Carigamers
Tech Talk => Benchmarks => Topic started by: MessiaaH on July 05, 2013, 12:12:48 AM
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I've built a gaming rig in 2012 using a chiller as the cooling system .
See here :
Rig:
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/577/y9n1.jpg) (http://www.overclock.net/lists/display/view/id/5302933)
MH-LCSx12 (http://www.overclock.net/lists/display/view/id/5302933)
Vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2aXWvSPocw
The chiller has since developed a leak internally that's a bit difficult to get too.
So I've decided to switch back to a traditional radiator until I'm up to the task of fixing the chiller.
Here's a mini build log of the switch over.
Watercooling BO-RA 3 arrived today and work has commenced. Still waiting on my fans though.
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hard core business
Looks more like something for an SUV than a PC. lol
On a side note, I have always avoided water cooling for the fear of leaks.
Sobering to see even the high end stuff fall victim to same
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I don't get leaks in my pc, years of water cooling you can easily avoid leaks. you just need to be careful, and make sure washers everywhere it needs to be, and make sure not to over-tighten etc.
In this case, it seems the bottle housing the heat exchanger deep inside d rad is compromised. And the pressure from my 2 mad man pumps so strong it forcing water out from there. 1 Pump is fine no leaks, as soon as I kick in that 2nd pump for ah 5 minutes, water in meh tail.
If it was something simple like a radiator, I woulda have that fixed long time. But to get to that, I have to break the copper seal, so which go mean getting ah AC man to re-gas the unit, etc etc etc.
If u going traditional rad, I wouldn't worry too much about leaks for an experienced man like you.
And yea, that rad bigger than I thought, d thing nearly big like my PC.
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hard core business
Looks more like something for an SUV than a PC. lol
On a side note, I have always avoided water cooling for the fear of leaks.
Sobering to see even the high end stuff fall victim to same
I was like you once... :laughing7:
...but then the lure of extreme overclocking and nasty CPU temps kicked that last psychological barrier down.
I realized it's pretty hard to get a leak if you know what you're doing.
Still doesn't negate the need to do proper leak-testing though. :lol:
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^^ Yup.
As much as I don't get leaks, toiletpaper does be all up in that bitch when leak testing lol.
But it rel hard to get a leak in true once u take your time.
If I had built that chiller from scratch it woulda be rel hard to get a leak. But given the nature of the problem, I mite have to end up doing just that. Go see how this rad performs though.
Chiller rated to dissipate 750W of heat. I hear this rad you can sqeeuze 1000w of dissipation out of it. Don't know how true that is, hard to imagine a regular rad out-performing a chiller. But then again I never run that chiller at max potential. We go see how it goes.
Performance-PCs didn't have meh fans and order d thing from d manufacture , big watery stueps.
So I going to jerry rig some smaller 120mm onto it later and see how it performs, I find 5 spare 120s so far, so we go see.
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niceeeeeeeeeeeee
srry to hear about your leak man!
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Nice rad was considering that BO-RA rad but the size dread.
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Change your thread title.
I seeing 'MO-RA' on the thing...and I looked far and wide. There's no such thing as a 'BO-RA' rad. :laughing7:
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BORA is a type of European car. From the looks of it he took out the bora radiator and using it on he pc. Look at the mandingo size ah that ting.
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Nice rad was considering that BO-RA rad but the size dread.
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Well you see d size of my chiller? This new rad is a downgrade in size lolol. but time I load up the....gulp....18 fans.....and slap on the side grills, we go see. The feet and external grills makes it look nice and neat though. So should look good next to machine. Chiller did pretty ok sitting in the back of PC.
Change your thread title.
I seeing 'MO-RA' on the thing...and I looked far and wide. There's no such thing as a 'BO-RA' rad. :laughing7:
BORA is a type of European car. From the looks of it he took out the bora radiator and using it on he pc. Look at the mandingo size ah that ting.
ROFL! Type-O, changed.
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Parts List: (Links embedded for men trying locate the items)
Products
1 x Watercool MO-RA3 Radiator Stand Acrylic (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_457_335_983&products_id=29067&zenid=428dade3e4238ac3811c922e3d5cde5d) $29.95
2 x Koolance QD3 Quick Disconnect No-Spill Coupling, Female Compression 13 x 19mm (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_346_203_482&products_id=36807&zenid=428dade3e4238ac3811c922e3d5cde5d)(1/2 x 3/4in) $27.98
2 x Koolance QD3 Quick Disconnect No-Spill Coupling Male, Threaded G 1/4 BSPP (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_346_203_484&products_id=36816&zenid=428dade3e4238ac3811c922e3d5cde5d) $21.98
18 x NZXT FN-140 Premium High Performance Low Noise 140x25mm Case Fan (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=36_316_1085&products_id=27498&zenid=428dade3e4238ac3811c922e3d5cde5d)- Sleeved
- Sleeve Color: Black
- Heatshrink Color: Black $197.10
2 x PPCS AC to DC Adapter, 110v AC to 12v (5 Amp) DC Converter (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=53_324&products_id=25994&zenid=428dade3e4238ac3811c922e3d5cde5d)$33.90
1 x *** NEW *** Watercool MO-RA3 420 PRO - Black (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_457_458&products_id=37603&zenid=428dade3e4238ac3811c922e3d5cde5d)$259.95
2 x Watercool MO-RA3 420 Blende Classic - Black (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_457_335_983&products_id=30138&zenid=428dade3e4238ac3811c922e3d5cde5d) $99.90
2 x Phobya Y-Cable 3Pin Molex to 9x 3Pin Molex 60cm - Black (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=34_289&products_id=28845&zenid=428dade3e4238ac3811c922e3d5cde5d)$15.98
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Fans have not reached, so went on a quest scrapping old machines trying to muster up whatever fans i can find to use in the mean time. Only found 5 120mm fans and 2 200mm. Rad is made for 140mm so had to jerryrig the 120s on.
Also, introduction of the mora3 into my loop has dropped my flowrate by about half compared to when using the chiller. I would highly recommend a minimum of 2 pumps when using this rad.
hopefully ill get my fans in the next few days to complete the build.
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I notice you have quick disconnects in your loop.. Does this help with draining the loop? And if so how do you drain the loop is it from the quick disconnect itself? I am upgrading my water cooling loop and I want to have a really easy drainage system.
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I have multiple points I drain d loop from, inside d machine between d gpu and res, I have a drain hose coming off with a shutoff valve. So when I want to drain water from d res, I juss plop that cable out and turn on d valve, and gg. Drains everything from d rad. Ill take a pic today for u to see.
D quick disconnects I use for easily connecting / disconnecting external components, Rad, chiller etc. I also have some extras on spare hose. So I could independently bleed d machine and rad separate. And yes i use them to easily drain d rad as well. Quick disconnects are epic. So easy, so seamless, and the version 3, jah, sweet. But they are expensive, so i only use them where I Get maximum benifit. But if I cud, id use them through my entire loop. Would be nice to just disconnect my GPUs and take them out d system for instance without draining anything. No leaks no nothing, just disconnect and remove.
When I upgrade next year, mite invest in some more qdc
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Just found this :
http://koolance.com/help-quick-disconnect-shutoff-couplings
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Hmm I see.. I look forward to that pic of the drain valve .. I now see the added benefit of quick disconnect.. For instance for internal blocks and such I can have quick disconnects to each block or rad and if I want to individually and properly clean each one I can disconnect each one and carefully clean the respective block or radiator so my components life will be expanded.. Hmmm this will be a phase two in my next water cooling project.. Thanks a lot for the perspective much appreciated.
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Yup, that's exactly d benefit, but like I said, expensive to hit every Component. If u talking just a CPU then it worth it. If u talking, gpu, chipset, memory, d price starts to add up lol. So I only use it for external components. But I was just thinking, if I had qdc on my reservoir, could have remove that whole thing and give it ah proper clean easy, without draining meh entire loop, then just fill it, plug it back in, and press go.
Go link pic this evening.
And when ur next water project, please post pics, it have rel men under low doing water but no pics posted...would be good to see water more prominent on d site, encourage others to dive in. (Arc, yUh could bless we with some pics too, capt awesome etc, d'oh even know who on liquid.) Should we make a page to list all d liquid rigs on gatt?
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I do have a link with my case I will update later and send you a link to the current build... Also that is a good scenario wrt the qdc
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look meh drain setup here :
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That is what we talking about very handy..I will have my stuff up in a moment... What is the ID and OD of those tubes??
here is the link to my build as promised.. http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,27464.new.html#new
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Ah boy...the good ol HAF-X gettin it done.
That said though...not me and that GPU liquid cooling nah. I don't overclock my GPUs except for the odd benchmark or two.
Still, the thermal headroom is nice to have.
...but then I used to say that about CPU liquid cooling too. :laughing7:
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Ah boy...the good ol HAF-X gettin it done.
That said though...not me and that GPU liquid cooling nah. I don't overclock my GPUs except for the odd benchmark or two.
Still, the thermal headroom is nice to have.
...but then I used to say that about CPU liquid cooling too. :laughing7:
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when you see yours card maxing at 35c during hrs of sweaty caspian border, or a wicked running of gulf of oman...
ni**uhs be like :laughing7:
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Yup, and them kepler gpus like to get up when they ready, when u can load at 40 degrees overcooked, its nice. And oc on these cards actually make a substantial difference n performance. It meant the different between 50-55 fps fluctuations, and a solid 60 in TR with everything on.
D'oh worry arc, soon enough u going to join d gpu lcs party ....:laughing7:
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Parts Reach!
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18 fans!!! WDA?!?!?!?
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The stuff gamers' wet dreams are made of. I think this thing is better cooled than my van!!
Sas controllers why though. You using enterprise SSD's? Why not a PCI-E SSD?
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18 fans!!! WDA?!?!?!?
lol, I bought 2 external power bricks to power them, but I did some math and I think my PSU can comfortably power all 18. So I going to rig it up to my front bay switches. So I can turn on/off a side of fans at a time. And then too they will come on/off with the machine.
The stuff gamers' wet dreams are made of. I think this thing is better cooled than my van!!
Sas controllers why though. You using enterprise SSD's? Why not a PCI-E SSD?
It's a SAS/SATA controller. The 2 cables in the pic right below the controller is min-sas to sata extender cables.
So 1 mini-sas port gives 4 sata ports. And I didn't really buy the controller for my SSDs. I had a raid5 on my motherboard, and I was tweaking my overclocking, and 2 drives out of my 4 drive array decide to say they aren't members anymore. It took a few hours and extreme patience to rebuild that raid and retain my data. Not me and intel shit raid again! So I immediately put in an order for an areca, my data too important. So that card going to really be used for 6 * 3TB drives. I'm toying with the idea of putting my 2 SSD's on it as well. But I not sure how UEFI going to play with it. I'll test and see.
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Mother of ..
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Very nice @ that raid card. I assume that's the ARC-1223-8i model? That thing expensive boy. Does it have a bios that is accessible outside of the OS? Something like this is really chalk and cheese compared to a raid controller built into a board. There's just no comparison.
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Yes, that's the model self. I used to have a 1220 in meh beast ah while back (MH-LCSx11 ah think). But I end up sending the card trini to use in we storage server home. But this onboard raid quality just suck boy, I have to go back to an areca. Onboard RAID 1 sucks hard, anytime power go, or machine unexpectedly restart, stupid raid start checking for parity errors, which can take anywhere from 1-2days, during which time performance degraded. I switch to Windows 8 Storage Spaces, but performance on that was crap for VMs. Then i switch to onboard RAID5 and that mess happen. That was the last straw. Back to areca.
Unfortunately i loose a PCI-E slot, so will have to stick to Triple SLI or Dual Slot Quad. But given the power of these new GPUs, that should be just fine.
And yes, there is a bios accessible from outside the OS. It's just like a server raid card, ctrl+i or whatever to enter raid bios on boot. Areca actually make a lot of the raid controllers in servers, HP/Dell/IBM does just rebrand they tech. If u search amazon u go see areca controllers going upward of $1000 deneros.
Check this bad boy:
http://www.amazon.com/Dual-Height-Support-Internal-External/dp/B006HUNAV8/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1374159888&sr=8-8&keywords=areca+raid
Something like this is really chalk and cheese compared to a raid controller built into a board. There's just no comparison.
Yup!
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I found that my top gpu temps was a bit high, so whiles machine is down decided to investigate to see why
and also install a pair of quick disconnects for the gpus to make thing easier in the future.
Machine Tear-Down:
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(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/689/5ar1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/689/5ar1.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/837/rfqd.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/837/rfqd.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/268/ayqd.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/ayqd.jpg/)
Ah Ha! look the bastard there!
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/191/sc8h.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/sc8h.jpg/)
After waterblock clean:
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/5/jh4y.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/5/jh4y.jpg/)
Quick Disconnects:
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/153/itmv.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/153/itmv.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/706/fnik.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/706/fnik.jpg/)
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Day 5
Pump Heatsink and fan install:
Also had to build a custom switch bay to control the MORA Fans and ligthing, with externally accessible connectors for the rad fans
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Rigged the switchbay to be powered by the psu.
Had to also do a little mod to the front bay beneat the resevoir, as it no longer fits properly with the heatsink/fan installed.
A couple custom Cables as well.
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/268/8h4u.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/8h4u.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/600/5qh6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/600/5qh6.jpg/)
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(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/844/6yy8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/844/6yy8.jpg/)
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Wayz, serious like kamla and a bottle ah puncheon! Look at d size of that flipping thing!
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hahhaha
it just ridiculous
Man building skynet
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things looking real nice.
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Day 5
GPU Overheating Woes :violent5::
I’ve mentioned before that one of my GPUs was running hotter than normal.
I did find some build-up of gunk in the block and cleaned it out so I thought that was the issue.
So I proceeded to bleed test the GPUs and add it back into my machine:
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/19/6ats.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/19/6ats.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/21/cptr.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21/cptr.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/600/s3d4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/600/s3d4.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/94/k9q9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/k9q9.jpg/)
To my surprise the primary gpu was still running hotter than the rest. 20 degrees difference to be exact.
On idle, the primary gpu would be like 55, and the other 2 @ 25degrees each. On load the Primary gpu would quickly rise to 90~100 degrees!
So obviously this was unacceptable, so I proceeded to do more testing. I used the features of the motherboard to disabled each PCI-E Lane 1 by 1, and individually tested the cards, same issues. The gpu on the top just runs hot! I thought it may be the motherboard, so I dropped the entire triple setup down 1 notch. So GPU 1 was now in slot 2, did not make a difference.
When I finally exhausted all other options I figured it out.
When using the chiller, the FlowRate and Pressure in the loop was very high, because the chiller offers no resistance at all, it’s basically a giant reservoir. The addition of the MORA on the other hand, offered significant flow/pressure reduction, which I saw initially. But the significant drop affected the way I have my liquid flowing in the loop.
My current setup is:
RAD -> CPU -> Parallel split -> (GPU / NorthBridge / RAM) -> Reservoir
GPUs -> Parallel Split:
(http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/ek/ek-fc-bridge-triple-serial_05.jpg)
I suspected that the flowrate/pressure drop was affecting the GPU parallel setup. Most of the flow/pressure was going to the 2nd and 3rd GPUs, and the 1st hardly got any water at all. So I removed the EK LCS SLI Bridge, and rigged up a Series loop for testing:
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/812/5r22.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/812/5r22.jpg/)
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4712/ce7l.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/96/ce7l.jpg/)
Turns out that’s exactly what was going on, idle temps on all 3 gpus are now 25 a piece, and load 40 degrees max. CPU idles around 27, load’s at 50. Which in of itself is pretty impressive for the MORA.
It’s actually competiting on an equal footing with the Chiller. I know the chiller is capable of extremely low temps, but running your machine at that constantly would eat a lot of current and wont be practical.
Thus far I’m extremely impressed with the performance of this radiator. 5.0GHz OC with 3 OCed 680s, NB, RAM and those temps? Kinda epic.
I’ve ordered a new EK LCS SLI Bridge in Series configuration, so more waiting!
(http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/ek/ek-fc-bridge-triple-serial_04.jpg)
When it arrivs hopefully I’ll finally complete the build!
O BTW, just when I thought this would be my first build without a cut, this happened:
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/694/b4tj.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/694/b4tj.jpg/)
So it's official.
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great analysis there.. you know men serious when they bring out all the applied sciences lol
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i have been saying this a while now, the idea for parallel is not efficient for temps, but for flow. all my builds and ones i help others with i so serial..that way each both/gpu gets the same flow rate and volume of water...
its not really applied since boy shoto, just common sense!
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parallel has it's advantages as well.
Reason I went it was because I using a chiller, so I wanted that chilled water to hit all 3 GPUs simultaneously.
And it's been working at optimal temperatures for the better part of a year.
But that same setup cant work with the dramatic drop in flowrate offered by this MORA.
I usually avoid parallel loops, and run independent loops if anything. Also, trying to cool cpu, 3 gpus, 2 banks of memory, nb, and mosfet in a serial config, the flowrate in that loop going to get bone hard. And using a chiller, yUh want optimal flowrate, cause then you have things like condensation to consider.
So using a chiller, that was the best configuration for that particular loop.
But I basically just plug the chiller out and replace it with a heavily restrictive rad, so yea, things had to change up.
So don't cuss the parallel setup eh, it have it's uses, and I think d 5GHz OC and Temps I had before can attest to that :)
Multi loops are also great, but 1 advantage to be had from a unified loop is, when combining yUh pumps yUh get increased head pressure and fail-over if 1 pump fails. Individual loops, if 1 pump fail, whatever on that loop boned. Unless yUh running a 4 pump loop lol.
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the 5ghz oc temps dont really have much to say with respect to the cards running parallel.. that getting water flowing through it like normal.
but i will hit the parallel hard because they dont return the best results..
if there is an option to choose..which there is..give me the one with the lowest temps!
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Not only the gpu running parallel, the entire system is in parallel.
It splits off into 3 from the CPU. 1 leg to GPUs, 1 leg to RAM, 1 leg to NB.
The temps of every component was cool like dog nose. 25 Degree territory. GPU's also overclocked to their limits.
And I mentioned the 5GHz, because it's pretty hard to achieve on a 3930k and keep your load temps tamed if your cooling solution is not optimal. (If your load temp on an OC like that crossing 80 Degrees, I not even entertaining that.)
So if you don't call that best results well......
Like I was explaining, it have it's uses. And if it have an option to choose, yes go with the lowest temps, but that's not always the safe option. When dealing with a chiller, you can cause condensation which leads to fried components, so your temps mite be lower for about 1-2 hrs lol.
If the liquid inside the chiller is not exhausted fast enough from the chiller, it could start icing up inside of there also.
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my 3930k was on 5.1 loaded at 65c.. my loop was very good at that time..
but im sticking with my opinion on serial based on my own experience across more than 5 systems.
the cpu still getting a single flow rate because it is only 1 component.
the fact that you have a a chiller says a lot to..
for regular loops..serial works flawless !
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Yes, for regular loops serial is the way to go. But that's not the point.
Is not a matter of which better between serial and para.
I said it have it's uses.........
If all yUh cooling is a cpu and 2 gpus, yes, serial or dedicated loops, no brainer...
So of course yUh have to stick to your opinion for that, because that's all you use.
But the day you start dabbling in chilled / peltier / phase change etc, you're going to have to open up to other configurations. We actually mash up 3 $450 mobo experimenting with pelteir, and all of them spoil because of condensation, and just that 1 drop of water form inside case, drop on something, GG
So yes, I agree, serial ftw in most cases. but not in all. Para does have it's uses.
One side does not fit all.
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phase changing is not something i plan to dig up in.. but i get what you are saying..
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I plan to revisit phase/peltier in the future. but the thing with those solution, it not really practical for everyday use.
Whatever OC I achieve on my rig, it does run like that 24/7 for d year.
Peltier/Phase change, even chilled, is more ment for overclock, then scrap. I manage to tweak d chilled to run fine daily, until it get that stupid leak. I go find a way to make TEC/Phase practical for daily in the future.
But for now I want my machine back up to game lol.
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Day 6
More Storage, More Storage, More Storage!
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/560/hwep.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/560/hwep.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/90/bv6g.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/90/bv6g.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/836/30nx.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/836/30nx.png/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/203/m7n5.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/203/m7n5.png/)
Onboard raid was giving like 35-45 MB/s.
Areca RAID went up to 150~MB/s. :sassy:
Serial GPU Water Bridge also installed. GPUs Idle 25, Load 45
Now to migrate data to new Array, then neaten up and lock up case and project done!
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Nice
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my lawd messiah.. i must ask! WT actual FU!k dan! what do you plan to do with such opulence amounts of space!?
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my lawd messiah.. i must ask! WT actual FU!k dan! what do you plan to do with such opulence amounts of space!?
LoL, I only watch bluray quality stuff. One of my movies is typically 50gb, series is usually 5-10gb per ep.
Also need space for bigger VM Labs.
Space for d full res pics/videos meh 1020 & dslr go be taking.
HD Music, apps, etc.
I actually missing alot of stuff, go be able to get more content now. Hope this do for d next year, then will go 4tb drives for ah 20TB array, use old drives for backups.
Have a 4TB nas they with other stuff too that ill be migrating to the new array, then use said nas for backups.
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alright. justified quite well!
looking good!
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Ah Done!
This rad rel sick, can run machine with fans off and temps good. Combined with this PSU on fanless mode, and I have an extremely quiet beast machine. When time to game, flip meh switch, fans on, PSU autoswitch to fan mode.
Chiller clearly offers better thermal performance, but the advantage of no noise, and less current, I cant complain.
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/607/25yp.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/607/25yp.jpg/)
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Looking real clean and nice.
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Thanks
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Wtf yo! dat man rig got a fridge! Lol, Nice
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