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Off Topic => Health, Sport and Fitness => Topic started by: Crixx_Creww on May 13, 2008, 10:02:11 AM
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Well ive recently, as of january, made a dramatic change in my life in the realm of health and fitness.
Thanks in part to the secret,my doctor, insulin and in LARGE part too health and fitness magazines AKA muscle mags.
Ive gotten so much life altering information from these magazines and ive been losing weight like crazy as well as filling out.
IAm really enjoying it and i would really like to bring what ive learned to you guys as well as i want to have an outlet for all the fitness buffins out there to help everyone.
I only know what has worked for me thus far, so iam asking the fit people out there to contribute.
If your a fitty and have alot of advice, please indicate to me whether or not youd like to be made a mod on this forum so you can work on sub topics and modify things as you see fit.
Ill post my first set of info tonight when i get home.
BUt ill let the cat out the bag on one thing.
If your a big guy and yu wanna lose weight?
Train like a body builder, believe me, you will love the weight loss and muscle gain =^_^= Nya nya
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What about supplements? You taking anything or it's just weight training?
Where the before and after pix?
What gym you hittin? Or using a bow flex?
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was gonna give all that info when i hit home
supplementing yes
gym west mall bio fitness
$250 a month, open 24/7
very nice
as well as barbell and dumb bells at home
ill give indepth info when i hit home
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Well I would sugest martial arts Great for the body and mind. Like Aikido, Karate or Kendo(propobly my fav) they are all great and lots of fun too. Unless you have to live in the dojo! lol
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Well I am what I would consider 'more than avg joe' into the whole gym scene. To give an idea of what i'm talking about i'll post a comparison shot I did 1 year apart. I was at my heaviest 230lbs and I am currently 185-190lbs. I lost the bulk of my weight in 10 weeks. I dropped from 220lbs to about 190 in that 10 weeks. since then it has been small steps in terms of weight loss but I can attest to great gains in muscle tone, overall size (appearance) and overall fitness level. If you're on facebook (which most of the world is) look for a group called GYM RATS. A good friend of mine started that group and I am an honourary team member due to my great weight loss. Do peruse the group page as its open to everyone. The admin who is also a personal trainer posts many great articles and tips for different techniques and training programs. If you want more information about my own regiment feel free to ask ask well. Here's the comparison picture
(http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5820/n70869517614262285047er3.th.jpg) (http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n70869517614262285047er3.jpg)
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I used to do quite a bit of weights a while back. I damaged my back, had to go for traction for a month..and never really wanted to go into heavy weights too much again.
How i damaged my back. Essentially, not doing enough research and a bad trainer.
Was pushing about 1000 lbs for so on the leg press. You have to be seated properly and you must NOT bend your head forward, always lean back.
Stupid me didnt read up on this and of course the trainer didnt mention this, I had my head up for a whole set. Later that evening i started getting pains in my lower back. Had to stop.
Right now along with Crixxx, im on the diabetes seen. Im pre diabetic
I've started a healthy schedule every day. 70 percent of your weightloss is diet, maybee more.
Ive dropped from 195 to 170 in about 4-5 months.
1. Run/jog for about 1 hour a day. I dont know how long it is, but i run uphill,downhill and flat.
2. Twister excercise...the lil 5US dollar machine you do twists on for your waistline, works wonders. I do 2 x 40 in the morning and evening
3. I dunno what they called but i call it a supercrunch. Legs and arms up together 2 x 20 morning and evening
4. inclined pushups 2 x 20 and flat pushups 2 x 20. Morning and evening. I do pushups on my knuckles. Kinda a habit since i was 12 when i used to do mih lil shoto khan martial arts.
5. Stretch bands, 3 sprang curls . 3 x 10 morning and evening
6. Stretch bands 3 x 10 wrap around the door handle thingy, chest and wing exercise, back as well.
7. 1x 50 morning and evening jumping jacks....that thing is pretty damn good.
As u can see its mostly cardio and exercise i focus on to loose the weight etc. Im not near a gym so this is what I use.
As for diet.
1. Egg whites in the morning, with veges, fried in PAM cooking spray
2. Fruits for lunch or maybee yogurt
3. Baked chicked and veges or something of the sort for dinner
Veges are awesome, work wonders.
Unlike Crixx i had have the occasional chocolate, beer, pizza etc every now and then, dunno if Crixx can. Im on Metformin just like he is.
Supps....not realy
Centrum, Vitamin B complex. End of story.
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wow, that's an intense program boy Shiv.
Couldn't fathom doing that every day.
I jog in the bushes for about 1-2 hours max, but that's on a pretty extreme training session. Did that like twice a week for a few months earlier this year.
It cut into my own program, which is to gain another fifteen pounds before year end. Currently at 185 (just got off the scale). Aiming for 200.
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I'm a very small guy but I'm about bursting with information on this stuff.
I eat clean as hell, no fast foods, drink only water and green tea and train 4 times a week.
Anyone looking for cutting advice I can probably give you some, even as comparatively small as I am I managed to cut 6" off my waist and cut my bodyfat to between six and seven percent in 3 months this year.
Supplements...err...multivitamin, vitamin C, vitamin E, omega 3:6:9 oil blend, fish oil, glucosamine chondroitin, ZMA, creatine, whey. And I'm going on some other stuff soon too (beta alanine, BCAA). So yeah, anything short of steroids I've probably used it in an attempt to fight these god awful small man genetics of mines.
Diet. I eat lots of eggs, milk, beef, chicken breast, canned tuna/chicken/turkey, oatmeal etc. Got a great recipe for health muffine (or cupcakes if you don't have muffin tins like me lol) if anyone wants.
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What's your current height/weight exar? and what's your target weight?
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Gym rats url: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2266203722 (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2266203722)
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yeah exar i just like that to, i ketching meh rasclat @$$ to hold on a measly 140 lbs, for the lack of a better term, i want to look ,HEALTHIER, like ah eating something when the day comes but, i does eat when i hungry, not at clock work. How could i put on about a ten lbs esp in the upper body department?
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I'm basically where you are Trinitus.5'9" at around 140. I was about 155 at the start of the year but I cut about half my body fat off and basically have to begin reclaiming territory previously conquered. One thing I did learn from the cut that's going to serve me well now though is strict nutrition.
I'm sure you know you have to exercise to add mass to your frame but what's even more important is nutrition. You really need to start to down some food, and on a regular basis. Supplements will help obviously but the most basic of basics is your diet. If you simply need to add more calories there's easy ways to fix that without having you watch the clock eating every 3-4 hours (though that is preferable).
A weight gain shake can really help you add calories to your diet. And I'm not talking about buying a premade one from a supplement store either. Oatmeal, peanut butter, cottage cheese, milk. In conjunction with a blender you can drink 16oz that have as many calories as a flickin KFC dinner special but with a much better nutritional profile. If you've got protein powder it of course only strengthens the nutritional profile of these shakes.
As for workout, if you can't make it to the gym or don't want to spend the money/have no equipment at home, here's a nice no equipment workout that can start you off well: Here (http://www.trainforstrength.com/workout1.shtml)
So do your best to up your daily calorie intake and keep working out regularly. Don't up your calories intake too much though, you want to monitor what your body can use for building muscle, anything over that will just add fat to your frame.
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i'm about 5'10 and 150 pounds , never had major weight or fitness problems , just been a too flabby for my liking .
Also interested in maybe one day trying out for modelling... You just need to be a skinny and tall bastard to make it honestly .
I do a mix of weight training and cardio , 2-3 times a week , about 1 hour a day on upper body , or lower , or plain cardio .
Not too dedicated with the regime , stopped for a few months due to school and just started back this month.
I go larry gomes stadium gym.. 120 a month , decent trainers and equipment... plus i can mako at the occasional football game for free. Its walking distance from where i live .
Lost about 5 pounds from last year but still softer than i'd like to be.
I don't believe in spending money on gatorade.. expensive whey protein powders etc. (i'm not an athlete) , if i'm looking for protein i'll eat a few eggs, drink just plain water in the gym but i stock up on sugar before by mixing a set of sugar with juice or milo .
If i'm doing cardio i'll bring a bottle with some extra sweet homemade juice , works well enough for me.
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HOLY CRAP you guys are FLY WEIGHTS... I haven't been 150lbs since form 4 secondary school some decade ago!!! i'm 5'8"/9" and 190lbs and I CATCHING MEH @$$ to drop weight. In fact my weight in spite of losing inches off meh waist hasn't changed significantly in over 8 months O_O. I could easily give recommendations for becoming 'healthier looking' is IF allyuh stomach could expand that much XD
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If you don't want to spend the money on protein powders Trini, you'd do well to drink chocolate milk after each of your workouts.
The ideal post workout drink for protein synthesis is water with whey, dextrose, maltodextrin, BCAAs but some chocolate milk will do more for you post workout than water will.
Additionally you should eat a proper meal with carbs and protein an hour or two afterwards to keep protein synthesis happening optimally.
I was probably more or less in your shoes Trini at the start of the year. If you want I could tell you my routine that I used. My waist went from 33" to 27" in that time and I've got some pretty decent abs including those diagonal cut lines and all that. I don't think you should be trying to get smaller than that though. I was frankly quite disgusted at how much more of a beanpole I was when I finished my cut and look forward to getting my lean mass up past where I was before.
Strangely enough I get more looks now (from women, man does still merit a cuff), probably the better chest:waist ratio.
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lol @ these feather weights indeed
iam now @ 240, january this year i was 265
iam 6'1.5
ive never lost this much weight
and i have to thank muscle and fitness
i keep getting side tracked when i try to post up my info
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If you don't want to spend the money on protein powders Trini, you'd do well to drink chocolate milk after each of your workouts.
The ideal post workout drink for protein synthesis is water with whey, dextrose, maltodextrin, BCAAs but some chocolate milk will do more for you post workout than water will.
Additionally you should eat a proper meal with carbs and protein an hour or two afterwards to keep protein synthesis happening optimally.
I was probably more or less in your shoes Trini at the start of the year. If you want I could tell you my routine that I used. My waist went from 33" to 27" in that time and I've got some pretty decent abs including those diagonal cut lines and all that. I don't think you should be trying to get smaller than that though. I was frankly quite disgusted at how much more of a beanpole I was when I finished my cut and look forward to getting my lean mass up past where I was before.
Strangely enough I get more looks now (from women, man does still merit a cuff), probably the better chest:waist ratio.
I dont want to get smaller, and iam about the same height, waist about 28, I like the info though, the only thing i was wondering is that i also do martial arts, does the dcardio in that affect the ability to put on MASs?
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no it doesnt
Putting on Mass has three criteria
GENETICS (big bad genes, you cant beat them)
Nutrition, only slightly less as big as genetics, you cant get big without nutrition
and of course, weight training.
Cardio will lean you out, but wont give you mass, but it isnt a hindrance to putting on mass.
grr, i really wanna get teh chance to put up my stuff about losing weight and putting on muscle but my week has been insane.
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The sad and unfortunate truth about fitness and living a healthy lifestyle is it's usually far more expensive than being unhealthy and I have my conspiracy theories on what that is... but I digress. Crixx has pointed out something VERY important. Genetics BE DAMNED!!! blame ur parents, ur grandparents etc. Genetics has a significant role in the physique you have and how difficult or easy it can be to achieve certain weight goals. Take for instance I can gain mass easily in most cases, however losing is difficult. I know ppl that lose muscle mass at a rate that rivals the free fall of the WTC. There are also hormonal and other biological factors that can hinder ppls ability to lose weight.
Apart from just taking the best of the best supplements which can be prohibitively expensive, some of the things you should do when considering an exercise regiment is to set a goal whether it be weight, waist, overall appearance, lifting capabilities, stamina, etc. Once you have a goal to work towards, you need to set a timeframe. Now timeframe is a subjective thing. As I started with mentioning supplements, based on you BUDGET, you'll be able to better determine what a REALISTIC timeline is for your progress. If you can't afford spending 500TT on supplements a month, not to mention eating properly and proper equipment for your tasks (whether it be proper running shoes, or gloves, belt, clothes, etc) you need to assess what is reachable and scale to match.
Just to mention a few things, in certain cases Cardio depending on what it is you're doing exactly can actually have minimal effects on overall mass. Case in point, a good friend of mine struggled to maintain 135lbs with weight training, supplements, etc. However he became a member of his Company's BG World Energy challenge team and has maintained 132lbs without any heavy weight training or supplements. Believe it or not all he does is cycle and run. His physique is more ripped now and his mass does not fluctuate. Keep in mind he can run a 10km in <50mins. Depending on your goals Cardio will not change your overall mass by as much as you think. Genetics played a role in my friends case as well.
Consider consulting a dieticion (or however it's spelt) and a personal trainer if you're new to the gym (esp if you're new) but beyond that, as shiv is a testament to, it has to be someone WHO KNOWS WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE DOING. And trust me in T&T there are ALOT OF POSERS. So be careful.
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Yes it will affect your gains, assuming you don't keep yourself in a calorie surplus. By that I mean if you're burning calories without re-adding them you'll suffer a bit. I doubt you burn more than a few hundred cals in a MA session but it's important to take that into consideration as far as your total daily intake goes.
Something I should clear up about Crixx's post. Cardio only 'leans you out' in the sense that it helps with putting on a calorie deficit. When in a deficit your body needs to burn mass to fuel itself.
It is highly highly impractical to put on lean mass and lose fat at the same time. The reasoning should be obvious, if losing fat requires a calorie deficit and gaining mass requires a calorie surplus then obviously they're basically mutually exclusive.
I'm not saying it can't happen in a limited sense, but you certainly won't be seeing optimal results. You can tailor your week so that your calorie intake fluctuates in time with your resistance training and cardio days, but since protein synthesis happens over the course of days you'll be screwing yourself up when you decide to go into deficit when your muscles are still in a state of growth potential from your last workout.
That said, you can of course gain lean mass and have less body fat, simply because by gaining lean at a faster rate than you gain fat your overall bodyfat percentage will decrease.
One thing I'd caution you about Crixx is in not taking the things you read in those muscle mags with at least a grain of salt. Those guys in there are juiced up to their eyeballs; their routines and gain/cut cycles are tailored to fit the edge they're giving themselves through the needle.
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I somewhat disagree there EK. Please qualify what you define as lean mass.
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Lean mass is how much you weigh less the weight of fat you're carrying. So someone at 200lbs with 10% body fat would be carrying 180lbs of lean mass. Obviously this includes bones, organs etc.
When we're talking about increases in lean mass we're talking about the increase in mass due to dry muscle and the associated water and glycogen being stored in said muscle.
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Ok, we're on the same page. That being said, fat burning is directly connected to muscle mass. The development of lean muscle tissue better enables a person to burn calories and thereby reduce fat. Developing lean mass versus say bulking as bodybuilders refer to it, requires different training regiments altogether, different diets, etc. I would say it is practical for someone to develop lean muscle tissue whilst losing fat as it's exactly what i've been doing for the past year. The hierarchy of energy sources used by the body is affected by the type of training regiment and diet. You can gear a program towards losing more fat whilst gaining muscle albeit at a slower rate. Nonetheless, overall increase in muscle directly affects decrease capabilities of fat loss.
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I agree with exar.
Any substantial cardio program hinders the ability to gain mass.
If you're doing cardio, it tells the body it needs to get lean and be able to endure.
If you're doing weight training, it tells the body it needs to bulk and get strong.
Combining both at the same time is counter productive towards gaining weight but will work just fine if you're just looking to be healthy.
I've been told several times to seriously cut back on the cardio if I want to see the benefits of the strength training.
lol @ genetics. Yeah, that's 85% of the battle right there yes. Some girls I know look fit as fiddles and they don't even see inside the gym. Others, working out right through and still have overweight frames.
Genetics idmc.
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Edit: Post reply is to Win
What you're missing though from that argument is efficiency and speed. Building muscle is a very slow process. Newbie gains aside, a realistic goal for a natural trainee is about 10 lbs of dry muscle per year, which might work out to 13-14 lbs lean total.
Each additional lb of muscle is only going to increase calorie consumption by only a little bit. Depending on the muscle and a few other factors there is evidence that you'll see only 15 calories per day burn by each additional pound. So at the end of that year you're burning 150 extra calories per day. That's just a few minutes of HIIT, ten ounces of coca cola etc . Obviously there's more going on here than just a straight mathematical relationship but this is a practical reality to look at things from.
I think I should clear up the term 'bulking'. Bulking is exactly that, the quest to make increases in lean mass. It is not a quest to get fat or something.
As I said, you need surplus calories to build muscle. Indisputable fact. However the amount of surplus you can use per day varies, and depends on many factors with genetics being one of them. The kind of bulking you're referring to is probably the dirty bulk where the muscle gain is accompanied by alot of fat gain. This is a simply an approach used by bodybuilders to ensure that they use the max amount of surplus calories per day for muscle building. because anything over the max amount usable goes to fat.
Anabolics allows bodybuilders to do this since they can use anabolics to very quickly cut this fat off later while losing almost no muscle mass. Naturals can't do that. Enter the clean bulk, which is what I do and have been advocating. You keep your calories above maintenance but not above max. Obviously this max value will fluctuate and you can't count calories down to the number so you'll never get that max muscle building effect happening but you will reduce fat production.
As far as building lean mass while losing fat, yes it is possible. But it isn't optimal. Again, the body is very complex but from a straight macro standpoint because of the calorie requirements each way it's impossible. But your body doesn't determine muscle building (surplus) and fat loss (deficit) like a batch processing program. it happens day by day, hour by hour.
So you could certainly adjust your diet so that you're in surplus Mon, tues, Wed, Thurs and then in deficit the rest of the week. You will gain muscle those four days, then you'll lose some of that same muscle and also fat on the other three. But seesawing like that will not let your body work optimally.
Just one thing to note: As the body sheds fat you can actually look bigger while losing weight. Also you can gain fat and find yourself looking more muscular when in fact it's just fat padding the muscle on your body making you look bulky. I monitor my progress using the scale, circumference measurements and skinfold measurement to estimate bodyfat.
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Now onto the next stage, some pics ppls. It's always a motivational factor when you see other ppls success.
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I agree with W1ntry. Motivation is the key.
I'm a big fatso - 5'10 - 200lbs. Yes I'm lazy but my problem has always been in the past if I don't see quick results I quit. Any recommendations on the best exercises to lose weight fast.
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i have to disagree with exar
when you say each lb of muscle is only going to increase calorie consumption by a little bit is not true.
Thats true in a PASSIVE sense, where muscle burns calories passively.
BUT the more muscle yu have, the more work you can do, the more work you do, the more calories you consume.
ANd as for losing weight as well as increasing muscle mass. Again its not true that it cant be done together, in fact it SHOULD be done together.
Muscle has its own energy source, glycogen. Which is a richer energy source than the food you consume, its like highly refined energy so its potent.
You can reduce your caloric intake, to but your body in a state of calorie burning, which of course makes your body target muscle first.
SO if you tailor your diet right, and consume 1.25 to 1.5 grams of protein per lb of weight, you will be able to gain, not LOSE muscle mass while having your body burn up calories.
Ok i wanted to do this better, like in my own thread, but ill say it here first.
What i first found in muscle & fitness, which my doctor also greatly approves as a diabetic and also since iam now on insulin, a side effect of taking insulin is increased muscle mass.
This is how my new diet is.
FIBRE PROTEIN CARBS FAT
<--------------------> <--------------><---------><--->
THIS has allowed me to lose 25 pounds since late january this year!
i also bought a fancy scale that electrically measures my muscle mass,body fat,bone mass and density,water mass and a host of other things.
Ive lost 25 pounds and gained 5 pounds of muscle.
The diet is simple but very malleable. I consume the different food groups at different times of day in different combinations to achieve my combined goal of losing fat and building muscle, and since those goals are complimentary, iam succeeding like crazy.
In the gym my goal is to lose weight and develop muscle.
So, i work my largest muscle groups EACH AND EVERYTIME I GO TO THE GYM.
i.e legs, chest and back.
i do lots of reps at low weight when iam doing all three muscle groups.
THen later in my workout when iam focusing on certain groups, i do low reps, at high weight BUT i utilise what i call "muscle virtulisation" where i focus HEAVILY on slowwwllyyy curling which ever muscle iam working, i dont even work my arms out, iam not trying to get big show biceps, until i drop down to my goal weight of 200 lbs at the end of THIS YEAR.
So when iam doing my chest exercises, i slowwwllyyy push the bar out focusing on form visualising pulling my elbows together with my chest, instead of simply pushing the bar off my chest, which would wastefully utilisize alot of bicep strength.
THat is the concept i picked up from muscle and fitness.
you can do less reps and get tremendous gains this way.
I think ill scan the relevant info and make it available so you can see and understand what iam saying better.
But trusttt me, alongside the nutrional tricks ive been doing, this method has me in an almost constant state of repair
AND I LOVEEEEEEE IT!!
EACH AND EVERY TIME I GO TO THE GYM I GET THAT BURN AND IAM GROWING!! RAAWWRRRR
for the past week ive been down from an ingrown toe nail, iam diabetic so i have to take it seriously or face trinidad hospitals and have it chopped off right lol.
BUt ive been missing the gym like a crack hore, lol and iam not juicing or anything yayz
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eroo
if you live in the west
why not join west mall gym with me and my friends
ill show you how ive been able to lose weight and be motivated by it.
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great post crixx and I'm loving the info.
one small clarification, in the case of gaining mass, as opposed to just "lean muscle".
Remember, in your case, you're attempting to drop overall weight. That is fine with cardio + resistance training.
If in the reverse situation, you are trying to increase mass. That cardio will hinder the mass building potential of the resistance training. The reverse isn't true....that is to say, the resistance training does not hinder the fat burning effect of the cardio.
Hope that clarifies.
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i guess if yu want to PASSIVELY increase mass, then you can forego the cardio because it does have a leaning effect. But if you want to have REAL MUSCLE the kind that can and DOES do work.
THen you shouldnt forego cardio.
Ive learnt that there are different types of muscle and yu can have big huge muscles, that is only good for explosive power, then yu can have that big strong muscle that will give you retarded amounts of stamina and power, but u wont be agile.
You can have a mix of those muscle, probably wont LOOK as impressive as just straight up MASS but u will probably appreciate your body more if you choose which type/types you want to develop.
Also, the more muscle yu have, the more strain on your heart and other organs, so i think it would be a BAD idea to ignore your cardio simply because it will put yu in a calorie burning state.
BTw, days before a big show, body builders do cardio to make their muscles look ripped and blood filled.
You cant get the impressive look with out the cardio =^_^= so dont ignore it.
Oh and again btw, i saw on door to the gym there is a body building contest at the end of the month i think on the 29th.
THink iam gonna go, gonna be great source of info an ish.
As for supplimentation, the fitness store in long circular is great, that guy has great products as well as great advice.
Star light drugs has some of THEEE best whey products and suppliments ive scene in trinidad
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Hi guys after reading through I see that the nutrition/diet part is heavily covered.
I would like to suggest a program for those who are self motivated to try out. Many may be familiar with it on ads on television, it's called P90X workout.
Now in high school I did track i.e. 100m,110m Hurdles,200m, 4X100m relay, High Jump and Long Jump.
I seriously fell off my training on moving to trinidad for school but in looking for a means to do workouts without having to go to a gym I found P90X and after doing just the 15min Ab wourkout yes 15mins!! I felt like I just did a full day workout when I used to train in my Athletics Club.
Here's a pic I took of myself this year without doing any real workouts. I have a high metabolism so it has prevented me from getting a pot belly.
I typically just do situps until I feel so much pain I can't do anymore( I find using a set number doesn't challenge me again) and push ups to the point where my arms tremble with pain then I stop.
Skipping while running on the spot is quite a serious cardio workout, it seems simple but try skipping while running on the spot for 5mins straight and tell me how you feel after lol.
Here's a pic I took of myself like Jan this year. I weigh about 170lbs but I wanna hit 200lbs max cause I think I'm skinny lol
(http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2757/picture55he9.jpg)
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P90X is a metabolism enhancer or something? Cause I am a firm DIS-Believer in using fatburners, metabolism enhancers, etc.
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ok
i think the pics thing is a BAD idea
omfg gay porn ahhhh noeez my eyes >.<
i saw the ads for the p90x thing and couldnt trust it cause it was paid advertising crap but if yur doing it and it works kudos.
But again, a system like that will get yu cut and lean but not buff you out.
Muscle= Resistance training + Genetics+ Nutrition.
You skinny people are always trying to gain weight like its a hard ting
pfft
noobs, gaining weight so easy
lol
P90x is an aerobic exercise system, mostly body weight exercise with some resistance training
as for hating on the pills.
well, it depends on your goals.
I recently used something reccommended to me as a diabetic cause its all natural and wouldnt affect my blood sugar with stimulants.
As such yu dont feel that buzz you used to get with say stacker 2 aka gods gift to weight loss ephedra.
lol
Yu want to know the secret to weight loss pills??
Yu have to take them in combination with other types of weight loss and metabolism enhancers for them to really work.
An expensive endeavour, but if it is your GOAL in life to loose weight NOW , like say to save your life.
It is an option
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Well discretion is the better part of valour... or something so... pics are fine, just make sure it's NOSFW content: NOT Only Suitable For Women content... O_o
Wham crixx, got some issues in the security dept? LMAO
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lol @ security no
i just dont want nobody lookin at a thread i create and thinking wtf is this gay porn ish that crixx trying to promote!!
NO SETTA PICS OF MAN IN DEY FLIKKIN DRAWS OR SPANDEX OR OIL DONG OR NONE OF THAT!!
ah tired tell andro bout dat ish on facebook oh lord steups
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LOL so should I take down the pic? Sorry if I caused any trouble
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nah, ill just shield my eyes everytime i come in this thread...
and ill log on as someone else yes
lol
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LoL ok then. I think once we keep those who have tights etc from putting up pics *cringes* we safe.
Carry on :P
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I'll try to punch holes in some of your 'facts' Crixx. Not gonna take too much time doing this though because I know from experience that even with a million links I'll never convince you, so I'll try to convince everyone else.
However a couple take home points:
1) That super slow lifting thing really isn't all that good. In fact it's crap.
The scope of this article prevents me from analyzing each of these studies individually, so instead I'll summarize them (Greer et al.; Caterisano et al.; Blount et al., 2003). Sixteeen weeks of supervised textbook SS training did not improve: blood pressure, aerobic or anaerobic capacities, or muscle mass. Lower body strength increased by as much as a Traditional Style (TS) group, but muscular endurance increased much more than the TS group. Interestingly, the TS group actually had a decrease in muscular endurance because the rep range used by this group (8-12) was ideal for hypertrophy and beneficial for strength rather than targeting endurance.
So it seems pretty clear that there is no advantage to SS training when it comes to muscle mass, fat loss, strength, anaerobic capacity, metabolic rate, aerobic fitness, or safety. This makes it inappropriate for athletes, bodybuilders, and the elderly.
So who would benefit from SST? Well, it seems like momentum-free training could benefit novice trainers, but do you really need a 10-second concentric to eliminate momentum and promote proper form? No, of course not. In fact, a novice trainer is probably at the highest risk for holding their breath during a prolonged muscle contraction, so I’d advise against this type of training for "newbies."
I guess this leaves SST open for use by people who want to improve strength and muscular endurance but not muscle mass, and for some reason want to make themselves slow. If this applies to you, please contact me because I'd love to see what kind of freak would want this. Some of you may be asking: "But what about the scientific theory behind SST?" In answer I refer you to the wisdom of Homer Simpson: "Sure it works in theory, but then again, even communism works… in theory."
David J. Barr CSCS
"Super Slow Training, a form of low velocity resistance training, has gained significant popularity in the last decade, with the lay press also demonstrating a profound interest in this unconventional type of physical training.
"However, a lack of research studies has resulted in the inability to confirm or disprove the many publicized benefits of Super Slow training. Only recently have appropriate research designs emerged to test the efficacy of a Super Slow program. Although it is still too early to draw formal conclusions, it seems that Super Slow Training will make you good at one thing: doing Super Slow Training.
"Unfortunately, this has virtually no practical application since almost no activities of daily living are purposely performed at such a slow speed. In addition, the typical conditioning goals of an athlete (e.g. strength/power gains, reduction of the explosive strength deficit, increases in speed, and ultimately the development of agility) will not be optimised by Super Slow Training.
"Although Super Slow Training is certainly better than doing nothing, it is doubtful that future studies will show Super Slow to be a "magic bullet" in terms of developing muscular strength."
— Beau Greer, MA, CSCS, HFI Florida State University
2)Those electronic body fat scales are nonsense. So sorry but it's true. They don't work properly. If you want a proper bodyfat measurement then you need to do a water test with a doctor. Or the best approximation is by using skinfold calipers.
3) Rep ranges. here's what Alwyn Cosgrove had to say:
Beginners:
Strength zone should be 6-8 reps, hypertrophy should be 10-12 reps.
Intermediates:
Strength zone should be 3-5 reps, hypertrophy should be 8-10 reps
Advanced (three years or more of solid training):
Strength zone should be 2-4 reps, hypertrophy should be 6-8 reps.
Ive learnt that there are different types of muscle and yu can have big huge muscles, that is only good for explosive power, then yu can have that big strong muscle that will give you retarded amounts of stamina and power, but u wont be agile.
You can have a mix of those muscle, probably wont LOOK as impressive as just straight up MASS but u will probably appreciate your body more if you choose which type/types you want to develop.
Absolute nonsense Crixx. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. And if you read it in M&F I can see now why everyone laughs at most muscle mags online.
As for supplimentation, the fitness store in long circular is great, that guy has great products as well as great advice.
Body Glow? They used to be in Price Plaza too till they closed a couple months ago. Ya, they're some great guys. Huge metalheads too. The guy got all happy when I went in with my Amon Amarth t-shirt once.
The best whey protein you can get in Trinidad would be Optimum Gold. If you want something more complete Muscle Milk is great too.
Stay away from Nitrotech and Celltech. You have all been warned.
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rofl @ oil dong.
and crixx, body builders do the cardio only after achieving their target mass to get the chiseled look.
Not recommended while in the bulking stage for best results for the reasons exar identified above.
Again, that's only for those lookin to build mass eh. If you're talking about health, your approach is definitely better.
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What are the dangers of Nitrotech and Celltech EK?
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i use muscle milk,i cant remember if its body glow, its ground floor long circular mall.
is optimim gold or whatever an egg whey suppliment? cause the shop in long circular has one that delivers 55g of protein per serving with egg whey, thats really awesome.
How can you say point 3 is nonsense?
Athletes from different sports have different bodies, i buy my issues of muscle mag, not online.
A footballer, swimmer, baseball, long distance runner, rock climber so on and so forth ALL HAVE DIFFERENT MUSCLE BUILDS!!!
your not going to see a brock lesner type mound of muscle running long distance, or see him being a pro swimmer *sigh* dont know why yu thought to attack this.
As for the super slow sets, well, muscle mag put it into very good perspective from renowned, as in world renowned, body builders and speak of its benefits, like i said ill scan it and post it to give a better idea of what iam talking about but you CANNOT TELL ME THAT IT DOESNT WORK
IF IVE BEEN DOING IT, AND ITS BEEN WORKING!!
the point of the visualisation as i call it, is not to simply do a set slowly you know, its not like iam taking my time for no reason.
The point of the visualisation, is for me to do an isolation exercise, without involving the auxillary muscles, so like for a bench press, i focus on pulling my elbows together with my chest muscles, this means i use very little bicep strength to raise the weight off my chest, and i can feeeeeeeeel the muscle fibres in my chest all pulling their merry way.
SOme one, anyone, take the time, right now
pick up a dumbell or some weight and do a bicep curl right now.
but instead of merely just LIFTING THE WEIGHT
visual your bicep curling and pulling yur forearm towards yur shoulder.
THat creates a very tight curled muscle and BELIEVE ME, you feel that alot more than simply lifting the weight.
YOur body only grows muscle when it recieves signals that your current muscles mass is not sufficient to perform the work that you need it to do.
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Before ppl go at each others throat let me just interject and say that different routines work for different body types and goal sets. That being said, you CANNOT discredit the Placebo effect either. Not saying that anyones training regiment is as such, but for those strange ones out there it's a possibility that's been medically proven. Carry on.
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as they said in the magazine, if you curl your muscles in that way, you can do bicep curls, with as little weight as a pen, and yur muscles will feel that burn.
think bout it, yu can lift yur arm no scene, no effort
but if yu visualise curling yur bicep intensely, it feels as if yu have just exerted a whole bunch of effort to lift your arm, which is what happens when you, you know, lift weights.
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I'll admit, that one of the reasons I also encouraged pplto post pics to encourage others with proof of their progress, is exactly that. There are alot of KNOW-IT-ALLS but the proof is in the pudding. Pics (unless photoshopped) Don't lie. So for those that boast of dramatic results doing X-Y-Z, put your money where your mouth is, inherently hopefully it will also encourage others to be more proactive about their health.
All the supplements and training instructors and advice in the WORLD won't help you if you're not MOTIVATED, DEDICATED and STRICT enough to do WHAT IT TAKES, regardless of what it is specifically that works best for you!
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It's funny you should say that Crixx, two instructors told me the same thing but I didn't take them seriously.
Later I found out that one of them actually won several body building events in Trinidad. Gave their advice a little more consideration after (though still a bit skeptical, lol). Mind over matter iwmc.
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Jah i feeling shame oui
this week i real slack off in gym, was pretty much dedicated for most of year,
but work had me level tired to bones beat.... :shakehead:
good to see men taking fitness so serious, allyuh motivate me oui, GG
my two cents...brute force and ignorance...
and umm watch yuh diet...
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What are the dangers of Nitrotech and Celltech EK?
Not dangerous. But they're expensive and do nothing particularly special.
I dunno if they've changed their formula but I remember having tried Nitrotech several years ago and it mixed and tasted like s***.
How can you say point 3 is nonsense?
Athletes from different sports have different bodies, i buy my issues of muscle mag, not online.
A footballer, swimmer, baseball, long distance runner, rock climber so on and so forth ALL HAVE DIFFERENT MUSCLE BUILDS!!!
That's just a matter of the muscle they choose to develop. However your muscle shape is determined by genetics. There are different fibres in the muscle, fast twitch and slow twitch that can be encouraged to grow using different rep combinations but growth is still growth. No matter how many different ways you train your biceps they're gonna grow the exact same way.
Maybe I misinterpreted what you said, but it sounded to me like you were saying that training a muscle in different ways will make it grow differently. That's crazy talk. if your shoulders are perfectly circular there is no way you can train to make them oval or something. Dumb example but that's the gist of it.
As for the super slow sets, well, muscle mag put it into very good perspective from renowned, as in world renowned, body builders and speak of its benefits, like i said ill scan it and post it to give a better idea of what iam talking about but you CANNOT TELL ME THAT IT DOESNT WORK
IF IVE BEEN DOING IT, AND ITS BEEN WORKING!!
Anything is better than nothing. I'm not saying it doesn't do something. But it's been scientifically proven to not be better than established training methods.
Yes it may have worked for you but you can't say that it worked better than an identical program using conventional lifting methodology, can you?
About the pro bodybuilders I suggest you not study them too much. These guys are both genetically gifted and of course juiced like crazy. Ronnie Coleman's routine is most certainly not the routine we want to be using. Just as their gaining/cutting cycles are not the ones we want to be using. From this:
(http://www.dailymuscle.com/images/lee_priest_bulkup.jpg)
to this
(http://www.hardcorebodybuildingontheweb.com/precontestbible/Lee_Priest.jpg)
isn't going to happen without killer genetics and anabolic help. Yes those are real pics of Lee Priest on bulk and then after he cut off the fat. It's more or less a standard bodybuilder bulking phase with those killer cutting results possible due to anabolics.
And I agree with you about the visualization thing. Intensity is key. Anyone can just go through the motions, but working with intensity adds that bit extra.
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see
now we understand each other a bit better
i wasnt trying to say that lifting at right angles will make your muscles grow in triangles lol
and about visualization vs other training methods
when i was younger, i trained for maybe 2 years at a gym
lost about 5 pounds
while i was on stacker 2 as well
went thru the motions
i got stronger, but not built, not fit
now though :) now iam getting somewhere
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Not dangerous. But they're expensive and do nothing particularly special.
I dunno if they've changed their formula but I remember having tried Nitrotech several years ago and it mixed and tasted like s***.
Muscletech spends a good deal of the profits of their products to do product refreshes. I can say with 100% certainty that it tastes better than many out there i've tried (save the Strawberry, thats an aquired taste). And it works well. I know a few ppl that take it and they have had noticeable gains. I also have been using it a while now and I can say it works. I've tasted muscle milk, pretty good but difficult to get in south.
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The thing is that they could probably have had those same gains using a cheaper powder. There's basically two situations where protein needs to be taken, post workout and for regular supplementation. For both purposes you can get better results from other products, cheaper too.
Also all those fancy buzz words Muscletech uses, absolute nonsense.
What is Nanomolecular Hyperdispersion Technology?
Nanomolecular Hyperdispersion Technology™ represents a true breakthrough in harnessing the power of nanoparticulation for rapid protein delivery. Nanoparticulation is the technical process of reducing a compound to microscopic size to initiate rapid absorption. Collaborating with Team MuscleTech™ researchers, leading experts in nanoparticulation worked to create a micron-size, ultra-absorbable compound for the revolutionary Nitro-Tech® Hardcore formula.
Using pneumatic and jet milling systems, researchers were able to reduce a precise portion of whey protein in Nitro-Tech Hardcore to two to 50 microns. That's up to 7,400 percent smaller than the protein particles found in regular whey protein products! The result is a nanoparticulated compound specifically engineered to dramatically speed up the rate of absorption for explosive muscle growth.
Oh stfu muscletech.
Edit: I should mention, this whole milling process they tout where they make the powder so fine and whatnot. When I first bought Nitro I tasted a bit of the powder by itself. Got in my throat, stuck there and started wicking the moisture out of it. Started choking immediately. Never me and that stuff again.
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as far as product propaganda goes, its the same as in the tech world
yu dont listen to their hype, yu find trusted expert reviews, preferably ones not focusing on any one brand, but testing the product against other products and not by brand. so yu know from the get go if any brand of this type of product is just nonsense or not.
Ive done my research and i know why i use the products i do.
perfect example is hydroxy cut
highly advertised and widely used, but in a round up of weight loss products, it places about 4th in terms of efficacy, but the creators know how to advertise so they are winning in terms of sales.
The real way to get the best out of weight loss pills is to take them in conjunction with diff met enhancers.
you can get results quicker that way so in the long run yu can actually spend less money by using more products over a shorter time span.
pills have their dangers, so the shorter yu use them the better, and when yu start getting results, :) thats motivation for just being ignorant an start chess pressing yuh couch when yuh family on it while watching smallville. lol
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Edit: I should mention, this whole milling process they tout where they make the powder so fine and whatnot. When I first bought Nitro I tasted a bit of the powder by itself. Got in my throat, stuck there and started wicking the moisture out of it. Started choking immediately. Never me and that stuff again.
If i'm not mistaken there is a warning on the label that addresses that particular problem... O_o I always use a blender for any supplement I take. Also as far as the nanomolecular dispersion is concerned, it's not BS, if you've ever seen Muscletech Nano Vapour, i've first hand seen why there is a warning on the label that says let sit for x minutes before opening container, the damn thing literally vapourizes if you don't. You may argue that you can get similar gains with cheaper products but like anything else, its a bit more reassuring that the company from which you're feeding yourself puts proper funding behind its product. That's like saying I COULD buy a BMW but the Honda civic will get me from point A to point B just the same way. Both good vehicles but there is a definite difference in the quality of the R&D and build of materials isn't there. Anywhos, I agree with crixx in that you need to be careful with ANY product you take, make sure to research the COMPANY that manufactures it and not just the PR BS on the product label or word of mouth.
Now onto something of more consequence. What product do you take EK and what are the price ranges and alternatives of which you speak. I use Nitrotech and I used to use Designer Weigh. Animal Stack as a multivitamin is used by many that I know and I use Centrum Performance atm. Relative prices:
Nitrotech: 2lb $315; 5lb $520
Animal Stack: $1.50 per serving (last I checked)
Centrum Performance: $95
Designer Weigh: 2lb $275 (last I checked which was a WHILE ago)
I would be very interested in seeing the comparative prices in other parts of T&T.
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kool well lets take that on as a lil endeavour
ill check the place in long circular mall
starlight drugs
and bio fitness gym
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I use Optimum Nutrition Whey. I believe it runs at around $450 for the 5lb. Body Glow cardholders get another 5% off that, and if you get them on the discount days you'll get another 10% on that.
I only use ON for my supplementary protein atm, but I intend to keep on using it.
I'm also using Muscle Milk and Cytogainer, but only because I've still got some left from last year (i didn't use this year when I was cutting).
The new supplement I've started using for my post workout shake is called Surge Recovery. Nutritionally it's about perfect for post workout, I don't think there's any other product with the quality of ingredients as this stuff. However I order this from the US. Surge is USD $32.99 for 3lbs. Free shipping to my skybox. Add 15% VAT, 20% duty,then skybox handling. So it runs about the same as the 2lb Nitrotech. For post workout though, it beats it left and right. Perfect proportion of maltodextrin, dextrose, whey hydrolysate (fastest absorbing whey) and also BCAAs.
I also take whatever creatine I can find. The only place I can find creatine monohydrate powder is the pharmacy in TruValu Trincity Mall. $130 for 500 grams.
I'll do a write up on post workout shakes tomorrow. There's certain things you really need in them to make the most of your workout. Unfortunately I don't have a friggin clue where to get the stuff is usable quantities in T&T which is why I buy Surge. I'll write that tomorrow.
Edit: About Cell-Tech (http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=1171928&page=0&vc=1)
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Edit: I should mention, this whole milling process they tout where they make the powder so fine and whatnot. When I first bought Nitro I tasted a bit of the powder by itself. Got in my throat, stuck there and started wicking the moisture out of it. Started choking immediately. Never me and that stuff again.
Straight off the Bottle:
WARNING: Taking this product without adequate fluid may cause it to swell and block your throat or esophagus and may cause choking. Do not take this product if you have difficulty in swallowing. If you experience chest pain, vomiting, or difficulty in swallowing or breathing after taking this product, seek immediate medical attention.
http://www.muscletech.com/products/nitrotech_hardcore/faq_suppfacts.shtml (http://www.muscletech.com/products/nitrotech_hardcore/faq_suppfacts.shtml)
*W1nTry raises finger...* nvm...
Edit: About Cell-Tech (http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=1171928&page=0&vc=1)
Any time you have a creatine product as good as Cell-Tech Hardcore in your system, it's going to help with your performance and strength. Supplementing with Cell-Tech Hardcore, I notice increased strength, muscle fullness, and size. Cell-Tech Hardcore is the best and there is no comparison.
- Jay Cutler, Mr. Olympia
I’ve been in the bodybuilding business for many years, and with Cell-Tech Hardcore, I’ve really found something that actually works for me the way it says it does. There’s no comparison. Cell-Tech Hardcore is the best on the market because it gives you exactly what you need after a workout – muscle gains.
- Darrem Charles, 8-Time IFBB Pro Champion
http://www.muscletech.com/products/celltech_hardcore/testimonials.shtml (http://www.muscletech.com/products/celltech_hardcore/testimonials.shtml)
I'd be inclined to listen to Mr. Olympia and our local bodybuilding celeb as opposed to said forum.
All that aside, Crixx any update on pricing in north??? anyone???
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iam heading gym in the morning
ill do the pricing for the gym
and then ill check the pharmacy in west mall and the one at star light
then sometime later ill do longcircular
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I'd be inclined to listen to Mr. Olympia and our local bodybuilding celeb as opposed to said forum.
You mean you'd be more inclined to listen to paid endorsers over people that objectively analyze the products. That's a good way to waste money.
Any company can find some steroid freak to say good things about their stuff. I'm sure there's jacked guys all around saying good thing about Nos or some other junk.
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have a problem with NO?
you dont seem to like scientific advancements very much exar.. hmm
anyways
i went to lcm on thursday and bought a 5lb bottle of GOLD STANDARD 100% WHEY from ON.
cost $565 but body glow has a 15% discount on the last weds an thurs of every month, so i got that off, pretty nice.
Vanilla icecream flavoured, very nice for shakes.
I then went and bought a magic bullet blender for $300 from some dry cleaner.
Currently experimenting on the perfect shake.
Doing some research and checking the tube for recipe advises.
Guess ill create a sub forum for food and shakes =^_^=
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ok also
think iam gonna prune this thread, and move information here into a more suitable thread.
this was supposed to just be an intro to health and fitness thread.
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NO is complete crap. There's absolutely no reliable evidence that it does anything useful.
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Any kickboxers up in here? JUst started back training and weights lifting. The pain is tooo much when u havent lifted a barbell in three years. :crybaby2:
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dont yur time then and dont forget your supps for recovery
also if yur body feelin like yu now done out bout 3 million persians
take ah soak with some epsom salts
does a body good, lol seriously its great stuff and really aids in muscle recovery
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Any kickboxers up in here? JUst started back training and weights lifting. The pain is tooo much when u havent lifted a barbell in three years. :crybaby2:
I'm not a kick boxer per se but I do have advice on training and prepping for fights. Anyway whiplash, what you experience is a normal thing. It happens when we all stop and then start back...or when we initially start.
For kick-boxing in any case, shouldn't you be building your cardiovascular endurance before you hit weights? It makes no sense fighting with an Ura Renge in your arsenal and you're too tired to use it. Start off with some form of circuit training, light running, swimming, core drills, resistance training, shadow boxing, movement drills and light sparring. Any combination of these workouts will help you get back into the groove faster than you think.
I forgot though. Remember to stretch properly. Stretch during your non-training days, before training and after training. This does wonders to fight cramps and aid your ease of movement. Leg stretchs would be more important than the hand stretches as you may not use your legs to such a degree consistently (unless you're a pole dancer)
So work the hamstrings, glutimus, hip flexors, knees, calves, thighs, and groin.
That's just off the top of my head though.
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mon wed fri is Kick BOxn and gym is tue + thu so when I started tuesday I said lemme do some chest and bicepts, big mistake btw. when I went home after I was tired and couldnt lift my eyebrow. Wed(first day of KB of 3 years) alread mash up from day before went into gym expecting to do some technical stuff concerning actual kickboxing, instead for 2 hours we did cardio, pushups, sit ups, etc. imagine the state I was in after that.
anyhooo we usually do 1/2 hr cardio before training. i'll ease up on d weights ftw
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yes crixx, i'm here
ok, i've read everything said so far n while i see things i can use. i'd appreciate some individual help
how many of uall in chaguanas n train there ?
i'm about 5'11, 175lbs, scrawny as hell with a big stomach, would like to lose about 4 inches off my waist. im willin to make sacrifices n change my diet to add muscle n get up to 200
my conditioning is utter crap due to stressful work n school conditions along with allergies that affect my breathin/lungs, also my arms are particularly weak.
what are the best solutions for me ?
thanks
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Start with some cardio to get rid of the fat... run for a half hour a day or do some other form of cardio .
Cut out all unecessary sugars and carbs from your diet- no soft drink , little or no juice , very few snacks. No alcohol.
Add alot of vegetables to your diet to fill you up, cut back on the stuff with carbs, white bread.. potatoes, pasta. Keep the meat but make sure it isn't too fatty.
Start lifting weights , pump iron for an hour or two if you can handle it, do pushups and crunches.
Your BMI is 24.4, quite close to the limit of 25 , anything above 25 is overweight... So watch what you eat.
Just basic tips... if you want to look like a body builder you'll need alot more advice, but this should be enough to start you off.
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man say no alcohol boy eddy lol lol
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i'm about 5'11, 175lbs, scrawny as hell with a big stomach, would like to lose about 4 inches off my waist. im willin to make sacrifices n change my diet to add muscle n get up to 200
my conditioning is utter crap due to stressful work n school conditions along with allergies that affect my breathin/lungs, also my arms are particularly weak.
what are the best solutions for me ?
thanks
Well, from what I've read, if you're described as 'scrawny with a big belly', that's a sure sign that you're not eating properly balanced meals. I've had that same problem a while back, and I noticed one thing- having three square meals a day is very good for you. Seriously....they tell you that for a reason. Ever since I got back to eating three squares a day, my weight has been slowly but surely dropping to an acceptable level (of course, water and exercise doesn't hurt). When I was skipping breakfast, it had the bad side effect of making me crave food BAD during lunch, hence the weight gain.
Now, there's a bit of advice I've seen here that I have to discount entirely based on personal experience.
cut back on the stuff with carbs, white bread.. potatoes, pasta. Keep the meat but make sure it isn't too fatty.
Do NOT follow the Atkins diet if you're going to do any form of weight lifting or heavy exercise.
The carbs process fat in foods into energy, as such, if you start cutting back on them, you will drop like a STONE during weight training. The rest of the advice is pretty sound, but I can tell you that the reduction of carbs definitely did not work out for me. Different strokes for different folks, perhaps.
If you want some examples of lean meats to eat as part of your diet, Turkey Breast is always a good option. Also, if you must snack on anything, water and fruits.
Your workout should focus on two major areas, namely cardio and abdominals, like Trini said. If you're just starting out, though, I suggest just going for an hour and taking it light for now, working your way up (since it's apparent that you would be new to the workout scheme.)
As for adding muscle, I'll let the others guide you on that. Nothing a few regular workouts wouldn't fix, I'm sure, but adding weight usually involves the use of some protein powders or something like that.
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NEO i have to disagree with your views on carbs there buddy.
In the ideal world carbs are a necessary thing but in the world we live in, we live with extremely dense carbs.
THe breads we eat are very dense, the JUICES AND SOFTDRINKS we drink are super dense with sugars..
Its not that carbs are evil, its that the foods we eat have wayyyyyyyy to much carbs in them and contain farrr to many calories for us to utilize.
Like i was telling edvedder before he needs to do enuff reading to find a diet that has a good enough balance of macro nutrients to but your body in a caloric deficit needed to loose weight.
As for the issue of gaining mass, i also explained that is an issue seperate and apart from the loosing weight.
He should change his diet to tackle the weight loss in his stomach first, and then do whats necessary to build muscle mass after.
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necro? but for good reason. Gyms. Where do you guys think is best for me around Trincity area? Im about 220lbs and 6ft 3inches. All I wanna do for now is lose excess weight and tone a bit. No serious muscle gain or anything like that. Where should I go?
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the savannah
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If u don't mind going as far as Eldo, u could check out Crunch Fitness at the corner of Eldorado Road and the Eastern Main Road.
Lots of machines, cool people and trainers always there to help @ $200 per month.
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Thanks Rage. You know if Millennium Fitness(centre of ex) any good?
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I heard that they're OK, but expensive. $300-$400 per month I believe.
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Cool thanks
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at 6'3 extrapolating from myself at 6.1 your ideal weight is between 190 and 200
thats 20 or so lbs of weight loss for you
save yo money homey
p90x!!! fo dat
(and you could join queens park judo club as well)
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spot on, 190 - 200 is ideal for 6' 1"
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at 6'3 extrapolating from myself at 6.1 your ideal weight is between 190 and 200
thats 20 or so lbs of weight loss for you
save yo money homey
p90x!!! fo dat
(and you could join queens park judo club as well)
the man hadda kno himself. if he believes that he won't stick to any program at home, best he goes to the gym. 20lbs is A LOT to loose so i
wouldn't exactly suggest to save his money and workout home like ain't nottin (i went from 219 to 164 and counting, so i would kno how hard weight-loss is).
P90X would work, but u have to be able to push yourself. i lazy no arse, so the enjoyment of working out wit friends (and scopin' out the honeys :mellow:)
gives me the encouragement i need. but again, u kno youself.
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at 6'3 extrapolating from myself at 6.1 your ideal weight is between 190 and 200
thats 20 or so lbs of weight loss for you
Wut?
Ideal? What exactly does 'ideal' mean? The man should work till he likes what he sees in the mirror. Everyone has different body types and body structure.
Admittedly, individuals not looking to gain muscle would probably do well to be following general BMI guidelines (your 190-200 would put him around 23-25 I'd guess on BMI). But anyone with serious training ambitions shouldn't look at those figures and think that's where they need to be aiming imo. They should look a lot higher if they're trying to look like they work out.
Personally I'm around 5'8" or 5'9", weigh 173 and as far as I'm concerned I would still rank myself as bone thin despite having a BMI at around 26.
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Im aiming at 190 actually. Once I reach tehre I wanna go for toning. And I know P90x wont work for me cuz lik Rage I am lazy and stuff like that aint gonna cut it.
Gonna check Crunch and Millennium on saturday maybe. But for now, I'll go for a 6laps around Eddie Hart.
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5' 8", 173 and bone thin? lol
how? You have adamantium claws hidden in your structure?
the bmi works across physiques. Models, Fighters, Weight Lifters.
Sure it gets throwed off a bit if a woman has extra large boobs, an oversized butt or if a guy is top heavy. Its not perfect but its a damn good guide.
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I eh know why he fighting the BMI
and de man did say he looking to lose the extra weight, about 20 lbs, which would drop him soldily in his ideal weight on the BMI index.
Ek if yuh know yuh eh have de discipline for the whole p90x, then cool big yourself in ah gym but throwing in the structure of the p90x when you can do it, will bring you really quick results.
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well i dunno what work for y'all but changing me diet first led to allot of weight loss for me, coupled with my own lil regiment i dropped allot of weight, max i weighed in at 200 i just under 5' 8" i come in at just under 155 now
for me...
no soft drink...i drink pear drax yesterday and i feel like i get insta diabetus
no snacks/snaking...i fking love biscrem....how that taste again...
no simple carb/high starch foods...white rice/flour/potatoes
no processed meats...anything that come in a vaccume seal pack, there are exceptions but they usually to expensive to consider unless you REAL wanna lose weight
no fast food...at all...i not kidding, to give an example, i eat 1 doubles the other day and i feel like i over eat
no alcohol...if you a regular drinker (1-2 a day) cut that shit out to only when you liming with crew
i fking LOVE coffee so i couldn't cut that out, i just took less sugar and put a little less when brewing, i figure if i kept at least one indulgence it would make it easier, i was right.
drink water where you would any other beverage, or tea, not no choca-vanilla-whachamawhoit-from moondoes i mean green or lipton
beaking up meals into 5-6 smaller ones will help, eating enough just not to feel hungry theory is you build up and keep your metabolism, not sure how true it is but it seems to help
exercise-wise i start with
10 push ups
10 lunges per leg
10 twist per love handle, thats right chubby, i know you has them, they hard as fk to get rid of
10 jumping jacks
google how to do those properly, you would be shocked the diff properly doing them will make, and they harder than they sound
rinse and repeat for no less than 3 reps every other day if you miss a day, add on a rep to the next day
did those until i could do em without sweating or feeling sore/tired then added on a rep, eventually i worked up to 20 pushups 20 lunges 40 twist 20 jacks at about 5 reps every other day
end result
NO MORE MOOBS/TRUFFLE SHUFFLE AND PPL DOH RECOGNIZED ME (stretch marks however...) (http://www.xiledgaming.com/forum/imagehosting/23983498b42526df54.gif)
i shit you not
btw...any tips on how to quit smoking... :cowboy:
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trufffleee shuffleee ftmfwwwwwwww
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the bmi works across physiques. Models, Fighters, Weight Lifters.
Sure it gets throwed off a bit if a woman has extra large boobs, an oversized butt or if a guy is top heavy. Its not perfect but its a damn good guide.
I don't agree. It generally works fine for people who don't do any serious weight training and it could work I suppose for women who do serious weight training. But any guy that has any kind of real muscle is going to throw BMI out of whack immediately, easily clocking over 25 and possibly even clocking over 30 (obese lol?)
Anyway to help with the actual problem at hand, try this:
http://www.hotnfit.com/ecstack.htm (http://www.hotnfit.com/ecstack.htm)
Just follow the instructions properly so you don't kill yourself or something (srs).
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I just noticed this thread, and funny enough, after 3 years of not being in a gym, i've only started back last week.
I'm about 5'8", but i weight about 120 lbs.
I used to be in gym about 3 years ago, and i started putting on some decent muscle mass, but i had gotten sick (vomitting for an entire week) and in one week i lost most of it.
But now in 2010, i finally have the time as i'm not doing any summer courses or certificates, and i've started back at the gym. I'm really enjoying my work out regime of gym 4 times a week.
But my concern is, should i start taking supplements? As of right now, i'm not any anything besides good eating habits, and i stay away from carbonated soft drinks, i mostly drink water really.
As well, should i buy into the whole whey powder, and protein powder thing?
Any advice?
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Yes, and no.
Yes because it will definitely help, and no because until you're sure that you're back you might as well not go all in. While you might think you're back and definitely have the motivation and whatnot, until you're at it for at least a few months it's still just something new to your life.
Remember that supplements are just that, supplements. Your regular diet should be doing most of the heavy lifting. I would suggest not wasting money on protein powder until you're sure that this is going to be a regular thing in your life for several years.
Until then you'll be fine drinking some chocolate milk immediately after your workout and eating a proper meal 1-2 hours after.
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God.. i cant honestly Fathom what its like to be 120 lbs...
i was that weight at like 11
:( how alyuh men does like... exist?
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yeah, the bad thing about spending all that money on supplements and working out at the gym, is that all the gains can be lost in a fraction of the time you spent putting them on.
it really sucks but that's the reality.
lol @ truffle shuffles. hahhahah
more lol @ 10 push ups.
I hover around 40 right now. Wanna get serious and push that up to 50 in the next couple of months.
sticking with these programs is a real chore. I keep slacking off as other priorities take center stage (damn you battlefield!)