I was SOOO eyeing that mobo before anyone even mentioned its name. At sub 90USD with decent specs and at least the ability to run a Q6600 or so, it's a pretty decent deal.
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See how allyuh dont listen. Is 6 months now I talking about this board, only when noob talk, allyuh listen.
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*W1nTry looks around thread... did someone say something???* XD
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See how allyuh dont listen. Is 6 months now I talking about this board, only when noob talk, allyuh listen.
buh WTMC Awesome :P (am i admiting n00bish tendencies?) lol
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lol @ wintry hearing crickets chirping.
Doh study it boy awesome. I'll be your mouthpiece and together we shall rule the world!!
Next item on the list to be evangelized, that heavenly Acer 22" monitor, chuck full of widescreen goodness.
Speaking of which, I'll be trying a few other games well on it today. Lesser titles than CoD 4 to be sure. Hopefully they'll all play nice with the copious real estate offered by the Acer 2216wd flat panel.
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Noob, im liking your spokesperson abilities. They have become quite sharp. Excellent.
I'm not liking how you feel u get hot in COD. I'll be teleporting you back to reality later.
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lol, I'm on level 54 now. Savoring the promotion to commander.
This weekend we could have a go at it. Lihixxxxxxxxxxx iymc.
P90 love and affection for everyone.
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Another upgrade in alyuh mc
Well another upgrade immc.
From the boss 8800GT 512mb to the bosser 4870 1GB
3Dmark 2006 Results
Score 13001 3DMarks
Date July 31, 2009 10:58
OS Microsoft Windows 7
CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E6850
CPU Speed 3000 MHz
GPU Speed ATI Radeon 4870 1GB
Memory 4GB
I'll take my spot in the top 20 now plix, thanks
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oh that is so gay steups
fine, ill push my voltage up to its absolute max and get big enuff oc to past that 13k
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this says it all
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hahahahaahaha
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HAHAHAHAHA...
* chokes on brunch *
Oh lordie...that pic was forged in the eternal fires of epic win. :laughing7:
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hahahahahahahahah noob yuh win.
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O-gad-O
kill me wid lol now...
that aside, Good Job NGW
My result hopefully will be in next month :(
[EDIT]
Wait, I thought you had a Quad core? Q6600
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lol
As for the quad, had a q6600 which I ran with the 8800 gts 320mb. The scores weren't very impressive, mainly because I ran the chip at stock 2.4ghz. (you can find them somewhere in this thread). Didn't keep that rig.
Will make the move to quad when the 3ghz chips come down to about US$200.00 or so. $250 max!
If I win lotto before that, is I7 immc.
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Noob, you suck. You could have gotten that Q6600 to 3ghz easy with no voltage increase whatsoever. Phaylure
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steups, stock immc! I'll leave to overclockin' to you youngon's.
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Wow, and to think I made a shade under that score with a good bit less under the hood more than a year ago...with a lower CPU, GPU and half the RAM.... interesting to say the least.
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lol, another sore loser.
Remember, your parts were overclocked pretty significantly, mine are still at stock settings....no OC at all. Considerable head room left, but 13001 is enough for a top 20 spot. So I'll leave it at that till the quad cpu rolls around.
considering selling my 8800GT for a $500.00
but might put it in another gaming rig. let me muse on that some more.
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Well fellas, it's been about 9 months since the last upgrade. A modest move from the Nvidia 8800GT to the capable ATI 4870.
Looking to up the ante on performance even more.
I present for your scrutiny:
Corsair TR3X6G1600C8D Dominator 6 GB 3 x 2 GB PC3-12800 1600MHz 240-Pin DDR3 Core i7 Memory Kit: $229.99
(http://www.carigamers.com/images/corsair.jpg)
Corsair CMPSU-750HX 750-Watt HX Professional Series 80 Plus Certified Power Supply compatible with Core i7 and Core i5: $139.99
(http://www.carigamers.com/images/corsairpsu.jpg)
Sapphire Radeon HD 5850 1 GB DDR5 Dual DVI-I/HDMI/DP PCI-Express Graphics Card 100282-2SR :$339.99
(http://www.carigamers.com/images/5850.jpg)
Intel Core i7 Processor i7-930 2.8GHz 8 MB LGA1366 CPU $285.00
(http://www.carigamers.com/images/corei7.jpg)
MSI X58 Pro-E Core i7/Intel X58/6DDR3-1333/ATI CrossFireX/GbE/R/A/1394/ATX Motherboard $189.99
(http://www.carigamers.com/images/msix58.jpg)
Unfortunately, this blows past my budget of TT$4000.00
So might have to take this in a phased approach.
Thoughts, recommendations?
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My name is Arcmanov, and I approve this upgrade. :icon_thumright:
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You going to be overclocking the chip at any point? If so you will have to factor in a good cooler, if not then you probably don't need the dominator. Should be able to get the Corsair XMS3 for a bit less.
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He's not going to be overclocking because he lame like that. I like the choices. IF you want, you can safely save about $70us on the memory and go with something like this (http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-OCZ3G1600LV6GK-PC3-12800-Triple-Channel/dp/B001IT4BWA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1269451894&sr=8-1), especially taking into account you're not interested in overclocking. Even if u were, they'd be an excellent choice.
Im still amazed how some things keep getting more expnsive. I paid $100us for that memory a year ago, now its 160. $275 I paid for that card now is more than $60us more.
Another thing, you can save another $50us on the visiontek version of the card. I havent heard anything going wrong with that brand. They're all basically the same thing anyway.
All prices I referenced are from Amazon.
See I show u how to save $120us. Where's my cut??
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*looks at wyatt with a crazy-eye*
let's see in total that is about USD 1,184.96 which is approx. TTD 7,600.00........
I know you want stuff that you won't touch for a while but those are quite an expensive bunch of items and yes I know Arc go approve that even though you on a 4000 TTD budget lol.
As Capt said if you not overclocking ease up on the overkill parts :lol:
It would be like hiring a call girl to just have her sit there and you play with her boobs :happy0203:
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lol, that ain't sounding bad redfish.
yeah awesome said it....no overclocking. Stockist immc.
Last thing I need is for battlefield to crash and have me wondering whether its that cpu/gpu overclock that is responsible.
As is, when a game crashes on my machine, I can safely say its the games fault and not my own.
Thanks for the recommendations. Definitely need to cut some corners to get down to $4000.00
Gonna have to split it in two purchases. One month end, phase one.
then another like six months down the road, phase two.
Would the mobo/cpu/ram be the best bet for Phase one?
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I think you need all parts to see any improvement. A 5850 on ur current setup is likely to push games the same amount as the i7 with your current video card.
Basically, any move other than an all out upgrade will mos likely result in no visible change. This is why I prefer the incremental upgrade as opposed to the all out one since at the tail end of the cycle you'll experience times...just like you are now...where u feel ur running on inferior hardware.
My personal agenda aside, you're probably more likely to see the bigger performance boost from a new card on ur current setup. If you dont want to spend a lot right now, id go as far as to say buy the card now and upgrade to one of the lower end quad cores like the q8200 and sell the one u have now to slightly offset ur cost.
But then again, u like high stock clocks...
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How come that mobo? What about the one Arcmanov posted the other day?
Here (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,17827.0.html)
Found it for $167 at amazon: http://amzn.com/B0030BERL4 (http://amzn.com/B0030BERL4)
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i highly recomend going with 2 5750 or 2* 5770, over d 5850.
look at d benchmarks, dey speak for themselfs, and price wise dey are comparible.
i replaced meh 4870x2 with 2 5770. dem thing going for rel good price.
5750 especially, and 2 will outperform d 5850 no problem:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5970-review-test/17 (http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5970-review-test/17)
watch cutass going on there, 82FPS vs 66, lol, and the other games and benches reflect similar benches. And 2*5750 cost less money dan ah 5850 on amazon right now :S http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=5750&x=0&y=0 (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=5750&x=0&y=0)
If u have a 30" montior with 2560*1600 res, obviously 2*5750s wont cut it.
but like i say, d benchmarks speaks for themselves. and is LESS money lol.
scrutinizing yuh other parts in ah bit.
Edit:
http://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-PC3-16000-2000MHz-Trident-9-9-9-24/dp/B002OB47IY/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1269455264&sr=8-13 (http://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-PC3-16000-2000MHz-Trident-9-9-9-24/dp/B002OB47IY/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1269455264&sr=8-13)
Best budget i7 memory imo, overclcoking potential is there if u want it, and 12gb of dat runs stable even at overclocked settings. and it is comparable in price to d corsair. That's d memory i was going with for my super build, but it was out of stock all over, considering replacing my ocz with 12gb in dat sucker.
(D chips used in that mem is d little brother to d stink corsiar elpida chips)
GOOD SHIT!, fuh GOOD PRICE.
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See, when u crossfire lower end cards, you pretty much shooting your next upgrade in the foot simply because you'll have to replace two cards instead of one.
Sure the Sapphire 5850 he posted is way over the normal price, which is why I suggested the $290 visiontek. This is exactly the cost of 2 5750's, which in 90% of the case is on par our outperforms 2x5750's. Right there in guru3d's benchies look at the performance difference in the other titles. Licks in MW2, same in Far Cry 2, Licks in Crysis and licks in Vantage. licks in the polica van.
But if he goes with the 5850 now, he can easily get another one 6-8 months from now when the price falls, pop it in and instantly increase his performance.
Wheras he uses 2 5750's, if he wants to get any better performance he hadda scrap BOTH them cards and start over which obviously is the more expensive route. Not to mention 2 cards are warmer and more hungryy than one.
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point taken, but consider this.
ppl does always overlook d resolution, and waht is required by current games.
if u ent plan on goign 30" resolution, it ent have no game coming out anytime soon,
dat will tax 2 5750s. yuh go be able to run dem 2 cards for ah good while.
a second 5850 6 months down d road eh go do much, if u stuck at d same low resolution.
dem 2 5770s i put in dat machine, runs every game out there, max, at 1920*1200.
and u still have d msi afterburner tool, to oc both those cards, which ups performance ah good bit.
Both routes make sense, depending on yuh upgrade path.
Dats why to be safe, i went with 2 5770s, insetead of d 5750s, and d 5770s blowing out ah 5870 in ah good few isntances, for less money.
anything more dan 2 5770s, an yuh have to upgrade yuh monitor fuh it to make sense.
and if yuh shellin fuh ah 30" monitor, yuh wont be cosnidering dem low end cards anyways.
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True, but remember that game tech not standing still too. Newer games need more power to run at the same resolution. A man res might be at 1080p and he go be playing his games now with no problems, what about when more taxing titles come out and game start to frame. It sure will be useful to be able to pop in a second card to take care of that problem.
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point taken,
but consider this.
new game titles and technology goes hand in hand with new graphics card developments. and i found it is not practicaly anymore, building a rig, catering to add a next card later on. when a game is released dat cuasing yuh thing to frame, is most likely a new gerneration of graphics cards on the market.
and d new gen cards, will be cheap and outperforming d last gen cards at d same price point. it go be more practical to get rid of d last gen cards, and get a new gen, rather dan adding a second last gen.
it wil be easier to sell 2 Gen1 cards when Gen2 is avaiable, dan trying to sell 2Gen1 cards when Gen3 is avaiable.
D rate graphics tech changing now, dey kinda remove all sense of buyin a second card later down.
When 5000 series it, i would much faster sell my 4870 and go 5k series, fuh dx11, cuda, and d words, as apposed to adding a second 4870.
Den if i added d second 4870 now, what i going to do with dem 2 cards, when 6k series out, dem thing wil be so old, nobody go want it, or yuh go have to sell it rel cheap.
I say buy yuh parts for what avaiable now, and dont average to upgrade in d gpu, becuase by d time d upgrade actualy makes sense for d games, it wont make sense, for d hardware available at d time.
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I guess now would be a good time to peddle my 4870X2 (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,19344.0.html)? :happy0203:
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Excellent point, but there's one critical element to consider.
I wouldnt buy a new card 3 months before new ones are due out.
Let's assume that generations are a year apart. If you buy a new card soon after a new generation comes out (like now or maybe a little earlier), you're pretty much guaranteed that no new tech (save for the inevitable product refresh) is going to come out within a year.
Boom. Buy a new card in the earlies, wait a 4,5,6 months midway in the cycle and hit them again with another in the same card, (which now costs less than what u paid for the first) and you always have a top tier performing system without the "god boy ah really hadda upgrade" phase. Rince and repeat anytime a new gen comes around.
Of course, this method only works with mid to high end parts. Consumer wares like the 57xx and lower, not so much.
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interesting
Let me examine this with a real world example.
About 9 months ago, my current rig got upgraded with the 4870 which cost me US$200.00 - $250.00 (can't recall exactly)
(http://www.carigamers.com/images/4870.jpg)
I see they are now going for US$149.00 (http://www.amazon.com/XFX-HD487AZWFC-Radeon-4870-PCI-E/dp/B002K9ITCU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1269459953&sr=1-1)
This graphic represents current performance and the gain I could expect from adding a second card (run on a 3ghz cpu)
(http://www.carigamers.com/images/scenario1.gif)
The million dollar question:
If I was on a crossfire mobo, would it be practical to buy a second 4870 today to increase performance?
The answer to this would steer the course of the upgrade.
If yes, then it would be safe to follow along captain awesome's thinking and get a single 5850 today with an eye to a second one in December.
If no, then Messiah would be on the money, saying two 5770's represents the better deal today (since buying a second card of old tech in the future is less practical)
What sayest thou?
Netizen, I absolutely love gigabyte but that board has only 4 mem slots. I need 6 because I wanna go to 12gb at phase 2. Also there are zero reviews on amazon. Doesn't give you that warm fuzzy feeling. lol. Nice to use a product that is tried and true by my fellow amazon tech consumers.
Awesome, the memory you linked too has qc issues. The first few reviews all complain about getting bad memory and having to RMA before they got good working ones. Scary!
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Well in any case, 2x5750 and one 5850 is 6 in one, half ah dozen...the same thing pricewise looking at the visiontek 5850 on amazon.
I'd say get the 5850 simply because its one card which possibly runs cooler on less power and you have the added advantage of running a second one later down the road if you so desire.
Thats a big negatory on a second 4870 at this stage of the game. Forget that nonsense. My theory works mostly for current generation parts. Have you SEEN this game in DX11? I dont know how it looks in dx9/10 but it is on CRYSIS WARHEAD level graphics.
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if yuh upgrading, i dont think u shud buy a second 4870 now, unless yuh getin it rel rel cheap.
its old tech, les driver support, no dx11, no gpu processing of other tasks, etc etc.
5000 series is only going to get better with later driver relases, 4000 series is pretty much forgotten about by amd at this point, dont expect any future support on that line of card. and d 5000 series go handle dx10 titles better also., not to mention like i say, d added advantages of all d other tech, cuda, eyefinity, whatever.
and if u buy a seocnd 4870 now, when next u upgrade, who is going to buy dem thing from u? at d price yuh go want to sell it.
if u sell yuh 4870 now, yuh go get ah decent enough askin price fuh it, and as it stand, u going to already have to call ah cheap price fuh men to buy dat over 5000.
Capt.awesome upgradfe path makes sense, if u buy yuh second card, within 3-6 months of d first purchase. but if u lookin tuh add yuh second card 8months+ later, it starts to make less sense.
So in d end, decide based on when u planing on upgrading next, if u dont plan on upgrading again no time soon, spending more money fuh ah 5850 now, makes no sense.
and i think awesome made my point for me, with not buying a second 4870 now, so if u plan on getin yuh second 5850 in d same timeframe, doh bother.
and as ah side note, d cooling on d 5770 rel good, i overclock dem cards, and d fan is QUIET, at 100% u could barely hear ah difference, 80% sounds jus d same as stock, with some nice numbers coming of d sensor. dont know bout d 5750 cooling doh, but i recon it will be similarly impressive.
i got the sapphire v2 of d cards.
i was faced with dis same decision, 2*5750 or ah 5850, in d end, i settle with 2 5770., cant go wrong wiht 2 of dat once oc'd, so consider that as an option, if u willing to shell out ah bit more.
i also buy with d plan ofb breaking d crossfire fuh 2 shit gaming rigs lata down.
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interesting.
Well that sounding like a thumbs up for the 5850
http://www.amazon.com/Visiontek-Radeon-HD5850-Express-900297/dp/B002QEBGGA (http://www.amazon.com/Visiontek-Radeon-HD5850-Express-900297/dp/B002QEBGGA)
This one looking good awesome and nice price. Thanks for the nod.
I expect second phase to be in december
Messiah, the G.Skill memory has no reviews on amazon and its a little more expensive than the much lauded corsair sticks. No doubting it's enthusiast gold but I like to stick with items that have pleased the (quick to condescend) masses that make up amazon reviewers. lol
Only barely making an exception with the processor because (as capitan pointed out) I run everything stock and prefer higher clock. Would have loved for a quad core cpu @ 3ghz to be a part of my next upgrade.
Is that too much to ask in 2010?
One more thing to add, my monitor is an asus 24" LCD. In love with it. Native res, 1920x1200
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Lawd...so after all that, your initial choices stand? :laughing7:
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Wow that is a bess res. u sure is 19x12 and not 10?
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wyatt, there are not reviews on amazon for d ram, becuase amazon never sell dat ram before, i was shcok to see it there.
d ram is rare, i only found it on ncixx which i was not able to buy from, and newegg.
so check newegg reviews, u will be impressed. trust me.
and i rel reserach ram, dat ram was rated as d best, on every site i check, next to d 500$ cl7 2000mhz kits, from corsair and ocz.
check newegg and decide from dat.
no other ram besides d rel high end, was able to run 12gb without ajusting yuh oc.
dat ram is table like ah house, and capable of runing cl6 if u loosen d timings, its crazy. dont rush to buy dat shit corsair, stop by newegg at least.
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I'm certain of it. That was one of the decisive factors in buying the Asus monitor.
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Arcman, there has been a slight change already based on the discussions:
Awesome pitched this cheaper but equivalent 5850
http://www.amazon.com/Visiontek-Radeon-HD5850-Express-900297/dp/B002QEBGGA (http://www.amazon.com/Visiontek-Radeon-HD5850-Express-900297/dp/B002QEBGGA)
but really didn't expect much deviation from the selection this time around since it was based upon some of the fastest rigs as seen in the 3dmark vantage thread.
Not much has changed since those guys upgraded. (namely yourself, awesome, messiah, isme2003, etc...)
I think the bigger question looming is which components get the upgrade treatment first? Phase 1 = cpu/mobo/ram change? Or phase 1 = 5850?
I'm a little afraid that my dual core 3ghz e6850 won't be powerful enough to push that monster around. It holds back my 4870 as is.
Yeah, messiah. gonna check newegg now.
hmm, the G.skill seems to be having QC issues too:
The very second review on newegg says this:
Pros: Works well and at specs. Able to reach 2033 with my EVGA X58-759 Classified. Really a good set of ram and you can't beat the price. Looks good and runs cool.
Cons: Did experience some BSODs when stressing memory at specs or slightly OC'd. After some testing, 1 stick out of my triple channel set consistently failed memtest v2.11 or v4.0. After removing the bad culprit memory runs like a charm.
Other Thoughts: I bought 2 sets at the time only tested the 3 sticks of 1 set. I already filled out the RMA request form for the 1 stick. Tech support does respond quite slowly and the phone does stay busy. Since I am waiting to hear back I might as well start testing each stick of the 2nd set to make sure all is well.
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So Corsair Dominator is 'shit RAM' now?
Okaaaaaay then. Not about to jump into THAT discussion,
but MY Dominators have performed splendidly up to now, with no issues at all.
Fortunately they were a whole lot cheaper at the time I bought em.
I'm actually shocked to see the price they are at now.
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How much did you pay for 'em?
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wyatt, yuh will always find men who get lemon, look at that whole fiasco with d high end elpida chips failing, namely, Corsair. and they had to take them off d market, as a result, ocz did d same. but they're back now and works fine. where many ppl dominator gt ram spoil, many other's worked perfectly, some ppl does juss do crap and spoil dey ram too.
That being said, i dont think u could find any ram out there wihtout a review saying they had to RMA a stick.
To responde to arcman, corsair dominator is not shit on its own , when i say is shit ram, i mean compared to the g.skill
and if wyatt eh plan on overclocking, a native 2000mhz for d same price as dem corsair, is tuff to beat.
like i said wyatt, u see how stink my latest rig is, and d ram dat was going to live in dat is dem exact G.Skill, dis is based on weeks upon weaks of reserach before settling on that memory, i check everything from ocz, corsair, mushkin (pretty good stuff too) , g.skill, kingston, boy i check everybody, and read tons of reviews.
in d end, Dem G.skill was d best, anything better dan dat, was d cl7 Corsair Dominator GT kits, but dat was rel dollors for dat ram. Which only perfomrned slightly faster dan d G.skill in d benchmarks, wasnt worth d 200$ premium to me.
D G.Skill 200mhz competes with 450$ Kits, d normal dominators is no match for that memory.
I wanted d best parts fuh meh rig, at price points dat make sense, i ALMOST bought d Dominator GTs, but benchamrks juss wasnt allowing dat purchase to make sense.
Buying arcman 4870x2 is ah good option too, once d price is right :)
As a side note, depending on when u making yuh purchase, i coudl sell u my 3 Sticks of OCZ Reaper 1800MHz memory, for dog cheap :), and ill swipe me 12gb of dat G.skill.
Let me know.
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but alyuh ain't just say not to go with 4870x2????
what kinda double talk is this. lol
Awesome already insinuate that his dx11 battlefield looking much better than mine and all kinda thing.
As for the ram rma issue (typo pun not intended)
Some components are high risk for rma and others are not. Take the hannsg monitor for example. It is an excellent monitor if you get one that works and continues to work for a long time. The net is over flowing with rma reports on that monitor. For argument sake, lets say 15% of them are doa or fail within 6 months.
The Asus monitor, while not as awesome still kicks ass and has much lower RMA reports. Say 2%.
went with the Asus.
Granted I could have still lucked out and landed square in the middle of the 2% with a dud 24" LCD on my hands but thankfully, that wasn't the case. Perfectly working monitor immc! (/me knocks on silicon)
Bit of a cautious approach (just like with the no overclocking thing, lol). I'll leave the risk taking to you youngons.
To get back to the topic at hand, the corsair has only 1 rma out of 25. Now that is odds a person averse to risk taking can live with. lol
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i say if u gettin thing dog cheap, mite be worth it, if arcman sellin dat x2 fuh rel cheap, id buy it. and d 4870x2 will run dx10, juss not 11. if u want 11, is ah no brainer, 5000 series. but there is alot to be saved getin dat card from arc, no shippin, cheap price, etc etc.
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Forget the x2, it will only be an interim solution anyway.
Noob, as far a I am concerned, yuh ready to run with that shortlist.
Actually, I maintain that you can live like a king with much cheaper memory.
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lol, agreed. Is just to organise de $$ then and determine phase 1 / phase 2 purchase order.
but I wonder if arc will let me test drive the 4870x2 and offer a brother in arms a bess price?
Might come in handy for a second rig if my son do well in SEA.
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aint have time to read all them pages a thing nah... so i will just drop in my two cents
baego it seems as doh you dont upgrade often, like me...
you went from a 8800gt to a 4870 (like me) and now you looking for a next upgrade...
i've been with one 4870 recently... and remember i also had 2 x 4870's in my machine at a time
and i've gone to the 2 x 5770's and they are performing better than the 2 x 4870's so much so that my CPU is now the bottleneck :S...
so with ur pattern... you know by the time you ready to do a next upgrade the 5000 series cards will be outdated and it wont make sense to get another one to cross, you will be better of getting a 6000 series.
Thats just my 2 cents applied to your upgrade timelines
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lol, agreed. Is just to organise de $$ then and determine phase 1 / phase 2 purchase order.
but I wonder if arc will let me test drive the 4870x2 and offer a brother in arms a bess price?
Might come in handy for a second rig if my son do well in SEA.
if yuh lookin 4 a bess price on a 4870X2, u can always check me. i'll be sellin mine cheap in a month or less. hope yuh doh mind Arc :happy0203:
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i cant believe all dis typing went on today.. alyuh doh have wok?
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lol
how "bess" a price we talking here?
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check ur pm to see :happy0203:
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bess price indeed. I'll continue to monitor the situation.
Phoenix, checked your benchmarks and some pretty impressive numbers from those cards.
Also, if I interpret your 2 cents correctly....you're saying go with a single card solution today, say the 5850 or 5870. And forget about crossfire altogether.
And when upgrade time rolls around in 9 months to a year, just spring for the best 6000 series card I could buy instead of looking to purchase another 5000 series.
is that right?
My only gripe is that you're on a quad cpu and it's overclocked to 3.6ghz.
I fear my dual core 3ghz at stock will not fear as well, powering a 5850 or dual 5770s for that matter. It is already limiting the performance of my 4870 as is. (see vantage benchmark thread)
also, why the mc hasn't the price dropped on this:? Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0 GHz 12M L2 Cache 1333MHz FSB LGA775 Quad-Core Processor
The bloody thing still commanding a us$329.99 price tag
I7 isn't driving the prices of those old school quad cores down?
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Intel has realized that the demand for the Q9650 has not dropped, so they not in a hurry to drop that price. Remember what I was able to do with the one I had? It is very overclockable.
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aye archman, i need some opinions on that microsoft mouse u have up fuh grabs...
how u like it?
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nah what i saying is: go with the 2 5770's as you will get more bang for the buck from those cards... and there would be no need to get anything in the near future... (video card wise i mean)
the argument with going for a 5850 is that u can always add a next card when that time reach... but for you, by that time reach it wont make sense getting another 5850.
but very good point at the CPU.. as i noted my cpu is now the bottleneck and is quad @ 3.6, so i fear your cpu none overclocked might be a hold up, but u will still see great improvements in games moving from the 4870 to any next gen, card even if you dont upgrade the rest of the rig (so gcard first is still the recommendation)
btw.. since like my pm's dont work or something... you wukking bG?
and the reason why i7 not dropping in price:
AMD has nothing to compete even remotely with i7 (as far as i know) so the competition really is still between the core 2 series and amd current line... so no rush to drop prices
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ah, understood.
Another thing to consider, my current gigabyte board isn't crossfire ready. If I want to go with those two 5770's, the mobo will need to be upgraded. So that's additional cost.
Dropping in the single card would definitely be easier when you take that into consideration.
I would be very interested in seeing a 5850 benchmarked with a core 2 duo @ 3ghz. See what kind of performance to expect with just 2 cores helping to push those pixels around.
Intel really has no competition yes. Seems the entire Core 2 Duo and I7 line comes with leather studs and a tube of ky in the box.
Let dem haul dey mc with those ridiculous prices. Can't give men wrong for wanting to overclock at the asking rates for a measly 3ghz quad core.
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arent u already going to upgrade your motherboard to be CF ready?
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that depends, remember the million dollar question is this:
Which components to go with for Phase 1 and which for Phase 2.
If Phoenix recommendation is to go with the GPU first, that means Phase 1 = Video Card (s)
Not CPU/Mobo/Ram. That means I'll still be using my old mobo that ain't crossfire ready.
If I go witht the CPU/Mobo/Ram first, I won't have $$ for the GPU, so I'll be using my old ATI 4870.
Bess I play lotto today and do both phase 1 and 2 same time yes. Scoff @ that $7000 upgrade sticker price, lol
Console men does really have it easy yes. PC gaming is TOO MC EXPENSIVE.
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Credit Union, wyatt, credit union...
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Console men does really have it easy yes. PC gaming is TOO MC EXPENSIVE.
ROFL, you doh have to tell me twice! :P
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Credit Union, wyatt, credit union...
You know one that easy to rob?
lol, ent redlum, the amount of games I could buy on steam with that TT$7000.00
Could be playing happily ever after till 2020.
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.....PC gaming is TOO MC EXPENSIVE.
:laughing7:
PREACH brother!!!
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yea pc gaming expensive, but i dont think nobody here building ah gaming rig just to play games lol, man using dey pc to d tons of other stuff. and i am 100% sure all d console men own some sort of pc or d other. so if u dedicated to pc gaming and dont want to buy ah console, wont be so bad. since d money u spend behind a console, dump dat in yuh already needed pc, and talk done.
and d men with d more powerful pc rigs, like myself, will need dat kinda power even if dey not gaming.
so in conclusion, if u buying ah pc for d sole purpose of gaming, it makes no sense atal pricewise compared to a console. but if u buying ah gaming pc to be used for d core purpose of a pc, plus gaming, d price doesnt look dat bad. yuh spending at least 3500$ for ah shit machien in trinidad now , 45-5 fuh ah proper machine, nongaming. so if yuh building yuh own gaming rig fuh like 6-7, d extra is d price of ah console.
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man, a bloody netbook could do all the "other stuff" I do on my PC.
The only reason I have all this power is for games. lol
If it was not for games, A old P4 2ghz with 2gb of ram and a 5900 nvidia card would take care of business, 100%
That's like a 5 year old machine right there.
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2ghz p4 :S u mad ah wah, lolol dat cyah even begin to do my wok.
windows 7 alone make dat machine cry.
d average pc user today wants, flashy shit, picture editin programs, able to watch movies / bluray, and den d basic stuff too. i eh think nobody who need ah pc today in dey right mind going to buy ah machine wiht dem specs u call there.
my argument is, a person going to buy ah pc todya, is buying ah proper pc for d times, not no old piece of crap, and add ah lil more money (d price of ah console) , and dat same machine a user was already going to buy, becomes game ready.
Dis is what a daily session with my pc involves:
100+ internet tabs opened in opera
about 10-20 tabs open in IE
Multitabbed msn convo, steam, mumble, skype,
Outlook 2010 pulling Company mail and Gmail
Download / Syncing program doing its thing.
Some tv series or d other playing on another monitor. (Bluray)
Serveral RDP Sessions open doing shit on clients network.
ALL of those things does be happening simultaneously on ah daily basis.
And when i ready to work, add these:
Websites: Photoshop, Dreamweaver, and Flash, FTP program, all running simultaneously.
Networking: Serveral VMs, visio, and ah couple excel/word docs.
The power of my rig is much needed, and i does use every ounce of it lol.
And d average user out there is not going to be satisfied with d specs u call there atal. dat machine go be running way to slow for dem.
* Tube's P4 2ghz machine *
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wanna bet? not everyone is a power user like you.
Just looking around at my family, none of them have a machine as powerful as mine.
In fact, most of them running on integrated shit graphics with 2gb of ram. (those who have PCs). The majority have laptops. You'll laugh if you hear the specs on those.
Let me give you what their PC day looks like:
Facebook
hotmail
Watch a video
youtube
hotmail
mirosoft word
facebook
hotmail
did I mention facebook?
lol
It more than handling that. Like I said, even a shitty netbook will do the trick.
Looking at my installed apps on this pc (right now) probably the most demanding thing after the games is the virus scanner.
That's the truth.
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how old is d pc/laptops dem ppl running?
and if u go in ah store NOW to buy a machine, are u going to look for somethign with dem old parts? or buy a low end machine for d times?
To buy ah machine with p4 now, mite cost yuh more, dan buying something with ah dual core. lol
Nobody walking in ah store now, going to buy nothing with ah P4 processor in it.
It have ah reason d pc industry does stop selling parts.
So like i say, d machine an average user is going to buy for themselfs NOW, plus d price of a console, is game ready. Not everybody needs ah 4870 to run games.
Like i said in d battlefield thread, dat 8800gt machine yuh son have, is more dan capable of running gears of war, and bad comapny 2.
It dont have to look d best for it to be game ready, and those modern games, even at low settings, looks pretty dam good.
And if u spend d same money behind adding PC graphics to whatever rig yuh buying, as u do a console, d pc version will be comparible graphics wise, to d console version.
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Most people not even buying pcs. You know why? Cause they don't need a new one. De old one doing the job.
Most sales coming from laptops and netbooks (woody hit meh some stats dey with that imba google-fu)
And plenty of those laptops and netbooks have specs shittier than what I call.
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even i own a netbook, i buy it becuase of d battery life, 10hrs,
perfect for runnin roudn by clients, and traveling. Both of which i do alot of.
But d thing slow like crap, even for d simle, web browsing, msn, and rdp session, dats basic stuff, but d thing too slow. but i NEED d battery life, dont have ah choice.
D ppl buying netbooks and laptops now, already have some sort of entertainment something going on home.
Every single person, who asked our compnay for a netbook, d first thing dey want to knwo is, if it coudl play movies. man want pc for entertainment, only now d more modern netbooks coming capable of playing d lil bluray. and dies d more expensive netbooks. d men who buying dat, not even interested in gaming. lol.
D argument is not what men buying more. d argument is
D money u spending on ah average machine now-ah-days + d price of a console = a propper gaming machine. dat is d argument.
So if somebody approach me and say, dey want to get some games for dey child. ill recomend ah pc ANY day of d week, becuase d child gets ah proper machine for shcool works and d like, one fast and nice, plus d it have tons of free pc games, plus d paid ones. Dan to buy d child ah PS3 or Xbox. I dont sell nobody ah pc again dat cant play game. fuh ah few bucks more, to make it game ready, come on.
but my same question stands.
If consoles is d way and pc so expensive to upgrade, why are u upgrading :S
Why not play Bad Company 2 on yuh ps3, why d need to buy d expenisve pc gaming rig :)
: Pc gaming is not expensive, pc on d whole is what expensive, d gaming part of it is quiet reasonable comapred to console for like graphics and performance.
IF all d pc makers / hardware makers, was focused on making pc parts focused at pc gamers alone, all of dem woulda be out of business long time.
Pll are buying propper pcs, not dem shit parts u calling, if man was not buying propper pcs, dey wouldnt have make dem. and dem same propper pcs man buying, add ah gpu, and talk done.
Netbooks and Laptops is juss another segment of d very lucrative pc industry.
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Wyatt, keep the current setup, wait till next spring and then build, by then there should be rather cheap sandybride stuff out, 7000 series ati cards and much cheaper ram.
When building you always have 2 choices, upgrade parts knowing they will still be outdated very soon, or just go for it. The good thing is vid cards and ram can normally move with you, well ddr3 ram that is. For a MOBO now 1366 is a must as the 1157 boards will be end of life year end, 1366 will last another year or so. ok so just get a 5850 ati and wait it out, or find a 6600 or a 9505 and do the quick and nasty :D
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Old "Anya" still going strong but one of her components kicked the bucket this morning.
My faithful Thermaltake PurePower 600W powersupply
She had been "hard starting" for the past two weeks or so.
I'd actually have to push her button a few times to get her going.
No such luck today though. Flat line immc.
So in the market for a replacement.
As per usual, fellow Techizens, lend me your power.
Figuring I'd shoot around 700W and modular again.
Feast your eyes on this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341018 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341018)
(http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/17-341-018-TS?$S300W$)
What is the recommendation? Not too keen to return to the Thermaltake brand. 3 years wasn't a bad run.....but was expecting about 5.
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you're in luck
used 2 of those in a build alrdy
latest one was i7 950, 6gb ddr3, ati hd 5830 and 4 2tb hdds and 1 128gb ssd
it works well
all the rails were showing stable readings with load
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Excellent.
Good enough for the captain, good enough for me.
SOLD
Should be a good partner for my gigabyte board in the not too distant future as well.
Updated the first post with my current specs:
CPU) Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6850 3GHz 1333MHz 4MB LGA775 CPU, Retail E6850BOX (US$262.43)
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRR2UUO-ErXFIG5u1or_NIX1Sw4sW952CEv4_Rfd4-gz1RoemZVhwwkP_4qbQ)
MOBO) GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L Core 2 Quad/ Intel P35/ DDR2-1066/ A&GbE/ ATX Motherboard MB-P35DS3L (US$83.62)
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQvdsVz5pAJSSQwjE1ti82Bbn5O46DMJEOy9U3TBSUWGoqsnaOk0g)
PSU) Omega 800W WSHB Powersupply ($Negligible...ripped out of an old PC laying around the house )
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTf1laSKbrjgu8sWqESUGOD3T1ad83pDFps3en6N_nb413xxH87hB806L97)
RAM) STT DDR2-800 4GB (2x2GB) Memory Kit T800UX4GC5 (US$88.00)
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHsAeWbsndVjiO0y7au430fSE1RAlkRogGvZCRC4Ys0l9yE-cE)
GPU) EVGA Nvidia 550TI 1GB DDR3 (On loan)
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ3ILUB4vS5fgFjdXf_vzxDPEzvZtXpHS-1nvucko-8ngBGmBkl)
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Santa came early.
First piece of the upgrade has arrived.
GPU) Gigabyte HD 6970 2GB GDDR5
(http://p.gzhls.at/633366.jpg)
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lol @ "super talent"
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You still running that dual core? =p
That card useless without an O/C x4 or i5
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Seems like somebody trying to compensate for things possibly lacking otherwise (troll)
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ent boy mez, talant-ed ram immc
@ virtue. This is just the first piece of the puzzle.
But rest assured, my Battlefield 3 running like butter with the Dual Core and this overpowered card. Don't let the hype fool you.
1920x1080 medium (used to run it on low before with the 550ti and 4870)
A quad core ain't essential.
Check my 3dmark 2011 score as well. It nearly doubled with this card.
@ redfish....HYMC!
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Define butter? If you are getting 60 FPS and above on HIGH then i'd consider that butter. Hope you not trying to pass off some stale margarine as butter eh.
And yes the card will almost double your score, its at least 3 times as powerful as the 4870. I don't think i need to reiterate what's holding it back =p. Do not disappoint your peers Wyatt. We are waiting :cowboy:
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It running like butter at 1920x1080 res and medium. 60fps
I didn't try high yet (running off to work)
but that setting is more than good enough to mow down the likes of you.
bullet iymc.
A lot of life left in that dual core.
Who knows, if it performs this well, I might not even bother with the rest of my upgrade for some time yet.
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lol @ Wyatt aka Mr. Sour grapes, like they had you in a container on d port baking over d weekend :lol:
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Good sir, PC power ≠ skill.
But i'll let my gun do the talking come friday night :sassy:
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It running like butter at 1920x1080 res and medium. 60fps
I didn't try high yet (running off to work)
but that setting is more than good enough to mow down the likes of you.
bullet iymc.
A lot of life left in that dual core.
Who knows, if it performs this well, I might not even bother with the rest of my upgrade for some time yet.
dont get happy just yes buddy
see the words i have in bold ?
picture this
i run at ultra and get 70-76FPS constant..
sure u dont want to upgrade and see what u missing out ? ** pokes wyatt in the rib cage with 6990 **
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hahahaha
Yeah, Captain, go ahead and show off with your Ultra.
I won't be venturing there until the beast is complete.
Medium doing the trick for now.
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da plane, da plane!!!
package has arrived and it hot.
(http://www.carigamers.com/images/Package.jpg)
attached is a teaser...
Be afraid saxman, be very afraid
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finally! I hope you have a case with good airflow so u dont melt that 6970 and the intel cpu eh
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lol, these parts will run cooler than my old parts.
gotta love technology
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da plane, da plane!!!
package has arrived and it hot.
(http://www.carigamers.com/images/Package.jpg)
attached is a teaser...
Be afraid saxman, be very afraid
If USPS had delivery girls like that they wouldn't be going bankrupt ! :lol:
nice parts btw you wouldn't have to worry abt bf3 crashes anymore
except for ones caused by AMD's drivers.. :(
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ent @ delivery girls
lol, thanks for the compliment
btw, fixed the battlefield 3 crashes aeons ago with a fix found on the interwebs. It only affect 32bit windows and was a memory addressing issue.
Worked like a dream after that.
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Be afraid saxman, be very afraid
LMAO!
:cowboy: Briiiiiing eeeeet onnnnnn! :angry4: :angry5: :angryfire:
It da better be worth the rinse out ears "she" get to approve this purchase...
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Ah boy... Christmas come early TW.
I guess you ban from further upgrades for 2012? :laughing7:
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damn right, lol
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a hint of the future
upgrades imminent
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1010663_10151992005712067_202325899_n.jpg)