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Tech Talk => Hardware, Tweaking & Networking => Graphics Cards => Topic started by: W1nTry on April 23, 2008, 09:53:03 AM
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Some early outtings:
DAAMIT 4800 series outed
GDDR5 lined up
By Wily Ferret: Wednesday, 23 April 2008, 1:25 PM
SOME NEW INFO on the latest round of AMD graphics processors has suspiciously reared its head on a German hardware website, purporting to show the full spec list for DAAMIT's range of next-gen mid-range products, based on RV770.
The 4870, 4850 and 4850 GDDR 3 are all built on DAAMIT's 55nm processor, have 480 stream processors, 32 TMUs and 16 ROPs, according to the data sheet.
The former will come with high-end GDDR5 memory for those that simply have to have the latest in incremental numbering systems, and the real differentiators will be the chip and memory speeds: 850/1050MHz for the 4870 and 650/850MHz for the 4850.
The Germans reckon that we're on for a May release, with the top end card costing $349 and the midrange $269, with the lower of the three yet to be priced up.
You can have a look at the chart for yourself here (http://www.hardware-infos.com/news.php?news=2008), and you might be interested in a little English-language discussion here (http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=266425), which includes the stunning revelation that 'Mai' might just be German for 'May'. Really?
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hmm interesting, is that a shader clock i see? has always been my theory that the reason why nvidia's cards had an edge over the ati cards was because of that shader clock which i think is because of their difference in stream procession architecture. i could be wrong..
hmm i wonder what type of bargains and hardware will be availble by christmas, prices dropping wonderfully, ATi finally bringing something new on d plate.. hmm. Only to wonder what nvidia have up their sleeves.
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Well considering that Nvidia put out the 9xxx series which isn't much of a new generation vs. a product refresh... I not sure IF nvidia will indeed put out ANOTHER 'new product' for the year. That being said, there are multiple reasons Nvidia's hardware seems to run faster. Two important ones are:
1. Faster Shaders - this is tied to types of shaders used as it's been stated ATI could see better performance if games were programmed differently
2. TWIMTBP
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LMAO @ twimtbp... the graphics card mafia, almost every stinking game i see has that nvidia slogan.
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LMAO @ twimtbp... the graphics card mafia, almost every stinking game i see has that nvidia slogan.
Exactly!
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http://hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTIwODk5Mjk4MXRuZEJvcEpIU1FfMV8xX2wuanBn
Prices will be $349 for the 1GB GDDR5 HD4870 , $267 for the 512mb GDDR5 4850 , and probably close to $200 for the GDDR3 4850.
Based on the price points the 4870 should be at least twice as fast as the 3870, as it will be competing against the 9800GTX , the 3850 X2 sells for 349 self , and the 3870 will drop in price significantly on the release of he HD4xxx series.
The different models of the 4850 should at least equal the 8800GTS and GT at the price points it will be pushed at.
The 4600 series with 240 stream processors would then be the equal of a 3870/9600gt for around $150.
Though all my extrapolations could be wrong... just a few weeks till we see the truth.
I think ATI's weakness has always been the low number of TMUs they put in the 2900/3870 (16 TMU) .
The 9800GTX has something like 64 , the 9600 around 32 . In any game that required alot of texturing power the ATIs would trail far behind , having 1/4 the TMUs of the top end Nvidia.
with the HD4870, ATI put in 32 TMUs, doubling texture power ,and increasing shader power by about 80%
( 320 x 850 = 272 000 versus 480 x 1050=504 000 not multiplying by operations per clock but this is a good enough idea of performance )
and increased the memory bandwidth greatly..
So i'm hoping for at least 2x the speed of the 3870, as this may be my next card to buy.
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hmmm
Summer will bring a GPU war
Analysis PR teams gear up for carnage
By Charlie Demerjian: Friday, 02 May 2008, 5:05 PM
THIS SUMMER WE are going to see an large scale GPU war, something we haven't really seen for a few years now. Nvidia may have all the headlines today , but ATI has been plotting and rebuilding for the 7xx series launch.
Last year, the mere suggestion of ATI doing well was laughed at, but the firm took the outright lead with the X2 cards and forced NV into the reactionary GX2. ATI can do three and four-way adequately, albeit with the the Broken OS, while NV can only do it in name. Same with the bucket called 'hybrid' for both power and frame rate.
ATI has been plotting a comeback, and the R770/R700 parts should take the outright lead once again. The trick to the cards is what we told you almost two years ago, no more big GPUs.
You saw a little of that with the 3870X2, but the bridge was a simple PCIe switch. The real magic this time is a bridge that shares memory, GDDR5 in this case. Yup, you will have 2 GPUs with one set of memory.
This simplifies designs, lowers chip cost, and speeds time to market. You get two full variants for the design cost of 1.25, and you are on the happy end of the cost/area curve for fabbing silicon. While the early word on GT200 is that it is again 500mm^2+, ATI will have 2x chips that are much smaller, which translates into a huge cost advantage.
The other nice thing is that the bridge should keep the GPUs hidden from the system. This has a disadvantage of hard-wiring in the Crossfire modes leaving a little performance on the table, but when you have two of them in the system, it looks like two GPUs, not four. One look at the 1 -> 2 -> 4 scaling rates will show what a win that is.
What it comes down to in the end is that ATI looks to have built up a technological lead that NV is reacting to. It is the same thing that happened about the time when NV first released SLI, it had all the answers and ATI had to catch up. Now the tables are turned.
Another interesting change is on the PR side. NV has been mouthing off to anyone who won't run away fast enough while ATI has been silent. Some minor reshuffling at the ATI PR camp says that they are prepping for an outright hot war. As you know, it is always the silent ones that are the most trouble.
This summer we will see both trends come to a head, a new resurgent ATI technological lineup with a PR team willing to beat heads to get the job done. NV will be playing catchup with a long list of paper technologies and a few real ones.
The shouting should be pretty intense, and with Intel flipping sides, things will be all the more interesting.
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Sorry to say this but I have NO brand royalty. Come July when those cards come out, if it turns out that they're beating Nvidia's offerings at a good price, daamit immc.
I find nvidia has been sitting on its hands more or less ever since the launch of the 8800 series back in 2006. You mean to tell me that one and a half years later you STILL can't come out with a new technology and are satisfied just flinging megaloads of recycled tech to people? And now just wasting time behaving like a little bit...girl cyring to Intel about how they're being unfair. DAAMIT nvidia DAAMIT.
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^^ true that, nvidia only recycling the technology of the g80 chip and just calling it new names, adding a tiny feature here and there but no real difference, ATi can certainly take advantage of that with their r770, but who knows what these manufacturers have up their sleeves, always a trick here and there.
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Update:
ATI Radeon 4800 launch details: Meet (Terry) Makedon and Trojan (Horse)
By Theo Valich
Wednesday, May 14, 2008 17:48
TG Daily Exclusive – We previously published several details about AMD’s next-generation graphics card lineup and as we get closer to the launch we are getting more details about the launch date, feature set and prices. The good news: The new boards will come with “physics processing capability” and prices that will start below $200 for a 512 MB board. The bad news: The 4800 series will launch after Nvidia’s GT200.
Yes, we know, we previously said that the 4800 series would launch in May, but as it stands right now, we won’t be seeing the first new cards until mid-June. According To AMD’s current introduction schedule, the Radeon 4800 series will launch in week 25, which puts the day of the introduction somewhere between June 15 and June 22. What is significant about this time frame is that ATI will trail Nvidia and their new high-end chip GT200.
This comes as a major surprise, because it was widely expected that ATI will debut its RV770 chip first, followed by Nvidia's summer part. But as it stands right now, Nvidia has the pole position in a new round of the graphics wars. Of course, the GT200 and RV770 are actually not entirely comparable, because of their huge price difference. But performance-wise, we're in for a possibly close race.
ATI's Radeon 4800 series will be introduced in three flavors - as 4850, 4870 and 4870 X2. The company will also offer a “4850 256MB” (as opposed to 512 MB in other versions), but this SKU is a so-called "option" and is geared towards to the OEM/ODM/SI crowd to support them with cheaper parts for the back-to-school period and beyond.
The Radeon 4850, code-named “Makedon,” is AMD's launch board. The name, by the way, is likely to refer to Terry "Catalyst" Makedon, group manager for software and video in the AMD (ATI) graphics division. Of course, there is a small chance that Alexander The Great (Alexandros Megas, Alexandar Makedonski) may have influenced the naming, but somehow we feel that Terry has won this time.
The 4850 board features 512 MB of GDDR3 memory and is expected to be available in volume at launch. We heard that card vendors will start printing their boxes next week, which means that the specifications are final at this time. According to our sources, the 4850 will come with single-slot cooling; CrossFireX is supported with up to four boards in a single system (if you have the appropriate board based on AMD 790FX, 790GX, Intel Skulltrail, X48) and each board will require a single 6-pin PCIe power connector.
AMD will follow up in July and launch the Radeon 4870 512 MB GDDR5 and the 4870 X2 1024 MB GDDR5 (R700). The Radeon 4870 chip is built onto a board codenamed “Trojan” (could be named after a condom brand or a horse; we pick the latter) and comes with a dual-slot cooler, following the tradition of earlier XX70 boards. Our previous information about the memory buffer was a bit inaccurate, since the cost of Qimonda's GDDR5 memory apparently was not compatible with the targeted pricing of these cards. The 4870 includes 512MB GDDR5 memory and surpasses upcoming Nvidia cards in terms of bandwidth. However, if any ATI partner wants to build a 1024 MB GDDR5 board, ATI will not say no, we were told. But don't expect this to happen until early fall, since everybody wants to move as many units as possible.
In terms of performance, we heard some interesting claims. A 4870 should perform on par with or better than a dual-chip 3870 X2. Our sources explained to us that using a PCIe Gen1 controller 3870 X2 was a mistake, since the board was hungry for data and didn't sync well with this interface. Don’t expect the ATI team to repeat that mistake with the 4870 X2. However, we admit that we have no idea what kind of connection two RV770 GPUs will have.
Looking at features, ATI will promote DirectX 10.1, PCI Express 2.0, dynamic geometry acceleration and other functions that were introduced with the Radeon 3800 series. What surprises us is that the manufacturer is highlighting a "Game physics processing capability" in its launch materials. Since ATI didn't bid for Havok (which ended up in Intel’s lap) and Nvidia snapped up PhysX we wonder who provides a physics engine for ATI. Perhaps the company took a completely different direction and it simply expanded its GPGPU capabilities from professional FireStream cards to the desktop.
The Radeon 4800 series also includes 7.1 channel-via-HDMI support and color output also got a “significant” boost, our sources said. We were unable to confirm HDMI 1.3 support, but we would not be surprised if that in fact is the case. The Unified Video Decoder is now in generation 2 and is called "UVD2".
Every aspect of the GPU is monitored by PowerPlay, since ATI will be very aggressive on the power side: The boards have been designed with power in mind and the 4850/4870 won't require 8+6-pin combinations (exception: The dual-GPU 4870 X2). Power supply requirements call for a 450 watt unit for a single card and a 550 watt version for two cards. Given the fact that ATI has to state this for PoS power supplies, CrossFire should do just fine with a top notch 400 watt power supply.
Let’s talk about pricing. AMD decided to remain aggressive in an effort to win back market share. Pricing is actually set to a point where Nvidia is unlikely to be able to compete (that is at least what somebody is hoping for). Pricing guidelines are not finalized at this time, but according to several sources, the Radeon 4850 will succeed the 3850 512MB and should cost about $189-$219 at launch. Our sources indicated that 4870 GDDR5 cards will cost between $249 and $279, but somehow we feel that AMD might aim go for $199 and $249 at launch.
Given the current market, these prices could stir up the market and create quite a circus. Radeon cards could be getting lots of design wins for the back-to-school market, but our sources warned us that ATI is a bit late to the party. Qualifying of systems takes time, and tens of thousands of machines take time to be manufactured and shipped to North America. For Europe, things are more lenient, since nobody works in August and schools/universities start in September or October.
All in all, ATI will have one helluwa June and July. All eyes are now on Nvidia: Will Nvidia create a decent competitor for the sub-$300 range (55nm G92 is being prepared), or will AMD/ATI will gain market share?
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can't wait for these cards to come out.. i have my money on ATi.. lol.. woot!!
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Got some goodies... here's a pic of the 4850 Pro:
(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8092/ati4860prodq9.th.jpg) (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ati4860prodq9.jpg)
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Steups. I want BENCHIES biatch!!!
I needs to see dem graphs n charts. :lol:
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I'm sure the 4870 will bench very well against the gtx260, and at $350, that's my kinna price.
If it comes even close to the performance of the $450 260, 4870 FTMFW!
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http://www.bilgiustam.com/512mb-ati-hd-4870rv770-1gb-geforce-9800-gx2-crysis-ve-3dmark-2006-testleri/
4870 benchmark vs. 9800gx2 benchmark... site is not in english and validity of the results are unknown..
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Yea...these have been confirmed to be fake. It would have been nice if they were true eh?
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yea.. that's a bummer.. i mean.. we are in june.. so nobody can't steal one and bench d biatch? lol these cards better be the best thing since sliced bread oui..
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i found this a while ago.. if it's real, ati ftw, but i suspect fraud after looking closely at the picture...
To Believe or Not To Believe.... (http://www.hardspell.com/english/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=3413)
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Steups...I shall reserve judgement until Anandtech or Tom's Hardware weighs in on it.
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THG ftw, anandtech does be bias imho
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Meh @ tom's. I've seen some of their work reek of bias too. Techreport, trusted reviews, vr-zone ftw.
Those Chinese pics are fake as well btw.
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No numbers yet, but here's a rundown of what we can expect.
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/06/12/hd-4850-4870-performance-posted
Dear I say it? Nvidia pwnt this rounds?
I told you guys my next card would probably be from DAAMIT. Looks like that's actually gonna be the case.
Crosses fingers that this "analysis" is true.
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You do remember that 'Inq' stories are to be taken with a grain of salt until 'verified' right?
*waits patiently for Anandtech review* :rolleyes:
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http://forum.donanimhaber.com/m_23897423/tm.htm
Official benchmarks from ATI apparantly , of course will likely be slightly exaggerated , but we can safely say the 4870> 9800gtx and 4850>8800gt .
According to some rumours , ATI actually squeezed 800 stream processors onto their new chips , making them better number crunchers than the GTX280 .
Nvidia may have lowered GTX260 pricing , competition is always good : http://www.nordichardware.com/forum/nvidia-shakened-by-radeon-hd-4800-lowers-prices-vt10339.html
ATI and Intel's Havoc are uniting to do physics work
http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/14921
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http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=432477#post432477
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/3dmark_vantage_performance/page13.asp
Supposedly solid benchmarks showing the 4850 in 3dmark, if you compare the GPU score to the 2nd link , the 200 US 4850 beats the 8800 ultra and 3870X2 in the 'Extreme' score.
Definately a card to look out for.
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We a 4850 review from a trusted forum site, Apparantly the 4850s are being sold pre NDA by some smaller companies, everything is ready for launch but ATI is trying to get the 3870s and 3850s sold out before they introduce anything else
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=191096
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/3dmark_vantage_performance/page13.asp
if you compare the 3dmark GPU score from this other site , the 4850 basically = the 3870 X2 and beats the 8800ultra.
comparing Call of Juarez to another site , the 4850 apparantly beats a 9800gtx , is 2x the speed of the 3870 and 3x an 8800gt... Considering the CPU the 4850 is using is overclocked to 4GHZ ,I'd say it more or less equals a 9800GTX.
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/xfx_9800gtx/11.htm
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ATi is back son!!! those results are wonderful, 4850 price per performance king?! most likely yess. can't wait to see some 4870 benches
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Very promising indeed. If these can be believed, the 4870 should be quite a beast, and subsequently, my very own come next month.
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Selling for 189.99 on this site : http://fxvideocards.com/Sapphire-HD-Radeon-4850-p-16386.html
By the time i pick up the O/C , dual slot cooler model i want around october, I'd expect it to be around 170US or less.
These things are going for cheap!
EDIT : i now see the 9 dollar shipping charge.. make it 199 basically , tief head tricksters.
Still , its a good sign for what these cards will be priced at .
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i feeling like a real c#@t right now i just pick up an 8800gs for $129.99, should of waited and could of picked up a better card.
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^^^ u bought an 8800gs?!?!?!... why?
i feel your pain...
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GREAT NEWS !! Nvidia is supposedly cutting the 9800GTX down to 199USD as well!
4850 NDA has been moved up , expect reviews by later tonight .
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9703/amd_radeon_hd_4850_arrives_early_launch/index.html
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=579&type=expert&pid=4
4850 looks good so far , matching or beating the 9800GTX slightly .
the 4870 is clocked 30% higher with much faster RAM , so will be at least 30% faster than the 9800gtx.
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that is great news, really great news. i'm dying to see the performance of the 4870 tho...
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Patience young padawan...I think we're ALL dying to see this.
Nvidia more than anybody I think. :lol:
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Hail to the new price/performance KING!!! (well, at $200 US anyway)
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4576/capture19062008201724mi0.jpg)
Tech Report is 1st out of the gate with a direct 4850 to GT200 comparison (http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/14967/1),
and I think you'll just LOVE the results.
GPU gods be praised. :notworthy:
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oh
my
WORD!!!!!
i'm definitely considering getting a 4870..lol look at dat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Good stuff! the HD4850 is squared off against the 9800GTX and KICKING IT in the proverbial Cohones! if the price premium is indeed the magical mid range $199USD Then this is DEFINITELY a card to have for the mid. If we are to speculate on the 4870... and watch how the 3850 vs 3870 performed... since it's basically the same card clocked differently and there was a performance delta of about... say 30% as with the previous generation, then the 4870 will compete VERY nicely with the GTX280 and then well.... 4870X2 O_O beyond just that though.... with 800 Stream processors... this thing will FOLD circles around the Nvidia card and ANY CPU!!!!
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^^^ Lest you forget also, the 4870 is to be priced at less than HALF of the GTX280 eh.
So at $300 US...the GPU gods have spoken: ATI HD4870 FT-muthaf#ckin-W. :)
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300us.. 4870... dais wa i talking bout... licks in nvidia mc.. if i'm able to sell my current gpu.. i would go for the 4870.. only if i sell d 88'
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And the GPU gods spoke and it WAS MUDDA F$%^ING GOOD!!!!!!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121253 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121253)
(http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/8828/4850dp3.jpg)
$169.99USD B1TCHES!!!
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*philosophical just slapped himself*..
:awesome:
organizing a possible departure with my current gpu now.. :happy0203: hope de person serious
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Unfortunately, Newegg is kind of a pain to purchase from...and then there's this:
With two 4850s paired up in CrossFire, we once again ran into issues with our power supply. Our 1000W OCZ EliteXStream wasn't always enough for the dual-GPU setup and in Call of Duty 4 our system rebooted in the middle of our test at 2560 x 1600. Thankfully OCZ sent us a PC Power & Cooling Turbo Cool 1200W unit that is certified for use with GeForce GTX 280 SLI, and if it works on that beast, it had better work with a pair of 4850s in CrossFire.
Courtesy Anandtech
With that said, I guess Crossfire is out for me. I just not ready to invest in a 1KW+ PSU just yet.
So, before you run off and sell the 88 there Philo, at least wait and see what the power consumption of the 4870 is like.
Take care you don't need a new PSU to run it (I know, its just a single card).
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4870 ftw. I looking for a good price vs performance ratio, but the extra power of the 4870 may be well worth it. Crossfire could always come in the future though. I just want to see how these things will perform on a pci-e v1.1 system though. This is my main concern.
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Wait... OCZ sent a PC Power & Cooling... aren't they TWO DIFFERENT COMPANIES??? O_o
Also Tech report did the power consumption test and didn't show it being a ridiculous power hog... in fact they also showed tests for 4850 in XFire and didn't mention any SPECIAL power arrangements. Arc I hadda wonder about Anandtech for those 2 inconsistencies.. first citing power issues and OCZ sending another company PSU? and then saying it needs 1200W? er....
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errrr... power issues... errrr amm let me see how the 4870 performs..
i have the OCZ 850watt gamexstream psu btw
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Wait... OCZ sent a PC Power & Cooling... aren't they TWO DIFFERENT COMPANIES??? O_o
pc pwr and cooling is owned by OCZ
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Kinda confusing...as Tech Report's article (http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/14967/10) didn't say that any mega-PSU was required, but then their tests
did not include any Crossfire or SLI results, so who knows, they might be right.
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did not include any Crossfire or SLI results, so who knows, they might be right.
Hmm funny this: http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/14967/7 (http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/14967/7)
... maybe i'm just seeing things....
(http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/4600/4850xfireux6.th.jpg) (http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4850xfireux6.jpg)
Yes I AM seeing things... like Xfire score...
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Lol why does crossfire results come as a surprise? I would be surprised if they DIDNT do those.
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Lol why does crossfire results come as a surprise? I would be surprised if they DIDNT do those.
You'll have to excuse arc, after DAAMIT put his beloved green team on the proverbial shelf, he's not seeing straight XD
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'...beloved green team'....? Surely you jest W1ntry.:lol: I hold no brief for Nvidia. You self have an 8800 GT, so what does that say?
I have to PAY for their cards too. If I was getting em free, well thats a different story.
As for the crossfire results there, I may have missed that, but I'm glad you pointed it out,
because they did in fact use a 750W PSU, and didn't get the same issues that Anandtech did.
Thats the significant point.
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http://www.legitreviews.com/article/731/1/
4850 versus 9800GTX+ review , the overclock pushes the GTX slightly faster than the 4850 in a few games , also included is on-card PhysX support (through a driver) which boosts the 3dmark Vantage score significantly .
http://www.viddler.com/explore/bootdaily/videos/2/
ATI promotional videos running on the 4850... can you say photo realism?
with all this competition things are surely confusing , and the 4870 and 4870 X2 aren't even out yet !
I'd advise anyone without cash to burn to wait till september for the situation to become clear :
Nvidia's CUDA initiative and PhysX drivers might make them the worthwhile choice if lots of companies go their way .
We might see a 300 US GTX260 on a 55nm process , with 256bit memory bus and GDDR5 before the end of the year (complete speculation coming from my head only, no news source,but it makes sense, the 9800gtx went down to a 256 bit bus from the 8800gtx's 384bit to save cost).
ATI's cards have superior processing power to nvidia , the 4850 crunching 1 teraflop with its 800 stream processors , more than the GTX280 .
If an open source GPU physics initiative is embraced by game developers , ATI would be the better choice as i will illustrate :
9800GTX+ has 128 stream processors crunching about 500 gigaflops , half a 4850.
4850 is crunching about 1000 gigaflops .
A gpu Physics thingy in a game comes along requiring 50 gigaflops of processing power.
The 9800gtx just lost 10% of its graphics performance as resources become tied up in physics.
the 4850 looses about 5% .
ATI also supporting DX10.1 etc. making them the better choice for longevity . If anyone remembers the Radeon 8500 days , the 8500's shader 1.4 eventually made it faster and supporting more games than the nvidia solutions of its day. The same scenario may repeat , if you look it up , ATI cards get a nice speed boost in Assasins creed when 10.1 support is enabled....
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The 9800gtx just lost 10% of its graphics performance as resources become tied up in physics.
the 4850 looses about 5% .
Are you sure about that? Look at the carts on this page (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/731/14/) again.
Overall performance increases with PhysX operational (in physics-enabled tests).
You said it yourself: "Nvidia's CUDA initiative and PhysX drivers might make them the worthwhile choice if lots of companies go their way ."
If this does happen, then Nvidia will have come up trumps again.
My, my, my.....the proverbial 'plot' thickens. :)
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Well, that is a big "of" if I ever saw an if.
Physx has been around for a while, but it didnt really pick up much steam...and we got by without it too. Just look at Crysis.
Physx comes in only with games that support Physx. Apart from that, the 4850 boasts more raw power. I mean, im not for or against anything at thios point. I'm just enjoying the show and will be choosing the best one.
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This is really a comparison on how much differently Crossfire performs on a P45 chipset as opposed to an x48. I opted to put this comparison in the video card section because it pertains more to the graphic board handling of the chipsets.
In these times where cheap, powerful cards are the order of the day, many a enthusiast are bound to consider setting up a crossfire rig in order to squeeze that much more fps out of their games. The difference between the chipsets, as you would see, is great. The reason for which is that the X48 maintains 16X electronics on both PCI-E slots when run in crossfire mode while the p45 reverts both slots to 8x mode (8x PCI-E 2.0 or 16X PCI-E 1.1). So, if you're planning to slap those 4850's together, have a good read through this (http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1472/1/page_1_introduction/index.html) first.
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Very interesting read.
SAX!!! TAKE NOTE!!! :)
This article may actually drive your decision now.
The question is: Crossfire or not?
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http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hkepc.com%2Fforum%2Fviewthread.php%3Ftid%3D1007750%26extra%3Dpage%253D1
4870 benchies and info , apparantly it is clocked lower than we expected @ 750mhz core and 3.6ghz (900 GDDR5) RAM.
It scores 3600 in Vantage's extreme benchmark, 3512 GPU score... Considering an 8800ultra or 3870 crossfire scores around 2500 ,its looking good.
http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=11871
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also, check this review out. 4870 lookin like a decent upgrade for me if the price is right!
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.expreview.com%2Ftopic%2F2008-06-24%2F1214282167d9273.html&hl=zh-CN&ie=UTF8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en
Edit: Full review in english here
http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870-and-hd-4850/
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Well, that site gettin it 'hard n veiny' whole day. I can't get through to it yet. Will try later at home.
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Arc...ARC....wa I tell you bout the pr0n references boy hahaha.
Aye. That mc 4870 pwning the gtx260, a card more expensive by $100 and...well...of course its not beating the gtx280, but at $650, who among us is buying one of those anyway? Except mr messiah...(havent seen him around lately have yall?)
I still wanna see how the 1gb model fares against the 512 one and not to mention how much closer it gets to gtx280 hehehehe.
This card is gonna be the best $300 I ever spent on a computer part.
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Well, that site gettin it 'hard n veiny' whole day. I can't get through to it yet. Will try later at home.
ent hoss
i get to read the intro and then try to hit 'a closer look.." page disappear like ah fart in the wind...
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http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=1
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=12185
Official reviews are out , One video card to rule them all! the 4870 solidly beats the GTX260 , and 2 in crossfire easily rape the GTX280 at the same price.
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So, nvidia, you've got a situation where your competitor has a card that is $100 cheaper than your gtx260 and beats it in virtually all benchmarks....soundly. What are you gonna do? Rush out yet another die shrink rather hastily and try to compete? or are you going to complain that ATI is employing unfair business practices and cry about it like a little girl? The way I see it, ATI now has the performance crown in both the low and midrange segments, the two that matters most in terms of where the money to be made is. I cant speak for others, but for a $300 (or less) 4870, they've got my business.
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Took the words right outta my mouth there amigo. :lol:
Truly an awesome achievement by AMD, and for such a stellar price. :awesome:
*considers selling some shiznit* :ko:
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....and they're on sale! (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102748)
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And the GPU Gods spoketh and it was GOOD!
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Oh yes they have (http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/14990)...
*bows in reverence*
So ahm...I guess madd 8800s goin on sale from this week ent?
I shall start the ball rolling on mine.....
8800GT for $1300...who say it? :happy0203:
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8800gts 640 FS...$800
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supposedly PhsX also runs on ATI cards , 3xxx and 4xxx series with a simple driver mod , so there is no reason to get nvidia it seems.....
http://www.dvhardware.net/article28197.html
http://www.ngohq.com/
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Considering the HD line of cards are folding monsters and that there are FAR MORE STREAM PROCESSORS in the DAAMIT hardware than Nvidia, I would be inclined to believe that DAAMIT off the bat could kick Nvidia physics out the windows with ease. Stream processors are general purpose processing units that can perform many different calculations. Basically all the 'graphics' processing power in the HD core could also be used for pure GPGPU work which is things like physics. So I really do see the big deal with doing physics on HD cards, it all politics really.
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If nvidia was a man, i'd choke that man to death for the ultimatest vapourware of the century that is the nvidia f@h client. I mean, two years ago, headlines read that a f@h client for nv cards is "just around the corner". I mean, what could possibly be so hard in coding a folding client for their cards where TWO YEARS later it is still nowhere to be found?. For that reason alone i'd ditch nvidia in a heartbeat for that damn damn sillyness.
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Ati returns, now anyone wanna lend me $300 for a 4870 :D
hummmmmmm I knew there was a reason why the 3870 I ordered back in january got returned for a refund ( other than the fact it was DOA, damn customs broke it ).
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:awesome:
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7900.html (http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7900.html)
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Hmmmm...I wonder how much one of THOSE will go for. If the price is right, (read $550 tops) i'll bite because you KNOW that will wtfpwn a gtx280.
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O_o *considers selling MORE shiznit*
I knew that X2 would kick some ass, but faster than 4870 CF !!? God-DAYUMNNN !!!
Of course it still outside the usual GPU budget, but I guess you actually get what you pay for
this time.
This (http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/15088) should shed a little more light on the pricing issue.
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Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3354)
Techreport (http://techreport.com/articles.x/15105)
I am speechless for now.....
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Impressive indeed. At ~ $550 though, may be a bit over the top for me, especially since my max res is "only" 1680x1024.
LMAO @ "4870x2 providing enough computing power to figure out what omen want"
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i must say, that black is the sexiest thing ATi could ever do, my GODDDDD... that card is a beauty!!! :yay:
As a result, the X2's 1600 total stream processors have a peak computational rate of 2.4 teraflops. That's, erm, considerable—beyond the obvious graphics applications, that's the sort of computing power that may one day enable men to figure out what women want.
THE GODS SMILE UPON US :awesome:
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i would give meh firstborn, and a kidney for one ah that qui...hmmm
that's the sort of computing power that may one day enable men to figure out what women want.
folding @WTMCWomanwant.
programmers start yuh engines....
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Now they just have to deliver a 95W BE Phenom in the 3+ GHz region to match up with it and DAAMIT would be a viable option as a gaming rig and not just the SFF media box arena. Good job on this beast though!!!
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Careful what you wish for W1nny...you just might get it (http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15099). :)
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*smiles*
it looks like the omen has just turned from bad to good....
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ATI holds the crown , for another 6 months.
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Careful what you wish for W1nny...you just might get it (http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15099). :)
Well I wasn't really planning to upgrade until end of year EARLIEST.. maybe Nehalem or at least 45nm Phenom. That aside, Trinitheclueless, those reviews were already posted, thus removed from ur post.
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i'm with W1n... when those new 45nm chips are out and settled, i feel i might upgrade, depending on the cash pot of course..
the 4400+ men shall rise like the phoenix!! lolz
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Found this nifty fix for the fanspeed issue with these new cards. Instructions are as follows:
Make a profile in the CCC after turning on Overdrive and make sure clock and memory settings are correct.
For Vista
Then go to the following location and open the following file for editing "C:\Users\Your Windows ID\AppData\Local\ATI\ACE\Your CCC Profile.XML. The xml file will have the same name as the Catalyst Profile you saved. right click and hit edit.
For XP
Then go to the following location and open the following file for editing "C:\Documents and Settings\Your Windows ID\Local Settings\Application Data\ATI\ACE\Your CCC Profile.XML. The xml file will have the same name as the Catalyst Profile you saved. right click and hit edit.
Now go down the page until you see the following lines in the XML file ...
<Feature name="FanSpeedAlgorithm_0">
<Property name="FanSpeedAlgorithm" value="Automatic" />
</Feature>
<Feature name="FanSpeedRPMTarget_0">
<Property name="Want" value="0" />
</Feature>
<Feature name="FanSpeedPercentTarget_0">
<Property name="Want" value="23" />
Change the "Property name="FanSpeedAlgorithm" value=" from "Automatic" to "Manual"
Then change "Property name="Want" value=" from "23" to your desired fan speed.
Save the file, then reload the Profile you just edited in the CCC. Done.
WOW...I did this (50%) and watched the idle temp plummet from 80C to 49C.
So now I can run my OC with no problems whatsoever. :happy0203:
The only caveat is that you have to remember to re-activate the profile whenever you restart Windows.
I hope AMD fixes this in Catalyst 8.7, but till then, this is the only way to manually lower the core temp.
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Not only that, if you use amd gpu tool to overclock, the fan profile no longer works.
Yea...trust me. Whole night I was digging up in just this.
Point to note, both xp and vista users, you must enable "show hidden files and folders" to gain access to this the configuration file.
At 45% fan rpm, im getting just about 50degrees idle. The only caveat is that it sounds like a freakin turbine now. This will take some getting used to.
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Catalyst 8.7 drivers (http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx) are out.
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Downloading...
Reading on guru3d says that they aren't so hot though. I'll wait a bit before interfering with my betas.
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AMD lurves Physx on Radeon
Gets by with a little help from its friends
By Wily Ferret: Monday, 21 July 2008, 9:44 AM
Click here to find out more!
CONTRARY TO WHAT you may have read around the wibble last week, the folks at DAAMIT are very happy indeed to have Nvidia's Physx standard running on ATI hardware. Mostly.
Whilst the green team has made plenty of hay out of the fact that Nvidia Geforce GPUs can now process physics routines in games like Unreal Tournament 3 (and benchmarks like 3D Mark Vantage), amateur coders have had fun in the past few weeks trying to get the same routines running on AMD hardware - with the full support of Nvidia.
The chaps at NGOHQ.com report that they got both software tools and developer assistance time from Nvidia to help get Physx running on ATI hardware - presumably since Graphzilla considers this not just a marketshare bonus for Physx, but a major kick of sand in the face to Howling Hector, Dodgy Dirk and his crew, who not only couldn't afford to buy Ageia, but can barely afford to buy a sandwich at the moment after losing $2.5bn of its $3.2bn of ATI goodwill.
In a bid to get back some goodwill – albeit rather less than a few billion – ATI has now decided to help the amateur coders do their thang.
"We think that it is great that people continue to use our products in creative ways," Julia Clark, AMD PR manager, told Nordic Hardware.
Well, when we say 'help', what we actually mean is that words of encouragement are forthcoming from AMD, even if no practical help is. Well, you have to start somewhere right? With Nvidia and AMD both supporting Physx, could that mean that Intel's Havok standard gets sidelined?
Not if the Greater Spotted 'zilla has anything to do with it.
It's strange isn't it. AMD is flailing in the CPU whilst there GPUs are cleaning house. Nvidia is flailing in the gpu dept right now and even with the tension Nvidia KNOWS it can't afford to have AMD in the crapper. Otherwise Intel will walk over EVERYONE....
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HIS HD 4870 X2 2GB GDDR5 Video Card Video Review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fm6pp1Gy7Y
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http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/09/10/ati-unveils-radeon-4600-series
Quite lackluster performance IMO. But, that's where the majority of gamers (and money) are.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3405&p=1
lol @ anandtech's "epic fail" comment.
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Well, actually they said its not quite an 'epic fail'. The 4670 plays Crysis quite handily on medium settings at 1280 x 1024,
and that is nothing to scoff at, especially at that price point, but you do get what you pay for. Nothing more.
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Ah boy...just as Nvidia storm out with the GTX260 Core 216, AMD drops the hammer again
with the HD4870 1GB (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3415).
Very nice indeed. More pwnage again. :awesome:
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Yup, I saw that last night... I know now what my next card will be XD
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..just AS I order the 512MB version... AHHHHH!!!
*ponders if to sell off the 512MB as it reach me and get the 1GB version*
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http://arstechnica.com/journals/hardware.ars/2008/10/23/amd-drops-the-cheap-hd-4830-on-budget-gamers (http://arstechnica.com/journals/hardware.ars/2008/10/23/amd-drops-the-cheap-hd-4830-on-budget-gamers)
For the budget minded that want some more power...
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yea i saw this, imagine this card is faster than an 8800gt for so cheap. A pc gamer should be totally happy right now, so many choices, so much power, so little money.
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Great....now what the hell to get...
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This HD4830 will be perfect to stick in my shuttle XPC, else I get the HD 4670
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STEUPSSSSSSS
i going and run fowl yes i fed up upgrade...
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your 8800gt will last you till next year when DX11 comes out , chill.
given time the 4830 will drop to 100 US , at that price it may be the best bang for the buck card available, the performance is within spitting distance of a 4850/9800gtx .
Imagine if you can get 2 of then in crossfire for 200 US ? 9800gx2 performance for cheap.
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AMD admits to some borked ATI Radeon HD 4830s
Not enough streams making their way into the channel
By Sylvie Barak: Monday, 27 October 2008, 10:22 AM
AMD HAS ADMITTED some of its ATI Radeon HD 4830 boards only have only 560 of their advertised 640 stream processors enabled, some even making their way into the channel.
After collecting performance data on the boards, Bit-Tech noticed some of the numbers just weren’t adding up. Apparently, after being fobbed off by AMD a couple of times with lame excuses, with the firm even trying to blame the software used to calculate the number of stream processors, the chipmaker finally came clean and issued a statement about the problem.
AMD admitted that, as well as the sample boards sent to the press for testing, a "limited number" of ATI Radeon HD 4830 boards with a performance impacting pre-production BIOS were also released to market. The firm claims this "limited number" comes to about 400 boards from AMD partner HIS.
"This is in no way hardware related, and an updated BIOS fully resolves the performance limitation," the firm said, adding that any punters who bought an HIS board should get it tested using the GPU-Z utility. If it turns out that less than 640 shaders are actually up and running, AMD recommends users go to the HIS website where they can pick up information on how to download an update for the card's Bios.
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/10/26/confirmed-some-ati-radeon-hd-4830s-are-gimped/1 (http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/10/26/confirmed-some-ati-radeon-hd-4830s-are-gimped/1)
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The 4850X2 cometh: http://www.pchacc.cn/viewthread.php?tid=17524&extra=page%3D1 (http://www.pchacc.cn/viewthread.php?tid=17524&extra=page%3D1)
(http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5431/20081025383c4b1f0c7e7c3co8.th.jpg) (http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20081025383c4b1f0c7e7c3co8.jpg)(http://img65.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
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Hmmm if these cards realy going for $400 according to hardspell, I see one of them in my future.
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And lemme guess the third one will be the 4830X2 lol!!
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well finally some pictures, was thinking of getting one of these for a good while now, but i would never require such gpu mem and power, well at least not now, and 300us is my gpu spending limit honestly.. i'll take something else yes... i think i like green
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At least they had the good sense to put TWO fans on this one...
*grumble*
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Some preliminary benchies.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=0b561e9d14b4cd9b2ad7c5ae71bc8d78&p=3391954#post3391954
Word is that these should become available within 7 days...
So who want a 4870 to buy now?
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MY GOD at that OC... :awesome:
21,000 plus in 3DMark06!!? WTF!!?
As SOON as the price drop to <$350 US, ah buyin one... :)
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lol, yup.. must get dat, is ah 4850x2 yah know.. lol
*must resist spendage, must resist SPENDAGE!!!!*
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MY GOD at that OC... :awesome:
21,000 plus in 3DMark06!!? WTF!!?
As SOON as the price drop to <$350 US, ah buyin one... :)
I eh waiting nah. As soon as it come out on Amazon.............
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As SOON as the price drop to <$350 US, ah buyin one... :)
u trading in your 4870x2 for that?
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HELL no...
Mih next PC could use some X2 lovin though. :happy0203:
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I knew Arcman was not going to step backwards...Man have another PC to upgrade...LOL
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I am certain by now arcman has no liver, no kidneys, 1 lung, 3.5 valves from he heart and only a small intestine.... O_o
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AMD to refresh its design to run at higher clock speeds :
to achieve higher clock speeds, but the approach wasn’t right. All they did back then, was to put batches of RV770 through binning, pick the best performing parts, and use it on premium SKUs with improved cooling. The attempt evidently wasn’t very successful: no AMD partner was able to sell graphics cards that ran stable out of the box, in clock-speeds they set out to achieve: excess of 950 MHz.
A 1GHZ RV770 for 300 US will be a significant jump in performance , plus it will drive the 4870 down in price significantly.
http://www.techpowerup.com/75685/AMD_to_Give_RV770_a_Refresh_G200b_Counterattack_Planned.htm
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So the sweet spot is supposed to be the 4850... but what do you say to 2x4830? you may think... nah... crazy... what if I told you it could best a GTX280? Hmm that might interest you :happy0203:
Here's a quote:
Final thoughts and rating
Oftentimes we've lambasted multi-GPU graphics-card setups as a general waste of money, pointing our readers in the direction of the fastest single-GPU card that their budget allows them to buy.
However, of late, both ATI and NVIDIA have cleaned up their multi-GPU acts, and scaling in popular games is such that adding a second GPU - be it on the PCB itself or via another card - makes implicit sense if the value proposition is just right.
The sub-Ł100 Sapphire Radeon HD 4830 512MB validates this point by providing reasonable high-end gaming performance on its own but practically doubling average framerate when another is added.
Have a read: http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=16300&page=1 (http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=16300&page=1)
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Just a head's up. The new Riva Tuner 2.20 (http://downloads.guru3d.com/RivaTuner-v2.20-download-163.html) is out for download and fully supports the 8.11 catalyst with all the overclocking features and such.
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So the sweet spot is supposed to be the 4850... but what do you say to 2x4830? you may think... nah... crazy... what if I told you it could best a GTX280? Hmm that might interest you :happy0203:
Here's a quote:
Final thoughts and rating
Oftentimes we've lambasted multi-GPU graphics-card setups as a general waste of money, pointing our readers in the direction of the fastest single-GPU card that their budget allows them to buy.
However, of late, both ATI and NVIDIA have cleaned up their multi-GPU acts, and scaling in popular games is such that adding a second GPU - be it on the PCB itself or via another card - makes implicit sense if the value proposition is just right.
The sub-Ł100 Sapphire Radeon HD 4830 512MB validates this point by providing reasonable high-end gaming performance on its own but practically doubling average framerate when another is added.
Have a read: http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=16300&page=1 (http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=16300&page=1)
Now THAT is very surprising. More winnage for AMD on the graphics front.
I wonder how a single 4830 compares to a 8800/9800 GT?
* does research *
I am certain by now arcman has no liver, no kidneys, 1 lung, 3.5 valves from he heart and only a small intestine.... O_o
How yuh know... :laughing7:
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... lies
must be propaganda
still refuses to believe any of this 4870x2 hoopla
damn commy propaganda i tellz j0000!!
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and the Hater-of-the-Year award goes to.....
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sippin on that haterade on cognac
and i like to thank buck nasties mama and yo mamma too
hatehatehatehatehate
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We were told about a new RV775XT core which is essentially a fine tune version of the RV770. However, little information was revealed at this point of time but i can say AMD is concentrating their efforts on RV740 instead. We are speculating AMD has been collecting the higher speed bins over the months to make this card out to compete against GTX285 offering. It looks exactly the same as the GeForce GTX 280 card but comes with 2 x 6-pin power connectors instead of 8+6 pins. We are able to confirm at this point that it has 240 SPs, 512-bit memory and 1GB GDDR3 memories just like the current GTX280. Expreview has provided more insights on the GeForce GTX 285 like 183W TDP and 110% performance boost over GTX280.
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110% performance boost over GTX280.
In games that benefit from SLI they neglected to mention XD
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Remember how I once asked in this very thread 'how a single 4830 compares to a 8800/9800 GT?'
Well, Tom's has answered with a direct comparison (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/4830-radeon-crossfire,2098-2.html) of 2 x HD4830 against 2 x 8800GT.
...and here it is (http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-HD4830-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B001JVNRY0/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1229098069&sr=8-1) on good ol Amazon. Nice price too. Generally cheaper than the 8800GT.
Good for CrossfireX on da cheap (well, kinda).
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I was troubled by that comparison... comparing my 8800GT to a 4830.... *sighs* how far you've fallen my dear XD
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByDM_t0CVDI
DAMN!!! yuh could kill ah man with dat!!!! an overclocker's dream.
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XFX doin Radeons (http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/16067) now. :awesome:
Who woulda thought?
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:lol:
awaits a comment by GATT nvidia spokesman Mr. Crixx
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If you were wondering about extra air cooling for the HD4870 X2, one guy found and ingenious way using Thermalright products:
one V2 VGA cooler on one GPU and a HR-03 Revision A VGA cooler on the other..
http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_page/product_page/vga/hr03reva/faq_vga_cooler_hr03reva.htm#q15
EPIC WIN, I say!!
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Now just LOOK at what shows up (http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-HD4850-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B001KAKT4Q/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1229802988&sr=8-1) on Amazon JUST when I aint got no more money...and for a VERY bess price too.
sssstttteeeeuuuuppppssss :shakehead:
...suddenly I feel 4870 selling-ish.
Who say it? :happy0203:
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^You need to relax yuh damn self that is what lol
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suddenly im very glad i waited for etttt
:banana: :banana: :happy0203: :happy0203:
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^You need to relax yuh damn self that is what lol
:laughing7: whateva mannnn....
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Now just LOOK at what shows up (http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-HD4850-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B001KAKT4Q/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1229802988&sr=8-1) on Amazon JUST when I aint got no more money...and for a VERY bess price too.
sssstttteeeeuuuuppppssss :shakehead:
...suddenly I feel 4870 selling-ish.
Who say it? :happy0203:
aint that a bit late, lol... i still don't like the layout of the card though, but i still wanted one... ahh bleh... gtx260 core 216 ftw..lol
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Just finished some preliminary testing with my new HD4670.
For less than 100 US (http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-HD4670-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B001JP1D5Q/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1231211346&sr=8-2), this card is an absolute steal when you consider its performance.
I ran some preliminary performance numbers with Far Cry 2. Was there ever a time when a card costing
less than 100 US could play a current title on HIGH!!?
All screenies were taken with FRAPs at 1680 x 1050
Medium with no AA
(http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/9022/farcry2mednoaabo5.th.jpg) (http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=farcry2mednoaabo5.jpg)
Medium with 2 x AA
(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/569/farcry2med2xaaik1.th.jpg) (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=farcry2med2xaaik1.jpg)
High with no AA
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5665/farcry2highnoaavb0.th.jpg) (http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=farcry2highnoaavb0.jpg)
High with 2 x AA
(http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/7999/farcry2high2xaauh6.th.jpg) (http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=farcry2high2xaauh6.jpg)
Using the benchmark tool
All settings on high at 1680 x 1050 with Vsync disabled, and AI enabled.
Average framerate after 3 loops:
With no AA
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1686/capture152009224336nh8.jpg)
With 2 x AA
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7186/capture152009222301wb6.jpg)
I'll run some more tests with Race Driver GRiD which is rather punishing on GPUs as well.
Considering these tests were run at 1680 x 1050, I would say this card is quite a performer.
At lower resolutions, like 1280 x 1024, expect to see quite a jump in framerate.
...oh, and did I say this card is *Arcman Approved* :icon_thumleft: ?
So now AMD owns this price point as well.
Just out of curiousity, I had to run a benchmark.
System specs are as follows:
Asus M2A-VM motherboard
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ @ 3GHz
2 x 1GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR2-800
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD4670 1GB
(http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/2261/capture152009221416yt2.th.jpg) (http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture152009221416yt2.jpg)
Quite a respectable result, considering the platform used for testing. Of course the result
would be higher in an Intel Core 2 Duo rig. This card is highly recommended if one's hardware budget
is severely constrained. Just expect to have to turn down the image quality options when the resolution goes up,
but this card 'should' be able to handle most current games at 1280 x 1024, on medium to high settings, with 2 x AA
(depending on the title of course).
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Arc, could you run the FC2 bench @ 1280x1024 and see what kind of framerates you achieve at high settings?
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I'm sure he'd love to, but I'm borrowing that card today for some testing of my own. I guess I will be the one to do it, under his guidance...
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Well, the test rig is all setup already, so as soon as I get it back from Sax I can run it.
You interested in getting one or what? This is great for a 'gaming HTPC'.
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hmm that's a pretty decent card...
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Dread... who want a GTX295 @ 500USD when you can get a HD4850X2 for 300 O_O
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102809 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102809)
(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7215/4850x2sw2.th.png) (http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4850x2sw2.png)
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Dread... who want a GTX295 @ 500USD when you can get a HD4850X2 for 300 O_O
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102809 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102809)
(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7215/4850x2sw2.th.png) (http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4850x2sw2.png)
the people that don't give a damn and want the best of the best...lol
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There he goes quoting Newegg again... :(
* sigh *
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ay that card supposed to be like $399.99 usd wtf ? how can they be competitive with that price lol....and what Philo said
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The GTX295 outperforms the 4870x2. You think the 4850x2 is gonna fear any better?
And what's wrong with quoting Newegg prices?
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ay that card supposed to be like $399.99 usd wtf ? how can they be competitive with that price lol....and what Philo said
they are being competitive by having a better card than the 4870x2 for 20 dollars cheaper than the x2 (with goodzor drivers to boot)
and who wants the 295? i do
if quad sli was working toppers out the box on the card
id buy 2
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There he goes quoting Newegg again... :(
* sigh *
I quote it cause it's who I order parts from :) that aside, I was merely pointing out that the price performance ratio can't be beat. In these times of economic woes what do you think will sell better? mainstream or 'halo' products? those who want the best buy the best, the BULK OF profits is in the middle and low :p
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http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16185 ATI launches moblity 4000 series cards :D ,
I plan to get one of these laptops equipped with them : http://usa.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=13988 , should be faster than my aging desktop x1800xt
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I quote it cause it's who I order parts from :)
...and just HOW do you purchase from Newegg?
Do tell...
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I order from them all the time. Back to the good old days. Mail cheques!
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I order from them all the time. Back to the good old days. Mail cheques!
Ahhhh, the good old days before Credit Cards! LOL Old School Banking FTW!!
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lol....ent also there are certain previleged individuals who own or know some one with an international credit card or an international business visa card, yea i know a guy who knows a guy....
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Money orders... ole school stuff meng
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is a 4830 a viable upgrade from an 8800GT... if only to just stay current with hardware ? or a 4850 will provide a better p/p ratio
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^^ oh hell yes... and at US$150!
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^^ oh hell yes... and at US$150!
HD4850 just in case you were wondering. Now consider you can get a 512MB HD4870 for 180USD... hmmm....
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but i'd rather pay around $225 for the 1 GB version... thet 512 just isne enoug for the buffer sometimes but hell.... does that matter when gaming @ 1024*768 ??
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Memory size > 512 doesn't matter unless you're hitting 1600x1200 MINIMUM. If you are gaming @ 1024x768 or even 1280x1024 you're not gonna need more than 512MB. That being said if the man was looking at a 4830 the jump in price to the 1GB 4870 would be TREMENDOUS.... 30USD vs 100+USD...
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You should not be looking at anything less than a 4870 512, especially at those prices.
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hrmm it seems i should get a bigger monitor first lol.... running a 17' CRT AOC for now lol hopefully i'll get a new one by summer 22' prolly
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ATI's 4750 video card preview :
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-4750-rv740-review-preview-test/1
Sporting 640 stream processors and 512mb of GDDR5 (128bit) on a 40nm process.
Basically 4850/9800gtx performance for 100US flat .
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Actually it's not an official card yet. It was an engineering sample and as such clockspeeds, etc aren't finalized. It performs between a 4830 and 4850. Which is a weird place to be. MY guess is with a fwe more tweaks, they can get this card to perform identical to the 4850 and just rebrand it as the new 4850, but because of the smaller 40nm die, it would cost less to make. But hey it could end up being a 4750... though then why does it outperform a 4-8-30?
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it will be nice for my shuttle...
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'Oh lawd...Carnival come agaiiin' - Benjai
More price cuts (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=14433) iwmc yes. You realllly gotta love AMD for their price/performance stance.
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yessss thats it... keeep lowering your price ^_^ good daamit run your self into the ground
the king approves ^_^
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soon another 8800 GT will be for sale
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check this lovely piece of fagittry
http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-HD4870-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B001L1RZ00/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=pc&qid=1235662581&sr=1-1
that card was 170USD yesterday, i done eying it for meh upgrade
they ramp it before the drop
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lol well what do ya expect.... is amazon
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Isn't competition lovely :icon_pirat:
(http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/732/4870.th.jpg) (http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4870.jpg)
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...like a blow job for remembering what day it is...
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check this lovely piece of fagittry
http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-HD4870-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B001L1RZ00/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=pc&qid=1235662581&sr=1-1
that card was 170USD yesterday, i done eying it for meh upgrade
they ramp it before the drop
Steups...and I got that same card for $197 US two weeks ago, and was boastin.
I'm happy for the price cuts, but 'DAAMIT' at the bloody TIMING man...
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the cuts seem to be occurring across the board for the e-tailers now, newegg have drops and that sweet piece of ass Sapphire card drop to 175USD more or less...mmmmm smexxyyy....
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Good thing I dont even remember how much I paid for mine around launch date.
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which reminds me, would a dual core processor bottle neck that card?
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check this lovely piece of fagittry
http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-HD4870-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B001L1RZ00/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=pc&qid=1235662581&sr=1-1
that card was 170USD yesterday, i done eying it for meh upgrade
they ramp it before the drop
Steups...and I got that same card for $197 US two weeks ago, and was boastin.
I'm happy for the price cuts, but 'DAAMIT' at the bloody TIMING man...
Yo Arcman if you bought the card from amazon there is a hidden 30day price guarantee, they are eligible to pay you the difference of the reduced price. Check this link to read all about it http://www.slate.com/id/2156900.
if you thinking because you have to dial the 1-800 number just install skype and call them, since skype will connect you to toll-free numbers for free.
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Yo Arcman if you bought the card from amazon there is a hidden 30day price guarantee, they are eligible to pay you the difference of the reduced price. Check this link to read all about it http://www.slate.com/id/2156900.
That was discontinued September last year. I used to use it.
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evga has their trade up program that does the same thing + better
yay nvidia ^_^
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The 1GB version of that Sapphire is a sweet 179.99us my my CLICK HERE!! (http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-HD4870-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B001J6FS3I/ref=pd_cp_pc_1?pf_rd_p=413863501&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B001L1RZ00&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0T6PQFTJKZYDYXJJTG77)
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http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-HD4870-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B001L1RZ00/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=pc&qid=1235662581&sr=1-1
the 512 version went down to 155USD
fk me!
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Son of a B!#CH!!! If only I had waited just two stinking weeks eh...
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Son of a B!#CH!!! If only I had waited just two stinking weeks eh...
ahh if anyone here has ever seen red vs blue then you'd see the signature remark here heheh
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Need to highlight a very depressing issue here about the 4870X2, and Crossfire in general....
So AMD now has a 1 month driver release schedule, and the Catalyst version is currently up to 9.2,
however, I have not been able to use a new driver since 8.11, which was THREE driver revisions ago.
Reason being that I get a 'incompatible display adapter has been disabled' error when Windows Vista
restarts, which results in one of the card's GPUs actually being disabled. This has been happening since
Catalyst 8.12, and judging by the posts on AMD's very own forums (http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=279&threadid=109186&enterthread=y), this is not an isolated incident.
I have tried all the the software voodoo I can think of to get the new driver to work properly, but no dice,
so I'm effectively 'stuck' at 8.11 until AMD's driver team can get their act together. In the meantime,
I cannot benefit from whatever gaming enhancements that would have been provided in these newer
driver versions. This is totally unacceptable. I cannot believe, that after three months, AMD still
hasn't resolved this...
Way to go AMD...your driver support is really 'great'.
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^^sell and get gtx 295??? >_>
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I considered that, but the price difference is too great. I'd have to sell quite a few things to make up the 550 US.
That price is a little out of reach for me, who is used to buying 300-dollar cards.
I'm giving AMD a chance to fix this. Its not like I can't use it as is, but I really need to be able to run
the current drivers too, or else, what's the point?
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Dont worry arc
DAAMITS coding team HARD at work ^_^
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that's harsh man but nvi's got a simmilar team too...
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doh come with that nvidia team have commodor 64's :P
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bulls***^^*
utter rubbish Kraeoss, Nvidias driver team is epic, they frequently rely on the awesomeness of their drivers to make up in any perceived lapse in physical power their cards have.
give credit where credit is due
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Hmm and how long was Tri-SLI broken? hmm or for that matter how many times has Nvidia RE-BRANDED the 8800GT?... or what about those chip failures... i'd have to say that Nvidia would have to have the same team developing their hardware as they Crixx says AMD has writing drivers :p
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lol well i did say drivers make up for perceived hardware issues
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Its amazing how a company could take a piece of tired dying tech two and a half years old, spin the hell out of it and try to make it look like the best shit in the world. If they had engineers as good as their marketers, we would have had even stiffer competish now.
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Actually, the problem was 'fixed' when I reinstalled Vista on my new i7 setup.
Something in that previous installation kept 'breaking' Catalyst, so I guess AMD is not
totally to blame.
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Actually, the problem was 'fixed' when I reinstalled Vista on my new i7 setup.
Something in that previous installation kept 'breaking' Catalyst, so I guess AMD is not
totally to blame.
Sounds like you had an electrical problem... perhaps some Arc-ing in the line XD.... blaming AMD tsk tsk lol
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4890 anyone?
http://forum.novatech.co.uk/showthread.php?t=8107&page=4 (http://forum.novatech.co.uk/showthread.php?t=8107&page=4)
ATI's 4890 "mysteriously" tips up in forum benchmarking
Cat leaves bag
By Sylvie Barak
Thursday, 26 March 2009, 13:22
WE RECENTLY DISCOVERED an interesting thread over at the Novatech forums concerning a "mysterious card" with some impressive benchmarks and exciting overclocking capabilities.
Gibbo, a Novatech forum admin, posted that he had been playing around with the card, and for good measure, and your esteemed viewing pleasure, decided to post a few benchmark results from it.
Gibbo notes his system specs are nothing special, with his Intel Kentsfield Quad Core at 3.20GHz, Abit IP35 Pro Mainboard, 3GB 800MHz DDR2 Memory, 4x Samsung SSD 32GB SLC, and Windows 7 64-Bit BETA (with Catalyst 9.3 Drivers) and Windows Vista Ultimate 64-Bit (with supplied Drivers). No Core I7 processor, no DDR3 memory or crazy overclock, so, he warns, if you think the benchmarks don't look that great, bear the system specs in mind.
The first benchmark, from a 4870 512MB and "mysterious card" (at 750MHz / 3600MHz -Windows 7 - Catalyst 9.3), give the following 3DMark06 results:
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7626/nova1.th.jpg) (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nova1.jpg)
For 3DMark Vantage, Gibbo got the following:
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4430/nova2.th.jpg) (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nova2.jpg)
When the mystery card was run at stock speeds (Windows Vista 64-Bit - Supplied Drivers), the following results from 3DMark06 and 3DMark Vantage were attained:
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9594/nova3.th.jpg) (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nova3.jpg)
Noting "my god does it overclock well", Gibbo then proceeded to post benchmarks from the mystery card at overclocked speeds:
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6886/nova4c.th.jpg) (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nova4c.jpg)
And then again at overclocked speeds with a few tweaks and a bit of CPU overclocking to boot (CPU overclocked to 3.5GHz via increasing FSB to 438MHz):
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4569/nova5.th.jpg) (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nova5.jpg)
Gibbo states the obvious when he notes the card seems to greatly benefit from being overclocked, stating "infact when overclocked this card is approx 30 per cent faster that a 4870 512mb graphics card, which is quite an accomplishment." Indeed.
The card's cooling performance is apparently also pretty impressive and noise levels are purportedly "very good".
Novatech holds "plenty of stock of this new mysterious card ready for launch".
We're really not sure what this "mystery" lark is all about! It seems fairly clear to us that with ATI bringing forward the release date of its 4890 from April 9th to April 2nd, there must be plenty of stocks available. It's also already on sale in Taiwan and Hong Kong for around HK$2,280. UK retail price is expected to be around Ł230.
It's hardly going to be the GTX275 (Nvidia's cut-in-half and rebranded 295) which was aimed for release on April 6th but has now been pushed back until at least April 14th, we hear. µ
Click here to find out more!
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not bad for like 250 usd given amd/ati habitual price drops it's gon be somwhere around 200 by q3
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And AMD breathed life into the HD 4770 and it was good...
http://vr-zone.com/forums/418725/hd-4770-rv740-performance-and-price.html (http://vr-zone.com/forums/418725/hd-4770-rv740-performance-and-price.html)
Some screenies:
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9644/2009041401393501.jpg) (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2009041401393501.jpg)
Yup, first 40nm GPU
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6568/2009041401393521.th.jpg) (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2009041401393521.jpg)
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9619/2009041401393541.th.jpg) (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2009041401393541.jpg)
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My GOD!!! I really have to sing AMD's praises for that one.
All that muthafludpuckin performance for NINETY-NINE US DOLLARS!!! :awesome:
...AND its at 40 nm...AND its GDDR5!!!
Isn't competition lovely?
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lol @ innovation vs rebranding. How...apt...
Even though this new part has half the memory bus of the 4850, I can see it meeting up to the 4850 in some games with some overclocking, and I am pretty sure its going to be one hell of an overclocker.
Exciting times ahead indeed.
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now why the fcuk AMD don't do this with their cpu's... man i wanna see those cpu price drop like fly in sheltox yo... jah... but nice looking card. if they could shrink the process of the 4890 and make an X2 of that, it would surely be epic win... but who cares, GRAPHEEEX BE CHEEEPZZZ SON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well DAAMIT has a habit of testing the smaller process waters with the lower-mid range cards. They've done it since the X series I believe. I would venture a look into the proverbial crystal ball and say expect shrinks of all their cards coming. And once the process is tweaked and running like a well tuned Mines R34 GTR VSpec-II they'll intro the HD5xxx series on 40nm and take some more EPIC WIN
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excellent analysis. They have been on the 55nm train since the hd38xx series and perfected it with the 48xx series.
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Check this slide...
http://img701.photo.wangyou.com/2009/04/14/76887/20090414013935_8_1.jpg (http://img701.photo.wangyou.com/2009/04/14/76887/20090414013935_8_1.jpg)
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W1ntry already beat you to it a few posts back, but still, that was a low blow there from AMD.
What I'm wondering, is how two of these would fare in CrossfireX.....
* Wonders why he didn't buy the EP45T-UD3P instead *
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hehe planning on getting that instead of i7, ddr3 platform on the cheap
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lol at old card new sticker.
but if walks like a duck quacks like a duck and looks like a duck then it must be g92...
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#1058 - HIS HD 4890 Turbo 1GB Video Card Video Review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsqTFHekK3Q#ws-lq-lq2-hq-vhq-hd)
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http://www.nordichardware.com/news,9111.html (http://www.nordichardware.com/news,9111.html)
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,9081.html (http://www.nordichardware.com/news,9081.html)
Ati's 4770 matches the 4850 in most games , i'd imagine it could beat it at lower resolutions . for 99 US its a steal of a deal , Crossfiring two of them would be epic.
Release is sometime in early may
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hey is this a good upgrade from an 8800 GT ? sc ed 512 ddr3 ?
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Consider the price of a 4870 has fallen as low as 179USD it makes little sense to buy a 4850 @ 130-150USD, thus the 4770 @ 100USD as a replacement for the 4850 without dropping the price of the 4850 makes sense. The 4850 is an 4870 with slower memory. But with the 512 4870 falling into the 150USD range I suspect a phase out of the 4850 is eminent. Also consider how is the competition going to deal with it? the 4850 competes with the GTS250 but the 4870 blows that out of the water. So eliminating the 4850 by producing a cheaper part (remember its the world's first 40nm part) means the GTS250 will compete with the 4870 and the 9800 will compete with the 4770 but it will force the 9800 down. Isn't AMD great XD... I read that the 4770 is launching tomorrow actually XD..
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/4/21/worlds-first-40nm-cards-tip-up-ati-4770-ships2c-launch-on-thursday.aspx (http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/4/21/worlds-first-40nm-cards-tip-up-ati-4770-ships2c-launch-on-thursday.aspx)
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so in actuallity it is a good upgrade then...
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Depends on what you upgrading from. I have a 8800GT so to me unless I getting 2x the performance, it's not worth my while. In terms of upgrades of GPUs it's usually suggested that you go for a card that is 2 gerenations (at least) after your current. So in my case:
8800GT=HD3xxx && 8800GT<=9800GT<=GTS250==HD4850 Thus I would have to go at LEAST 4870 (1GB) or GTX260. But if I follow the 2 gen difference, i'd go with HD5xxx
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http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,10790.msg209611.html#msg209611 (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,10790.msg209611.html#msg209611)
Best Gaming Cards for the Money - Tom's Hardware
Direct link - April Edition (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-gtx,2270.html)
In the conclusion it basically says that same thing (but with a cool table to summarize)
Don’t make sense upgrading your graphics card unless the replacement card is at least three tiers higher
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Epic winzage from ATI at <100 US again. I plan on getting two of these to run in CrossfireX,
in conjunction with a X3 720 BE.
I am really liking ATI this rounds. If only they could come up with a CPU to return us to the
glory days of the Athlon 64.
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4770 review out http://en.expreview.com/2009/04/24/first-review-of-radeon-hd-4770-99-monster.html (http://en.expreview.com/2009/04/24/first-review-of-radeon-hd-4770-99-monster.html) (site refuses to load for me so till used a proxy)
Its 5-10% slower than the 4850 and gts 250 for 30-50 US less , with lower power consumption and heat.
It also overclocks easily straight to from 750mhz core to 900mhz , giving it amazing value.
I'm looking to get myself one after exams .
The die size of this is only 144mm2 with 640 stream processors on this 40nm process
, that means ATI's HD 5800 series can squeeze around 1280 stream processors for 288mm2 and sell them at the same price as the 4870/4850 in 6 months time.
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HD5xxx can't come fast enough. Product cycle is year end... so nothing new till at least Oct I would recon.
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What can the new AMD HD4890 do? how does match a GTx 285 sound? :awesome:
Oh and its $100USD cheaper
Final Words
All but two.
That's how many benchmarks in which our 1GHz/1.2GHz (core/mem) Radeon HD 4890 lead the stock NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285. That's nothing to sneeze at. Certainly it doesn't mean that the 4890 is faster or better than the GTX 285, especially because the GTX 285 can be overclocked as well to improve performance. What this does mean is that for about $100 less we have the potential to achieve the stock performance of NVIDIA's flagship single GPU part with a highly overclocked AMD GPU. From an end user value perspective, that extra $100 is there to ensure you get at least the performance of the GTX 285 along with any potential overclocking benefits you might have from the higher end part. There is still reason to buy the GTX 285 if you need even more power. But this is quite intriguing from an architectural perspective.
These tests show that there is the potential for a 959 Million transistor AMD GPU to consistently outperform a 1.4 Billion transistor NVIDIA GPU in the same power envelope at 55nm with similar memory bandwidth.
Yields and business being what they are, it doesn't make sense for AMD to push out a part at the extreme clock speeds we tested. But from an engineering standpoint, even with the smaller die, less is more, multiGPU at the top end strategy, AMD has built a part that can (when overclocked) best the stock performance of top of the line NVIDIA hardware designed to pack as much power into a single GPU as possible.
And that seems pretty significant.
At the same time, while we don't have any solid standardized OpenCL tests to run as of yet, it appears from some limited applications like folding@home and others that NVIDIA's approach may be better suited to GPU computing or more general purpose or flexible applications beyond gaming. We can't really confirm this theory yet, as there isn't a wide enough range of GPU computing applications, but it might not be that NVIDIA has been pushing CUDA so hard because they know it to be an advantage, not just in terms of software support and a feature check box, but in terms of a fundamental performance or architectural edge for these algorithms. The architectural path NVIDIA has chosen may well prove useful when DX11 hits and we see a further push away from DX9 towards really deep programmability and flexibility. Only time will tell on that front, though.
In the meantime, NVIDIA's margins are much tighter on their larger GPUs and now their single GPU performance advantage has started to erode. It seems the wonders of the RV7xx series have yet to exhaust themselves. Competition is indeed a wonderful thing, and we can't wait to see what comes out of the upcoming DX11 hardware battle.
For now, at resolutions below 2560x1600, the Radeon HD 4890 has the advantage. At 2560x1600, the lines become a little more blurry. For stock hardware the GTX 285 is still the fastest thing around in most cases. But if you want to take your chances with overclocking, 30" gaming on a single AMD GPU just got a lot more potentially attractive.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3555&p=1 (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3555&p=1)
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-4770-crossfire,2288.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-4770-crossfire,2288.html)
nice little read, men with xfire boards takes notes
...a pair of 4770s is able to oust the Radeon HD 4890. Moreover, the 4770s use less power under load, run cooler, and, if our samples were any indication, overclock like mad. Need I even mention the two cards keeping pace with the GTX 280—a $305+ board?
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I was beginning to think about the 4770. Buy one now, buy another in a 2 months... but i'll wait.... good stuff though!
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Wow, 2 x 4770 in xfire beating a 4890!?!?!
Hmm, considers... buy two now, and chill until next gen.
2 cards @ US$218
1 card @ US$259
the two cards, for ~US$40 less, beating the one card... so I guess my next item on WishList is 2 x 4770
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Wow, 2 x 4770 in SLI xfire beating a 4890!?!?!
think you means xfire :P
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woops, my bad, fixed and noted.
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Hmm seems my card still putting in a decent position :awesome:
The Radeon HD 4850 X2 is essentially two Radeon HD 4850s in CrossFire mode on a single card, and it will beat the similarly priced GeForce GTX 280 hands-down. It will even put the hurt on the new, more expensive GeForce GTX 285.
I think ill do them benchmarks today oui....
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-4770-crossfire,2288.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-4770-crossfire,2288.html)
nice little read, men with xfire boards takes notes
...a pair of 4770s is able to oust the Radeon HD 4890. Moreover, the 4770s use less power under load, run cooler, and, if our samples were any indication, overclock like mad. Need I even mention the two cards keeping pace with the GTX 280—a $305+ board?
Just read that article. I was mightiliy shocked by the results.
Its interesting that ATI has kinda shot itself in the foot with respect to
the 4830, and nearly did so with the 4890.
The fact that two of these cards, together, cost less than a GTX 275,
and perform JUST AS FAST is even MORE shocking. :awesome:
It would seem that 2 x HD4770 is 'de flick'.
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Just read that article. I was mightiliy shocked by the results.
Its interesting that ATI has kinda shot itself in the foot with respect to
the 4830, and nearly did so with the 4890.
The fact that two of these cards, together, cost less than a GTX 275,
and perform JUST AS FAST is even MORE shocking. :awesome:
It would seem that 2 x HD4770 is 'de flick'.
it's all bout price point
and 2 x HD4770 cost more than a 4890 and GTX 275,
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Just read that article. I was mightiliy shocked by the results.
Its interesting that ATI has kinda shot itself in the foot with respect to
the 4830, and nearly did so with the 4890.
The fact that two of these cards, together, cost less than a GTX 275,
and perform JUST AS FAST is even MORE shocking. :awesome:
It would seem that 2 x HD4770 is 'de flick'.
it's all bout price point
and 2 x HD4770 cost more than a 4890 and GTX 275,
dude show us your awesome calculations that prove the statement you just made ???
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don't forget power consumption + heat output
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sorry you right i type 4890 and gtx 275 but was thinking 4870 and gtx 260 prices @ $180-$190
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Arc, ATI did NOT shoot themselves in the foot. Recall the 4830 is built using the same GPU as the more expensive kin 4850 and 4870. You pointed out that ppl should read the article and indeed in that said article it is mentioned that mainstream parts that are derivative of their flagship brethren are the logical step in the evolution of the product that lowers cost. The 4770 is cheaper to make than the 4830 and performs as good as and better. Thus expect the 4830 to be phased out. THe 4830 was created to fill the gap that Nvidia was filling with the 9800 but now DAAMIT has an even better part with a lower nm tech so think of it this way they kill 2 birds with 1 stone:
1. Decrease production costs (in 2 ways, more GPUs per wafer AND no longer needing to manufacture DUMBED down 4850s)
2. Proof test the 40nm tech -> inherently we'll see the benefits of this in the HD5xxx or optimized versions with lower power consumption of the HD4xxx.
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Simma down W1n...notice I said 'kinda'.
don't forget power consumption + heat output
Yes...that too. Its amazing that the power/heat of the two cards are lower than
all the single cards at full load. More points for ATI there.
Of course, it goes without saying that I'll be getting two of these. :happy0203:
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and probably before anyone else on the site....
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Of course, it goes without saying that I'll be getting two of these. :happy0203:
Arc... you have access to future artificial organ technology or something? cause I sure all your internal organs were sold at LEAST a year ago.. O_O *W1nTry starts to think about vandalized cctv and where arc living...* hmm...
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LOL...nah. I need to get my paws on a 710/720 BE first.
All in due time.
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LOL...nah. I need to get my paws on a 710/720 BE first.
All in due time.
if the price is right it can be yours XD now for now
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hrmm like somebody planning on a 955
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Arcman RAM: 6 x 2GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3-1333 ?? OMG
sorry 4 going off topic
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:happy0203:
I was wondering when someone would notice. I took advantage of cheap-ass DDR3 prices.
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amazingly ddr3 1800 is almost really cheap for 6 gb less than 100 usd in some places
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amazingly ddr3 1800 is almost really cheap for 6 gb less than 100 usd in some places
Feh... who needs DDR3 1800 when you have DDR3 2000 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227310)
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amazingly ddr3 1800 is almost really cheap for 6 gb less than 100 usd in some places
Feh... who needs DDR3 1800 when you have DDR3 2000 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227310)
DDR3 1800 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227417) triple channel
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Nice, but utterly useless to someone without a Core i7 which is 99.9% of this forum XD
Oh btw, more in line with this thread, Great is DAAMIT:
ATI cuts graphics prices
Something over the weekend
By Charlie Demerjian
Tuesday, 5 May 2009, 20:00
OVER THE WEEKEND, we heard rumors that ATI was going to drop the price on a few parts by an average of 12-18 per cent. A quick check on several etail sites shows that the 4770 dropped ~$10 in a day from most vendors.
We think a few other cards did drop, or will soon, but tracking prices at etailers is much akin to herding cats. In any case, the HD 4770 is now a $89-99 card instead of a $99-109 card - one that has no real competition in the marketplace.
Until the currently MIA NV 40nm desktop parts come out, the only thing they can fight back with is the much more expensive G92b die. That part barely does not keep up with the 4770 until you get into the higher SKUs with much more memory, and more expensive memory at that. µ
And in case you doubt... how does a 90USD HD4850 sound? (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127414&cm_sp=DailyDeal-_-14-127-414-_-Product) XD
And just for reference:
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7122/485090usd.th.jpg) (http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=485090usd.jpg)
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i dont think we can get a rebates so i think that 90 usd card is pretty much out of the way
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i dont think we can get a rebates so i think that 90 usd card is pretty much out of the way
Dude it's 110USD without rebate... even with tax and shipping that is in the 1500TT range tops
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i dont think we can get a rebates so i think that 90 usd card is pretty much out of the way
Dude it's 110USD without rebate... even with tax and shipping that is in the 1500TT range tops
if someone wanted me to order that card off new egg it would cost 1000 - 1100TT
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Still the 4770 just a bit better than the 4850. Seen an Asus model which can oc to 900MHz core/4.3ghz memory too.
4770 FTW!
(Waiting for dual slot cooler version though)
dual slot cooling would cool for Oc'ing
but i would like to see a 1G version
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It would take a decent overclock for the 4770 to best the 4850 O/C. THen consider you should be able to OC the 4850 a bit too.
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i wonder if HD4770 in 3way crossfire would be faster than a GTX 285
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i wonder if HD4770 in 3way crossfire would be faster than a GTX 285
That's an interesting question. I too would like to see how three of these would scale.
You would need one of those kickazz 790FX/GX boards to run that config though.
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I'm hearing precious little in terms of a new generation of parts from ATI though. I hope that they dont fall into the re-spinning syndrome that Nvidia has been on last couple of years...although things in the Nvidia camp (http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1052025/gt300-delayed-till-2010) aint looking so rosy either...
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i wonder if HD4770 in 3way crossfire would be faster than a GTX 285
That's an interesting question. I too would like to see how three of these would scale.
You would need one of those kickazz 790FX/GX boards to run that config though.
Time to order and test it out guys who what
Wa_DoDem - beers and rum
Arcman - 4-6GB DDR3-1333
Hard O/C - 1 HD 4770
W1nTry - CPU
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i wonder if HD4770 in 3way crossfire would be faster than a GTX 285
That's an interesting question. I too would like to see how three of these would scale.
You would need one of those kickazz 790FX/GX boards to run that config though.
Time to order and test it out guys who what
Wa_DoDem - beers and rum
Arcman - 4-6GB DDR3-1333
Hard O/C - 1 HD 4770
W1nTry - CPU
indeed 2 are = GTX 260/275 area
so yea 3 may just beat the 285 but after 2 kinda loses the point tri xfire really dont make sense except on 30"+ screens
oh yea whos got a 30 inch monitor
awesome ?
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I got a 28" LCD
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AMD has hit another megahertz milestone record today.
ZoomAMD boasted today that it has delivered the world’s first 1 GHz GPU. Is this a new product? Not exactly.
What AMD has done is that it has taken an ATI Radeon HD 4890 graphics card, which normally runs at 850 MHz, and overclocked it to 1 GHz at the factory – air cooled – and voila, you have yourself the world’s first shipping 1 GHz GPU part.
In fact, if you had your own Radeon HD 4890, you might be able to reach 1 GHz too. Of course, AMD does have the advantage of binning parts to make sure that those with the most headroom get separated for this new SKU.
The flip side of that equation also means that any GPUs that aren’t able to hit the 1 GHz mark on just air cooling will be relegated to just the old “regular” pile, which will cap speeds at which the Radeon HD 4890 will run.
Look out for these juiced up video cards from Asus, Club 3D, Diamond Multimedia, Force3D, Gecube, Gigabyte, HIS (Hightech Information Systems), ITC, Jetway, MSI, Palit Multimedia, PowerColor, Sapphire Technology and XFX.
Stay tuned for our hands on with one of these cards where we'll put it up against a 'vanilla' reference board.
Interestingly enough, this is the second time that AMD has beat an arch rival to the 1 GHz milestone. Back in 2000, AMD beat Intel to the 1 GHz punch with its Athlon. Remember that? Take a trip with us down memory lane as we look back on Chris Angelini’s review of the AMD Athlon 1 GHz during his more innocent and much younger days.
Source : Tom's Hardware US
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I just installed a Sapphire 4770 as of today , i only tested fallout 3 and Left 4 dead so far, but performance was more than adequate , running everything with 2xaa at the highest settings/res.
Temperatures never cross 60 at load , unlike my x1800xt that used to go up to 70 with a much bigger dual slot cooler.
Th
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Radeon HD 4730 surfaces
Radeon HD 4730 surfaces
By Hilbert Hagedoorn, May 21, 2009 - 8:19 PM
Well that didn't take long. It is reported that AMD is planning to release a new 55nm RV770 based graphics card, the Radeon HD 4730. This part is basically a cut down down version of the Radeon HD 4830 with 512MB GDDR5 memory.
The Radeon HD 4730 is an attempt to ease the supply problems of the popular Radeon HD 4770.
The thing is, this card isn't based on the 40nm RV740 part but the 55nm RV770. In fact, it is a strip down version of the HD 4830 (RV770LE) codenamed RV770CE but boosted with GDDR5 memories. However, you may not be seeing mass availability as it is only available in limited quantities for certain regions whose HD 4830 stocks have ran dry.
www.guru3d.com (http://) (http://)
Check out the picture.
http://tinyurl.com/on9ff2 (http://tinyurl.com/on9ff2)
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Arc, no problems with 12gigs on the board? Heard some pple had issues filling all 6 slots.
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http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/14197/1/ (http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/14197/1/)
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/17054 (http://techreport.com/discussions.x/17054)
prices dropping againz. 4890 looks to be about 180-200USD soon, XFX have the cheapest card on newegg (1GB 4870 wise) @ 150USD expect amazon to follow suit with a drops too.
if yuh plan to go xfire and such well things just got cheaperz
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yea an overall $50 buck drop is quite appealing eh...
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Too bad mih LAN rig didn't have a CrossfireX mobo eh... :)
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Yeah I was seeing these drops this morning DAAMIT FTMFW!!!
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FINALLY Asus is bringing a 'proper' HD4770 to the masses...
The Formula Series HD4770 (http://en.expreview.com/2009/06/15/asus-works-on-a-cool-looking-radeon-hd-4770.html)
(http://en.expreview.com/img/2009/06/15/asus_4770_01.jpg)
After AMD set we up with the press pics, and then release all 4770s with that P-O-S cooler
that they're now sporting.
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What I REALLY want is a NON-reference HD 4890!!!
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meh i think i'll get either a 4890 or a 4870x2 whoever is better per $$
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What I REALLY want is a NON-reference HD 4890!!!
check sapphire
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Nope, noone has a NON-REFERENCE COOLER based HD4890
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http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_hd4890_toxic_vaporx/2.htm (http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_hd4890_toxic_vaporx/2.htm)
not released yet winny, soon though, the review is not really all that old
looks like the same cooler on the 4870
(http://www.overclockersclub.com/siteimages/articles/sapphire_hd4890_toxic_vaporx/8a_thumb.jpg)
teh sex
as for me the appeal of xfire is very very tempting. but i make a vows...if i cant run mw2 @ 60fps with full sex enabled then i will upgrade if it running i will stay.
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Hmm I think the fan on that sex is larger than on the 4870... and I am not seeing the heat pipes at the top side of the card.. interesting. Either way I sure i'll not partake of any new video hardware till the HD5xxx is out XD
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the are there the link will take you to some higher res images too if you cant get to it cuz of proxy or sym leh meh know i will imbed them here
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Same cooler, same fan as the 4870. I have one of those Sapphire 4870s.
The 4890 is physically identical to the 4870 (at least the PCB dimensions)
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4879? Have I been living under a rock?
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4879? Have I been living under a rock?
Yes
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Give me a link to a hd 4879 product review.
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LOL...typo.
*fixed*
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LMAO