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Gaming => PC Gaming => The Xel'Naga Watchtower => Topic started by: haterforever on August 13, 2010, 11:00:27 AM
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Place all replays here also as reference so that they are easy to find when needed.
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critique my build ppl. i won this match but his skill level wasn't high. what shud work on?
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good build good counter.
found you took too long to build the techlab for the barracks.
Also the reapers u either use em in early early game or send em with backup. they are very delicate and expensive.
GG otherwise.
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thought i was a goner but he didn't know i expanded
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Two replays from a serious 2v2 session with beobear last night.
The First, a clinical Korean 4 warpgate
The second, an experimental carrier rush.
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Wyatt get owned by the ISP and leave me to micro/macro 2 basses =/
VirtueTT
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this is one i played tonight PVP
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but rebirth you ain't easy at all.
Very well played. Sneak the pylon under the edge of his base and get sight with the observer to warp in the dtemps ftw.
Seen Messiaah pull of this strat too. Very effective.
Some serious early game rapage for those stalkers a la the immortals. I love 'em but they're so damn expensive though (supply and mineral/gas wise)
Yeah boy Virtue/W1ntry, flow set us up in that game, we could have won!
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thought i was a goner but he didn't know i expanded
this game is the perfect example of "do so eh like so"
cloaked banshees on the peon line ftw x 2
Well played
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How to cheese Custom game achieves.
Replay - 4 Very Hard AI achievement
For the others this same strat can be used with the exception of the Vs 2 Insane AI where heavy probe micro is needed.
VirtueTT
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its not cheesing when its the only way u can do the achievement...same with the vs 7insane FFA...impossible to do unless u are terran..on specific maps etc
i really think its kinda dumb that you have no choice but to do X to get said achievement...cause no matter how good you are..you won't beat 2 insane ai by building up and trying to out macro/out play/outmicro them
balls!
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Local sweat we had tonight. Messiah try sum ting in the 1st game.. not sure wat he was goin for there. Boxy and nAzy stink oui
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Some replays for yesterday's war campaign.
Beobear and I pulled off the carrier rush (No hole in the wall this time, lol)
An execution of Antimage's Vray harass build. Worked precisely as he described.
Lastly, a 2v2 with Saga which we won by shear attrition.
GG
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^^^Alya disgusting boi waysssss......lol
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@ Wyatt
Cannon rush > all AI
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one of games we ran last night.
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Virtue, thanks for the AI replay.
Tried it and it works. Easiest 100 points I ever made.
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The most epic come back after a rush to date.
After scouting the cheese zeal/marine rush, we made every attempt to batten down the hatches.
Narrowly escaping an early demise and then surging ahead in tech to make the comeback of the century.
Thanks to some Void Rays and expertly launched nukes which not only took out an expansion but also five laden drop ships.
BOOM!
I said it before and I'll say it again, Beobear is diamond league level. Well played.
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PLayed some games tonight EPICNESSS saved some replays for yall lol@triniwyatt hate meh strat
WARNING REPLAYS A RADIOACTIVE!!! LOL
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A bess 3v3 local
Nukes and Carriers galore
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PLayed some games tonight EPICNESSS saved some replays for yall lol@triniwyatt hate meh strat
WARNING REPLAYS A RADIOACTIVE!!! LOL
He not random he's local, he is one of my friends, i'll try to get him on mumble an stuff....he cud play tho.
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truth is i forgot his name but sorry dint mean to offend yuh bredrin
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this was fun
2v2 , team mate buss out on me
and still won
boom!BAGOOSH!
toss superiority
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Imagine, this is the kinda shit that diamond level players doing.
2v2 Beobear and Triniwyatt vs two diamond cheese rushing mofos.
Talk about defending for your life.
Whole night diamond players cheesing us to death, but not this time.
Victory iwmc.
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Imagine, this is the kinda shit that diamond level players doing.
2v2 Beobear and Triniwyatt vs two diamond cheese rushing mofos.
Talk about defending for your life.
Whole night diamond players cheesing us to death, but not this time.
Victory iwmc.
lol dey try ah smart man ting dey but like yall had it under control.
Could only imagine the mumble between u an beo..
But wat was funny was that 2 void rays an is GG yes lol....men eh waste time.
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lol, ent. Busy busy QQ.
Boy, if we had loss there, was cussings galore. I sat down fuming in my chair as the rush progressed and got more and more dangerous.
but is a real shame to see that is what some diamond level men doing. So much for a GG.
Not even skillful rushes like the Korean, just pure, unadulterated cheddar.
Just before, we got taken down by a guy who did mass reapers. Talking like 15. Talk about the kite of a lifetime. Zealots didn't stand a chance. Was like the middle of the queens park Savannah on a breezy Easter Sunday.
Will post that replay up later as a cautionary tale. lol
Real nasty builds out there yes.
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My first attempt at a Fortress drop, almost got him lmao!!
I just wish he typed what he was thinking when he saw it lmao :lol:
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Boy, if we had loss there, was cussings galore. I sat down fuming in my chair as the rush progressed and got more and more dangerous.
but is a real shame to see that is what some diamond level men doing. So much for a GG.
hoss how u think they even reach diamond? stink nasty ole cheese right thru! i was doin 2v2 with a partner and we get hit double cannon rush from diamond men. Skill in mirco and macro is one thing, but using cheese builds like cannon rushing to make yuh epeen bigger jus takes away from the game dred. bun dem down!
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yeah boy, we tried to reach #1 in our 2v2 ladder last night and boy.....it was like breakfast at tiffany's or Maharaj Gold Jewellers (for the locals)
Diamonds galore.
I don't know why them men doh go in they bed.
The top spot was pushing 700 points. So we play HARD to reach 782 only to see the mofos playing simultaneously and reach up in the 800s. STEUPS
They didn't want to give up that #1 rank at all.
When I started pressing the wrong key for Push to Talk and speaking to myself, I knew the night was over. Brain fried at 3AM. Rank 2 is the best we could make against an ocean of cheese diamonds.
Some were GGs though, with epic battles but the amount of cheddar out there at the top of the ladder is very annoying.
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Winstreak of last 4 games played. Im getting a little better.
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Well done berzerk, I thought you had given up for a second, lol
This has to be the best replay I've seen to date:
WhiteRa vs DalaiLameR - PvT - Part 1 - StarCraft 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLW5ius_lI4&feature=channel#ws)
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holy shiTT!!
wtf storm spam! wow!!
lol
that was amazing
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yes that reply was really good i thought Voidwards replys made protoss look so pro u should check him out
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Is it me or could the terran dude have won if he didn't quit??? That match was seriously intense....
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^^ yea it was very intense...the terran dude cud hav won but i guess he go fedup lol
This 3v3 i played however was sorta intense and intresting.
Some felllas tried to probe/drone/scv rush us yes...
They Almost succeeded....i had to give my partner 50 jus to spawn 1 probe bec he had none after the melee and he recovered well.
We recovered an sort them out lol.
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fellas,
in a desperate bid to end my short loosing skid lol... i played this 1v1 down to the end...
this was some funny stuff.. i was utterly outplayed in this game... but thanks to some ingenuity i came away with the victory
it's long so you could jus fast forward... i was loling this whole game
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hahahah, phoenix that was epic.
I can't believe you win that.
Nilo musbe cuss whole night. lol
Talk about tenacity. Any lesser Terran would have surely perished in that situation. +5
Suzieboy, alyuh conduct that rush like pros.
lol. That guys one zealot kill about 8 scvs in the beginning yes. Man of the match. Surprise you all survived to turn it around. Real nasty play by the opponents.
+1
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lol epic game phoenix. I think you should of left out who won the match to give it some suspense.
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I showed my brother the replay and didn't tell him who won, he was in shock when he saw the Terran come away with the victory, lol
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Two replays as requested by Rebirth.
1st shows the Antimage build vs Zerg.
The 2nd shows Emo's Vray harass vs Terran.
I'm no expert so this is a rough execution of their strat. Still, hope it helps in the war!
The Theory Craft behind the Antimage, is to force the zerg to use up workers making defensive structures and tech to hydras, which you then counter with Colossi
Similarly, Emo, uses the Vray to force terran to spend some money on air defense, lean more on marines/vikings and thereby field a less devastating anti gate army. Likewise, you counter with strong gate units (think armor and attack +1, sentries, stalkers, zealots with legs)
The Vrays are also incredibly useful when attempting to take the ramp as they give your units sight and also force the terran to come down the ramp to attack it into the waiting arms of your gate units. They also hunt expansions pretty effectively, forcing a lot of anti air defense spend there as well, which then dies to gate unit assaults later.
suhuweat!!!!
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Well i've been pwning terrans with no remorse. And wyatt harassing me to show my strat.
It's a pretty basic 4 gate stargate proxy pylon build
9pylon
12 gateway
14 gateway
16core
a tip i learned, is that, when the warpgate research is 1/4 way done drop the next 2 gateways and they will finish about the same time as the research is done.
Proxy pylon. Generally I place the pylon in their natural.
a good mix of zealots, stalkers and 2 sentries can really cut the shit up on most early terran forces
proper baiting and forcefielding can be the winner.
There is usually 2 ways to get into their base. either by baiting with a couple zealots and once they leave, forcefield their retreat
pin them with zealots, and count ur change.
If they dont take the bait
u should already build the stargate, rally it to the proxy pylon and chrono a void ray.
the void ray with a range of 7, allows u to cut open the base, either the barracks or the supply depot is a good aim. I prefer the supply depot because if i'm lucky I may supplyblock him. and be at a huge advantage.
If he went Siege Tanks, then cut that up with the void ray quickly before opening the base.
if you are going to die in his base because of his output or w/ever I suggest.. destroy the supply depots.
If you must die, make sure and cripple him. Constantly support ur men by warping in units near the proxy.
Either destroy his SCV's or supply depots. I prefer taking out 2-3 depots then harassing scvs. the depots take much longer to build and therefore are a major blow to his economy and general threat
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Well played, I really have to hone this against terran yes.
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AN example of the weakness of the MeZ
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bleh
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That man chrono all those zeals from two gates yes. Talk about back to basics.
Simple but effective.
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So lol this is the 'MeZ Anti-Mage' haha
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Ok So, my version of 4 gate against terran aptly named 'The MeZ'
Goes like this
9 pylon
12 Gateway
4x probes
15 Gas
16 Gateway
17 pylon
19 core
3probes (on minerals, take 3 off minerals and onto gas immediately as the assimilator warps)
21 pylon - *Boost the research for warpgate
4x probes
When the warpgate research is 1/4 way finished, drop the 3rd and 4th gateways.
Proxy the pylon after you drop the last gateway and move out with the few forces u built (i like to go 2 zealots 2 stalkers, doesnt matter, 2 stalkers imp for reaper harass)
2nd gas
3x probes.
Now no strategy stands first contact with the enemy. Like many terrans you may notice he has put a seige tank near the entrance effectively blocking you
fear not, keep proxying units while you can
Drop a stargate and chrono boost out one void ray. Use the void ray and a couple sentries to down the siege tank. and open up the base. Some builds may even suggest using a phoenix, but the void ray is more versatile as it can cut down their supply.
The objective of the mez, is to use the overwhelming rush to supply and tech block ur opponent, notice i took out the supply depots AND the tech labs on the barracks. I'd rather not have harder terrans to fight. The rest was simply cleaning up the mess.
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Remember that Micro is your friend, keeping zealots trained on marauders, while kiting with ur stalkers is a heavy strat. 1-2 sentries in the mix can change the battlefield enough to kick it into ur advantage.
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Me beating Janus, God knows how I do that?
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awesome reps...u make protoss look so good mind posting one vs zerg?
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Thats the bane of my existence at this point, Zerg for me is pretty hard to stop. I havent found 'the cure' yet. But there are some interesting Void Ray Harass strats that seem to work.
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guess anytime i play against toss i always have to expect this cheese. he maybe thought he won when he slipped past.
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Mez, you are a boss yes.
I need to find the guts to pull of those brazen protoss tactics. very well played.
rebirth, all the replays against janus were toss vs zerg.
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i know but beside janus...i find myself struggling to win a PvZ match too often its like u either kill them early or have ur ass handed to u later wit unbelievable mass
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i know but beside janus...i find myself struggling to win a PvZ match too often its like u either kill them early or have ur ass handed to u later wit unbelievable mass
yes well thats more or less the secret to beating zerg... u have to either take them early... or contain them... the longer the game goes and the more expansions they get.. they harder it is to beat them
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i find zero problem in zerg and terran
but of recent, i have lost every single game against toss players
lol
every single game
steups
but zerg is the easiest for me
take them on early, cant rush faster than them, but then again, you know that
so plan for the counter attack
Mez's proxy stargate works wonders against the terran horde
when they come with their disgusting mmm at your front door, micro them on your ramp while the proxy stargate is massing your voids to hit them where it really hurts. Supply depos and command center.
Zerg i hit them the counter after their first waves, harass with voids, and prepare for stupid mutalisks
16 or so zealots in their base seems to be the ideal number for massive zerg death
and if the game goes into late, make sure and contain their asses. dont let them expand
and bring in the heavy carrier iron
thats gg
two of those matches took place while i was at flows world. The win against zerg with carrier and the proxy stargate against terran i believe.
i wont show my usual defeats against toss.. i dont understand why i almost always seem to loose against them. sigh
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I really need to learn dah 'Anti-Mage' build dread.. I keep effing it up...
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Yeah.. not EXACTLY sure how i pulled this off. Part dumb luck part resilience
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True diamond level play. That man had an early gold mine on your head for most of that game. Expansion with money like crazy and still....loss. Talk about tenacity.
Kite ftw. I woulda find where yuh was living and throw a stone through your living room window if I was him yes.
gg
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LOL this is wat happens when u turtle up too much!
A 3v3 that end up bein 2v3 (me and the other random dude vs 3) early in the game. But we still decided to play it out.
But One of The opponents turtled soo much, it was as tho it was a 2v2 an my teamate an i took advatage of this...the opponent had to actually watch his 2 teamates get rape lol.
With good use of nydus we Deal with all of them afterwards.
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Hosss talk bout close call!
ahahah, was takin ah sweat in work through all that floodin an traffic
was lil distracted by noobs asking for help
but this was just a miracle ninja play that save my ass within seconds of defeat
i sure that man must be soooooooooo bummy hahaha
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So this is pretty much an example of changing strat to suit. I started off with 'the Mez'
against the protoss guy, realized he would be coming hard zealots.
so while fending him off, (lost some probes) i dropped the robotech. and rushed after he stopped rushing me. I was a bit lucky with 2 things. he tried to climb the tech tree too fast 1. and 2, his pylon placement was poor. If he had built like i usually do, a mass of pylons supporting multiple buildings, he would have beaten me.
A bit of micro on my part kept my ass alive for most of it.
HAHAH he nerd raged after though blocked me and such.
I'll be honest, I doubted I would have made it with the push. But he stopped prod units to tech. His fault, Esp after i had his immortal almost useless cause of my zealots running them around
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hoss, at the 8 minute mark, that man had twice as much zealots and twice as many probes as you.
HOW on earth you could come back from that?
Just ridiculous yes.
Probe militia and zealot/immortal micro ftw. Well played
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Lmao the power of the X'el Naga i suppose
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he was focusing too much on the push while mez defended and climbed to rob tech and owned his ass...gj man post some more reps dude i enjoy watching u play as toss
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Well.. hahah this was hilarious.
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lol, that man real cuss. You were all over the place with that build. madness.
Just put the hurt on a zerg 1v1 myself. Take some points immc. Finally at the top of the platinum leaderboard.
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Well, haha good luck brothat, still have a ways to go to reach the top ten diamond :P
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Not me and diamond nuh,
Playing against diamond players all the time is a sure fire way to raise one's pressure and stress levels.
When I could dedicate more time to craft (and less to this bloody overdemanding job) I'll take a crack @ diamond.
Who say lotto?
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Not me and diamond nuh,
Playing against diamond players all the time is a sure fire way to raise one's pressure and stress levels.
When I could dedicate more time to craft (and less to this bloody overdemanding job) I'll take a crack @ diamond.
Who say lotto?
i think we rolling in the same boat there oui... i have to focus on my games to reach into diamond yes... i jus dont have the time :(
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I doh play more than 1-2 games during the weekdays 1v1
the rest is 2v2 and team stuff
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well u sure do make up for it on the weekends
unfortunately i cant.. my saturdays and sundays are occupied at least until 8pm.
u can see the difference in total games played in 1v1... me and wyatt would have to put together to reach ur number of games played lol...
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lol, ent. I was now about to say the same thing.
Not taking away anything from your achievements though mez. You are a boss.
Just don't get complacement....cause a lil 2 weeks vacation and we could be running you out of the top 10. lol
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wtb new computer and internet connection to squander tax payers money instead of doin school work in UWI.. any donors?
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#of games has little to do with it.. :P Janus muss be on of the lowest game/diamond members I know..
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me you and wyatt win ratio all similar.. so for us is a numbers game :(...
but as wyatt said.. not taking away anything from you.. cuz getting into diamond have nothing to do with the number of games played, but the caliber of opponents...
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nah lol i get lucky, real terrans eating up dah MeZ Buil hard..
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And I real afraid to use that mez against terran with their super kiting bs.
Keep posting mez vs terran replays. I really need to master that art yes.
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I eh seeing no setta ANtiMage replays.. send dem my way too.. i muss be post half the tings in here..
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And I real afraid to use that mez against terran with their super kiting bs.
Keep posting mez vs terran replays. I really need to master that art yes.
That Mez? hahah man brand his own strat yes lol
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Like phoenix said, not as much time to craft like you, else there would be many more replays but here's my last 1v1 replay vs zerg.
Antimage as always. (Note Antimage himself does his wall with the zealot, but I prefer cannons, everything else is his strat)
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nah nah lol is Wyatt brand dem.. not me sah. lol Everytime he say Korean, I do sumn Diff.. and he wah know wda I doing.
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lol, your korean is the most exotic thing ever yes.
but it still can't beat crixx "I going air" strat.
Man proceed to pump zealots like mad and about 20 mins later, carriers. Talk about taking creative license.
Oh and I just re-watched that zerg replay, note I did a little experiment in the middle of the game.
Antimage calls for a counter build after the vray assault. So you should be rushing colossi to deal with the anticipated hydras. I decided to try pushing some zeals with vray support to see if that could handle the roach/hydras.
didn't work....so then reverted to the normal antimage strat (which in his is expert guidance, is +1 colossi in a bungle. (which usually does the trick and it did)
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yow.. FUCK ZERG. seriously. i played10 games, 8 were zerg. What the fuck man its getting outta hand.
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once u winning them.. its all good...
and i figure i will try that anti-mage build.. since my overpowered zealot rush was nerfed lol
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Lol, yeah that zealot nerf has seriously slowed down the korean and its effectiveness
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Btw I on a 2-3 week hiatus. Laptop gone to be refurbished and zerg is overwhelmingly OP.
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Op zerg op zerg!
i doh see how u could call zerg op when professionals who getting paid to play race changing in fear of them losing their sponsorship.
is so much effort and attention to play zerg and not slip up
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Op zerg op zerg!
i doh see how u could call zerg op when professionals who getting paid to play race changing in fear of them losing their sponsorship.
is so much effort and attention to play zerg and not slip up
i actually agree with that.. zerg has the lease room for errors imo.. hmm.. but still.. once they get a few solid minutes into the game... is game over :(...
i know my major problem is not being able to read zerg plays
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well I understand where mez is coming from. Not everyone on pro level so what imba for a man in the top 10,000 players in the world might be chicken feed for a man in the top 1000.
I usually kill zerg thanks to antimage so I don't think they are imba.
More afraid of Terran.
Yet mez handles terran like food. Go figure.
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OK little PvZ replay
one way colossus could be used... u really need units up front to soak up damage whiles d col work them from a distance
the guy fast expanded... i mini contained... kept testing him until i was confident to finish him
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Ent.. My antimage forget to get manaburn :( cause it weeek. I so upset I hadda post this from meh bb
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You have to be kidding. Zerg are the most versatile race in the game! With properoverlord placement they can scout and produce the counters for anything the protoss come with.
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lol @ no mana burn
You're right about the zerg being versatile and that's what makes the antimage so effective....it uses that very fact against zerg.
They see the void ray and build to counter it.....and you (anticipating that) build to counter their counter. GG
It's simple in theory and effective in game.
When your laptop coming back boy mez?
lemme check out phoenix replay in de meanwhile
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boy phoenix, I ain't know what happen to that zerg nuh. The man was mineral poor for the whole match.
Mining from his main with only 10 drones. wtf???
Is that some sort of sick zerg self imposed handicap to make the game more challenging? lol
He didn't play like a noob (save for the unsaturated mineral line) so maybe you just scared him into forgetting eco with zeal/goon/stalker pressure.
gg
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yeah.. .that make it possible for my one base to be on par with his 2...
i really think he was growin scared and just tryin to come up with an army to break my map control lol...
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10-14business days from tuesday...
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Well I have touted the antimage as a zerg killer but here are a few replays with me using it against terran and toss with some success.
a bit scrappy but the premise is the same.
As a recap (for those joining us for the first time)
The Antimage is an anti-zerg build developed by a diamond player who goes by the name of (you guessed it) Antimage.
Rush stargate (pylon on 9, gateway on 10, gas on 13, second gas on 15, 18 cybernetics, stargate as soon as you hit 150 gas...)
Once you've got the stargate, proceed to pump one or two vrays.
Harass the zerg.
This usually prompts an investment in spore (which reduces the number of drones on eco) as well as an evo chamber and either hydras or mutas. If you are lucky, the opponent will over commit on anti air.
While zerg is transitioning, you FE (fast expand) and attempt to counter with the appropriate units.
Colossi for the Hydra or stalker/sentry for the muta. +1 attack is essential.
A bait and switch basically.
Its usually a walk in the park when they go hydra as the colossi are an amazing counter unit. Not so easy when they opt for Muta as their mobility can be a real problem for stalkers/sentries to keep pace. Best idea is to put extreme pressure on the zerg bases to keep the mutas home defending and try to wreak havock on his eco/buildings. 12 zeals can do serious damage before they die even with a few mutas attacking them.
Noteworthy deviations in my execution are as follows:
1) Inserted a forge into the build order (at about 12 food) and completely sealed off the base as opposed to the zeal choke. Its noob but works.
2) My FE isn't at the natural but at a random spot on the map (Risky and antimage will probably turn in his bed)
3) I prefer to proxy the stargate and hide it instead of putting it into plain view to force the counter from the get go. This gives the build a little more sting, as you can sometimes catch the opponent off guard and defeat them with a surprise vray at the 6 minute mark. This is a strat made popular by whitera and emo and works well when integrated with the antimage. As you can afford to lose the stargate once the two vrays are out. it's a bait and switch after all. If however, the two vrays are doing damage and the opponent seems unprepared, squeeze out another vray or two and go for the jugular.
OK, so thats the antimage.
Repurposed now against Toss and Terran.
Naturally, the typical toss response to vrays is mass stalker. To which you respond with mass immortals.
Likewise, Terran will either mass marines (colossi deals with that) or valkries (gate units are your answer)
and without further adieu, the replays:
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Ok, like ive been ranting and raving in d main sc2 thread, i hate fightin zerg, love fightin terran.
here are 2 games where i enjoy mehself fightin terran. plenty different strats coming out from terran, game feels dynamic.
Zerg, yuh play to counter ah build and dies it.
Anyways, here are 2 terran games ah run.
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wow, messiaah you playing that toss like if is zerg yes.
macro macro and more macro.
Have to try that
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i figure thais why he does have a hard time against zerg...
yuh cant out macro a zerg lol...
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[Korean Pros] A Fruit Dealer -TSLCool- (Z) VS oGsTheSTC (T) Starcraft 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0l25NstgVU#)
How to deal with Zerg while playing as terran.
Fruit Dealer getting sorted out with mass marines lol
NOTE the APM at the start, Korean powaaaa wtf dem men does be smokin boy jeez :shakehead:
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that terran move clinical boy. Got damn!
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well i play terran and protoss on the ladder... and i know i have a tough time sometimes beating terran opponents...
so as terran i cam across a nice Colosus timing push... (i wouldve feared better if i didnt block my base, but i woulda still loss)... neways i adopted that same push with variation for another game (when i play toss) and it faired pretty well...
check them out
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well YES!! i do believe i have played against my first map hacker!!
was on a 7 game winning streak, reach third in my silver league and feeling good
run up on a zerg, which is usually no scene for me.
Then i get stomped all over, and i take my loss and say well wow, lemme learn how this zerg man do this, now watching the replay, i go wait.... something odd here.
Man never scout, not once, but knew where my base was with his horde of lings
then the really damning part, was, i had a probe and a pylon in a corner behind them fog spots farrr away from his base, the man makes a beeline, straight from his base, with out ever scouting, way to the back of this other base in the fog and kills my pylon and probe, then run to intercept another probe in another part of map he has no vision of, never scouted, has no units waiting...
Rewatched it a couple times to confirm
this HAS to be a map hack.
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hmm i will def check it out... if it is you should really report him and send the replay to bnet...
map hackers are the worst
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well YES!! i do believe i have played against my first map hacker!!
was on a 7 game winning streak, reach third in my silver league and feeling good
run up on a zerg, which is usually no scene for me.
Then i get stomped all over, and i take my loss and say well wow, lemme learn how this zerg man do this, now watching the replay, i go wait.... something odd here.
Man never scout, not once, but knew where my base was with his horde of lings
then the really damning part, was, i had a probe and a pylon in a corner behind them fog spots farrr away from his base, the man makes a beeline, straight from his base, with out ever scouting, way to the back of this other base in the fog and kills my pylon and probe, then run to intercept another probe in another part of map he has no vision of, never scouted, has no units waiting...
Rewatched it a couple times to confirm
this HAS to be a map hack.
Yea crixx i concur as well after studin the replay.
He knew where you were most of the time. That beeline to the back of a random base sell him out...he didnt even scout the other bases on the way lol.
An having that advantage he ambushed you well at the end...you walked right into a trap...he knew exactly where u were and where he wanted you to be b4 he attacked.
hmm doh study it tho it happens.
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nah he cant just not study it.. he hadda report it if it tru...
you hadda watch the replay and follow the guys camera whiles leaving his fog off.. if you see him lookin in black portions of the map... you definitely know something is up
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LOL for real
you hadda watch the replay and follow the guys camera whiles leaving his fog off.. if you see him lookin in black portions of the map... you definitely know something is up
Yes indeed....fuss u know he was cheatin when u follow his camera he wasnt even focused on his zerglings when it happen because he knew exactly where to send them, he was still macro'in in his main base, after the melee is when he focused on them.
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Phoenix, that build is a wicked one for PVT.
Your execution was perfect. I like how you incorporate the expansion. Very well played.
I have to try that one yes.
One question, why you have all your hotkeys assigned to the nexus???
as for crixx,
Didn't look like the guy was cheating to me. He attacked the wrong base with his mass of lings (and happened across your pylon there by share chance)
He found your base on the second attempt.
What's noob of him, is that he didn't scout with a drone. Guess he thought he needed all men on deck to defend against your protoss.
I'm surprised he won, cause going lings against the antimage would be guaranteed death since the vray hits at the 6 minute mark.
He'd have been slaughtered and cooked in his own juices.
Why did you leave him alone for so long?? Man got about 4 bases.
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sorry crixxx... i concur with wyatt... he happened upon that lone pilot and his micro is week thats why he didnt move to his zerglings until after they killed the pilot...
i was following his camera whole game and not once did he browse over to your base or any other "dark spot"... if he was hackin he would be constantly looking @ areas of activity normally covered by the fog...
@ wyatt... its an old habit from playin as terran.. i assign all the hotkeys cuz sometimes in the heat of battle you find a cloaked unit or you want to make a scan on high ground pronto... so i just click a number press C and click the area... it avoids the mistake of misclicking another group and causing something disastrous lol... no reason really for it when playin toss doh jus habit
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no, i would have concurred with you at first about him stumbling upon it eh
but the man did not scout once
did not check any other place except where i was
and if you look at the replay, he didnt send the lings in to scout the base with the pylon,
watch the game from his perspective not from the everyone view
and you see him select the lings and right click them exactly where the pylon and probe are
then he moves the lings to where i was sending my next probe, which again, he had no view of
and as for why i didnt attack sooner, i actually had to scout, and then send my men for him
again, look at it from his perspective and this man doesnt even send his overlords to scout expansions, just immediately sends them out and expands, never once looking up for the macro
constantly on his micro, who the hell does that?
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i only watched it from his perspective... and it was very noob...
the lings was a scout.... the fact that he saw ur prob comin from that direction gave away ur real position... but the first set of lings was him "scouting"....
you aint realise he jus press attack and go... as i was sayin.. if he was hackin.. he wouldve constantly been on the map watchin dark areas... to see exactly what you building... plus with that many lings... he coulda take out ur base long time.. why bother with a lonesome pylon :)... what you shouldve done when u see the pylon ded was to get a couple of sentries.. to nulify those lings while u build lots
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lol, what crixx should have done was the antimage and see that zerg nerdrage and gg
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Hope this works..
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^ Yeah it worked :P , nasty with the banshees
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AdvanTAGEous banshees. wow. gg
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I'm getting issues with playing older replays, so I'm just going to upload blind. If this is the right replay then I had a brilliant zerg partner while I did some very dumb things (like forgetting cloak on the shees). Transitioned into BC's and thats all she wrote. I was #1 silver random 2v2 when I played this game.
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Here a replay shockingly of Mez and I sharing a lil licks, I shock I didn't get rushed with the amount a crap I was doin lol.
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yeah, that zerg player was pretty hard core tiger. He went all out with those roaches. Surprised he did as much damage with that one dimensional strat.
You mopped up nicely with those BCs. gg
Redfish, you played like platinum level in that game yes. Many times I thought you guys were toast.
Mez was his usually aggressive self. vgg.
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I hadda big up Mez dey, he was controlling my units while I pumped out the backup lol
It seems that his very aggressive nature and my build up in base nature works well together.
We hit bronze after placement but after we first match jump from rank 62 to 10 :P
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lol, confession good for the soul. Cause I was REAL impressed with your skill.
Didn't know it was Mez doing the death dealing.
Very honorable, coming clean like that.
First was flow, now the misses jumbie-ing my sweat. steups.
No rest yes.
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lol, nah nah I aint go be in that backseat bracket for long. Sweating hard lately trying to improve mih game so have no fear :P
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Now i'm not sure how this will fare in smaller games, but i've been playing around with diff strats recently and during 4v4 games, (even 2v2 to an extent) this combo has seemed to fare pretty well. Collossi and archons. I'm not exactly sure 'why' they do so well. but I've done it a few times, and once you get to around 4-5 of each? your army is pretty good vs most things. the archons high dmg output is great for reducing incoming air units, we all love the collossi dmg+range.
I'll post some replays giving examples. But its basically 2 gate, robo, early expand, 4 gate, 2nd robo etc etc. Fun to play and depending on if u get Dark or High templars, the previous form can be quite effective as well. psi storm/cloaking. Fantastic for getting rid of pesky mutas :) or mass bioball.
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ughh
terran still up to their uber gay gaynesseses
man catch me off guard with this one, but power overwhelming retaliated in fine form
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Here we see another example of "i think" a rather well played version of how to go collossi+archons. I went str8 to Dt's.. and then di the collosi after. It's all relative if you wanna play around with it be my guest.
I know the major weakness to this is one well placed EMP. But usually by the time the game has reached this point and no ghosts are present Its usually too late anyway.
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NB though. Dont go for both at the same time, you will NOT have the gas for it.
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This is definitely the mostfun i've had in 3v3 for ages. we pretty much used ALL the minerals on the map. it was exciting, a lot of back and forth. Epic battles. I wont say who won, but it was HELLA FUN! :)
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hoss.. ur teammates were stupid... lol.. props for winning.. but they were DUMB! man make banshees to harass and didnt use them for shit. Same man pumpin tanks putting them in sum shitty places. On the other team.. A man jus massing units. No real micro skill.. lol.. Good win tho. Yuh fight hard for it
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yeah I have to admit... yellow was bumming me out whole game wit he shit.
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That archon/colossi combo did wonders tho. Too bad the enemy terran didnt switch to maruaders to counter them.. or hell vikings for the fun of it. Shows the level of skill those guys were in no being able to adjust to the changes. Bigger is not always better in the art of craft ^_^
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I have been experimenting with that archon collosi ball. Its quite effective in my experience. need a few 'fodder units' and sentries, but once you have about 4-6 each, it becomes quite a formiddable force.
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wanna pull a jackass build soon. Ghosts and medivacs lol. they do a decent amount of dmg per atk, can cloak and emp. so ah mean... dont too impractical. Snipe does a considerable amount of dmg, with meds to back them up shud be an interesting
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that. is shit. lol 2 collosi and yuh ghost dem fold up
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cah hit wah u cah see! XD. EMP in yuh ass
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hoss... i miss Lockdown.... steupsss
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Lockdown? LOL
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never played SC1? ghosts had cloak, emp and lockdown. Lockdown was probly the most OP ability in SC1. then again medics cud have cured it but still pretty badass ability
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TBH lol not really. haha
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So dispite my lack of skill crixx and i have a 3:2 W/L ratio atm.
waiting on some constuctive criticism
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My first 1v1 win :sassy:
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not bad crackers but plenty room for improvement
remember keep ur resources low
orbital command should come out earlier
the most optimum mining at gas is 3 scvs, you had four.
a couple more barracks would have been even better
remember scout: if perfect zero had voidrays or dark templers you would have never been prepared.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/627975769?page=1 (http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/627975769?page=1)
have a read of this and the other threads linked at the start, helped me learn more about terran.
also learn about other races so you know what to expect when scouting
gl hf
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bit better on the build time here, i actually attacked first and pulled it off i need to work on my micro skills but a pretty decent win considering is tarted playing yesterday :cowboy:
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Gunz guns and moreguns.
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I started watching the Day9 Dailies. That has helped me improve a bit. It's really interesting and true when it comes to the things u can do, "that you think you cant"
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a replay says a million words. post biatch
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you real not in a position ask men for replays WHERE YOURS o wait u playing Mass effect, just dont buy or start playing 2 for a while then you'll be lost to the world
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lol, mass effect was bess. Lining up for 2 right now. Well is between BlackOps and Mass Effect 2 but seeing a deal on Amazon that might allow me to afford both.
That is my christmas vacation right there.
and don't be cheeky, I've posted a million replays in this thread. buh aye aye
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LOL LOL LOL @ whey yours and DOnt be cheeky.
the replay I hve is nothing new, another example of the 'Mez" in effect.
But it was paced slightly differently. Day9 said to attack every 5 minutes on the minute. So i did. rush d man with meh 3 zealots at 5mins
and meh squad at ten
his downfall
was that he never repaired his depots. So the dmg the zealots did initially, + a lil fire dmg, allowed me to get in much faster. He did go ghosts.. but didnt use them effectively.
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Black Ops 2 FYI, is the sex, and i CANNOT wait for my Saitek Rat 5 mouse to Reach. PURIFICATION IN THE HIGHEST. Entaro Tassadar my friends.
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wyatt u disappoint me sir
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lol, I'll be back to the craft, don't worry.
The war will continue
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I present to you a rediculous number of units
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I does actually enjoy them games when men does let u just rock back.
I Lol'd when I built bout 40 voidrays and a MUDDA ship. all fully techeds.
I just lol'd so hard. when he had marauders...
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My first planetary rush success :banana:
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I was told i have to upload this replay
Terran tactics + zerglike toss
So i REAL notice this was the wrong replay........
also i no longer have a negative WLR WHO WANT SOME!
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lol nice crackers! u have more balls than me yes. i havent touched my 1v1 league in ages. something about not having Wyatt or Mez to save my a$$ makes me feel insecure.... lmao. I dont have that much 1v1 exp at all so when i can i'll probly get out there and work on that.
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Honestly non of them REALLY different, i suppose is just build time and build orders that differ in 1v1 - 2v2 and higher, but as u say not havin someone to bail u out is a real pain in d backside when u make an untimely push and ur base getting hit at the same time :s
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LOL nice one @ crackerz
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lol, but virtue, last time we played, I think you were the one saving my ass
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Last time we play, when last u load sc2 SIR EH.... how u expect d man to remember somethin so long ago
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Last time we play, when last u load sc2 SIR EH....
LOL! Burn him crackers! Burn him!
@Wyatt -tho that is tru. Ur undying void ray rush drops your pants soo far down that it doh make sense trying to save ur a$$ so i hadda go for gold or iz GG. in 1v1 is jus a different game when u either do the bulling or get bull. There's no, "i hope they go for wyatt again". And i dont have that balance of micro and macro where i want it to be to persue that 1v1 ladder just yet
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crackers boy, I have three words for you:
Mass Effect 2
lol @ pants so low. Yeah Virtue, I know what you mean. 2v2s is hella fun and a lot of little crazy dynamics going on.
Don't worry, I'll take a lil touch in between saving the universe as commander shepard.
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o O and me and crixx have this slightly expensive strat is seems like your mech bio build minus ANY tanks what so ever and crixx and toss goes collosi / immortals, the funny thing is as expensive as that build seems we had some impressive numbers by the 15th minute in evergame by the 10th we both had colossi / thor x2 + some marauders for me to prevent any chupid rush
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flexibility and anticipation is key to SC2. What works for you tho is usually the best way to go but when u play ppl of high caliber who scout and scan efficiently and prep for ur attacks or change to suite, u urself have to be on ball to do the same.
On another note, lemme give u a run down of the wyatt/virtue tactic.
Virtue - MMM ball drop behind enemy lines while opponent pushes forward to wyatt.
Wyatt - Failed void ray harass with opponents knocking down his front door while his pants on his ankles
Virtue - thankful for poor macro/micro skills of opponents and slowly rip thru their lines until that GG pops up.
Game!
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lol, man using me as bait and to buy time yes.
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doh fret wyatt is how it is with me n crixx, whenever i get hit lift off let them chace while crixx massin voids -.-
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i jus had to! after 2 days of Rebirth wiping the floor with me, WarOne managing to put his chronic RTS tendencies and Mez jus being Mez, i have a win! RAWR!
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oh sweet revenge!
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FEAR ME WEAK ONES FEAR THE CLEANSING THAT THE PROTOSS CAN BRING FORTH those of you INFESTED with the VILE Zerg Virus or those FILTHY Terrans!
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FEAR ME WEAK ONES FEAR THE CLEANSING THAT THE PROTOSS CAN BRING FORTH those of you INFESTED with the VILE Zerg Virus or those FILTHY Terrans!
WTF u does be these days hoss?
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hey wit sc now there alot of changes i hoping to post up some replays soon
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Gentlemen i have returned to the gaming fray with a gtx 460 in route to my home i intend on changing my home race to toss and require some assistance.
i look forward to some of the fellow sc2 players showin their face
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Gentlemen i have returned to the gaming fray with a gtx 460 in route to my home i intend on changing my home race to toss and require some assistance.
i look forward to some of the fellow sc2 players showin their face
crackers when yuh dey, i dey! Been meaning to get back in SC2. hit me up when ur set
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Well said virtue should have crixx in d fray too mez i dont know if mez have sc2 on he lappy so idk thur but we in ting newegg eh stick with meh shippin nah ting on d road already
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i didnt realize Crixx plays SC2 that much. Then i saw his forum sig and it's been active. Dunno why he doh come on mumble. Mez has been MIA for the longest while with work. Not sure when we'll see him around
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Word of advice gentlemen if u had warone as a 2v2 buddy don't play a free for all with him he will exploit u
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Word of advice gentlemen if u had warone as a 2v2 buddy don't play a free for all with him he will exploit u
Man 2vs2 is just that, when I see FFA the first man that I see will get attacked, no matter if said person was a comrade just 2 mins ago.
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Dis man had the GAUl to call me a idiot d game b4 cuz i had a un timely push an he in silver league das why he get take dis game
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Dis man had the GAUl to call me a idiot d game b4 cuz i had a un timely push an he in silver league das why he get take dis game
Well, u asked me to look at the replay, which i did.
Points to note:
* After that push he made and u pushed back, with a little more forces, u cud have taken the rest of his base, looked like a lapse on the micro with the Stalkers to me.
* Especially in 1v1, always have those expansions on lock as much as possible. He expanded without you knowing for a good 15 mins +
* The Stalkers can Blink to that platform, would have saved your Rays if u tried to
* A pylon's warp field can also extend to the rim of the platform, wud have allowed u to warp in Zealots or sumthin there
* A common miss practice among most players of our stature, we forget to upgrade our units. At such a late game, should have at least 2 Cyberss and Forges beasting out the units you have.
* Additionally, with that much income, u cud have had at least 6 Stargates pummping out rays
I'm not sure if this has changed, 1 fully operation Base or Expansion (32-34 miners), can keep 4-5 Unit Producing Buildings constantly pumping out units.
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IdrA interview about Starcraft 2 and recent patch 1.1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHG40AdYfJ0#)
O.o
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hahahhaha, that real bad.
+1
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Temp0 - WHEN I'M GRANDMASTER (Wavin' Flag SC Remix) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH4w7UZV3NA&feature=player_embedded#ws)
Lololol
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HAHHAHA
Hoss, that video beyond epic.
+5
straight to the internet video thread with that
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Since virtue on meh nuts bout the replays reposting here :cowboy:
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aha i find it
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Now the platinum fellas goin hungry DAS MY CORNBREAD BOY
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As per requested replays of one of our higher league toss players, watch and learn
Mind i get take in one of these games also
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Good times, started up a 3v3 game with Mez and Wyatt only for my 2 padnas to get disconnected. Still fought it out tho, good times... good times.
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Gentlemen i present to you platinum crackers also known as diamond beater
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hahahah @ diamond beater
eeeeeeeeebaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw
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Mez afk during our dt rush
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Mez VS Tatsutaktix
Enjoy, Tatsu is a great player
I owe a lot of that game to Kiritsu, learned a lot from that guy.
Forcefields was crucial
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well played Mez, well played.
Tatsu have some serious skill. Took some impressive forcefield play to keep that terran on his toes.
The Archons paid for themselves handsomely with bloodshed overwhelming.
GG!
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I'd love to see some more replays from the tournament. Post your own replays, comment on the stuff as you wish but I wanna see some of the games!
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wait, werent you a referee?
didnt you guys get all of the replays?
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Ronstar has all the replays, we only have the replays of the games we refereed
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I mean i wanted players to post replays that they are proud of etc.
BEE TEE DUBYA, who knows a good free casting software? lol I wanna cast sum games :P
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ah, I understand what you mean. Well I think they can't/ shouldn't until end of tourney....at which point, all the matches would be packaged and uploaded to one of the Sc2 replay sites. (as well as to Gatsu)
Shinsoo could direct you on the casting software. He is the cast master @ GATT
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here are some replays
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Some nice replays if any1 would like some advice/tips on builds / mechanics feel free to pm me or check me IG MysTeriO - 695 i watch a sh1t ton of streams and have a good idea of the meta game /mechanics of each race but as i play zerg i have a better understanding for them