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Tech Talk => Hardware, Tweaking & Networking => Graphics Cards => Topic started by: W1nTry on August 24, 2009, 02:07:52 PM
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The word is Sept 10th 2009 launch date with 24-25th being the date you can get ur hands on it, and check out some stuff posted on another forum of a demo they were privi to:
http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=7640 (http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=7640)
A video of DX11 at work on a new titles we're mostly familiar with: Dirt2
PC Perspective Hardware Workshop - DiRT 2 DX11 Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZAwniLT22U&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pcper.com%2Fcomments.php%3Fnid%3D7640&feature=player_embedded#ws-normal)
I got the word from a person in the know and i'll try to find the original reference to the date.
Update: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3965205 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3965205)
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Where's the link that confirms Sept 10th as the release date?
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Evergreen will be 1.6 times faster (http://www.techspot.com/news/36031-ATIs-next-generation-video-card-to-be-16x-faster.html) than an hd4870? Interesting. I cant wait to see the numbers, also, Nvidia's response.
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Prices lookin kinda hefty (http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/17529)...
If the performance as wicked as predicted, I could understand, but JAH!!!
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Ouch. So let me get this straight.
HD4870x2 is $370
2x HD 4870 is $300
then...whats compelling one to pay $400 for a 5870, assuming that the "1.6 times faster" assertion is correct, when the older gen offers the same performance for less?
I mean, this is strictly speaking from an upgrader's point of view. Those starting from 0 need not apply.
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As I always say, it only makes sense to do a major GPU upgrade if the new card is at least two times
faster than what you have presently. Let me see the actual performance data. If it aint that much
more powerful, I'll just sit out this gen. My pocket will love me for it. :)
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As I always say, it only makes sense to do a major GPU upgrade if the new card is at least two times
faster than what you have presently. Let me see the actual performance data. If it aint that much
more powerful, I'll just sit out this gen. My pocket will love me for it. :)
sense, alot of it you talk.
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Allyuh KNOW allyuh want one. Just that the price is a bit high. Will seriously consider a 5850 if the price and performance is right.
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http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15454/1/ (http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15454/1/)
(http://www.fudzilla.com/images/stories/2009/September/General%20News/amd_hd5870_1.jpg)
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*screams at the power consumption of these cards!!*
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DUYAMN... that screaming @ power better be because its' DAMN GOOD! No changes in the current price structure of the HD4xxx series have been seen yet, so i'll just keep waiting to see the price drops :)
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I'm actually glad I invested in the X2 when I did, because that 5870 wont be smelling me soon.
I don't think it will even outperform my X2, and if it does, its probably not by much.
The compulsion to upgrade has all but evaporated...by force too. (Yeah, you read right :lol:)
* Speculates on 5870X2 performance *
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If the projected prices for the Evergreens are correct, that means you can take the older gen, double it and get performance on par a single 5870 because lets face it, a LOT of machines that would see an evergreen would be higher end ones, 99% of which support crossfire. Dont forget, a pair of 4870's already cost $80 to $100us less eh. So if they drop prices of the current crop of cards, making it even CHEAPER to get evergreen-like performance with non evergreen parts, AMD will be esentially shooting themselves in the foot as very little people will go with the newer gen because there is no reason to.
The way I see it, those projected prices are crazy. Each one of those first launches will have to sell for a good $50us LESS in order for those parts to START to make any kinna sense.
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The compulsion to upgrade has all but evaporated...by force too. (Yeah, you read right :lol:)
Indeed... that is a SERIOUS force to recon with XD
@ Capn, it's called the Halo effect, they are bringing out TOP end cards and the spinoffs are what will make the dough.
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AMD's making quite a hullaballo with its next generation ATI graphics parts. The company held a press conference to unveil the new graphics processors but didn't spill all the beans just yet. Outside of some really big numbers that we can mention, the new GPUs support a brand new feature called Eyefinity, a method by which to connect up to six monitors to a single video card.
Yes, you read that right - six monitors. No limitations either. Feel free to hookup six gigantic 30" displays if you want. Not all the new video cards will support six outputs, but three seems to be the new minimum. ATI's reasoning behind enabling support for so many monitors actually makes a lot of sense. While most of us can't afford a single 30" LCD (let alone six of them), grabbing three 20" LCDs can cost as low as $400. Six quality displays can easily be had for less than $1000 if you want to go all out.
Another piece of madness
You don't have to imagine what World of Warcraft would look like at 7680x3200, because you can actually do it.
And when i think dat crazy, hear some numbers
The new GPU will have 2.15 billion transistors, and will be capable of over 2.5 TFLOPs. To put those numbers in perspective, ATI's current generation Radeon HD 4890 has less than half as many transistors, and is capable of around 1 TFLOPs.
Source: http://www.gamespot.com/hardware/blogs/hardware-insider/909185655/27034567/amd-unveils-eyefinity-and-next-gen-radeon-gpu.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=picks&tag=picks;title;2 (http://www.gamespot.com/hardware/blogs/hardware-insider/909185655/27034567/amd-unveils-eyefinity-and-next-gen-radeon-gpu.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=picks&tag=picks;title;2)
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Yeah there's going to be cards supporting 3 and 6 monitors.
Extended desktop across 6 monitos would be awesome though, Especially if there's an option to put them in rows, 3 on top, 3 below and have all 6 make one big display...and have it work for everything including games.
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TALK DONE...
SOURCE (http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.czechgamer.com%2Fnovinky%2F5055%2FATI-Radeon-HD-5870-prvni-benchmarky-jsou-venku.html&sl=cs&tl=en&history_state0=)
(http://www.czechgamer.com/pics/clanky/RobertVarga_14-09-2009-11-29-47_hd5870hawx.jpg)
(http://www.czechgamer.com/pics/clanky/RobertVarga_14-09-2009-11-29-47_hd5870vantage.jpg)
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* Radeon HD 5850 - > $279-299;
* Radeon HD 5870 - > $379-399;
* Radeon HD 5870 X2 - > $599.
think that's it
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Good performance, but that $400us a pop is still more than a little hard to swallow.
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Wait nah...ONE 5870 outperforming a 4870X2!!? :awesome: True, its not by a whole lot, but still...
Now I can understand the price premium.
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ATI GETTING ON STINK, WDMC
SOURCE (http://www.arabhardware.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1051561&postcount=42)
(http://www.czechgamer.com/add_logo.php?sourcefile=pics/clanky/RobertVarga_14-09-2009-19-28-21_hd5870benchmark.jpg)
(http://i32.tinypic.com/58it1.png)
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*considers putting kidney up on Trading Grounds to buy a 5870 X2*
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the king is dead, long live the king!
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mine included.....
I wonder what the power draw is gonna be like?
I'll have to plug in a generator directly to this card?
This looks to be twice as fast as my current 4870 (at least) so that puts it square in my upgrade path.
The jump from 8800 - 4870 was really a baby one. Just clawed me back in the top 20 rigs but hardly a double in performance.
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STEUPSSSSSS noob, ah telling yuh, ATi come real hard... d cards dem STINKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
(http://resources.vr-zone.com/image_deposit/up2/12528414289e3e668992.jpg)
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/me starts shaving his hair to sell
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*considers putting kidney up on Trading Grounds to buy a 5870 X2*
Throw up yuh 9800gx2 instead. Dunno what board taking kidneys these days nah.
rofl. i'll have to sell that too. dem tings real expensive. but i'll save my money for the Green Machine. they'll pwn all in their way.
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Calm down Philo... :laughing7:
I think we all knew there would be pwnage. What is truly amazing here is that this 5870 is a SINGLE-GPU card,
which is pwning DUAL-GPU cards from the last gen so significantly.
I am truly impressed.
My question is: do we now truly have a card that can wtfpwn Crysis at any resolution?
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Well look at that. Crysis Warhead is easily the most demanding game on the list and it is VERY playable on a single 5870. It will be interesting to see what graphzilla's response would be to all this.
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i gone from net for a weekend and all this happen?
i expected great things from red team but HAWT DYAM! that is a fast as gpu!
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Those cards kick ass, been reading all the concerns about the price premium, but with numbers like that, i think its worth it, rarely do you see, the new gen of cards, doubling the performance of the old gen. and there are some other things to note.
Better Power Consumption, Eyefinity, DX11, Havock Physics (Starcraft 2 uses this, its all over)
The eyefinity is a big boon for those with 24/30" monitors also, the 2560*1600 resolution kicks my current rig's ass. i dont know what amd do, but as can see in the benches, the 5870 handles that resolution quiet comfortably.
Note on 5870x2:
Amd say, they dont want the x2 to basically be 2 5870s stuck together, so the clocks on the x2 is going to be significantly faster than the single 5870. so d x2 wil blow out 5870 cf, JAH!
Edit:
AMD says another goal is to reduce the performance hit incurred when enabling AA/AF, so they doubled up on all the tech that produces these effects, so when you enable AA/AF you wont see a significant performance hit, and the benchmarks also reflects this. Nvidia's card suffered 40FPS drop with a raise in AA/AF whiles the ati card suffered only 15fps (See COD & L4D Benchies [2560*1600 res] )
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http://www.guru3d.com/news/radeon-5700-gpus-priced-from-149-199-usd/ (http://www.guru3d.com/news/radeon-5700-gpus-priced-from-149-199-usd/)
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Hmm well I guess i'll have to purchase a 5870... since the idea imho when upgrading video cards is to get at LEAST 2x the performance to make it worth your while... since i'm still sporting the old but venerated 8800GT==HD4670 (if I recall THG comparison) then i'd need at least the 5850 to make the transition worth the while.
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We need to see more numbers for a 5850. I think $300 is my limit for any one card. Hopefully i'll be able to run bastard crossfire with one of my 4870's
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hmmm new sources believe that the hd5870 could retail for as low as $350. If so, I can seriously go ahead and handle myself a standard version.
http://vr-zone.com/articles/sapphire-ati-radeon-hd-58505870-pictured/7687.html?doc=7687 (http://vr-zone.com/articles/sapphire-ati-radeon-hd-58505870-pictured/7687.html?doc=7687)
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http://www.guru3d.com/news/tomorrow-23rd-of-september-2009/ (http://www.guru3d.com/news/tomorrow-23rd-of-september-2009/)
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Reviews tomorrow? If so, let me get ready to...
(http://hq3gp.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/noyphh-295x300.jpg)
...all through those reviews. :laughing7:
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wtf rofl rofl rofl
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well if it kicks the 48xx series down a 50 bucks i'm good :lol:
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dem cards still have only 1GB Ram? Why?
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That's the entry level 5870. The higher end model has 6 display outputs and 2gb of ram on board. That's a good debut proce though. Amazon is almost certain to have a lower price. Newegg doesnt so you any favours.
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http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643 (http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643)
close to twice as fast as a GTX285 , i feel that the nvidia will beat it slightly but be much more expensive and power hungry. ATI's die size went from 280mm to 350ish mm after doubling the number of stream processors, Nvidia's will go from 400ish to a higher number probably , and not be able to compete on price.
Looks like a round of ATI domination unless nvidia manages a miracle.
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like ah man was jus hittin' the refresh button Anantech page boi. lol. anyway, nvidia always had my money. yes, i am a fanboy :happy0203:.
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hmmm good performance. Will upgrade eventually, not enough performance to get me excited enough to do a quick upgrade. 4870x2 does too well against it. 2 5870's is another story though...but the price.
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hmmm good performance. Will upgrade eventually, not enough performance to get me excited enough to do a quick upgrade. 4870x2 does too well against it. 2 5870's is another story though...but the price.
So wha yuh REALLY trying to say? :laughing7:
This is exactly my point though. I mean, if one was to fall off a truck somewhere then hell yeah I'd get it.
Anything below a HD4870X2, well, these new HD58xx's are no-brainers for a super-upgrade.
Still, the PRICE though. Men get spoil by falling prices over the last few months.
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WOW!!! THAT is what I call a performance review!!!
Nearly every current game was tested there. Can't complain. I think every question
was answered for me performance-wise.
...and to allay your fears about power consumtion Noob, its actually better (http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/17618/15)with this gen.
Imagine TWO 5870s in Crossfire actually draws less power than ONE 4890. :awesome:
The power draw of a single 5870 at full load is nothing to scoff at either. Its certainly better than my 4870 X2,
even while achieving just about the same performance, and a little more in a few cases.
Nice, very nice indeedy.
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Boy, if ah X2 going and perform ah lil better than 5870 Crossfire, then JAH!
I juss playing d waiting game for that X2 :)
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#21 - HIS HD 5870 1GB GDDR5 Video Card Unboxing Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNFkENcaJV4#ws-normal)
5870 Unboxing
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As THIS guy (http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6278/vaporware630px.jpg) (http://img10.imageshack.us/i/vaporware630px.jpg/)
would say HAIL TO THE KING BABY
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WOW!!! THAT is what I call a performance review!!!
Nearly every current game was tested there. Can't complain. I think every question
was answered for me performance-wise.
...and to allay your fears about power consumtion Noob, its actually better (http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/17618/15)with this gen.
Imagine TWO 5870s in Crossfire actually draws less power than ONE 4890. :awesome:
The power draw of a single 5870 at full load is nothing to scoff at either. Its certainly better than my 4870 X2,
even while achieving just about the same performance, and a little more in a few cases.
Nice, very nice indeedy.
Wow this is a must get oui, power consumption was a big deal for me, but i want to see the X2 performance to price ratio first.
Altogether GG ATI.
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Wow this is a must get oui, power consumption was a big deal for me, but i want to see the X2 performance to price ratio first.
Altogether GG ATI.
If the 5870 is 378$ ruffly, say 350$ when prices drop, and the X2 is 550-600, say 550$ when price drops. then 2 * 5870 CF = 700$ Minimum vs Sinlge X2 = 550$ for same, maybe even better performance? The Performance ro price ration is going to be sick, and im almost sure, a Single X2 will draw less power then 2 * 5870s.
Just look at the previous gen, single 4870X2 blow out 2 * 4870, at lest cost, less power draw. 5800 series is no different.
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VAPOR-X 5870 SPOTTED
(http://www.techpowerup.com/img/09-09-23/39c.jpg)
SAUCE: http://www.techpowerup.com/index.php?104447 (http://www.techpowerup.com/index.php?104447)
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SUWHEEEET!!!!!! though it'll fetch an even higher premium than its stock counterpart...
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http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5870-crossfirex-test-review/ (http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5870-crossfirex-test-review/)
Crossfire Review
Also, these fellers below, have to most useful benchmarks of all, this is what i check to see what card performance really like, becuase it includes a very important mostly committed bench....MINIMUM FPS!
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=842 (http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=842) check it out
Edit:
Well guys, as u can see, is not juss about trying to get bess fps and actually run ah game, dis series of card bring we back to d days of gpus meaning what they suppose to be meant for, Image Quality, and as u can see here http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=842&pageid=3 (http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=842&pageid=3) , ati has won this round.
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Yeah...but if I had to sacrifice image quality to increase fps, I really wouldn't have a problem with that.
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thats just it, ati has added the image quality whiles maintaining good fps.
Update:
http://www.guru3d.com/news/ati-dualgpu-hemlock-to-cost-less-than-500/ (http://www.guru3d.com/news/ati-dualgpu-hemlock-to-cost-less-than-500/)
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THIS IS A REALLY FREAKING LONG CARD YO!
(http://www.techpowerup.com/img/09-09-25/50b.jpg)
SAUCE: http://www.techpowerup.com/104586/AMD_Radeon_HD_5870_X2_Pictured.html (http://www.techpowerup.com/104586/AMD_Radeon_HD_5870_X2_Pictured.html)
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^^^ HAHAHAHAHAHAHA MANDINGO!!!!!!!
Yuh go have to cut a hole in yuh case for dat to fit!
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EGAD!!!
I just saw that pic on TechReport myself. LOL @ 'Mandingo'. (Sounds like something I would say).
Only full towers need apply. I can see that extending right down into a drive bay.
I can also see lots of full tower cases selling this Christmas.
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lol @ mandingo
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that video card has alotta ass man!! jeez!!
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Hey ATI, im really happy for you, that's one big ass card and imma let you finish make it and finalise your clock speeds, but Voodoo had some of the biggest ass cards of all time...all time.
(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n310/daaaknite/3dfx_Voodoo5_Trio_Top.jpg)
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yea, voodoo was doin dual gpu ages now, until nasty nvidia buy dem :)
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Hey ATI, im really happy for you, that's one big ass card and imma let you finish make it and finalise your clock speeds, but Voodoo had some of the biggest ass cards of all time...all time.
(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n310/daaaknite/3dfx_Voodoo5_Trio_Top.jpg)
HAHAHAHA!!!
Just couldn't help yourself there eh? :laughing7:
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gotta love good ole voodoo cards
had one myself.. till it ran real hot and died some years ago..great cards
but ATi doing nvidia a real scn now!
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HD5850 reviews:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/09/30/amds_ati_radeon_hd_5850_video_card_review (http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/09/30/amds_ati_radeon_hd_5850_video_card_review)
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=20481 (http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=20481)
http://hothardware.com/Articles/AMD-ATI-Radeon-HD-5850-Performance-Review/ (http://hothardware.com/Articles/AMD-ATI-Radeon-HD-5850-Performance-Review/)
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=788 (http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=788)
http://techreport.com/articles.x/17652 (http://techreport.com/articles.x/17652)
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Ah boy...57xx series iwmc (http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/17747). DX11 goodness on tha 'cheap'....
(http://www.techreport.com/r.x/radeon-hd-5700/cards-both.jpg)
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Now this is funny...
http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/17819 (http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/17819)
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That is funny indeed. Not so much for those that own them though.
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Hmm...
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AMD/ATI has been busy recently launching one card after the another. First they launched the high end HD 5870 and HD 5850 accelerators. Few weeks later they launched the more mainstream oriented parts in the form of HD 5770 and HD 5750. Recent reports have given birth to fresh speculation when these device IDs were found in leaked drivers
(http://alienbabeltech.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/HD5970f_thumb1.jpg)
MORE HERE: http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=12606 (http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=12606)
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THAT THING IS HUGE! GEEZAN!
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http://www.guru3d.com/news/radeon---hd-5870-x2-hd-5970-benchmarks-and-images-surcface-/ (http://www.guru3d.com/news/radeon---hd-5870-x2-hd-5970-benchmarks-and-images-surcface-/)
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What I REALLY studying is how they get 4 GHz with only 1.24 Vcore...THEN I noticed
the CPU is a D0 version.
Good LORD that thing is huge...Lex Steele huge. :laughing7:
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Yeah the D0 have some extra jitsu. The 06 score is not that impressive I believe due to it not being able to harness the superb power of these cards, but them Vantage scores dred. My lord. I wonder what pricing is like. Go hadda pull a tape to see if i'll get it to fit in ma case too!!!
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...as yuh talk bout pricing. :(
http://brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/10/27/amd-set-to-increase-radeon-hd-5800-prices.aspx (http://brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/10/27/amd-set-to-increase-radeon-hd-5800-prices.aspx)
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Hmm... that's no good... prices going up on account of bad yields... looks like my purchase will have to wait.
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Guys like Charlie Demerjian would have us believe that low yields is a problem Nvidia experiences alone, but now it is shown that is not the case. Then again, BSN did not give a reason for the "problems" associated with the low yields, whether it be chip defects or what have you. One thing is for certain, that HD5970 WILL cost no less than $650 when it hits.
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650$ jah, dats steep. and my D0 juss waitin on my rest of parts :), purchasing begins friday :)
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More presha (http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/17864) for the 5800 series...
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Reading on you realize that this doesn't seem to affect the smaller Juniper cores where are the BREAD AND BUTTER of DAAMIT. So this not really hurting them that much, whereas when Nvidia had issues, it affected their entire line.
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...this doesn't seem to affect the smaller Juniper cores where are the BREAD AND BUTTER of DAAMIT...
...aka the 5700 series.
I talkin bout the 5800 series, which IS being affected, hence their very low availability.
Reading is fun. :)
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But you do understand what winny trying to say right arc? Most people would go for the lower end 5700 series, and since that has no (less?) issues, it wont really affect bottom line that much.
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Good to see reading is fun, Capn is a reader XD
Whilst the 'Halo effect' is good for adding to consumer interest, most ppl won't buy 58xx BUT the reviewers and the high end gaming rigs by your alienwares, etc all point to the HD5xxx series being 'THE SH1T" so DAAMIT already has the 'Halo Effect' in effect. So really with the high availability of their 57xx parts, they are still looking good. The naysaying has less of a leg to stand on in this instance than Nvidia had in theirs.
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I am looking at the 58xx issue as separate and apart from everything else because that is what I would buy,
and this issue would make the price of those cards higher. It matters not to me what 'the masses' will go for.
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I still feel compelled to wait until January to see what nvidia's response would be like. Not to say that the upgrade bug wont biite and bite HARD lil later this month...
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The only thing is there is not official release date on Nvidia's response... so that wait could well be till March 10.
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http://www.guru3d.com/news/amd-gpu-shortage-to-affect-vendors/ (http://www.guru3d.com/news/amd-gpu-shortage-to-affect-vendors/)
What gpu i going to put in my new rig now if i cant get my hands on an X2, JAH!
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Use 2x 5870 when available or 4x5770 XD
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yea was thinkin that, but d 5870s scarce too, and 4x5770 go be expensive , especialy if i liquid cool dem.
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I don't really think you'll need to water cool the 5770, remember they are already smaller cooler parts than their parents. You could perhaps use better air cooling via addin coolers but otherwise I think it is more likely unnecessary.
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but imagine the amount of stress they could take then...
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rv7xx hits a serious oc wall at a certain point regardless of how good your cooling is. Im doubt that rv8xx will be that much different.
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http://www.guru3d.com/news/radeon-hd-5970-hemlock-specifications-surface/ (http://www.guru3d.com/news/radeon-hd-5970-hemlock-specifications-surface/)
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Like all a we miss this one today...
5970 review (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3679&p=1) iwmc.
"There are two things that become very clear when looking at our data for the 5970
1. It’s hands down the fastest single card on the market
2. It’s so fast that it’s wasted on a single monitor"
:awesome:
...and talk about 'mandingo' length...
(http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/video/ati/5970/everything.jpg)
GTX 295, 5970, 5870, 5850, 5770
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Lol @ Mandingo reference
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is not dat i eh see it, since last night i tracking it, is dat, i too busy scouring d bleddy internet, trying to find one to BUY!
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cyah find dese things to buy no where, wah d bargee.
i pre-order sapphire from amazon.
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Hemlock is now unavailable everywhere. Even on newegg.
It not even listed as out of stock. They are all deactivated.
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But it WAS available on newegg for some time at least a week
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Waaayyyyyy...supplies SO bad?
I knew there was a reason why I just didn't want one. I'm kida glad now that I went the 5850 route.
When everybody realises the uber price/performance value of 2 x 5850, those will become extinct as well.
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Even the 5850s keep going in and out of stock. Nowhere can you find it below $300us now. That $274 I got them for was a fluke just as i suspected.
I thought TSMC yields were improving.
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Check THIS one out...
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_paqt-nH_A3U/S0fxbMyMraI/AAAAAAAAAbc/xQpS3FMZvOs/s800/Capture08-01-2010-23.00.09.jpg)
Eyefinity in action (http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/samsung-and-ati-team-on-syncmaster-md230-mega-displays-for-wide/) at CES 2010.
...I think I just shat myself. :awesome:
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2 4870's gave me high frames, but the 5850's giving me buttery smoothness that the 48 could not always supply. Not to mention maxed out aa and textures.
Pure bliss.
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5850 @ $285 @ the friendly neighbourhood amazon
This is a buy or no buy @ that price?
http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graphics-100282SR/dp/B002R5AB8W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1263044276&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graphics-100282SR/dp/B002R5AB8W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1263044276&sr=1-1)
hmm, I see a single 5850 beats a 4870x2 @ 1920x1200
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_hd5850/15.htm (http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_hd5850/15.htm)
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definitely worth it if you can spare the coin.
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my 4870 might be hitting the trading grounds soon yes.
but then again, I just being greedy...all my games running @ max already.
Think I'll hold my hand till Christmas yes. Change cpu and gpu then.
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hrmm i say wait an get the 5870... worth the wait...imo
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More ting (http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/18284) from AMD?
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Well, the tigers are out of the bag now its time for thealley cats to be liberated.
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HD 5670 confirmed (http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/Pages/ati-radeon-hd-5670-jan-13-2010.aspx) and review is out. (http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3720)
maybe 9800gtx+ class performance for less than $100us
Sounds like a sweet deal to me.
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...wow...not to mention DX11 too.
GJ AMD...once again.
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The WIN just keeps on rolling
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Well folks the stop gap for the 5770-5850 has arrived in the form of a 5830. Here's a review on Tom's Hardware (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5830,2564.html)
The long and short though: (The Good)
With the introduction of its Radeon HD 5830, AMD has now filled the most obvious price gap in its DirectX 11-capable lineup. The company has also given us another powerful card that takes the torch from the Radeon HD 4890, as it is sent out to pasture.
(The Bad)
What's the worst thing we can say about the new Radeon HD 5830? Well, its launch price is $80 higher than most of the Radeon HD 5770 cards in the wild, and only $60 less than most of the Radeon HD 5850s available. Based on relative performance, this relationship should probably be reversed, as the new card performs much closer to the 5770 than the 5850.
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I shook my head when I read this article this morning. At $240, all one needs to do is put another $60us ($35us in my case when I bought mine) and get a 5850.
The 5830 is not smaller, cooler,quieter in fact it sucks MORE power than the stock 5850 because it is clocked higher to compensate for the lack of ROP's.
Bottom line, there is no excuse for getting this inferior part. If you run out of money in your budget, cheap out on the memory, get a slower cpu, forget the sound card or whatever it takes to get you at least the 5850.
Im a bit surprised at the price point this thing is at, but then again not so much because OBVIOUSLY tsmc is still having serious issues with yield for the 40nm process. We're in March basically and availability of parts seem to be no better than it was at Christmas.
Come end of March when (if?) Fermi does indeed see the light of day, I predict a new set of games called the Browser Olympics will be born where only the best Browser Olympiads will be able to get their hands on one of those cards.
I call dibs as founder of this sport. I cant wait to say "let the games begin".
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Wait... i'm sure in the review despite the 5830 having a higher power rating, it was better at full load than the 5850.... (temp and power wise) also keep in mind it's a crippled 5870 not a crippled 5850... That's just me. I have to agree though why not find the extra few buck and spring for the 5850... let's wait to see if there is a 'soft mod' 5830-5870' in the pipe, yuh know with these limited release products it'd be good publicity when ppl can do that (at least sometimes) it give ppl things to write about and rave about.... just food for thought.
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Indeed, interesting thought. Maybe we can have a repeat of the nvidia 6800 vanilla 12 pipe card with 4 unlockable pipes that put the card VERY close to the 6800gt and within spitting distance of the gtx.
Only then would it make sense...in fact, that will be something of a wet dream for those who get their hands on one.
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Browser olympics, lol capt that began with ebay, this just makes it a non pro sport and now a consumer feeding frenzy.
BTw I got my 5850 for $260 off amazon, now waiting for it to get close again for another :D
Oh my 920 just came in, the broswer olympic athletes beat be to the $499 960 tray special, there were like a 1000 going for that price and in less than 10 min all were gone, meh the lagg between Trinidad and amazon was enough for me not to get one I guess.
Oh a cool note on the 5850 oc ability, I had a crazy idea of using a vacuum cleaner to SUCK air from the vent ports
crazy but it did work to allow this
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/aungn/ (http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/aungn/)
990 core 1215 ram, tho the card caused a bosd ass soon as I hit submit and complete cause I wasn't holding the vacuum to it :D
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AMD-ATI supposedly have a refresh of Evergreen ready in case Fermi turns out to be a monster , if they can get their refreshed gpu to run at anywhere near Prowl's overclocks ^^ they may have nothing to worry about from fermi, even if fermi is 30% faster than a 5870 , a superclocked evergreen card would shrink that margin to 15 or 10% and still be sold at a lower price point than Fermi.
Plus the new 'Northern islands' architecture at year end .
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your assuming that fermi even gets off the ground.
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@ The vacuum idea, it's similar to a certain cooling solution for the Xbox 360, use it only temporarily, prolonged use WILL burn out the fans in your system.
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I love the vacuum cleaner idea. Interesting.
Nice speeds though. What board partner did u choose?
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Thats the sapphire 5850, original edition, beats crixx's lasco fan :D
oh ya I custom wrote the bios speed limits to do this as well, almost bricked my card playing with the voltages, put them back to stock for now :D
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Not me and that bios mod thing especially if software can give you similar results. I just eh know how they sticking to release that new riva tuner so. I could finally ditch afterburner wjen it comes out.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/nvidia-pulls-196-75-driver-amid-reports-its-frying-graphics-car/ (http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/nvidia-pulls-196-75-driver-amid-reports-its-frying-graphics-car/)
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http://www.guru3d.com/news/cebit--gigabyte-r5870-at-1-ghz/ (http://www.guru3d.com/news/cebit--gigabyte-r5870-at-1-ghz/)
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AMD Release they official 10.3 drivers:
http://downloads.guru3d.com/ATI-Catalyst-10.3-Windows-7-%7C-Vista-(64-bit)-download-2508.html#download (http://downloads.guru3d.com/ATI-Catalyst-10.3-Windows-7-%7C-Vista-(64-bit)-download-2508.html#download)
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(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3886/bheg.jpg)
ATi Roadmap. Waiting for a 5890 eh sound so bad.
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like i said, ATI refresh with 5890 and 5990, and is GG for ati vs nvidia
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Everyone Should Read:
http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,19417.0.html (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,19417.0.html)
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got Dammm http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5870-eyefinity6-review/ (http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5870-eyefinity6-review/)
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Possible price drop (http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/18730) for 5xxx products?
Niceness. :)
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'Cut from own profit margin','poses no serious threat'...I see all that as a reason for no price drops atm. I also find that there prices are very reasonable as it currently stands. Though no one will say no to lower prices
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Where can I buy a 5850 in Trinidad??
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Where can I buy a 5850 in Trinidad??
from me.... :happy0203:
http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,19521.0.html (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,19521.0.html)
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just curious but wont his dual core bottle neck the 5850?
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just curious but wont his dual core bottle neck the 5850?
Actually I have a Phenom 2 965 Quad core at 3.4 gHZ.I should update my system specs.
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just curious but wont his dual core bottle neck the 5850?
Actually I have a Phenom 2 965 Quad core at 3.4 gHZ.I should update my system specs.Where can I buy a 5850 in Trinidad??
from me.... :happy0203:
http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,19521.0.html (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,19521.0.html)
New brand??....and for how much??What about warranty??.I found out about some place in Siparia that has 5850's for sale for like 2000 bucks.
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just curious but wont his dual core bottle neck the 5850?
Actually I have a Phenom 2 965 Quad core at 3.4 gHZ.I should update my system specs.Where can I buy a 5850 in Trinidad??
from me.... :happy0203:
http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,19521.0.html (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,19521.0.html)
New brand??....and for how much??What about warranty??.I found out about some place in Siparia that has 5850's for sale for like 2000 bucks.
try opening the link nah. the all the info deh. an i seriously doubt is 2000 u hear that card goin for. as OC said, call names or is ah lie.
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just curious but wont his dual core bottle neck the 5850?
definitely
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XFX Radeon HD 5970 2x2GB Eyefinity 6 Black Edition card, one of 1000 being made in a special edition run (http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33962415)
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A link in the WDMC thread will ensue shortly...
Powercolor HD5970 with 12 display outputs
Computex 2010 24 screens from one PC with two cards
By Nebojsa Novakovic
Mon Jun 07 2010, 12:21
BEFORE AMD starts rolling out its next generation of Southern Island GPUs, the usual performance refresh has appeared for the current ATI Radeon HD5870 single GPU and HD5970 dual GPU cards. While vendors like Asus and Sapphire focused on speeding up the cards with exotic cooling systems, Powercolor did something quite interesting that hardly anyone expected - it doubled the graphics cards' Eyefinity capability.
As one HD5870 Eyefinity GPU card has six Displayport outputs for, yes, six displays in parallel, it shouldn't be too difficult to get twelve Displayport outputs from a hypothetical HD5970 Eyefinity, if it existed. Well, it doesn't seem so simple, since no vendor has had such a card until now. And, if you see the Powercolor HD5970 4 B card here, there is the third slot opening occupied by the extra six display connectors, as you can see held by pretty lady Tia at the Powercolor booth at Computex.
(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/9323/powercolor12540x540.jpg) (http://img641.imageshack.us/i/powercolor12540x540.jpg/)
Now, who would need 12 displays or, for that matter, 24 displays if you used two of these cards in CrossFire? Well, imagine a mad financial wizard monitoring multiple indices and stocks across several stock exchanges or, far more interesting, an immersive 3D 'cave' environment with a giant dome of two dozen 3D enabled monitors truly surrounding you. With falling monitor prices and thin-bezel models all around now, you could actually build such a dome for just a couple of thousand dollars or so. The full 4GB of onboard RAM also covers both multiple high resolution displays in full 3D as well as any large-memory GPGPU computing needs.
In this respect the Powercolor innovation is great, as everyone can have a true immersive 3D cave even at home, a step beyond the usual single-display 3D that's being so heavily promoted now. What I'd like to see are more advanced cooling options for the card, including a slimmer liquid cooling one so that the total footprint including all 12 ports can still go back to two slots. That way, the GPU speeds could go up another 15 per cent or so, providing extra muscle to feed all those extra displays.
And for more cost conscious or space restricted users, Powercolor also showed an Eyefinity five-display HD5770 card as well.
In the other GPU news at the show, EVGA and Gainward watercooled the GTX480. As Nvidia's highest end GPU is now a little less rare and easier to find, there are finally more of them around than hen's teeth. However, the heat and power consumption issues remain, and the key vendors are now creating custom solutions to solve either or both problems. Gainward and EVGA, both major Nvidia players, showed their water-cooling solutions, and both are the usual dual slot cards with one key difference. EVGA has a thick high throughput half-inch tubing system, while Gainward uses thinner quarter-inch tubing but with an external connection and radiator. In the second case, the system is more cumbersome, but any tubing leaks would be outside the system, preventing any malfuction due to that reason.
These cooling approaches by EVGA and Gainward sound like a suggestion to Powercolor. µ
I like this, not that I can afford the card, far less the multiple display madness, but I like this none the less.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1652779/powercolor-hd5970-display-outputs (http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1652779/powercolor-hd5970-display-outputs)
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holy crap
look how BIG!
I suddenly feel that I have an impotent PC lol
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^^ That 12... could mean SO much more if taken the WRONG way...
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haha mandingo card
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Either that is a very small person holding it or that is the most macco card ever to exist. Good lord.
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OH lawddd look @ HDMI
i tink my lil 4870 jus crap itself :lol:
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That's a HUUUUGE B!TCH!!!
Just now yuh go need a filing cabinet sized case to fit a video card..... :shakehead:
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Now now, this 5970 is a relative new comer to the LONG (see what I did there) Lineage of multi GPU cards. If one must slacken their jaw... :ko: at the site of that card, one MUST pay homage to the ORIGINAL Mandingo Single PCB, Multi GPU card (try saying that 12 times fast... quite a mouthful.... :ko:)
Beholden!!!!
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/306/v56kvoodoo56000preview.jpg) (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/v56kvoodoo56000preview.jpg/)
The Voodoo 6000!!!! who's length was to quote the article "No LESS than 12.5 inches"
Please keep in mind this card was realized back in 2006 and was the last card made by 3dFx (GPU Gods rest their Goblin bought out souls)
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for a sec i though that was a pic of a single slot 5970. lol. but hten i saw Voodoo 600, and my boner went away :ko:
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"ATI Southern Islands GPU still expected in 2010
By Hilbert Hagedoorn, June 9, 2010 - 8:00 PM
AMD did not show off any new GPUs at Computex, even behind closed doors, but that Southern Islands is still on track for a 2010 launch. Chips that cannot be demonstrated in early June naturally do not come out during back-to-school (BTS) season, a crucial timeframe for computer makers and chipmakers.
But according to a news-story published by Computer Base web-site, ATI has a clear intention to release its Southern Islands this year and sometimes in the autumn, not winter. The SI family will offer higher performance compared to currently available ATI Radeon HD 5000 “Evergreen” line, but will hardly be considerably more advanced in terms of feature-set. It is reported that designers of the new GPUs concentrated mostly on improving efficiency, but not on building something completely new from scratch."
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ah yess sounds good to me
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Well now self Nvidia will be in trouble.
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Asus is doing some 'interesting' things lately.... for those that bought 5970's and think they are fast, try this on for size (size being the operative word):
http://hothardware.com/News/Asuss-Ares-Video-Card-Declares-War-Takes-No-Prisoners/ (http://hothardware.com/News/Asuss-Ares-Video-Card-Declares-War-Takes-No-Prisoners/)
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/8080/asusarescard.jpg) (http://img833.imageshack.us/i/asusarescard.jpg/)
Yes folks that is actually 2x 5870 GPUs running at FULL speed with no restrictions... save space as it's a TRIPPLE slot setup...
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http://www.neoseeker.com/news/14378-ati-6xxx-cards-coming-q4-2010/ (http://www.neoseeker.com/news/14378-ati-6xxx-cards-coming-q4-2010/)
steups I now buy a 5850. they cyar wait till next year self?
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i sure dat card coming out at 1000$ or something, lolol, it coudl stay it ass right there.
d 5970 dropping, i see it was going fuh 600$ on amazon yesterday. and unless u runing ah 30" monitor, or eyefinity, there will be no difference in performance atal, going to dat new stink card.
Spend dat extra 400$ on something more usefull, 24" monitor, or some ssds or something :)
what berzerk post their alot more interesting.
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http://www.neoseeker.com/news/14378-ati-6xxx-cards-coming-q4-2010/ (http://www.neoseeker.com/news/14378-ati-6xxx-cards-coming-q4-2010/)
steups I now buy a 5850. they cyar wait till next year self?
* smiles *
Well...if the price is right.....
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The Misunderstanding - Presented by AMD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QkyfGJgcwQ&feature=player_embedded#ws)
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Catalyst 10.8 is out (http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/downloads.aspx), and it works flawlessly. Its said to offer a few performance improvements so try it out.
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Catalyst 10.8 is out (http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/downloads.aspx), and it works flawlessly. Its said to offer a few performance improvements so try it out.
Nope, doesnt work flawlessly. Still cuts BC2 framerates by half for crossfire users. I promptly rolled back to 10.5, best ati did in months.
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havent tried bbc2 in months, but SC2 AA enabled with no fps hit and mafia 2 on complete max runs flawlessly.
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Catalyst 10.8 is out (http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/downloads.aspx), and it works flawlessly. Its said to offer a few performance improvements so try it out.
Nope, doesnt work flawlessly. Still cuts BC2 framerates by half for crossfire users. I promptly rolled back to 10.5, best ati did in months.
Why is that? Did they remove sli support for some games?
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Well, it works flawlessly for me, as did 10.7
Not sure why that is happening to Cap. I use Vsync wherever I find it, and everything runs at a solid 60 fps...including Bad Company 2...and I'm pretty sure there'd an IQ improvement in there somewhere. It looked goooooood. Or it could be that I haven't played it in a week. :)
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just throwing it out there.... NONE of the 10.x drivers that i tried worked for me.. even on a fresh install...
so i'm still @ 9.12 and that works flawlessly... dunno if i missing any significant performance gains from the later drivers.. but willing to sacrifice it until those drivers really stable neways...
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9.12 was working flawless for me all d time, but sc2 had a bug where units jus disaapear on u, so was forced to upgrade tuh 10.7 and stay there, but it seem to be behaving heself, 10.8 up next.
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I get 120+ fps on BC2 with 10.5, 40 with any later driver...and it aint me alone. Strange you not getting issues. I feel your crossfire off is you only getting 60fps Arc.
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arc getting 60 fps constant cuase he has vsync on, which wud lock it @ 60, if i not mistaken.
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Could have a point. I will try later.
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MessiaaH is correct. All fps locked at 60.
I used to get the problems mentioned until I did an OS re-install. Its a last resort, I know,
but still an option.
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Well I usually keep vsync on to prevent screen tearing. You can also notice when a game drops from 180+ fps to 60. That usually happens with the frame limit cap off.
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MessiaaH is correct. All fps locked at 60.
I used to get the problems mentioned until I did an OS re-install. Its a last resort, I know,
but still an option.
But why you have Vsync on for? Depending on what gpu i using i does have it on or off to get maximum performance out of the card.
What Rage said. Having the game's fps locked to the native 'speed' of your monitor ensures that you won't see
vertical tearing of objects on your screen.
Kinda like this...
(http://blog.screenaid.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Screen-Tearing-001.jpg)
That image is with Vsync off. It doesn't look too good. Especially when you're turning quickly.
Not too concerned with fps rates over 70. The human eve wont detect 100 fps and above,
so I not too concerned with 'maximum performance'.
Once I getting 60 fps with all IQ options at max, at whatever the monitor's native res is, I am happy.
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^^ indeed, 60 FPS is all ur eyes could diffrenciate anyways, anything above 60, it doh matter, its all going to look d same. i also play with vsync on, for d reasons arcman already listed.
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Even with vsync off, i dont get that tearing, in any game.
and this is the issue im talking about...
http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=279&threadid=135143 (http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=279&threadid=135143)
not me alone getting this, strange that none of you are having this issue, but I got it bad. Roll back to 10.5 makes things peachy once more.
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OK...maybe I spoke too soon about 10.8. All of a sudden last night, REALLLLL issues, and only in Bad Company 2. Very strange.
Had to roll back to 10.5 myself.
...or maybe Captain Awesome is possessed of a very particular goat-mout. :laughing7:
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hmm, if the issue seems to be isolated to bc2 mite try it, i have to be on at least 10.7 for SC2 cuase it has a bug for 5000 series cards, where units/structures juss goes invisible, 10.7 have d fix, so i wont be using any earlier driver, so mite stil try my hand at d 10.8, once sc2, gears, dirt2 in order, i good to go. bc2 on d back burner for d moment.
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I think it's ATI's way of telling Arcmanov to make a move to Starcraft 2. lol
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ent @ wyatt...
i find it strange doh that i dont get the issue in SC2 seeing as i running 2x5770's, maybe its for higher end 5000's
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http://www.guru3d.com/news/amd-radeon-hd-6870-benchmarks-/ (http://www.guru3d.com/news/amd-radeon-hd-6870-benchmarks-/)
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Nice...
* looks forward to 2 x 6850 * :happy0203:
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i mite sell meh 5970 and go 6970