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Tech Talk => Hardware, Tweaking & Networking => Topic started by: TriniXaeno on April 13, 2010, 04:33:23 PM
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Behold.....the colossus.
(http://www.ocztechnology.com/images/thumbs290x290/Colossus_LT_SSD_withshadow.jpg)
http://www.neowin.net/news/first-1tb-ssd-drive-hits-market-wallets (http://www.neowin.net/news/first-1tb-ssd-drive-hits-market-wallets)
Coming in at 1TB this is a MASSIVE SSD.
You get the best of all worlds. Lightning Speed and huge storage.
Only one problem.
The US$4000.00 sticker shock.
This entry into the SSD line up marks the beginning of the end for spinning disks. As the price on these behemoths fall, regular mechanical drives will begin to fade into the background as the preffered storage for PCs.
gs sb gs
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Oh good LORD.
I want all SSDs eventually for my rig eh, but the prices not coming down fast enough for my liking.
A run-of-the-mill 40GB or 80GB is still too damn expensive for me to even consider buying ONE.
Velociraptor FTW yes (for now).
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hummm at that price I can get 10 2tb enterprise hds ( choose wd or seagate or samsung ), a super high end sas controller and make a huge raid array, which will both be faster, more reliable and have more capacity ( 6 tb ) but take up alot more space.
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They won't be faster....(check the speed on that baby)
of course the price is just bloody ridiculous.
However, the capacity is now proven and all that is left is for the prices to fall.
And fall they will....
Muhahahaha.
We've gotten rid of those horrendously slow floppy drives and now the last bastion of "piss poor performance" in our PCs will soon get the same treatment.
I'd give it three years before SSD hit mainstream.
A cheap 250GB SSD (say at US$100) will be too much performance to pass up. Mechanical disks will be relegated to secondary drives for storing vids/jpgs etc....while apps and games sit on the SSD.
Exciting times for technology yes.
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still a ways yet before those drives are mainstream...
also... this is not the last bastion of "piss poor performance" cuz performance is always relative, when ssd become mainstream.. they will be piss poor performance cuz something faster will be taking up the high end space.
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you want some ketchup and mayo to go with those words? lol
Let's take a look at the advancement in performance across PC components from 5 years ago to today.
Processors
Video Cards
Network Cards
RAM
VAST improvements in performance.
The Hard Drive is long overdue for a shot of adrenaline. While it has increased in capacity over the years, the speed remains relatively poor in comparison.
No more.
If you think my enthusiasm is misplaced, I humbly besiege you to read the reviews on this 40GB SSD on amazon. note, it carries a 5 star rating and this is a measly 40gb drive.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0031X8HG2/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0GG90DZDWSN0C8JG0047&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0031X8HG2/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0GG90DZDWSN0C8JG0047&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846)
Here is a quick quote:
I have to say, in all my years of using PCs I cannot think of any one single component that has had as much of an impact as this little SSD. Random access speeds are simply phenomenal compared to mechanical drives. Applications installed on the SSD open almost instantly. With Word and Photoshop, I barely catch sight of the splash screen before the application is fully loaded on the screen, sitting there like an obedient dog waiting for you to throw the stick again :).
In quantitative terms, my Windows 7 Experience Index for this drive is a 7.7. I had previously run RAID-10 with four conventional drives, and my score in that configuration was 5.9. That's a significant jump and I am enjoying it all the more!
If you're looking for an inexpensive way to seriously boost your system's performance, this drive is a no brainer. Yes, there are bigger and faster SSDs available, but this drive establishes a whole new price point without sacrificing much.
One downside: after putting this drive in your system, you may not be able to tolerate using any other computer!
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lol i not saying that the drives aint good or nun...
just saying that there will always be a next component that will slow down performance as further advances in technology is made.
i.e. this is not the be all and end all of performance as you make it sound, and i quote "piss poor performace"... before SSD the raptors was the shiznit that would make a pc that much faster.. now all of a sudden is piss poor performance? lol...
there will always be a component thats @ the lowest end of the spectrum that will be "piss poor" :)
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I understand where you're coming from bro and typically...I would agree...however, the hard drive is a very special case.
My point is this:
I would hardly call todays graphics/processors/network cards/ram piss poor. They all offer high performing components. (at the mid and high end).
Unfortunately, even our "high end" hard drives are piss poor. I have used all manners of raid arrays and still....poor. Compared to the "insta-load" experience of my laptop which has an SSD.
Tell me, when you get that SSD, what do you think will be the new bottleneck for your PCs performance?
It's gonna be PC nirvana. Beam me up scotty business.
The future is here. It just needs to get cheaper. lol
It is gonna rock
Just like LCDs hit CRTs for six.
Just like DVDs hit CDs for six.
SSDs gonna hit HDs for six.
(gotta love IT for acronyms eh)
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yes truely the last moving part to catch up to solid state of ram network devices, gphx cards processors
if cd roms actually had any say in system performance, you oculd blame them but since its totally optional
then truely hds are the last analog device to hold us back.
long live the digital age
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Have to agree with TriniWyatt here. Even when I replaced my primary HDD with an 80GB Velociraptor, my WEI score didn't even budge
from the 5.9 it was at when I used the 'regular' drive (good thing I didn't have to pay for it).
That said though, I still noticed that certain programs did open a few seconds faster, and Windows does load faster than before.
I'm pretty sure if I replaced my games HDD with a 'raptor, it would speed up load times there as well.
...but I would really love to give two of those SSDs a run. Even if is just to 'see' how performance increases.
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anyone toting ssd in dey laptop?
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hmmmm ... good stuff...
by end of year I can possibly do away with my 3-drive RAID-0 Array.... or Do I?
Either way, an SSD drive will be my boot drive at that point...
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Triniwyatt what type of laptop u have? Did it come with the SSD or u installed after?
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Its a lenovo. Came with it installed. 128gb
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Thinkpad x301 to be precise.
http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-x301/4505-3121_7-33255266.html (http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-x301/4505-3121_7-33255266.html)
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this for the office or something?
what inspired the ultra low voltage and 13 inch screen
just ordered my asus last nite
impatiently waiting
already looking to see if i could swap out the dvd rom for a ssd
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Yeah its for work.
Supposed to be ultra portable, ultra light.
Polar opposite of a gaming rig, steups.
Yeah an ssd on that asus would rock. They come in standard laptop hd form factor so should be easy as pie.
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yeah but i wouldnt wanna just have a measly 40 gigs or something alone
so i wanna find out if i could take out the dvd rom and put the standard hd there and drop a ssd in the primary
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Oho,
Understood.
Well mine is 128gb. Not exactly tiny.
its old tech though, not nearly as fast as the intel or the drive in this thread.
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As far as SSD's go... it's newer Intel tech or bust!!!
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Ok fellers, i jumpin in.
Good points were made all round, but the most important point is arcman own, them things are WAY too expensive, and d price is NOT falling quickly enouhg for my liking. Everything is relative, SSD performance is faster than HDs, but u have to compare similar components, and see d performance gain.
I've extensively reserached SSD ah while ago,t o see if it make sense, and it did not. D perfomrance for 2 VelociRaptors in RAID0 was better dan most ssd's on d market, only d rel expensive high end ones beat it, is 600+ US extra worth photoshop opening 5 seconds faster? lol , I think not. Dat guy TriniWyatt quoted about his speed increase, he coming from ah RAID10 to SSD? he is ah bamse, and knows nothing about raid. ill leave it at that. Moving on.
SSDs are an upper high end product, if all d rest of parts in yuh rig beast out, yes SSD is d way no question, just like ah Xtreme Intel chip, makes no sense spending 1000$ on dat, unless all yuh rest of parts up to scratch, and unles u intend to maximize d potential of said part.
IT will be MUCH more benificial, and cheaper, to buy ah high end GPU, dan ah SSD. If games performance is what u want, if Application performance is what u want, an faster processor. So on and so fort. RAID0 Raptor is d WIN for PCs right now, SSD only viable, if all yuh other parts done best out.
Also, SSD's may hit main stream in 3 years yes, but when they do, there will be HDs that out perform dem at cheaper, as it is now. SSDs need to reach d point, where dey beatin HDs at d same price. and dat my friends, is a long way off.
Dats my 2 cents :) (at this time i've sdd a second ssd reserach phase to see if it make sense fuh my upgraded rig, 980x/2nd 5970) ill never buy ah ssd before ah beter cpu/gpu.
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An area you may not be addressing messiah is laptops.
SSDS make a real difference in an area where 5400 rpm is king.
And while price is still bleh for most / all de drives.
On a laptop where your expected to work with less space but you also may be doing lots of real work on it, having an ssd could be a God Send... a messiah drive almost..
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Sustained speeds in a raid config using conventional beasts like the velociraptor can match that of ssd's but the real advantage, where they cannot compare is in random access seek times which really shows its advantages when launching random applications and games.
There's simply no way hdd's can match that. For that reason alone i'll seriously consider getting a small ssd for boot, programs and games to replace my velociraptor before I buy another one to raid.
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Point on d laptops, thats where ssd will make, in d laptop segment, netbooks especially, where u looking fuh more perfromance whiles maintaining battery life. But fuh desktop use, i juss dont see ssd makin sense in desktops any time soon, and to respond to capt awsome, yea all that is true, but my initial statements still remains, it all boils down to, if it is worth it. to spend hundreads of dollors more, to open ah program faster. when i coudl spend much less, to play high end games, with max graphics. if ur cpu/gpu power is not at its limits, ssd makes no sense at all for desktops @ the current price dey going for.
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Remember a 300gig VR is still $200us AT LEAST which isnt exactly cheap. As you know it was more expensive before the 600 came out, like $290 when I bought it 1.5yrs ago.
Double that amount to run raid0 and you're running into decent HARDCORE (http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Mainstream-Retail-Package-SSDSA2MH160G2R5/dp/B002IJA1EQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1272469427&sr=8-3) ssd territory.
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yes, veloci raptor is not cheap, but u getin rel space, i have 600GB of volciraptor spped in my machine, OS, all games, vmware, etc, etc, u know how much it go cost, to get 600gb ssd lolololol, not pretty atal, so if u watch ratpor, compare it point fuh point, 72gb raptor in raid is not expensive.
On another note, there are 2TB Drives going on amazon fuh 136$ US, lolol, bluray movies ppl , storage, spend yuh money there first, upgrade everything else fuss, ssd is d least benificial upgrade in ah PC imo.
Before anybody else post, please read carefully.
SSD ARE GOOD, BUT NOT AT D PRICE, u can benifit alot more, spending yuh money, behind a host of other hardware, compared to, ah few programs opening 5-10 seconds faster, on ah SSD.
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EGAD!!! That SSD is expensive, but in the high-end space, where money is no object... *looks at firstchoicett*...I think one, or two of these would round out an already impressive config.
...but this is for people who buying/building PCs that costing OVER 5000 US.
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^^ YUP!
honestly, i dont know how firstchoice does do it, i have to upgrade my storage server, firstchoice, help ah brotha out. sponsor 4 2tb drives :)
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Definitely still too expensive and money is better spent on other hardware before ssd...especially since battlefield load times drop by about 70% with new drivers...but if I had to spend ~ $900us on a drive for boot/application/games purposes, Intel was getting my money as opposed to a raid5 config.
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raid5? 900us? yuh loss meh
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btw... raid5 should not be compared speedwise to anything eh... it is not built or designed for speed.. but for redundancy... raid0 is speed...
but... load times man?... 5 secs of ur game starting? i mean.. really? our machines load games @ what... 20 secs currently? i dunno but.. i dont see it worth it... i could get in a good nice scratch with that excess 5 secs u know :)
if it helped my games and applications actually perform better.. i all for that...
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having an ssd could be a God Send... a messiah drive almost..
Nice one :lol:
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Raid 5 is actually a mix that leverages performance on redundancy, so wihilst not as fast as RAID0 it's not as slow as RAID1 and gives a comfort level that RAID0 cannot. Personally if you can afford it, go RAID5. In the server environment RAID5 is king and that is considering its in tandem with SAS/SCSI driver @ 15k and a hardware controller. Either way, if you RAID5 SSD drives again performance is ridiculous. I don't know why anyone would go RAID0 save cost.
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in d server space, both raid0 and raid5 are used. RIAD0 is used for raw data access (OS), raid5 for storage. Which is duplicated in my rig.
RIAD0 Raptors for OS/GAMES, RAID5 For storage.
If one drive fails, on my RAID0 Array, who cares, i have an acronis backup, runnig to my cheap RAID5, raid 5 is where u want yuh bulk of data storage.
I wouldnt sacfice speed of my OS/Games to put raid5 there, all dem thing backing up to my Storage drive.
Its abolutely waste of money, to do raid5 with SSD, dat makes no sense atal, do RAID0, and take d money for d third SSD, and buy like 3 2tb drives, lol. back yuh raid0 up to dat, and u have TONS of storage fuh movies and thing as well.
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Well guys, just my to cents here, as I see one or to misconceptions being mentioned
RAID 5 is not exactly king in the server world, it all depends on your server application, RAID 5 actually has very poor random write performance (Slower than RAID0 and RAID1), which is why for database applications like SQL and Exchange, you use RAID 1 or 10 arrays, but incase you don’t believe me there is always Google :happy0203:
As far as using RAID0 for your servers OS, that’s a no no :shakehead:, hopefully you meant to say RAID1 or RAID5 should be used for a server OS :happy0203:, i dont think RAID0 belongs in the server world unless you dust of one of them old NT4 mcse books where they talking about using it for proxy server cache :lol:
Now that that’s out the way, picking a RAID for your home machine really boils down to you, in my case I use RAID0 and a cheap 1 TB SATA drive for backup that I picked up for $60, performance/price wise this was the most effective for me and I got 600GB of space to use. Was not willing to go raid 5 as that’s an extra 300 bucks down the drain for a 3rd
As far as SSD drives on the desktop go, yeah it’s definitely the future, so is living on the moon and that nice Sony 3D to watch Monsters 3D on, but right now the $$$ you spend for the performance you gain not to mention usable space to launch an application 1 or 2 seconds faster does not make much sense to me at least. But like everything it’s a personal choice if you got the $$$ to put behind it, go for it, I would.
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Well guys, just my to cents here, as I see one or to misconceptions being mentioned
RAID 5 is not exactly king in the server world, it all depends on your server application, RAID 5 actually has very poor random write performance (Slower than RAID0 and RAID1), which is why for database applications like SQL and Exchange, you use RAID 1 or 10 arrays. I’m a trained SAN administrator so I know what I am talking about, but incase you don’t believe me there is always Google :happy0203:
As far as using RAID0 for your servers OS, that’s a no no :shakehead:, hopefully you meant to say RAID1 or RAID5 should be used for a server OS :happy0203:, i dont think RAID0 belongs in the server world unless you dust of one of them old NT4 mcse books where they talking about using it for proxy server cache :lol:
Now that that’s out the way, picking a RAID for your home machine really boils down to you, in my case I use RAID0 and a cheap 1 TB SATA drive for backup that I picked up for $60, performance/price wise this was the most effective for me and I got 600GB of space to use. Was not willing to go raid 5 as that’s an extra 300 bucks down the drain for a 3rd
As far as SSD drives on the desktop go, yeah it’s definitely the future, so is living on the moon and that nice Sony 3D to watch Monsters 3D on, but right now the $$$ you spend for the performance you gain not to mention usable space to launch an application 1 or 2 seconds faster does not make much sense to me at least. But like everything it’s a personal choice if you got the $$$ to put behind it, go for it, I would.
lol @ iam a trained SAN administrator
Lots of us here , in this very thread, are also experts, so no need to qualify your statements with stuff like that.
Just talk yuh sense
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Well guys, just my to cents here, as I see one or to misconceptions being mentioned
RAID 5 is not exactly king in the server world, it all depends on your server application, RAID 5 actually has very poor random write performance (Slower than RAID0 and RAID1), which is why for database applications like SQL and Exchange, you use RAID 1 or 10 arrays. I’m a trained SAN administrator so I know what I am talking about, but incase you don’t believe me there is always Google :happy0203:
As far as using RAID0 for your servers OS, that’s a no no :shakehead:, hopefully you meant to say RAID1 or RAID5 should be used for a server OS :happy0203:, i dont think RAID0 belongs in the server world unless you dust of one of them old NT4 mcse books where they talking about using it for proxy server cache :lol:
Now that that’s out the way, picking a RAID for your home machine really boils down to you, in my case I use RAID0 and a cheap 1 TB SATA drive for backup that I picked up for $60, performance/price wise this was the most effective for me and I got 600GB of space to use. Was not willing to go raid 5 as that’s an extra 300 bucks down the drain for a 3rd
As far as SSD drives on the desktop go, yeah it’s definitely the future, so is living on the moon and that nice Sony 3D to watch Monsters 3D on, but right now the $$$ you spend for the performance you gain not to mention usable space to launch an application 1 or 2 seconds faster does not make much sense to me at least. But like everything it’s a personal choice if you got the $$$ to put behind it, go for it, I would.
lol @ iam a trained SAN administrator
Lots of us here , in this very thread, are also experts, so no need to qualify your statements with stuff like that.
Just talk yuh sense
so which parts was none sence in my post expert? because i say i a san admin? i did not lash out personally at anybody or was trying to imply anything
take your own advice next time before you post nonsense fellah.
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Well guys, just my to cents here, as I see one or to misconceptions being mentioned
RAID 5 is not exactly king in the server world, it all depends on your server application, RAID 5 actually has very poor random write performance (Slower than RAID0 and RAID1), which is why for database applications like SQL and Exchange, you use RAID 1 or 10 arrays. I’m a trained SAN administrator so I know what I am talking about, but incase you don’t believe me there is always Google :happy0203:
As far as using RAID0 for your servers OS, that’s a no no :shakehead:, hopefully you meant to say RAID1 or RAID5 should be used for a server OS :happy0203:, i dont think RAID0 belongs in the server world unless you dust of one of them old NT4 mcse books where they talking about using it for proxy server cache :lol:
Now that that’s out the way, picking a RAID for your home machine really boils down to you, in my case I use RAID0 and a cheap 1 TB SATA drive for backup that I picked up for $60, performance/price wise this was the most effective for me and I got 600GB of space to use. Was not willing to go raid 5 as that’s an extra 300 bucks down the drain for a 3rd
As far as SSD drives on the desktop go, yeah it’s definitely the future, so is living on the moon and that nice Sony 3D to watch Monsters 3D on, but right now the $$$ you spend for the performance you gain not to mention usable space to launch an application 1 or 2 seconds faster does not make much sense to me at least. But like everything it’s a personal choice if you got the $$$ to put behind it, go for it, I would.
lol @ iam a trained SAN administrator
Lots of us here , in this very thread, are also experts, so no need to qualify your statements with stuff like that.
Just talk yuh sense
so which parts was none sence in my post expert? because i say i a san admin? i did not lash out personally at anybody or was trying to imply anything
take your own advice next time before you post nonsense fellah.
lol look at man beating up his chest for no reason
i didnt say anything was nonsense
i said you dont need to qualify your statements by saying your a trained SAN administrator
just talk your sense, meaning, just say what you have to say on the matter, no need to think you need to post qualifications.
If you talking sense, men will recognize as such.
Hmm @ telling me i post nonsense though, meh if i was in a better mood i would have construed that as an insult/attack at me. Whatevs
Forza Inter
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err, sense nonsense, attack, sinsult, lol, is ah dam tech forum, and we is all trinis, if ah man talking shit, tell d man he talking shit, he go learn something and be better off for it, d constured insult/attack level on dis forum rel high, Inchigo Second level to d hollow mask high. lol
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Well guys, just my to cents here, as I see one or to misconceptions being mentioned
RAID 5 is not exactly king in the server world, it all depends on your server application, RAID 5 actually has very poor random write performance (Slower than RAID0 and RAID1), which is why for database applications like SQL and Exchange, you use RAID 1 or 10 arrays. I’m a trained SAN administrator so I know what I am talking about, but incase you don’t believe me there is always Google :happy0203:
As far as using RAID0 for your servers OS, that’s a no no :shakehead:, hopefully you meant to say RAID1 or RAID5 should be used for a server OS :happy0203:, i dont think RAID0 belongs in the server world unless you dust of one of them old NT4 mcse books where they talking about using it for proxy server cache :lol:
Now that that’s out the way, picking a RAID for your home machine really boils down to you, in my case I use RAID0 and a cheap 1 TB SATA drive for backup that I picked up for $60, performance/price wise this was the most effective for me and I got 600GB of space to use. Was not willing to go raid 5 as that’s an extra 300 bucks down the drain for a 3rd
As far as SSD drives on the desktop go, yeah it’s definitely the future, so is living on the moon and that nice Sony 3D to watch Monsters 3D on, but right now the $$$ you spend for the performance you gain not to mention usable space to launch an application 1 or 2 seconds faster does not make much sense to me at least. But like everything it’s a personal choice if you got the $$$ to put behind it, go for it, I would.
lol @ iam a trained SAN administrator
Lots of us here , in this very thread, are also experts, so no need to qualify your statements with stuff like that.
Just talk yuh sense
so which parts was none sence in my post expert? because i say i a san admin? i did not lash out personally at anybody or was trying to imply anything
take your own advice next time before you post nonsense fellah.
lol look at man beating up his chest for no reason
i didnt say anything was nonsense
i said you dont need to qualify your statements by saying your a trained SAN administrator
just talk your sense, meaning, just say what you have to say on the matter, no need to think you need to post qualifications.
If you talking sense, men will recognize as such.
Hmm @ telling me i post nonsense though, meh if i was in a better mood i would have construed that as an insult/attack at me. Whatevs
Forza Inter
alright alright, it to early to get we draws all in a bunch (Your beat up chest comment was funny though :happy0203:), look ah edit the post to remove that bit as i see your point, so lets kiss and make up now :happy0203:
i know yua go take it out on meh as i jsut buy BC2 and want to join the sweet, my roll will be plaign the dead guy :happy0203:
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Wyatt, this makes ALOT!!!!! more sense, dan SSDs right now.
Im checking out an upgraded HD for my netbook, but d ssd price juss cannot be justified,
Netbook coming with 500GB 5400rpm drive, and juss to get 160GB ssd, yuh talking all kinda 300-400$+
It juss was not makin sense to me, so i say id buy ah 500GB 7200rpm drive, get my speed increase there, for like 100$
Den i bounce up d Seagate Momentus XT, and man was i impressed, with d performance, AND d price.
Its where i think all SSD technology should go. Provide similar perfomormance to d masses @ quater d cost.
Check it out:
Seagate Momentus XT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kss98VdhSj0#ws)
Seagate Momentus XT Solid State Hybrid Drive (500GB) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX_WyOhTQEw&feature=related#ws)
Seagate Momentus XT SSD Hybrid Hard Drive 320GB Unboxing & First Look Linus Tech Tips (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCyRBRivF4s#ws)
Amazon Price:
http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Momentus-7200RPM-Hybrid-ST95005620AS-Bare/dp/B003NSBF32/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1276492326&sr=8-2 (http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Momentus-7200RPM-Hybrid-ST95005620AS-Bare/dp/B003NSBF32/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1276492326&sr=8-2)
130$ fuh 500GB of dat kinda performance, dats what we talking bout.
I actually thinking to get 2 of dose in RAID0 fuh meh desktop, to replace d 10k VelociRaptor Drives.
Seagate come good, i doing more research, what alyuh men think.
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You kinda late (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,19750.msg241347.html#msg241347) to that particular party. :)
We ALL over this one.
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lol
seeee what does happen when men dont go to de child boards
lol
but mouth still drooling over dese