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Title: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 27, 2010, 11:26:58 PM
Audiophile is a term usualy associated with men who are paranoid about there music.
So let's see if i meet the definition of what an audiophile is.

I've meant to do up a video review of these parts, but not getin the time, so ill juss do a writeup. It's long overdue. In the meantime, you can get a look of this gear in my Beast Machine Final Build Part1 Video, without further ado:

Parts:



Denon AH-D7000 Balanced:

(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/877/d7000balacned.jpg) (http://img220.imageshack.us/i/d7000balacned.jpg/)

Headroom Balanced Desktop DAC ontop Balanced Desktop AMP (UDAC/BUDA)

(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6093/ampfront.jpg) (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/ampfront.jpg/)

(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5/ampconnected.jpg) (http://img72.imageshack.us/i/ampconnected.jpg/)

(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/8881/ampback.jpg) (http://img685.imageshack.us/i/ampback.jpg/)


Headroom Desktop Powersupply

(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/7998/psup.jpg) (http://img91.imageshack.us/i/psup.jpg/)


Money Shot :) :

(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/7495/ampheadphonecombo.jpg) (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/ampheadphonecombo.jpg/)

Now that you've got a good look at the Gear:

This is a balanced headphone setup. Those who want details on what that is follow this link: http://www.headphone.com/learning-center/balanced-drive.php (http://www.headphone.com/learning-center/balanced-drive.php)

But in layman's term, it carries headphones soaring to new hights, with EXCELLENT audio quality, clarity, deep solid impactful bass. With a balanced headphones you need a completely balanced setup otherwise yuh wasting time.

So i have Optical coming from my XFI going into the DAC which goes Balanced out to AMP which goes balanced out to Headphones. And the Powersupply below powers everything. This particular headphones is perfect for Rock/Electronica type music, and Movies sound AWESOME as well, transformers on this setup is orgasmic. Immerses you in games as well.

Ive previously owned the following headphones: Grado 325i, Sennheiser HD650, Denon D5000. Made the leap with this rig, simply the best audio setup money can buy. These babies are meant for HQ music, mp3s on this is a waste of time, you looking at FLAC or WMA Lossless (which i prefer becuase of tag information in windows 7 / media player 11). This setup provides a sonic detail that will let you hear the pluck of the musician's finger off his guitar string. The wonderfull UDAC provides deep black silence between the notes, no jumbled music here, you can disearn each and every instrument / vocal note. And the bass provided by the D700+BUDA combo is to die for. SOLID, POWERFUL bass. Think a high end car setup dat not dotish and boomy but clean powerful and nice.

To date, this setup has beaten every single car / home setup ive ever heard.
Of corse u loos the bodily impact from speakers/sub woffer. So when i want dat, i pair this rig, with ah nice Z5500 Woffer, when i want to feel d buckshot in meh chess in gears. and still get d heavenly expereince that is the UDAC/BUDA/D7000 combo.

Here's a little review on the headphones itself: http://videos.cnet.co.uk/39040486.htm (http://videos.cnet.co.uk/39040486.htm)

Well, The usual, comments, opinions, questions, etc, shoot..

Oh, Check out links to all the parts here:

Denon D7000 Balanced Headphones:  http://www.headphone.com/headphones/denon-ah-d7000-balanced-w-10ft-cardas-fat-pipe-xlr-cable.php (http://www.headphone.com/headphones/denon-ah-d7000-balanced-w-10ft-cardas-fat-pipe-xlr-cable.php)

UDAC/BUDA : http://www.headphone.com/packages/ultra-balanced-desktop-stack-package.php (http://www.headphone.com/packages/ultra-balanced-desktop-stack-package.php)

Power Supply: http://www.headphone.com/accessories/power-supplies/headroom-desktop-power-supply.php (http://www.headphone.com/accessories/power-supplies/headroom-desktop-power-supply.php)

Interconnect Cable:  http://www.headphone.com/accessories/dimarzio-xlr-balanced-interconnects-15ft.php (http://www.headphone.com/accessories/dimarzio-xlr-balanced-interconnects-15ft.php)

Earpad Upgrade for headphones: http://www.headphone.com/accessories/jmoney-v2-denon-earpads-for-d2000d5000d7000-pair.php (http://www.headphone.com/accessories/jmoney-v2-denon-earpads-for-d2000d5000d7000-pair.php)
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: firstchoicett on April 27, 2010, 11:36:46 PM
nice
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: TriniXaeno on April 27, 2010, 11:41:21 PM
sweet.

What did it cost all total for you to put this together?

I've been a massive fan of headphones for years. Looking to upgrade very soon (probably this month).

One key feature for me is surround sound. Still seeking a 3D audio cue advantage in games which my current set does not quite deliver on. Left and Right is fine....but I want front, back, a little to the left, behind but a little to the right....lol

Also, a serious nice to have, is the ability to drive two headsets from the amp. As inevitably, the misses will want to take in a late night movie without disturbing baby. Two headphones, One amp. (-1 if you catch that reference)
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 27, 2010, 11:46:29 PM
Well, you wont like the price of that particular setup, which is why i provided d links for man to go and see for they self, lol, but since u ask. That setup retails for

$4610USD.......

I got huge discounts, and got it all for ...$3875

I entered high end headphone music with d grados, but ah nice rig, is d Headroom Micro Amp + Denon D5000, costing aroudn $300US and $300US respectively. I was on that micro amp for about 3 years, whiles cycling d various headphones i listed. Micro Amp serve me WELL!

Note: That Balanced Desktop Amp can power 2 Non-Balanced headphones simultaneously, for those who eh realise.

Note2: To respond to Wyatt's surround / 3d audio, all surround/3d audio headphones u ever see, is shit compaired to High End Reference Headphones from d likes of, Grado, Denon, Sennheiser, AGU, these type of headphones are so detailed, you could tell what branch of d tree ah man running on, dies why it hard for man to sneak up on me in gears, i alwasy hear dem coming, and i know exacrlty where dey coming from, what speed dey approaching, and what angel dey approaching from, all which does indicate to me what weapond dey approaching with and know how to counter :)
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: TriniXaeno on April 28, 2010, 08:11:01 AM
/me faints
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: mailman166 on April 29, 2010, 11:47:12 AM
$4610USD....... O M G ... I could setup a small studio with that or buy some of those bigfoot studio speakers

http://www.barefootsound.com/barefoot/mm35.html (http://www.barefootsound.com/barefoot/mm35.html)

http://www.vintageking.com/Barefoot-Sound-MicroMain-35-Pair?sc=18&category=970 (http://www.vintageking.com/Barefoot-Sound-MicroMain-35-Pair?sc=18&category=970)
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 29, 2010, 01:05:47 PM
if i have to spend dat kinda money on speakers, ill be looking at paradigm speakers with onkoyo receiver. will post links to dat lata.

But when u have yuh first child, u  go understand d need for high end headphone listening :)

And d fact that i could carry meh whole HiFi setup with meh when chaning locations is ah boon.

But like i said, the quality of this particular setup, i eh hear no speaker system that beat it yet. and i heard some high end setups, costing more money dan that. u have to spend about 10 grand US behind speakers, to match d quality coming out of dat setup dey.

And i use it all d time right through, if had pump d same money behind speakers, woulda only be able to bang out, ounce in ah while lol.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Arcmanov on April 29, 2010, 02:40:56 PM
No offense eh...but spending 4000+ US DOLLARS on just audio gear alone is madness.

You sure is not 400 US you mean?  The Tritton AX Pro headset is less than 1/10th the price of that
setup, and provides really great sound, AND can be hooked up to PCs and consoles.  Not to mention
the consoles can take advantage of the connectivity options so that users can have integrated voice chat.

Can your disturbingly expensive setup be that versatile? :)

I find it interesting that you would say 'all surround/3d audio headphones u ever see, is shit compared to...',  when the worth of the headset I mentioned, along with many others in that price range have been proven, at least for gaming.

I can now understand why we almost never see the brands of gear you mentioned even considered for mainstream reviews for the gaming public.


I can appreciate high-end audio, but I cannot, in ANY universe, justify (even to myself) spending thousands of US dollars on ONE component, unless it helping me to make money.


With that said, I'm still interested to hear how much 'better' all that gear sounds, compared to an Astro A40, or Tritton Ax Pro system.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Crixx_Creww on April 29, 2010, 03:10:02 PM
Hmm ignored this thread for a while, since i put audiophiles on the same level as console men
but after reading some of this thread i immediately remember the giz thread from last year.

http://gizmodo.com/5213042/why-we-need-audiophiles (http://gizmodo.com/5213042/why-we-need-audiophiles)

There is a point where it becomes more than absurd... this point is of course several thousand us dollars above the point at which we can even HEAR the difference in sound quality... which does not stop the real audiophiles.

I gained a little respect for audio after reading through this giz article... decided i would never download a low bit small ass 3 meg mp3 again but that was it...bought some headfones...which hurt my ears after hours of loud music...
so in  fact alot of times i game with no sound...

atleast Mr Messiah hasnt reached this guys level as yet


ill throw this link in as well http://gizmodo.com/5214792/giz-explains-the-difference-between-100--and-100000-speakers (http://gizmodo.com/5214792/giz-explains-the-difference-between-100--and-100000-speakers)
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 29, 2010, 03:19:19 PM
Arcman, is juss like everything else in the entertainment industry, you think something sounds good, till u hear better, and when u try to go back, u realise, what u was listening to was actualy crap.

Is like watching bluray movies, den trying to go back to watch ah pirate movie.

Is like playing on ah ps3, den trying to go back to ps1.

Yuh dont knwo what yuh missing till yuh expereince something better.
And yuh doesnt know something coudl be DAT much better, cuase yuh juss never hear/expereince it before.

I did not start off with a 4000$ setup, i started off, with ah 200$ headphone, den upgrade to 300$, den bought ah 300$ amp.
I slowly crept into highfi, and once i expereinced it, and read pages upong pages upon pages of reviews, and information, and opionis, etc etc, i decided to delve in, and get d big guns.

These headphones will not be seen on any site refering to gaming headphones, becuase dey arent, dey are audiophile grade headphones.
Ppl who want gaming headphones usually not looking for thing dis high end, but it doesnt mean another headphones will be beter for gaming dan dis. HiFi headphones will demolish any gaming headphones in gaming. Becuase ppl making gaming headphones not expectin ppl to pay d kinda money for high end headphones, juss because it mark "gaming" on it doh mean it good lol.

Also, u ent see connectors behind dat amp? lol, i can hook dat up to anything.

And i run all my consoles through d pc, to take advantage of xfi anyways.
So once it applies crystilizer etc etc, den optical out to my amp, HEAVEN!

Used to run my ps2 optical striagh to pc, den out to speakers, sounds 5 times better once it pass through d xfi.

And unlike pc equipment, audio equpiment lifetime is years upon years.
I built a 3500-4000$ pc christmas, and by next christmas, time to upgrade, cuase something beter out. Fortunately in d music world it doh work so, what i buy go remain d best fuh years on end. long term investment :)

And like i say, i din jus wake up one morning and drop 4k on ah setup, i crept into high end listening, and made my purhcase based on numerous factors, and after expereincing what d setup offers, if i had to do it all over, i wud have bought it sooner.

Also, i dont use my headphoens just for gaming, all those gaming headphones, is solely juss for gaming, dont even think about doing nothing else on it, becuase dey will scream, under d pressure of some good poudning music, or high action films like transformers.

HiFi setups will handle any thing u throw at dem, and i dont use mines juss for gaming, heavy music and movies going through dem suckers. Which is really d primary use for HiFi headphones, music and movies.
But becuase dey are such high calibur, when applied to gaming, d level of detail and ermision is beyond anything, ah branded "gaming" headphones will ever offer. And ive listend to many gaming headphoens before, including some u name, so i know. And ive owned and listen to over 10 different classes of headphones before. so dis is years of expereince talking.

a 300$ HiFi headphones go demolish any gaming headphones out there. Add ah 300$ amp to dat, Heaven. and 600$ for a setup, is as far as i recomend most ppl to go, becuase of d serious deminishing returns involved in audio. High up u go, more money u spend, and less increase in performance. So u does spend like ah extra 1500-2000US for dat upper 20% of quality, which most men could care less for.

But i din want to spend 2000US, and always be wondering, what d best sounds like, and if i spend 2000US on audio equpiment, i wont want to upgrade no time soon, so i juss butt it, and lash.

My ears cant stop thanking me :)
Edit:

And to responde to crix, you are right, if you go to high, noticing d difference in quality becomes less and less, d key as u rigtfuly said, is source , if is mp3s u running, forget about it.  You need all ur music to be of the highest quality, same with movies, games is not a problem. But i think i hit ah nice level with what i got. But yea, it have other mad men out there, who take it to another level, running rigs costin 2 - 3 times what i pay lol.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Crixx_Creww on April 29, 2010, 03:33:35 PM
well according to de real audiophiles
that 3 to 5k us setup is "ok for the average listener"
Lol dem men from hell
$ 300 000 on ah stereo setup??
Madness
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Crixx_Creww on April 29, 2010, 03:39:03 PM
What source u use for music?
The madmen in them articles is vinyl and other arbitrary madness that most people will never use.

What are the best digital formats you reccommend?
You wanna start a thread/forum on digital music formats?

I think most of us know where to go for best digital video formats
but for most people mp3 is still the defacto format
after reading up the articles i had started looking for mpeg4 music but if it have better out there
enlighten us plixxx
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: mailman166 on April 29, 2010, 03:43:57 PM
Mad nesss :LOL: ... i agree with ARC i plan in future to spend this amt on speakers because i like music production and the possibilities of growing it into a viable business... Then again some guys buy 1M porshe's because of the noise of the engine why not 4K on some sexy looking and sounding "Aircraft carrier" headphones :D
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: mailman166 on April 29, 2010, 03:44:59 PM
FLac rocks as far as audio... I doh know why in this bandwith heaven called planet earth 2010 we still using 128 Kbps for mp3 encoding...
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Crixx_Creww on April 29, 2010, 03:50:05 PM
grazi mail man
will be looking up this flac you speaks of
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Arcmanov on April 29, 2010, 03:59:19 PM
Oh I'm quite sure you didn't 'wake up a morning' and buy all that by vaps, but still.  It amazes me that people spend that kinda money on just audio.  That is like four mid-range gaming PCs there. :laughing7:

I think you made your point quite well, but I'm a gamer first and foremost.
I almost NEVER watch movies on a headset, because I tend to like it LOUD,
and listening to loud movies like that will murder your hearing in very short order, so its Logitech speakers for that.

...and to think I was agonizing over spending 179 US for the Tritton Ax Pro eh. :)
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 29, 2010, 04:04:37 PM
Yea crix, MUSIC FORMATS!!!!:

I have ah couple vinyl albums, (doh ask meh where ah get it :) ), but d format yuh want to use is either

FLAC or WMA Lossless.

Both are lossless formats, lossless meaning, you loose no quiality from d oringal disc. Flac and WMA Lossess, is like Zip Files, and supported players, Unzips dem on the fly and plays it back. As such, you can rip an orignal disc, and the album will be 300MB as apposed to the orignal 600mb, but if u burn d 300MB FLAC/WMA L files it wud be as if u burning an iso rip of d original disc.

That being said, the type of compressiong mp3 uses, it actualy removes data from d files, on low end setups u wont notice d difference, but on ah high end setup like mine, u notice complete musical notes, MISSING from d song. I.E. on a high end setup using FLAC/WMA L you hear stuff in d music, dat just DOES NOT exsist in d mp3, FLAC/WMA L dont remove any data, juss compresses it like rar/zip.

Now, i've expereinment with both flac and wma, and most of d Lossless music you able to "aquire" on the net, will be flac, becuase its d more widely accepted format. WMA Lossless is microsfot format, and since i using windows 7, and window mobile phone, i opt to use dat format. it has better ID3 Tag support, track ratings, album / artist info, cover art built into d file, etc etc, so all my music is WMA Lossless.

DB PowerAmp is d tool to use, to convert from any music format to anything else, juss need d appropriate plugins depending.

Also i using windows media player, which gets missing information from d net, and put it in d music file itself.

My vote goes to WMA Lossless.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Redfish on April 29, 2010, 04:18:55 PM
*Looks at cost Messiah estimated...........pats 35us headset and then pats wallet*


Go strong Messiah, like I really in the flipping wrong line a wuk yes lmao
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 29, 2010, 04:20:39 PM
Yea arcman, if you're a gamer first, den i dont think justifying these kinda setups is posible lol.

But i does listen to msuic, and watch movies / tv series, more dan i does game.

And you say yuh like yuh thing LOUD!, like yuh din read meh part about pairing dis setup, with meh logitech z5500 woffer :), and let me tell u, d combo is insane. U feeling megatron voice in yuh chess, and d headphones giving u a quality to such a level, u hearing ever single mechanical piece of that transformer as he is trasnforming, d scene in Transfoerms 1 where d little robot infultrate airforce one. and d cookie fall out d woman hand and roll on d ground next to d robot, you coulda hear each rotation of dat cookie, you could make out d texture of d ground it fall on, and how ruff/smooth d carpet it was rollin on is. Dies d level of quality only posible, with rigs like this.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: woodyear99 on April 29, 2010, 04:21:02 PM
Wow nice setup MessiaaH. Indeed having a high end audio setup is not for everyone and hey some may say that a $200 headphones is good enough. Then again there are gamers who enjoy playing on their mid-low end gpus etc, saying that spending more is a waste of money. Some people will spend a few thousand to get just a small increase in fps. We've seen some of the hardware ppl on GATT have, seems as though people not as focused on the audio and more about the visuals.

That said if you enjoy music and want the highest quality then yeah I'm sure cheaper equipment not going to cut it. While some may say that audio quality differences between the $100 and $1000 setup not that noticeable I am sure to you there is a definite difference.

But yeah I myself struggle to purchase a headphones that over $100 US though in time I think I will to take advantage of surround sound in games.

d scene in Transfoerms 1 where d little robot infultrate airforce one. and d cookie fall out d woman hand and roll on d ground next to d robot, you coulda hear each rotation of dat cookie, you could make out d texture of d ground it fall on, and how ruff/smooth d carpet it was rollin on is. Dies d level of quality only posible, with rigs like this.

Wow with that kind of setup anything else will feel like low definition yes.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 29, 2010, 04:37:34 PM

Wow with that kind of setup anything else will feel like low definition yes.

EXACTLY!

And for men who want to get into this level of music, i recomend follwoing the path i did, which was also recomended to me, www.head-fi.org (http://www.head-fi.org) is d home of audiophiles, so i spend rel time there.

I started off with just a headphones, ah 80$ pair, not audio phile, den i moved up to ah 200$ audio phile headphones, but if u buyin fuh upgrade purposes, try to spend 200$+ on d headphones, to keep it in d lifespan long, den, add an amp after, i ran AudioPhile headphoens only for 1 year, den i add ah amp and d diference was like WOW!, ran dat fuh 2 years, den i upgraded to another headphones, then i upgraded to what u see now.


That being siad, i have ah HiFi headphones fuh sale:


http://www.headphone.com/headphones/sennheiser-hd-650.php (http://www.headphone.com/headphones/sennheiser-hd-650.php)

obiosuly for less than d price on d site :)
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 29, 2010, 04:50:29 PM
High End headphones are treated with respect in d audio comunity, as such, various sites offer replacements / upgraded parts for headphones.

http://www.headphone.com/accessories/headphone-parts.php (http://www.headphone.com/accessories/headphone-parts.php)

Ceck out dat link, d headphones i selling, i coudl juss replace d earpads to bring it back brand new,

Upgrade d cable, etc etc.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Redfish on April 29, 2010, 04:58:23 PM
^Nice I just may look to get one of these bad boys in the future for some serious listening yes, you have me very interested
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 29, 2010, 05:12:41 PM
Fellers, HiFi headphones dont have to be expensive, it juss have to be HiFi grade, and a HiFi headphoens will always outperformn a similarly prices  "gaming" or more commercial heapdhoens like Bose,and Panasonic, Logitech, etc. All HiFi headphones can, and will benifit from the addition of an AMP. Commerical headphones if u try to amp it, you coudl fry yuh drivers, as such, there is no room fuh upgrading it.

So before buying one of dem popular brands, check out similarly priced HiFi headphones. Ill list ah few in various price ranges, "Arcman take note, cuase u was considering spending 170$ on ah headphones, it have ah nice Little brother to mine, fuh 200$ bucks on amazon"

Headroom's Top 10 headphones of all time:

http://www.headphone.com/selection-guide/top-picks/10-best-headphones.php (http://www.headphone.com/selection-guide/top-picks/10-best-headphones.php)

Thats ah nice usefull link, as u can see, some of d top 10, are withing alyuh men budjet. Im providing d links to to them on my headphone site, for information and reviews, but serach d phones on amazon, for much much MUCH cheaper prices:

http://www.headphone.com/headphones/denon-ah-d1001s-silver.php (http://www.headphone.com/headphones/denon-ah-d1001s-silver.php) (i own this one, use it for mobile use, also comes in black)

http://www.headphone.com/headphones/denon-ah-d2000.php (http://www.headphone.com/headphones/denon-ah-d2000.php) (Little Little brother to my current headphones)

http://www.headphone.com/headphones/denon-ah-d5000.php (http://www.headphone.com/headphones/denon-ah-d5000.php) (Little brother to my current headphones and is also a Bass Monster)

http://www.headphone.com/headphones/beyerdynamic-dt-880---32-ohm-version.php (http://www.headphone.com/headphones/beyerdynamic-dt-880---32-ohm-version.php) (Another Bass Monster)

http://www.headphone.com/headphones/sennheiser-hd-650.php (http://www.headphone.com/headphones/sennheiser-hd-650.php) (reguarded as one of the best HiFi headphones after being amped, dis d one i have for sale)

Those headphones i post there, is more for men who like bass, if u looking fuh clarity over bass, i coudl recomend acordingly, i did tons and tons of reserach, ask alyuh questions and i go share what i learn.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Arcmanov on April 29, 2010, 06:33:14 PM
* Takes notes *
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: TriniXaeno on April 29, 2010, 06:59:28 PM
the one for $200 will have 3d positional audio and be able to connect to my ps3/360 as well?

Lemme know, cause I am just about to buy the ax pro.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 29, 2010, 07:10:50 PM
no HiFi headphoens will have 3d positional audio, what it does provide is an insane level of clarity and quality. So paired with a positional audio source (like ah soundblaster card) and it basicaly turns said headphones into what u looking for. wiht all d added advantages of plenty better sounding game. If you running d headphones without an amp, and directly to d PS3/Xbox, is ah simple matter of buying an adaptor/cable.

Is not rocket science to hook ah headphones or anything for that matter, up to ah Console for audio, all u need is an adaptor aviable at any store in trini. Juss plug d Audio Cables (red/white) into dat, and it gives u ah headphones out jack. So u could plug yuh headphones in there, yuh logitech speakers, yuh soundcard what have u. Cost like 5$ TT or somethign lol. U can even get spliters, and run yuh console audio to multiple sources.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 29, 2010, 07:20:11 PM
If ah was in trinidad, woulda let yuh demo some of meh HiFi headphones to hear what going on before yuh make any purchase, but as it is now, salt lol. D worse thing is buying ah headphoens before u actualy hear it, lol.

D one thing them commercial gaming grade headphones teribly lack, is ah nice proper bass response. Ah HiFi headphones, makes ah buckshot, sound like, ah BUCK! SHOT! lol. gaming headphones does soudn to thin, and plain, and bland for my tastes.

FS: ----

Sennheirser HD 650, In original packaging

http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-Open-Air-Dynamic-Audiophile-Headphone/dp/B00018MSNI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1272583414&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-Open-Air-Dynamic-Audiophile-Headphone/dp/B00018MSNI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1272583414&sr=8-1)

300$US Shipped.

Let meh know who interested
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Nephilim on April 29, 2010, 08:48:10 PM
grazi mail man
will be looking up this flac you speaks of

tl:dr but wrt this

be prepared to look long and hard if your into some obsure music, also be prepared for the size of your library to grow by double or more in disk space...case in point one album i have in flac...is a 1/3 the size in 320 mp3

the wma lossless is just as good if not maybe a lil better since you eh need nun again to run it on a win rig, also i know he mention it but i saying it again

WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER 12 ALBUM ART AND AUTO TAGGING IS SO POWERFUL IT WONT LET THE CAPS END!!!

BUILDING KICK!!!

EXPLOSIONNNNNN!!!

It have realll

PUH PUH PUH PUH PUH WHAAAA
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 29, 2010, 10:01:58 PM
^^^ what he said :)

Once yuh have wma lossless music in yuh musci fodler, and media player set to look at it, d auto art / track info jutsu begins.

And yea, d average size of ah 320k mp3 album is 80 megs, d average size of ah lossless album is 300 lol. but Hardrive space cheap now, 136$US fuh 2tb on amazon, lol insane.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Crixx_Creww on April 30, 2010, 12:58:22 AM
any of dem hi fi tingies wireless?
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: IsMe2003 on April 30, 2010, 07:39:49 AM
any of dem hi fi tingies wireless?

most likely not would be my bet, as most of them HiFi phones need amps
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 30, 2010, 09:10:56 AM
Bought a wireless panasonic headphones once and never want to go wireless again. But for what it's worth, that hifi headphone site dose have a section of wireless headphones:

http://www.headphone.com/headphones/wireless.php (http://www.headphone.com/headphones/wireless.php)

Check out d reviews on dem to see.
But a wireless headphones will always be outperfomrned by similarly priced wired.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Crixx_Creww on April 30, 2010, 10:03:11 AM
similarly priced true
but there is no reason a wireless headset can perform at the same level as a wired, it will cost alot more but the same bandwidth is available through the air...
and if you were willing to wear a big head sized head phone, you could do power over wireless as well for amping
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: IsMe2003 on April 30, 2010, 10:14:14 AM
similarly priced true
but there is no reason a wireless headset can perform at the same level as a wired, it will cost alot more but the same bandwidth is available through the air...
and if you were willing to wear a big head sized head phone, you could do power over wireless as well for amping

I'll stick with my $75 Zalman 5.1s  :happy0203:
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Crixx_Creww on April 30, 2010, 10:19:20 AM
lol but yu defeating the purpose of this thread then man

we trying to encourage men to move from standard def to hi def
to go from amd to intel
to go from ah fish pie to a richards bake and shark
from ah civic to ah veyron
and lastly , from ah barca to ah inter
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 30, 2010, 10:21:50 AM
If quality is what you lookin for, ah wireless headphones will never top d wired. in HiFi headphones, there are even cable upgrades, costing 300$ juss to replace d cable on the headphoen to a higher grade, to increase performance, some using silver etc etc. The cleanest power going to d headphone drivers is important, there are battery powered amps, and when used plugged in, d perfromance is better dan in battery mode.

Yuh not even talking wireless yet. D same bandwtih is avaiable over the air yes, but not the same power going to your headphone drivers.

Then wireless you have interferance and all kinda thing to worry about.

But like i say, similarly priced, wired go always win, id go so far to say, a 50-100$ cheaper wired, will beat a wireless.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: phoenix31tt on April 30, 2010, 10:29:56 AM
rofl @ from a barca to a inter... i is a barca man but u win with that one
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: IsMe2003 on April 30, 2010, 10:52:40 AM
lol but yu defeating the purpose of this thread then man

we trying to encourage men to move from standard def to hi def
to go from amd to intel
to go from ah fish pie to a richards bake and shark
from ah civic to ah veyron
and lastly , from ah barca to ah inter

LOL My bad  :happy0203:

nah but I fully support HiDef and into it as SD stuff is yesterdays news, I just not a believer in headphones and spending that kinda money behind it, i more into spending money behind real home theater speaker systems and equipment, not really into watching movies and listing to music on the PC, I hear MessiaaH setup personally, it ridiculous in its clarity and all that, but I still prefer my home theater setup over it, according to Akon, it’s not the same.

Only problem as he mentioned with big hi def speakers over the head phones is when I listen to music or watch a movie and I crank it up a little, the house starts to fall apart!  :happy0203:
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 30, 2010, 11:17:41 AM
i listen to isme2003 system as well, and if u want to experience what an earthquake feels like, then his rig is d way to go, and d clarity and quality is pretty top notch for a speaker system. But like i point out, and he confirmed, d biggest problem, you cant always crank it, certain ppl will cuss :), so to spend 7K+ US on a speaker system, to only take advnatage off once in ah while, seemed better for me to go d headphones route, which i can take advantage of all d time, anytime, which i do :), Logitech Z5500 can surfice for d ocssional sessions where i could crank it. Isme2003 should post up some pics and links of his rig.

Edit:

And for d ppl who think headphones unreliable and does spoil, cheap headphones does, HiFi headphones doesnt. They sound better with more use, and last for years, very high quality build, and d drivers in dem designed to take jam. All my hifi headphones stil in perfect working order, and i own some of dem ah while. And if somebody rel abuse yuh headphones, to mash up d cord, u get replacement cords sellin fuh dem thing.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: phoenix31tt on April 30, 2010, 11:43:57 AM
agreed at the cheap headphones part... and so do cheap speakers...

lets be real... cheap things does spoil lol...
and the main reason headphones spoil: shorts... cheap wiring and abuse
second reason: ppl try to push the drivers to hard.. it cheap so it cant handle the load... it go spoil

but on the real... HQ audio is worth it if you're really into music... some ppl just cant tell the diff between HQ music and lame crap... like men with some load ass music in the car and u hearin the trunk rattlin more than the music and ur eardrums bussin when ya in the car... cuz it soundin horrible... but they cool with it lol
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Crixx_Creww on April 30, 2010, 11:47:16 AM
yeah wired wins on price
and price alone, cause anything you can do wired, you can do wireless
just how far you willing to go.

If you like the crazy man in de gizmodo artilce who spend 300 000 us on his rig
and you put that into a wireless setup, you could mashup wired too
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 30, 2010, 11:52:51 AM
crixx i do not agree.

Wireless technology is not yet at the point to acomplish what you claim it can acomplish. Its just that simple, and d wireless headphones tech you talking about, juss doesnt exist, becuase no company put d funding behind reseraching something like dat, when dey can spend half and develop high end wired headphones.

in ah range from 1-10, d best wireless headphones money can buy, wud probably be ah 5, and wired headphones will take d next 5 spots

As of right now, 2010, wireless headphones juss not what u say it is.
And it wil be 50 years, before it is.

Wireless headphoens was big back in d day when dey now came out, but consumers and retailer quickly realised, spend more money behind wired.

D most ill go is wireless for mobile use, but even mobiel, i running ah hifi/mobile amp lol.

Edit:

Its like trying to compare a wireless network to wired, if performance is what you looking for, no matter how mcuh money u spend, a wireless network wil only tansfer data  at ah certain speed, becuase d technology is just not at d point right now to take it further. Same holds ture for wireless headphoens vs wired.

I've owned wireless headphones before, and seen the horros dey entail, buyers be ware.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Crixx_Creww on April 30, 2010, 12:12:11 PM
crixx i do not agree.

Wireless technology is not yet at the point to acomplish what you claim it can acomplish. Its just that simple, and d wireless headphones tech you talking about, juss doesnt exist, becuase no company put d funding behind reseraching something like dat, when dey can spend half and develop high end wired headphones.

in ah range from 1-10, d best wireless headphones money can buy, wud probably be ah 5, and wired headphones will take d next 5 spots

As of right now, 2010, wireless headphones juss not what u say it is.
And it wil be 50 years, before it is.

Wireless headphoens was big back in d day when dey now came out, but consumers and retailer quickly realised, spend more money behind wired.

D most ill go is wireless for mobile use, but even mobiel, i running ah hifi/mobile amp lol.

Edit:

Its like trying to compare a wireless network to wired, if performance is what you looking for, no matter how mcuh money u spend, a wireless network wil only tansfer data  at ah certain speed, becuase d technology is just not at d point right now to take it further. Same holds ture for wireless headphoens vs wired.

I've owned wireless headphones before, and seen the horros dey entail, buyers be ware.

Not stepping on your toes but your not exactly correct eh.
Maybe no one has yet put the existing wireless technologies into a headphone, but to say that the technology does not exist to transmit data at super high speed is wrong.
Wireless does not just mean blue tooth or Radio.

Same thing in data networks, look at simple 802.11n, currently at higher throughput than 10/100 ether networks.
and thats consumer grade wireless, not even satelite level bandwidth.

THen there is power over wireless.. lol @ how much power can be transmitted over wireless, from space to earth taking into account loss due to resistance and em disturbance.
THey even sending power on digital pulses within an analog transmission from space to earth.

THe tech is there, not 50 years from now, steups hell , tesla was doing this shit more than 50 years ago. So the tech exist and thats what i mean by saying it can be done, but wired just beats it on price.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: phoenix31tt on April 30, 2010, 12:23:19 PM
yea the tech does exist... and wireless data transmission has come along way... even that PoW tech is there

but take everything into context... the tech isn't being applied to headsets on that level, its not even entering mainstream generally muchless for headsets...  and what messiah sayin is.. it wont be for quite some time... i think 50 years is to much but... its def not before vision 2020 :)
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 30, 2010, 12:26:24 PM
bob, read all d parts i say, about no company spend d money required to put that tech into a wireless headphones, d tech does not exsist meaning, d wireless headphones products, do not exsist.

Also, i did say, wrirless woudl hit #5, meaning, it would beat 4 other wired setups aka wireless N vs 10/100 networks. That being said, who using 10/100 still :S my home network is all Gigabit lol, muchless fuh ppl officies, 10/100 is years upon years, upon years....UPON YEARS old, lolol. so obviously a recent wireless technology may be able to out perform it, but thats like comparing d first apple apitva, to ah 3000$TT system of 2009, lolol.

And yes i know all about satilites etc etc, and even at that level, wired networks will always outperform wired. And we dont need to take d argument to a multi-billion dollor level, to say wireless headphones has its uses,  lolol, and it will take at least 50 years, before wireless headphones reach d level u claim it could be. and 50 years is being generous. i doubt even by den, u seeing any wireless headphones capable of d performance a top of d line wireed headphoens of today is capable of.

Bottom line is, Dont buy ah wireless headphones, unless u want to listen to shit on yuh head, lolol, if u have no problem with d way shit sounds, for d gain of wireless convinence, den by all means. But if u want, PERFORMANCE, wireless is a definate NO!.

And im sure if any client calls u, and says to u, dey want a network performaning relly good, u are not in a milion years, recomend to dem, a Wireless N network lolol.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Crixx_Creww on April 30, 2010, 12:38:42 PM
it depends on the clients situation
i would first reccommend wired
but if their request is a wireless network
or they need to transmit over vasts distances
then yes i would do wireless.
And again, how can you say a wired network would always outperform a wireless network??
That statement doesnt make sense.
IF you say, based on a cost per performance solution, wired would always be a better choice and even THEN that is not a given.
What are your performance parameters? If its purely throughput then how is a 1 gigabit wired network any different from a 1 gigabi wireless network?
If you take into account latency then you start to make a point
but again there are so many different types of wireless networks that you can always get a solution with low latency and high throughput.
and i know you gonna be proven wrong about 50 years for a mega hi fi wireless headset

and your scale of "shit" is subjective
your system might sound amazing
but to super sicko audiophiles
your 4k system sounds like shit to them
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 30, 2010, 12:55:59 PM
When i say a wired network will always outperform a wireless, i mean at similar price points, any comparison i make, its based on cost/performance ratio. So take everything said as such.

Also, i said, if a client, say, dey want """"""A NETWORK PERFORMING REALLY WELL""""" ah office network, if you recomend wireless to them, yuh go loss yuh wok. if d client say, dey need d flexability of chaning locations, or dey dont want to run no wire, den wireless is obvious. But i specificaly say, if d client ask fuh performance, u are not going to recomend wireless. u are going to recomend ah Dlink, Netgear, Cisco, Linksys Gigabit switch.

If a client want 2 remote locations linked, for minimal traffic, den ah high end wireless network may be d way, but once u start talking bout performance, and high data bandwith needs, wired is d way. So once u talking performance, wired is d way, dats d I.T. industry today and there is no denying that. yuh not going to recomend ah multi-billion $ wireless network to get d perfomrance u want, u are going to recomedn a TSTT Point-Point fiber network, MetroE, or ah Flow Point-Point lan segment. yuh not going to watch d client and say, spend 2 million dollors, to go wireeless to do d same job :)

I know "shit" is subjective, but when i say shit, again, i am talking price/performance ratio compared to headphones.

A 100$ wireless headphones is going to sound like "Shit" compared to a 100$ wired. but if u dont mind hearing "shit" to get d convience of wired den by all means. but if u looking for d best audio quality yuh pocket can afford, Wired is d way. if u dont care bout quality, and u want wireless, den yes, wireless. Everything has its uses, but wireless headphones does not belong in d HiFi market as of today, 2010.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 30, 2010, 01:00:37 PM
We trying to get men to go HiFi with nice setups, proper music formats etc etc, if men interested in wireless, is bess dey Stick to MP3s and forget dis hifi thing all together :)
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Crixx_Creww on April 30, 2010, 01:08:46 PM
i understand what you saying v networks, once you qualify your statement then cool.

But as for audio
Since audio is such a damn subjective field, there is wiggle room.
Some men ok with having ah 42 inch 720p screen an bawlin dey rocking Hi Def... and it irks me but some will be die hard on de price point on 42 inches of 720 p
where as i would rather take 28 inches of low latency 1080p
but they are both Hi Def screens no?

So say wireless is like 720p audio
it not like low def or standard def
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 30, 2010, 01:17:06 PM
disagree again, i think wireless is below 720p audio.

D wireless headphones i owned, cost like 150$, and that thing was like ah pirate movie. So i recond a 300$ wireless headphones go bring it up to standard def. And wirleess headphoens suffer from terible latency issues, u betters not have no wireless networks in yuh house if using one and want it to work good. When i replaced said wireless headphones back with a smilarly priced wired, i never looked back.

If u are using wireless headphones, u will hear no difference at all, bewteen MP3s, and FLAC / WMA Lossless. It will be like trying to watch ah 1080p movie on yuh phone, is better u compress it to d resolution of d phone, it wil show just d same.

So again, if wireless is what u want, sure, dies fuh SD/MP3s.

If u want to get into HD Music, wired is d way. Ur example does not apply. Is better u did say, Ah 52" Plasma with horid Contras Ration / Color Gorments / Screen Quality, vs 32" Toshiba Regza HD TV.

If u comfortable watching shit for d convience of ah big screen, den by all means, if u looking fuh quality, then its ah nono
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 30, 2010, 01:20:08 PM
This is a user review of one of d best wireless headphones i cud find:
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Sennheiser RS 180
Posted by charlesmat from South Africa, Gauteng on 2010-04-05

Recommend Product: No
Pros: Comfortable, no wires!!
Cons: Latency issues


Altough this headphones are comfortable and the sound is good,I am having latency issues which is making this unuseable.

----

HiFi Formular:

Wireless Headphones = Pirate Movie Quality
300$+ Wireles Headphons  = SD
300$ Wired Headphones = 480p
300$ Wired Head + 300$ Amp = 720p
+200$ on Headphone&Amp = +25p

Derived from personal expereince with tons of headphone equpiment, and tons and tons of research.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Crixx_Creww on April 30, 2010, 02:53:36 PM
from that review, the man was having latency issues
that says nothing for the audio quality on that particular unit, could be @ 720p with latency issues

Iam certain that a wireless hifi headset could deliver somewhere between 480p and 720p
But wired headsets are all expected to start at 1080p and go up
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 30, 2010, 03:13:47 PM
no, a wired headset does not start at 1080p, yuh analagies are wrong boy. i am d man who has owned all dis equpiment, from wireless, to normal wired phones to hifi phones, i know what i talking bout.

Dat formular i provide, is acurate. and also represents the deminishing returns of HiFi gears.

U only hiting 720p once ampped. and u only reaching 1080p, on d better amps. Please do some research, please, you are makin statements with no weight behind it, u are saying what u THINK it is, i am talking based on what i know for a fact, what i expereince myself, and what tons of research show. Do some reading , (alot), den come back to make dem claims.

Wireless headphones could never be 720p, when a 300$ wired is not even 720p :s 300$ wired plus 300$ amp u now hit 720p

Ah 300$ headphone by it self is 480p

Watch my formular.

Again, these are some of d hifi wired headphones ive owned, go reserach dem:

Grado sr80, grado 325i, sennheiser hd650, denon d5000, denond7000.

All headphones throughout d range.
I've also owned the Headroom MicroAmp with home modules. and now my current amp setup.

I know what d difference between amped headphones and non-amped headphones sound like, u do not. I know d difference between how a wireless headphones sound, and a hifi headphones sound. You do not.

But buy dem and test dem yuhself and waste ur money and see for yuhself :)

BUt if u go and do some reserach, all hifi men will tell u d same thing i am telling u, because we all expereince d tech ourselfs, and since men in trinidad, dont have d luxary of walking in ah store and testin shit fuh deyself, dey have to go on the recomendation of others. which is what i did.

www.head-fi.org (http://www.head-fi.org)

Please start reading before makin any more ridiculous statements about wifi is 720p, yuh never even hear ah amped headphones so how do u even know what 720p sounds like :S, is like somebody trying to judge ah 3d moive wihtout even seeing iwhat 3d looks like., is like ah man watching ah original DVD and saying, dats 720p content, and he never see ah 720p movie in his life to know d difference.

Resarch ppl, RESEARCH!
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Crixx_Creww on April 30, 2010, 03:46:19 PM
no, a wired headset does not start at 1080p, yuh analagies are wrong boy. i am d man who has owned all dis equpiment, from wireless, to normal wired phones to hifi phones, i know what i talking bout.

Dat formular i provide, is acurate. and also represents the deminishing returns of HiFi gears.

U only hiting 720p once ampped. and u only reaching 1080p, on d better amps. Please do some research, please, you are makin statements with no weight behind it, u are saying what u THINK it is, i am talking based on what i know for a fact, what i expereince myself, and what tons of research show. Do some reading , (alot), den come back to make dem claims.

Wireless headphones could never be 720p, when a 300$ wired is not even 720p :s 300$ wired plus 300$ amp u now hit 720p

Ah 300$ headphone by it self is 480p

Watch my formular.

Again, these are some of d hifi wired headphones ive owned, go reserach dem:

Grado sr80, grado 325i, sennheiser hd650, denon d5000, denond7000.

All headphones throughout d range.
I've also owned the Headroom MicroAmp with home modules. and now my current amp setup.

I know what d difference between amped headphones and non-amped headphones sound like, u do not. I know d difference between how a wireless headphones sound, and a hifi headphones sound. You do not.

But buy dem and test dem yuhself and waste ur money and see for yuhself :)

BUt if u go and do some reserach, all hifi men will tell u d same thing i am telling u, because we all expereince d tech ourselfs, and since men in trinidad, dont have d luxary of walking in ah store and testin shit fuh deyself, dey have to go on the recomendation of others. which is what i did.

www.head-fi.org (http://www.head-fi.org)

Please start reading before makin any more ridiculous statements about wifi is 720p, yuh never even hear ah amped headphones so how do u even know what 720p sounds like :S, is like somebody trying to judge ah 3d moive wihtout even seeing iwhat 3d looks like., is like ah man watching ah original DVD and saying, dats 720p content, and he never see ah 720p movie in his life to know d difference.

Resarch ppl, RESEARCH!

ill do some research and prove that you dont know everything there is to know about hifi setups

but your going under the wrong assumption that i have never used or heard hifi
ive never owned said pieces of equipment, because sound is secondary to sight for me
but i have experienced them :( really sorry you went and write all that under the assumption that i havent experienced any of these things
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 30, 2010, 04:22:54 PM
so you listened to an amped headphones before? what headphone and what amp? exactly what u refering to as HiFi? And how long have u tested it for, how much hours, u get chance to see what it can really provide? etc etc.

And i never claim to know eveyrthing bout hifi setups, but i know, wireless headphones will never sound like wired, dies what i know :)

So again, ahve u heard an ampped headphones, and what make model etc.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 30, 2010, 07:02:24 PM
Introduction to DACs (Digital Audio Converter):

To achieve true 720p and beyond quality in headphone listening, 4 major components are required. 1) Headphones 2) Amp 3) DAC 4) Powersupply.

The purpose of an amp should be obvious at this point, it provides clean stable power to the headphones, this power is not required for just volume, more power = better controll of the speaker drivers which  = better sound even at lower volumes.

Once your headphone receives enough power, what becomes more important than an AMP is a DAC. Formula Example: 300$ AMP + 300$ DAC > 600$ AMP

A dac is used to convert digital information (MP3s, FLAC, WMA Lossless etc), to an analog signal which can be interpreted by the headphones and produces sound. DACs can be found on a PC's soundcard. Better more expensive soundcards has better quality becuase of better DACs used in the particular soundcard. in HiFi listening, External DACs are used, and very importnat. (think onboard sound vs xfi). The better quality dacs u have, the better the audio sounds period. So as long as your headphones meet a basic power requirement, the next best step is to increase DAC performance.

Both Amps and Dacs requires alot of power. My setup came with power bricks stock. but the use of an independant power supply was highly recommended, to properly feed the power hungry amp and dac.

That being said. A wireless headphones, needs to convert the digital wifi signals, to analog for the speaker drivers to produce the sound. The quality of dacs in an onboard pc soundcard, is in itself superior to the quality of dac you would find in a wireless headphone.

Take into consideration, the size of compoentns used in HiFi amps and dacs, and the power requirements needed to power both an amp and a dac. and try to pack dem all, into a wireless headphones, and you will easily see, it is just not posible in this day and age, for wireless headphoens to achieve HiFI, unless you plan to be wearing a headphones the size of cape cod, which defeats the whole purpose of a wireless setup.

If you are feeding your dac via an anolog source on your pc (3.5mm jack) you are defeating the whole purpose of what the dac provides, the dac needs to be fed by a true digital source (optical/usb).

And thus concludes another chapter of HiFi.

Links for futher explanations/reserach (crixx)

Do You Need a Headphone Amp? (http://www.life123.com/technology/home-electronics/headphones/do-you-need-a-headphone-amp.shtml)

How Do Wireless Headphones Work? (http://www.life123.com/technology/home-electronics/headphones/how-do-wireless-headphones-work.shtml)

 HeadRoom Amp/DAC/Etc Learning Center  (http://www.headphone.com/learning-center/)

Crixx im interested in your thoughts about wifi headphones after a good read of the various articles ive posted and your own research :)
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Crixx_Creww on May 14, 2010, 04:12:19 PM
http://dealzon.com/deals/beats-by-dr-dre-studio-high-definition-headphones-by-monster (http://dealzon.com/deals/beats-by-dr-dre-studio-high-definition-headphones-by-monster)

OOoo, from what i read these are pretty decent and now they have ah sale
i wantzzz
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: phoenix31tt on May 14, 2010, 05:40:08 PM
i dont know bout the headphones... but it is my personal opinion that ALL monster gear are overpriced.. cuz other brands perform just as well...

mostly you pay for the name
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: IsMe2003 on May 15, 2010, 09:01:55 AM
i dont know bout the headphones... but it is my personal opinion that ALL monster gear are overpriced.. cuz other brands perform just as well...

mostly you pay for the name

That’s the same think I thought and opted for a cheap set of HDMI cables (about US$20 each compared to the Monster version for US$125 each) to hock up my gear and a no brand power center for protection, all the HDMI cable failed and the power center blew up after a few months as the equipment draws to much high current. I switched back to my Monster HDMI cable and a Monster EPIR-2450 and that was that.

The monster stuff may be overpriced but you do get what you pay for, unless you Name MessiaaH and got a pair of faulty monster cables from Amazon :happy0203:
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: TriniXaeno on May 15, 2010, 09:16:02 AM
alyuh going to totally and thoroughly confuse people with that 720p, 1080p and 25p nonsense in reference to headphones, lol
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on May 15, 2010, 11:11:47 AM
crixx related audio quality to bluray format and we juss roll with that, doh seem confusing really lolol. adn i had research some dr dre headphones in d past, but when u buy dat u paying more for brand name dan anything else. a similarly priced HiFi headphones will wipe d floor with that headphones. These are the brands u want to look at, i spending more than 150$ on a headphones: Denon, Sennheiser, AKG, Grado. Those are the top 4 HiFi headphone companies. And a similarly priced headphones from any of those guys will be worlds apart comapred to dat dr dre.

U can have a Denon AH-D2000 for that same price, which is very similar to the D5000 which i previously owned.

Juss take a read of the very first customer review for the Dr Dree, from my HiFi site i get all my gear from:

http://www.headphone.com/headphones/monster-beats-by-dre-studio.php (http://www.headphone.com/headphones/monster-beats-by-dre-studio.php)

That review speaks for itself :S, read d other reviews on that same cusotmer review page also.

All i can do is try to warn ppl not to waste their money buying shit, but i know when men make up they mind, their is no chanign it, ah well. And again shit is relative to the price/perfomrance of vs other alternatives. and no offense, but thet Dr Dree headphones is shit, and i will not recommend it to anyone spending dat kinda money. Bass Junkies = Denon / Sennheiser, Detail Junkies = Grado / AKG. (ive personaly owned a headphones from each of those guys so i know what i talking bout. and i purchase dem based on tons of reserach at Head-Fi.org)
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Crixx_Creww on May 20, 2011, 09:28:15 PM
MESSIAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have come to report you have completely poisoned me!!!

Since ive moved to the states, ive been stung inside and out with the audiophile plague.

I have not spent a dime on gaming hardware... but slowely building up my audiophile gear!!

Iam trying to be sensible with my purchases, iam contantly on head-fi.org
seeking knowledge and then hunting for bargains.

I now have the sony bdp bx57 Blu ray player, using TOSLINK for audio output, as my monitor speakers is garbage.

I plan on using the blu ray player to play SACD and dvd audio.
Right now iam trying to get a DAC under 100 usd with optical in and headphone out, not an easy task at all!! grrrr

But my functional equipment right now is
Grado Sr60i into
Electric Avenues PA2 portable amp
Using VLC on the mac for CD playback and Songbird on pc and mac for flac playback.
Using CDs and the best flacs i can find online.
Including downloading (and paying for) albums from hdtracks.com

I must say, i cant even listen to my car radio, or mp3s or youtube videos any more
Ive been completely spoilt.

If you know of a DAC under 100 with optical in and audio jack out, please let me know.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on May 20, 2011, 10:17:34 PM
^^ Someone finally understands.

Welcome to the world of audiophile, and sorry to say, its only going to get worse.
d Sr60i is ah nice budget phones, grados is d most detailed headphones. and d higher up u go, d better it gets. but when u reach ah certain point, deminishing returns.

Anyways, go to www.headphone.com (http://www.headphone.com) thats where i got all my gears.
i think they have ah dac for 150$ or so. they have portable ones for 100$.

Like yuhself.

And yes, head-fi.org is where i get baptize too.

Your pocket curses you, but your ears love you. lol.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on August 09, 2011, 04:24:47 PM
Best Headphones Ever Made?

Head-Fi TV, Episode 008: Stax SR-009 and Woo Audio WES (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afkYRJU0Dlw&feature=player_embedded#ws)

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/560425/head-fi-tv-episode-008-stax-sr-009-best-headphone-ever-made (http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/560425/head-fi-tv-episode-008-stax-sr-009-best-headphone-ever-made)

*Gulps*
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: IsMe2003 on August 09, 2011, 05:17:36 PM
Best Headphones Ever Made?

Head-Fi TV, Episode 008: Stax SR-009 and Woo Audio WES (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afkYRJU0Dlw&feature=player_embedded#ws)

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/560425/head-fi-tv-episode-008-stax-sr-009-best-headphone-ever-made (http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/560425/head-fi-tv-episode-008-stax-sr-009-best-headphone-ever-made)

*Gulps*

Is that Ah freaking Tube AMP? :S and electrostatic head phones :S

The only place i ever see electrostatic speakers is on a pair of Bowerers&Wilkins in meh audio store that sell for the same price as a small house not to mention the Prima Luna tube amps powering them, thats another house.

i fraid to watch this video to find out the price of that phone and amp

Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Philosophical45 on August 09, 2011, 06:31:48 PM
Hoss, you mean to tell me is $5200 for ONE!!! pair of headphones jed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aaaaand you need ah amp, and that tube amp cost $5000?!?!??!?!?! WHAT THE F(*&*K....

May the lord have mercy on y'all audiophiles!
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: phoenix31tt on August 09, 2011, 06:31:59 PM
I just watch it... Jah ras is all I could say yes.. At that level of detail u might as well be getting the original recording plate straight from the artist studio
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Berzerk on August 09, 2011, 06:41:09 PM
Man say it like wiring the audio straight to your brain oui.

Nice stuff.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Philosophical45 on August 09, 2011, 06:41:27 PM
I just watch it... Jah ras is all I could say yes.. At that level of detail u might as well be getting the original recording plate straight from the artist studio

at that level of detail, you could pay for a live performance in yuh bedroom... wah d hell is dis!
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Doomtack on August 09, 2011, 07:06:26 PM
Is there an artiste worth spending this money to listen to?
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on August 09, 2011, 07:11:45 PM
I would love to hear that setup some day *sigh*

And doomtack, is not juss music, i does rock my gear for movies and games as well.
Remember transformers 1 where d small robot invade airforce 1, and d cookie fell and roll on d ground. On my setup i coudl tell u how heavy d cookie is, d texture of d carpet, and how far it roll.

With dese suckers it mite sound like d cookie fall right next tuh yuh lololololol.

Anyways small example. There is no denying, those are disgustingly nasty awesome phones. But at that price, ill repeat my initial comment -> *gulp*
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Crixx_Creww on August 09, 2011, 09:37:15 PM
Is there an artiste worth spending this money to listen to?

VERYYYYY GOOD!!!QUESTION !!
Ive become obsessed with source material, now that ive peaked at what hardware i can get for my nacent audiophile budget.

JAZZ! JAZZ and Jimmi Hendrix is the answer.
Ive begun buying up all the cds, music dvds and hd tracks from hd-tracks.com of the best jazz i can find.

Miles davis and John Coltrane are amazing.
There is a cd called tribute to bunny, that has some amazzinggggg jazz. omg in love.

On the rap side, mos def and common have really good production.
And lord hendrix, his music will change your soul on hi def.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Doomtack on August 09, 2011, 09:47:21 PM
I agree with music, movies and games. I too have a pretty decent Hi Fi setup. But i can't see myself spending that kinda money for a setup.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on August 09, 2011, 10:49:38 PM
^^ VERY few ppl can lololol. Its d best headphones ever made, and comes with a price, not everybody can justify it.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: RustyPlumber on August 10, 2011, 08:55:17 AM
nice looking cans,first time i've ever seen electro static on headphones though,usually martin logan does this kinda stuff on his speakers,the higher end ones.As for anyone interested into getting in this audiophile hobby,be warned,as if you couldnt tell already,it's verrrryyyy costly. Had 2 Pairs of Sennheisers back in the day,and thats what started me off.currently moved away from can's and more into the loudspeaker part of it.For some good deals,you guys can check this site out, http://www.audiogon.com/ (http://www.audiogon.com/) Dont be shocked if you see a turntable,tube amp or some wilson audio speakers for over 100k usd though.

As for what type of music people listen to,everyone has their own personal preference,but most of them come to the agreement that artist such like steely dan,frank sinatra,nat king cole etc,really brings your system to life.I myself am a sellout for sting,i love all his recordings,even back when he was with the police. I can go on and on,but you get the idea.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: IsMe2003 on August 11, 2011, 10:26:09 PM
I agree with music, movies and games. I too have a pretty decent Hi Fi setup. But i can't see myself spending that kinda money for a setup.

When i started into home theater audio/video equipment, i told my self any half decent speaker and TV go wok cause i cant see my self spending crazy man money behind high end speaks, amps, av processors etc.

But dude when yua try it and venture off into the high end arena, the only way to go is freaking down the crazy hill yes. i cant see my self not spending the money behind high end a/v gear
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Crixx_Creww on August 11, 2011, 10:37:32 PM
*hops into barrel*
*rolls down crazy hill*

Jazz is really doing it for me right now.
Iam a rock man myself, and ive been sad that alot of the new stuff sounds terrible in hi def, so everyone keeps saying get all the rolling stones tuff in hd, which does sound phenomenal!
except.. i dont like their music... I find rolling stones sounds best... when done by other people.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: RustyPlumber on August 13, 2011, 05:24:55 AM
Some eye candy for you guys.These setup's are all local btw :)

(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/227/speakersdog005.jpg)



This one cost well over 100k usd retail

(http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo10/rip_sti/DSC00694-1.jpg)

(http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo10/rip_sti/DSC00695.jpg)


Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Crixx_Creww on August 13, 2011, 12:09:13 PM
local nrop!!! ZOMGGGG!!!! *drool*
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Doomtack on August 13, 2011, 03:11:05 PM
damn, i wish i could hear some o ya'll setups.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: mailman166 on August 14, 2011, 02:57:30 AM
SO can we organise a blacked out window panel van, meet a few of us at grand bazaar and take us to your house... with hoods over our heads so we wont know where u live but get to hear such elite gear......
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Doomtack on August 14, 2011, 10:50:32 AM
^agreed
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: RustyPlumber on August 15, 2011, 03:51:58 PM
pfft,none of those pics posted are any of my gear. i just hotlinked it from another forum. My system is entry level. I've got PSB Image B6 speakers,Cambridge Audio Azur 650A amp,still saving to get a Cambridge Audio DAC magic,NAD 515BEE CD Player (will be used soley as a Transport)Audioquest speaker wires and a Pro-Ject Audio RPM 1.3 Turntable with a Orfton Red Catridge Upgrade.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: IsMe2003 on August 16, 2011, 10:00:10 AM
pfft,none of those pics posted are any of my gear. i just hotlinked it from another forum. My system is entry level. I've got PSB Image B6 speakers,Cambridge Audio Azur 650A amp,still saving to get a Cambridge Audio DAC magic,NAD 515BEE CD Player (will be used soley as a Transport)Audioquest speaker wires and a Pro-Ject Audio RPM 1.3 Turntable with a Orfton Red Catridge Upgrade.

Some nice HigDef equipment in the Second Pic, what forum did you get them from, i'm a hi def fanatic on the Home theater/Audio side and always interested in forums concerning it, especially local ones to as not many are around
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: RustyPlumber on September 12, 2011, 09:56:21 PM
^taken from trinituner,but it's in a hometheater thread. There are alot of audiophiles locally with crazy gear,but they usually keep to themselves.I myself am on the verge of finishing my mid priced hi fi audio  digital setup. Just awaiting Audioquest type 8 cables and Audioquest King Cobra Interconnector RCA's now.Will probably start the analog part next year.CD's would have to work for now (Although i have alot of LP's lying down here,that'll have to wait)
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on September 29, 2011, 03:45:34 PM
More expensive doesnt alwasy mean better:

http://www.headphone.com/headphones/ultrasone-edition-10.php (http://www.headphone.com/headphones/ultrasone-edition-10.php)

Listening Impressions:

Ultrasone Edition 10 Headphone Review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34S4Tt1EuQ#ws)
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: RustyPlumber on September 30, 2011, 06:31:24 PM
according to bob carver,headphones will always be flawed acoustic space wise,the sound is bouncing off your inner ear,then bouncing back towards the headphone etc. take a look at this vid,i admit,its kinda long,but if you know bob carver,and the path he paved for audio gear,you'll appreciate it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ9USqpclWc
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on September 30, 2011, 06:44:26 PM
Rass go watch that in ah timing, but headphones always flawed? lololol.

My headphones setup sound better than most if not all speaker setups i've ever heard.

So if flawed means, Juicy sweet delicious pin dropping detail, allowing u to hear notes in music u never knew was there, allowing u to hear every scrape of metal in a transformer when it transform, or hear each footstep of a marching army as if u was stand up right there.

Den flawed is where its at!

On another note:

Roundup of d Best headphones in d world.
Audeze LCD-2 have my name all over it.

After a Long Day Reviewing the World's Best Headphones (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKbOgAzaY2g#ws)

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/comparing-world-class-headphones (http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/comparing-world-class-headphones)


Audeze and HifiMan Planar Magnetic Headphones Explained:

Anatomy of a Planar Magnetic Headphone Driver (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I2lyIQDC24#ws)
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: RustyPlumber on September 30, 2011, 07:48:59 PM
^maybe you should re-read what i posted, will always be flawed acoustic space wise. But hey,dont take my word for it,look even Tyll Hertsen,same guy you posted above admits it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyLSNrMjWdI


My Modest setup so far:

Cambridge Audio Azur 650A Amp
Cambridge Audio Azur 650C CD Player (dual Wolfson's)
PSB Image B6 Speakers
Audioquest Type 8 Speaker wire
Audioquest King Cobra Interconnector RCA's

(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1650/31174010150322468117179.jpg)
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on September 30, 2011, 07:52:15 PM
Dread u finding some long ass vids, i go watch them thing when i have time lololol. ah hr ah pop? rass. lol go take dem in in ah timing.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on September 30, 2011, 08:02:47 PM
Nice Kit, check dese bad boys out:

http://www.headphone.com/accessories/harbeth-p3esr-speakers-rosewood.php (http://www.headphone.com/accessories/harbeth-p3esr-speakers-rosewood.php)

But thats jus speakers alone, each need ah independant amp.
True hifi speakers.

When i ready to dabble in hifi speakers i go see wah going on.
But headphones ftw right now.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: RustyPlumber on September 30, 2011, 08:15:39 PM
^cool,with regards to speakers though,make sure and do alot of research before buying,unless you live in the USA or something,there is no place here locally to audition speakers really,took me over a year of research and reviews to finally pull the trigger,really wanted to get the imagine series,but they cost 12k down here from the dealer,these only cost me only 5k with warranty etc.Also everything i bought so far got great reviews on stereophile magazine,even the lower line PSB Alpha B1's got product of the year in 2008 i believe,and won awards worldwide for the sound at the price,280usd a pair,which is a bargain.

But enough rattling about,2 hobbies people SHOULD NOT GET INTO
1- Audiophile-people get real anal about their gear
2-Salt Water Reef Tanks-people get real anal about their setups

you can kiss all your $$ goodbye :(
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on September 30, 2011, 08:27:44 PM
YUP!!!!! at audiophile and $$ gone lololol.

And yea i does do tons of research before i buy anything, not in d country now doh.
And i go check out them speakers u running.

But i rel research my present kit before buying it.
And d Audeze LCD-2 i sniping next, i done do meh research aready on that bad boy.

But i prepared to return it / sell it, if it not better than my current headphones.
Not being able to audition is ah bitch.

On d hot list:

http://www.headphone.com/headphones/audeze-lcd-2-leather-with-travel-case.php (http://www.headphone.com/headphones/audeze-lcd-2-leather-with-travel-case.php)
and
http://www.headphone.com/accessories/cables/cablepro-reverie-audeze-lcd-2-balanced-cable.php (http://www.headphone.com/accessories/cables/cablepro-reverie-audeze-lcd-2-balanced-cable.php)

Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: RustyPlumber on September 30, 2011, 08:37:29 PM
Like it's me and you alone here or wha? lol, If you wanna get great deals on gear,you can also check out this site,been seeing lots of great deals here,but their very very suspicious of shipping to skybox addresses,so thats why i had to buy everything retail:

www.audiogon.com (http://www.audiogon.com)

also
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?cablintr&1322304621&/Argento-Audio-Flow-Master-Ref- (http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?cablintr&1322304621&/Argento-Audio-Flow-Master-Ref-)

same headphones:
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrplan&1322610426&/Audeze-LCD-2-Headphones (http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrplan&1322610426&/Audeze-LCD-2-Headphones)

Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on September 30, 2011, 08:40:30 PM
Go check dem out, but i have ah good relationship with headroom, they give me like 1000$US of my last purchase, and they say, they giving me 10% off d LCD with d Cable.

Brand new with full warranty and 30 days no questions asked return policy.
Talk to ah rep via email, customize my order, tel him exactly what i want, then juss paypal dem d $, done. he ship to anywhere.

Originally had some issues billing and shipping to skybox, but we work out ah deal where they take half d money immediately, and d other half when they ship it. So since that, i get my stuff without trouble.

And yea, like is juss we lol.

Edit:

D one i getting have d leather finish, it have dat same one on headroom for d same 950 retail. so 855$ after meh discount, with all meh warranty, return policies, and security. d price i paying for that, not trusting shadey sites nah, atal lol.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on September 30, 2011, 09:13:11 PM
Hear nah, d soundeffects in transformers 2 is simply amazing, i shitting myself here watching that show with this rig. JAH!
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: TriniXaeno on October 01, 2011, 07:01:35 AM
Go check dem out, but i have ah good relationship with headroom, they give me like 1000$US of my last purchase, and they say, they giving me 10% off d LCD with d Cable

US$1000 off you say??? WTMC
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on October 01, 2011, 11:57:56 AM
Yea veggie, i now finish watch d 2nd video, i see what u talking bout.
But like u mention, audiophiles and their gear, wen i see d word "flawed" i get tisick one time, cause my headgear outperforms expensive ass speaker systems as far as audio Fidelity and quality goes lol.

I see in d end he mention d LCD-2s again, nice, thats d marph in true yes. Getting that sucker.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on October 01, 2011, 01:32:25 PM
This is a good video to watch for computer men trying to achieve audiophile quality from their PC, much of this has been discussed in this thread already, but always nice to watch ah lil video:

Home Theater Geeks 70: Computer Audiophilia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmA2huL7f5c#ws)
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on October 17, 2011, 03:16:48 PM
http://www.livestream.com/headroomcorporation/video?clipId=pla_1cfb156e-696c-46d4-ba7e-964275ea4efb&utm_source=lslibrary&utm_medium=ui-thumb

Rocky Mountain Audio Fest (E3 of audio world)
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on November 05, 2011, 04:26:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA7RIfpKSh8
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on December 16, 2011, 11:05:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpDYe67kMtI&feature=youtube_gdata

Audez'e Initial Impressions:

Old Headphones - Denon AH-D7000
New Headphones - Audez'e LCD-3


Wow, hear this thing
it need plenty more power to drive than meh old one boy waye,
meh amp going to get wok to do, meh old one volume used to be:
35% on amp
20-25% on pc
lol
scratching ass basically, this phones i had to hit d amp ah
50% yes
35% on pc
mother and cheeze, hear that base. wah d bar-b-q egg
Money well spent! and d thing eh even break in yet, i hear it have to hit 100hrs before it sounds "good" and 200hrs before it reach its max potential!
 
:D

dis shit sounds like ah speaker on yuh head boy, but with all d clarity and quality of a headphones.

OMG! i just put back on my denons, what the hell was I listening to for the past 2 years?
It sounds, thin, and lifeless. Was this the same headphones I've been using all along? Was this the best sound my ears ever heard?  I cant believe, this is d best thing my ears ever heard, sounding like this now.

i didn't expect d difference to be THAT! Huge, cause like all change in quality (Audio or Video) u doesn't know how better it is til u go back eh. So ah say ok, time to go back, my face skin up like i juss smell ah fart. WOW. And this old phones was sounding soooooo good before, what d hell!

Someone said: Only Licks for the old one
My Reply:  No, not licks, LLIIHHICCKKSS!

Jah, i put on 90% bass and this old headphones still struggling to keep up with the LCD-3, waye!
This is ah very very very veyr VERY! Addictive and DANGEROUS hobby
u know why?  Seeing that i push meh amp to 50% to drive this monster, now i wondering
what ah more powerful amp could do
.....
teary eyes....

WHAT! D! Egg!, Trasnfoemrs 3 ! *eye pop* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, Speechless, Wow, Amazing!
(Tested @ : 1.05.39 and 1.38.00)

Rass
This headphones' amazing
It truly truly amazing
And d thing fresh out d box, no burn in?
Wow

The Denon D7000 is a great headphones, truly epic in its own right.
But the Audez'e LCD-3 has taken the bar, and destroyed it, There is no SPOON!
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: TriniXaeno on December 17, 2011, 12:17:06 PM
bro @ us$2000 for those headphones, they had better sound like sex in your ears. lol

I really need a "wuk" where you wukkin'

all kicks aside, curious to hear how this would sound myself. See what I've been missing all these years.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: phoenix31tt on December 17, 2011, 07:10:27 PM
bro @ us$2000 for those headphones, they had better sound like sex in your ears. lol

I really need a "wuk" where you wukkin'

all kicks aside, curious to hear how this would sound myself. See what I've been missing all these years.

dont... cuz then you will cant go back.. and end up like messiaah spending thousands of dollars on hi-fi audio gear lol...

i doesnt even touch his setups with a 10' pole... lol
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 02, 2012, 10:05:09 PM
Video Review:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEIXqQl42tg

Written Review:


1) Introduction:


I've previously reviewed the LCD-3 (http://www.headphone.com/product_review.php?icn=9990723000&rating=5) when paired with the HeadRoom Triple-Stack Balanced Ultra Desktop Package: (BUDA/UDAC/DPS).
This combo is a very impressive combo, especially for the price and small footprint. It sounds AMAZING! But I've always wondered what the LCD-3 would do with a bit more power.

Enters the The DarkStar by Ray Samuels Audio

I've searched and searched for a good DAC to pair with the DarkStar and settled on the Antelope Zodiac DAC.


2) Equipment:
Kit 1:
RSA Dark Star Headphone Amplifier
Antelope Zodiac Silver + Voltikus PSU
Cerius Ceramic Balanced Interconnect
Audio Grade USB/Optical Cables
Audio Grade Power Cables

Kit 2:
HeadRoom Balanced Ultra Desktop Amp
HeadRoom Balanced Ultra Desktop DAC
HeadRoom Desktop Power Supply
DiMarzio XLR Balanced Interconnects (1.5ft)
Audio Grade USB/Optical Cables
Audio Grade Power Cables

Headphones:
Audeze LCD-3 (With CablePro Reverie Audeze LCD-2 Balanced Cable)
Denon AH-D7000 (With Cardas Fat Pipe Balanced Cable)

Accessories:
Xfi Titanium HD
Buttkicker Gamer

Listening Preference & Test Movies:
All tests were done using BitPerfect WASAPI for Music and Movies, Games just used BitPerfect.
XBMC for Movies, Winamp/Foobar for Music.
Rock, Punk, Metal, Dubstep, Techno
Transformers, Thor, Iron Man (All TrudeHD/HDMA Quality)


3) Build Quality:
DarkStar :
The RSA DarkStar has very excellent build quality, the PSU is pretty heavy, you have the gold trimmings all around, and very solidly built. Stepped volume attenuator feels solid, and overall very impressive. This amp seems to be built like a tank, and looks really good as well.
Zodiac :
The build quality of the zodiac is also good, though not as impressive as the DarkStar. The silver model does not have a stepped volume attenuator, but still very good.



4) Sound Quality:


Before I go on to talk about the sonic performance of the DarkStar/Zodiac combo with the LCD-3 I have to mention that that DarkStar/Zodiac pairs very well together. I've tried combing gear I have and did all my tests with each combination.
HeadRoom Buda + Zodiac, DarkStart+HR UDAC, I've even mixed and matched interconnects etc.
In the end, the headroom products did not pair well at all with the DarkStart or Zodiac.

When the HR Udac was combined with the DarkStar, everything sounded thin and underpowered regardless of what Gain I used. When I paired the Zodiac with the HR Buda, things sounded harsh and grainy.
The BUDA/UDAC combo has a special synergy that extrudes with Gobs of sonic performance. Rich creamy bass, buttery smooth mids, and excellent highs.

The DarkStar/Zodiac combo pairs very well and seem to complement each other in a way similar to the HeadRoom products albeit not as synergized. Together the DarkStar/Zodiac combo sounds very detailed, and VERY powerful. The bass with this combo adds a notch or 2 of refinement not found on the UltraStack, and is much more clean and powerful. At first blush the UltraStack seems to extract more bass from the LCD-3, but with prolonged listening on the DarkStar Zodiac I've found bass detail in notes that were not there before, and the UltraStack sounds a bit muddy in comparison. Its noticed most in complicated bass pieces, or large explosions in movies. The UltraStack is by no means a slouch, but the DarkStar/Zodiac combo just has an air of refinement, cleanness and quality that sets it above the UltraStack.

In the treble department, the DarkStar/Zodiac wins hands down. As the level of detail, and refinement is a cut above the UltraStack. Some may find it clinical, as the ultrastack does have a bit smoother sound, But the DarkStar/Zodiac is more accurate and vocals are clear and precise. Female vocals shine on this combo. The DarkStar/Zodiac is by no means harsh. The upper end detail and clarity is there, but you still have a fun engaging sound.

The mids with the DarkStar/Zodiac shine as well, and I'm able to hear notes in the music I was not able to hear on the UltraStack.

All in all, both combos are excellent, and both pair extremely well with the LCD-3.
If you're looking for a fun, engaging, energetic, bassy listening experience, then the UltraStack LCD-3 is an excellent choice, and I highly recommend this combo for anyone interested.

If you have a bit more cash to spare, there is more that can be extracted from the LCD-3 when paired with the DarkStar/Zodiac combo. The DarkStar costs $3500 before shipping, and the Zodiac Silver costs $2,890.00 (I got it for $2,290.00 on Christmas sale), so together this combo costs $6400 ($5800 with discounts). The UltraStack can be had for $3000. Is the extra benefits gained from the DarkStar/Zodiac worth an additional $3000?
If you're looking for the very best you can hear out of the LCD-3 then the answer is yes.
But if you're content with a Extremely Enjoyable and Engaging experience, that's a close 2nd, then the answer is definitely no. The UltraStack + LCD-3 is a steal at the price, and I wont recommend going up further than that unless you really want that last 5-10% of sonic performance.

I'd also like to mention a component that I've added to my rig probably 2 years back. The ButterKicker Gamer. Its excellent for headphone listeners, and adds that missing thump you'd get from speaker/subwoofer setups. Highly recommended piece of gear for headphone listeners, and at around $100, it’s a pretty cheap upgrade to anyone interested in high end headphone audio.


5) Conclusion:

If I had to do it all over again, id probably stick with the UltraStack, but now that I've owned the DarkStar/Zodiac for a couple months, there is no going back.

So I'll be selling the UltraStack paired with the Denon D7000 soon, which also pairs wonderfully with this combo. The UltraStack compliments the Denon Signature extremely well, and makes for a nice punchy, energetic listening experience with more bass than I've heard from any headphones I've owned until the LCD-3. So look out for a sale posting on Head-Fi Soon. The D7000 is tricked out with the Jmoney Leather EarPads and the Byerdynamic leather headband. Both wonderful upgrades for this excellent sounding headphones.

So in closing, the LCD-3 is an awesome headphones, the best I've heard, and once fed with a nice powerful kit, its just…...hard to describe in words…..The DarkStar Zodiac though expensive and not for everyone, is an excellent combo. With a superb refinement throughout the entirety of the audio spectrum, and tons and tons of clean power to drive pretty much any headphones. It was a fun journey to this point of insane price/audio performance. And I think I've finally settled on a Kit that has no discernible shortcomings to my ears. The DarkStar Zodiac LC3 is Perfect.  (But like all crazy headfiers, I'm sure at some point in the future ill find some irrational justification to get the lcd4, with some insane tube amp or something lol.)

Alright guys, that's it for now, hope you enjoyed the small review. If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to speak up :)
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: W1nTry on April 02, 2012, 10:26:45 PM
Nice, qualitative review there. Good to see ppl go to such lengths to share with the rest of us some insight into the world of an audiophile

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Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Philosophical45 on April 02, 2012, 11:00:11 PM
That's what you call serious gear. Great review man, and those amps just serious! hmm make me shame to look at my radio... it looks weak now lol..
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: Berzerk on April 02, 2012, 11:16:53 PM
 good to see someone putting real work into reviews like this.

great review man.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: TriniXaeno on April 03, 2012, 11:24:07 AM
reviews like a boss

+1

nicely done sir.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on April 03, 2012, 04:59:54 PM
Thanks for the comments fellers.
Title: Re: MessiaaH's Audio Gear!
Post by: MessiaaH on October 18, 2012, 10:51:43 AM
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