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Tech Talk => Hardware, Tweaking & Networking => Topic started by: TriniXaeno on February 02, 2005, 06:25:24 AM
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Fellas, this is the deal on the table.
1) 512k WLAN link for gaming (Allows for 30ms pings back to our game servers that will be hosted on the network)
2) 256k Internet WLAN link. (30K download speeds from the internet)
3) 1st 200 members to sign up get $50 off their monthly rental for the 1st year. Cost for this setup would be $450.00 a month, after discount...that works out to $400.00 a month.
4) Waiver of the $500.00 installation fee for members that sign up before February 28th 2005.
5) Coverage over the majority of the island today. Expect total coverage soon. (Will get more nitty gritty details on exactly where isn't covered by the end of the week)
Add to this, the GLs will now have a WLAN link connecting them together. Allowing gamers from home and in the GLs to sweat together on our game servers islandwide at very low pings with copious amounts of bandwidth.
Suhuweat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any questions?
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where do i sign up :P
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What kinda hardware we talkin bout here? Is it portable? Will I then be able to access this WLAN from anywhere, once I set up the hardware on different PCs and/or laptops?
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man baego,
just tell me it's available in princes town and i'll cancel my friggin' tstt contract at once.
great idea btw. - I was hoping cariblink would kick off sometime with their wdsl solution, but their rates are a tad overpriced =)
what equipment do I need ?
cheers
star
btw. why can't I post on the mailing list again ?
I just changed the relay server while I'm out of the country.
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Alot of wireless solutions work on the "line of sight" principle, what about ppls like me who are not in line of sight? hell I don't get much cell (bad eg I know) reception outside my house in the road... ok maybe in the road, but definitively not in my house... what my scenario? I wouldn't mind signing up if its available to me. Any info would be helpful
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i am also interested ....i will check it out and see how thing go....and is about time we had someone other than tstt. cariblink was too expensive
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yeah where do i sign up.
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im interested, where do i sign up..
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WHERE DO I SIGN UP? do they have good pings? and service in arima?
will the cheaper version have a low ping WLAN link just a slower bandwidth one?
free modem/installation for the first 500 on the cheaper option?
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Is this our saviour?
Is SOUTH no longer forsaken?
I want 512 down...up can be 64 or less once price drops.
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de 512 thing is only for the intranet back to our game servers synth.
Net access will be 256 k
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i find it is too pricey, for a system that is wireless i.e. it cost less than an actual wired system it should be just a tad cheaper, $350 and i there for sure
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Great questions, we will get these answered asap.
There is a need for three more beta testers. You will be expected to stress test the service and participate in game server testing.
Preferably in the Diego Martin, West Moorings, Port of Spain, East west Corridor, Chaguanas or Couva area.
You will pay a first installment price of $375.00
Which will cover for your first month when the service officially launches. (estimated at the end of february/beginning of march)
That means you get a couple weeks free service.
Only catch is you must be committed to use the service. That is you must not plan on giving up the service at the end of the beta test. It won't make economic sense to mobilise the equipment to your location, install it and demobilise just after a few weeks.
Any takers?
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who de man who click tstt is sufficent
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i will be *very* commited to using this service , but i don't live in chagaunas or couva .....
prices will come down when TSTT starts to slash their prices .....
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I dumb
so does this mean that this service is unlimited at this connection?
cause i get accustomed to dis twenty hours a month with 44kb/s connection and bad service so i lookin for a password or to start doin this one time
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I dumb
so does this mean that this service is unlimited at this connection?
cause i get accustomed to dis twenty hours a month with 44kb/s connection and bad service so i lookin for a password or to start doin this one time
its unlimited and WIRELESS = no second phone line needed, and it should be able to work on your laptop wherever you go .
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I ready and waiting to stress test. Cash in hand waving. Where the hook up. Testing everything from gaming, voip, downloading you name it I'll test it. Pay tomorrow morning bright and early and I in the east. :lol: Most important thing to me is sweating from home. No travelling with system. Which mean technically no more missing SUHHHWEAT!!!!!
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Grrr....still outside my region, else I woulda gone for it....
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If i didn't already get in with TSTT i would've beta tested their service, but say what I aint really complaining right now.
Getting use to the 256k though and it starting to feel slow. 30secs for 1mb is still too long.
I need more bandwidth.
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Fear not SPK
The dead zones are being worked on, so coverage will be available there in a few months.
Trini, the setup involves a dish, like direct tv, so it won't be flexible/portable enough to allow moving from location to location with your laptop.
unless you're pretty good at rigging up dishes. lol
Thanks for the beta sign ups. The selected individuals will be contacted for verification of address, etc....
Good luck testing.
Here is a MiniFAQ to help answer the questions posed thus far.
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Is it portable? No, it requires the installation of a small dish on your roof
What is the installation charge? All necessary equipment will be installed for free (before end of february) after that, installation will cost $500.00
Do I buy the dish/router for that $500? No, the equipment shall remain the property of Green Dot (the wireless company)
What if I don't get a good signal in my area? For areas with bad reception, a reflection dish can be used to enhance the signal. This will help strengthen signals in hard to reach areas.
Is the service unlimited? Yes
Will South be covered? Yes. Within the next 3 months most of the island will be covered.
When will the service be officially launched? Target date is the end of February.
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*still wonders how long dey gonna take to reach Grande...*
Once dey set up here, Wireless IMMC...and I makin sure the net cafe i does go to in Grande hear about it as well to jump on board....CS Source IWMC!!! :D
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Baego check your mail please......
My question is if you are dis-satisfied with the service if you will be able to cut it or the contract = 1yr or something?
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just one question, if I already had a 2.4 GHz 24dBi directional antenna and a wireless router .. could I use that stuff instead of the equipment provided by green dot - thus reducing monthly costs even further ?
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hmmm@not portable .....currently i share am unlimited dialup tstt account with my bro (we share the cost of it)....when i want to go on i use it here and when he wants to go on he either uses my pc or he calls and he connects at his house...if there was someway to link both of our houses but its approx 350feet (approx) and ther eare lots of trees and houses in the way :(
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I want to sign up..... wtmc whamm to gasparillo people?
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BTW thats $375.00 plus VAT.
Still I will probably take it.
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whey look how new dsl does bring men on de forum. man who never make a single post now posting. we need to get more net companies in trinidad, they go post again!
anyway for those of you who would like to play games online on foreign servers, example: battlenet, etc. then this is not for you. because it uses satelite = serious lag once you cross the network. if however you will be playing games on local servers, then this is for you. if you not a gamer and doh care about latency when it come to gaming on foreign servers then this is for you. only downfall i see in this is the lag when you cross the network. nobody mentioned anything about this in the thread, so i thought i should let you'll know.
if you're going to be using wireless, you had better have some serious ultra-kickarse security. wireless is easy to hack, easy for someone to park up infront your house and be dling and using up your bandwidth, many hacks are out there so i hope you good in security if you going wireless.
you will get 64KB/S from someone who is on the same wireless package, in other words, someone on the same internet network as you. outside of the network (out of trinidad, wireless company) you will get 32KB/S (same as tstt).
now if you're a gamer, and i'm sure most of you in here are (if you're not, then wtmc you doing here?), then you would probably be playing games on foreign servers or would like to play games with your friends from a different isp locally (tstt, cariblink, etc). once you playing game with someone from a different isp even if is same country, you crossing their network which means lag iymc. and i'm sure most of you will want to play games on a foreign server or with your friends from a different isp in trinidad.
another thing is p2p apps. p2p and satelite does never go down good. if you a music downloader (kazaa, ares, etc) or a bit torrent user then this won't cut it for you.
anyway this is the pros and cons, reason i doing this is because i don't want any of you to get this thing then be dissatisifed.
PROS:
wireless, can be used anywhere in the house
same download speed as tstt
twice the download speed of tstt when its on the same network (i.e you and the host on the same company)
sweat with gls
CONS:
sucks for p2p
sucks for foreign gaming or gaming outside of the company network even if is in the same country
same speed as tstt for downloads outside of the company
not portable, unless you walking around with a dish on your truck
installation cost 500 bucks
bad weather can interfere with satelite signal (if you have satelite tv or something you'll know about this for sure)
Would you pay $400 a month for a 512k intranet and 256k wireless internet link with acces to blisteringly fast game servers?
if you're on tstt network and the host is on tstt network you will have 30ping an thing, so it's the same. the blisteringly fast game servers is only blisteringly fast because it's on the same network. same can be said for someone on tstt connecting to another server under tstt network, so i guess that slashes that out as a pro.
i hope that clears up some of the stuff for you'll. don't be disappointed when you get the wireless package, now that you know what to expect :)
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One more "Pro"
Its not TSTT.
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One more "Pro"
Its not TSTT.
one more con, weather conditions will affect satelite signal. raining too much? weak signal iymc. thunderstorm ? weak signal iymc. if any of you have satelite tv you would know exactly what i mean.
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not that latency to us servers was any good with tstt dsl to begin with. now I mightn't get the best speeds anyhow, since the infrastructure in princes town is outdated and faulty (just spent a month w/o phone & inet), but 90ms was the best ping I got so far.
While that might be good for most rts games, it's totally inadequate for fps gaming.
I reckon we could set up a similar gaming community network if everybody would get a 50us antenna and wifi equipment.
@rampage
thanks for the info , though I'm a bit disappointed now.
especially that p2p part is hard to swallow :S
btw. if latency is so high, it will most likely suck for voip as well
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not that latency to us servers was any good with tstt dsl to begin with. now I mightn't get the best speeds anyhow, since the infrastructure in princes town is outdated and faulty (just spent a month w/o phone & inet), but 90ms was the best ping I got so far.
While that might be good for most rts games, it's totally inadequate for fps gaming.
I reckon we could set up a similar gaming community network if everybody would get a 50us antenna and wifi equipment.
@rampage
thanks for the info , though I'm a bit disappointed now.
especially that p2p part is hard to swallow :S
btw. if latency is so high, it will most likely suck for voip as well
anything under 150ping is good enough for fps gaming man. with satelite you go be hitting 300+
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anything under 150ping is good enough for fps gaming man. with satelite you go be hitting 300+
you can't be serious - anything over 100ms is a gamble.
70-100ms is acceptable when u play with rl and flak,
but proper sniping and instagibbing is only fun at pings around 30ms.
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Bageo gimme 512k all around and I'm game! but somehow I don't think they'll want a guy like me with a windows front end to wipe.exe and an itchy finger around.
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anything under 150ping is good enough for fps gaming man. with satelite you go be hitting 300+
you can't be serious - anything over 100ms is a gamble.
70-100ms is acceptable when u play with rl and flak,
but proper sniping and instagibbing is only fun at pings around 30ms.
i'v been owning you all @ 300-400 ping on halo servers ..... it depends on the game , battlefield NEEDS -200 ping to snipe....
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i'v been owning you all @ 300-400 ping on halo servers ..... it depends on the game , battlefield NEEDS -200 ping to snipe....
while I agree that some games are better for highpingers than others, 300ms will let u suck big time - no matter if u're 1337 or not - the only positive thing is that you warp all over the place - making it a bit harder for lpb's to frag you.
imho u could only own ppl with a ping equal to yours while any n00b with a 30ms ping would eat u alive.
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Can we share one connection at one location? I have a few PC's home and I'd like to connect all to the Net. What about firewall and router/switch? Do I need to have my own? We are in Freeport, if that is far enough for Beta testing give me a call.
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i'v been owning you all @ 300-400 ping on halo servers ..... it depends on the game , battlefield NEEDS -200 ping to snipe....
while I agree that some games are better for highpingers than others, 300ms will let u suck big time - no matter if u're 1337 or not - the only positive thing is that you warp all over the place - making it a bit harder for lpb's to frag you.
imho u could only own ppl with a ping equal to yours while any n00b with a 30ms ping would eat u alive.
yeap you're very right. at 300 ping there is a lot of warping and its basically impossible to snipe. you go either have to use a splash/wide range weapon like flamethrower, rocketlauncher, fuelrod gun etc. playing at 300-400 ping is a huge disadvantage as well. and you said you been owning us on the halo server? i never see you on de server nah, when last you went?
and yeah its true that ping affects the games differently, most games will move extremely crappy under 300ping, eg: q3. you launch a rocket and count about 3 secs before you even see it come out, lol.
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Hi, I am representing Green Dot Limited and am willing to answer any questions that any of you may have. Please do not hesitate to post questions on the forum or email me at telu@tstt.net.tt
The website is being developed and will inform you once its properly up.
We can also be contacted on 622 5700.
Green Dot Limited
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Good to see you on the forum greendot! (Has anyone seen a TSTT rep ever officially on this forum??)
lol @ another pro: "this is not TSTT"
trini, yuh damn right. wtstthb
I suffered through too many nightmares with their service desk, if they ever answer the phone at all.
Not to mention the stop and go internet action. One minute websites working, next few minutes they not. Wash rinse repeat.
Also my MSN always disconnecting on it's own. Pressura.
The other bachanal with tstt, is that it is tied into your phone line.
That means if your mother/sister/aunt run up a bill and you get disconnected, down goes your internet as well. Leaving you with a $2000 phone bill to pay just to get back up your internet access.
VOIP works perfectly fine over satellite.
I used satellite internet to run a VOIP phone service and customers loved it.
As for cloud cover affecting the link, they will have three satellite links over different parts of the island. Redundant.
That way if one is blocked, net traffic will flow through the others.
Long term plan (if enough customers are signed on) is to acquire fibre for internet through TSTT. This will give ultra fast pings externally as well as internally.
I am not too concerned about that though since the local servers will provide plenty of gaming as is.
Imagine, all the local servers hosted on the wireless network. All the various GLs sweating off the same servers against other members all over the island at ultra low ping. Clan vs Clan, Gl vs Gl.
Madness!
It will be insane!!
Not to mention, you could be downloadin and playing at the same time. Sine you got 512k for the gaming wan and 256k for the internet wan.
Try doing that with your dsl and a brother outside downloading hardcore. sweat buss.
Computer man / Curly. You guys should be within the range. I will talk to green dot and find out. Seems they are willing to extend the beta test to a few more people. Should I count you all in?
To answer your question on sharing, the equipment gives you a normal ethernet port at the PC end.
You can share that on your home lan just as you would any other internet connection using ICS, freesco or some other routing software/solution.
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Green dot seems to be a viable option for peeps without one, but it seems the pro's are all built around the intranet to allow local gaming/networking. But we all know we need servers and players to make that so called all gl's connected dream a reality. Most gl's i know don't have a single rig to spear for hosting a dedicated server and with games like css u need top of the line dedicated rigs. So my suggestion to u guys @green dot is provide local gaming servers for one or two popular games, that should not be a big expense for a company to have 2 or 3 high end machines sitting x locations until the community is thier to help them selves. Internet on sat. sucks thats reality, so hook us up with a great intranet at a better price than 400 bucks or don't expect to woo any tstt customers, cuz u not offering anything that they don't already have. pce.
nah.. I think that would be something for them to explore down the road
(gameservers.net anyone?), they need cover the entire island 1st, solve the satellite/latency problem and finally come down with the tstt fantasy rates - a connection @ those speeds shouldn't cost more than 60 bucks / m
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BTW can i use this connection to connect with xbox live? nad have to run good?
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telu@tstt.net.tt
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Hi
The ping times to the Internet currently would be around 550-600 ms.
However, what we are offering to GATT is to provide a wide area network to
the gaming servers and hence the ping times to the gaming servers would be
around 30 ms.
In addition, we will be putting in an off-island fiber link in the near
future to help with latency on off-island applications such as gaming
The fiber line may take a couple of months as at the moment we would need to
rely on TSTT for the fiber link although we are looking at ways of not using
them.
The technology we are using is fixed wireless technology with its own
proprietary protocol which is unpublished. It is not wifi which a lot of
people confuse fixed wireless technology for. Wifi is easy to crack, but
fixed wireless technology is very hard to crack - its much easier to crack
than hacking into a wired service.
Also, the network has airlink security and also DES encryption on the
network.
i'd think venezuala is in range of the network, so they can just run a fibre line there with alot less hassle than TSTT would give them......
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Green dot seems to be a viable option for peeps without one, but it seems the pro's are all built around the intranet to allow local gaming/networking. But we all know we need servers and players to make that so called all gl's connected dream a reality. Most gl's i know don't have a single rig to spear for hosting a dedicated server and with games like css u need top of the line dedicated rigs. So my suggestion to u guys @green dot is provide local gaming servers for one or two popular games, that should not be a big expense for a company to have 2 or 3 high end machines sitting x locations until the community is thier to help them selves. Internet on sat. sucks thats reality, so hook us up with a great intranet at a better price than 400 bucks or don't expect to woo any tstt customers, cuz u not offering anything that they don't already have. pce.
dan they said they gonna host the game servers for us, we doh hadda worry about that.
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good post Trini!!
nice heads up.
I've just saw info on new wireless standards online that will allow 70km range at 70mbps. That should be enough to reach off island to venezuela.
802.16e (for mobile users) and 802.16(2004) (for isps)
check 'em up online!
also, Pre-N. Belkin has a device out for us$150 that can do 800% wider coverage than your typical 54g linksys router.
That is an amazing jump in performance. Also runs @ 108mb. Faster than lan. Walls, not a problem.
Also, menace in case you did not understand...our servers are not going to be hosted at the GLs. They will be consolidated and hosted on the wireless network itself. That way no latency or bandwidth issues and easier to manage.
This will probably the first and last time i hear baego say .... good post trini
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BTW can i use this connection to connect with xbox live? nad have to run good?
yeah you can but it won't run good.
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the 1.544k down, 256k up package tstt offers is not true t1 (although for the price they charging it should be)
A T-1 is a dedicated phone connection supporting data rates of 1.544Mbits per second. A T-1 line actually consists of 24 individual channels, each of which supports 64Kbits per second. Each 64Kbit/second channel can be configured to carry voice or data traffic. Most telephone companies allow you to buy just some of these individual channels, known as fractional T-1 access
T1 data are normally treated as higher importance by telcos, than DSL lines, so time to repair and provisioning can be considerably faster. A T1 fault may be repaired within hours, or a day, whereas a DSL line fault could be a 5 day turn around time. (normal for US telcos tstt may take weeks)
The other important difference is that T1 lines are more easily repeated to cover longer distances, something that has not yet happened for ADSL lines.
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cool
That T1 sounds like super ISDN
TSTT T1 sounds like super DSL.
Apart from the service turn around time and distance converage, is there any other real world disadvantage when it comes to download speeds or latency?
We have 512k ISDN in the office but I have never used it for anything other than Video Conferencing. I don't suppose they inherently have internet access?
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how soon will we know if they implimenting the 128 k?
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cool
That T1 sounds like super ISDN
TSTT T1 sounds like super DSL.
Apart from the service turn around time and distance converage, is there any other real world disadvantage when it comes to download speeds or latency?
We have 512k ISDN in the office but I have never used it for anything other than Video Conferencing. I don't suppose they inherently have internet access?
with a T1 you get high-speed downloading and uploading which makes it great for webservers.
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our quake 3 , war 3 and other older game servers won't take up much resources , running on linux we could use a single ,machine to host them all ( if we can find an up to date dedicated linux patch) , . on three to four machines that are medium spec ( 1.6-2ghz, 256 RAM) should be able to hold all the game servers we currantly need, dedicated 24/7 , COD, HALO , SOF2 , War 3 , quake III etc. and maybe even some .. filez that are in high demand........
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I doh really like how this is sounding, but that's my personal opinion.
It sounds like the only real advantage of this service is that you'll be have an excellent online gaming facility locally.
Your sweat will be limited to whoever's on the service...and whatever game's they're playing.
Stuff like Lineage, WoW, Call of Duty, UT 2k4 on foreign servers will be out of the question.
You'll be screwed with lag, or seriously disadvantaged at best.
Can someone from the company address this?
It sounds as if taking this service is confining you to the local scene. What's the point of that if TSTT allows you to play well locally as well as internationally?
Baego, haven't you always championed the idea of GATT on the internation scene? How are we going to become an international force if we can't even sweat against people in foreign countries?
Somebody lay out a clear Pros and Cons nah...this sounding way too one-sided. I must be getting something wrong.
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BTW can i use this connection to connect with xbox live? nad have to run good?
You might be able to connect but it will run terribly.
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From reading the whole thread, this is what I'm getting.
PROS
- Wireless
- Same speed as TSTT
- Same price as TSTT
- Turbo speed Intranet to sweat with people in Trinidad who have the service.
CONS
- Terrible for online gaming on foreign servers
- Terrible for online gaming with anyone who isn't with Green Dot.
- Bad for P2P networks.
- Not portable.
- Speed and reliability of service easily influenced by bad weather.
The bold parts have me real worried. I need to hear solid information about those points, not no setta ring-rong talk, before I consider this service.
I'm also not really interested in what's coming soon. When it comes, so will I.
Only thing this has over TSTT at all is the ability to sweat better with people on the network. I need clarification.
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for some ppl speeds with green dot might actually be better -
I can only watch in awe how fast the internet connection at browwwsers
in sando is, compared to mine - I'm getting isdn like speeds on the same package in my area.
some of the cons you list for green dot easily apply to tstt's dsl as well.
as I discussed before - pings from my location (might be different
with u all in pos) are highly unsuitable for online gaming -
90 ms is the least I got - which is acceptable for a ffa game.
I've tried to connect to my ex-clanserver in germany and got pings
around 150-300ms - so ut is out of the question for me.
so if you plan to play in tournaments, u won't stand a chance against
all the us kiddies with 20ms pings.
bad weather does have some detrimental effects on tstt's services too.
whenever there's heavy rain, we lose phone service for a couple days =)
the fact that there's a new company offering broadband in trinidad, that is a) not relying on tstt's infrastructure and B) willing to cover the entire island, is commendable. however prices should be at least 25-30% lower to attract more ppl.
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don't forget alyuh, in a few months the pings will be just as good, maybe even BETTER than TSTT DSL speeds, as they are getting a fibre line ! high pings are only temporary .
They will have a big market, most people don't even know what a 'ping' is and they are covering alot of areas where DSL coverage doesn't ...... many people will jump on it just because it ISN"T tstt.....
does your cell phone service get affected by weather much ? this service operates on an even HIGHER frequency , clouds and static would not affect it much, and even when it does, you have 3 sattelites covering us not one , TSTT doesn't have a backup for their ADSL network, so when it goes down you suck salt with no net for d whole day !
I have yet to see how good (or bad) the service actually is but i doubt it can be any worse than TSTT !
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some of the cons you list for green dot easily apply to tstt's dsl as well.
as I discussed before - pings from my location (might be different
with u all in pos) are highly unsuitable for online gaming -
90 ms is the least I got - which is acceptable for a ffa game.
I've tried to connect to my ex-clanserver in germany and got pings
around 150-300ms - so ut is out of the question for me.
so if you plan to play in tournaments, u won't stand a chance against
all the us kiddies with 20ms pings.
it have something call worse in my vocabulary. you can still play good game with 150ping, you may not be able to but i sure as hell can. so imagine if you getting 150 ping with dsl what you go get on satelite? twice/three times as worse, you looking at not playable at all, not even with flak/grenade.
don't forget alyuh, in a few months the pings will be just as good, maybe even BETTER than TSTT DSL speeds, as they are getting a fibre line ! high pings are only temporary .
They will have a big market, most people don't even know what a 'ping' is and they are covering alot of areas where DSL coverage doesn't ...... many people will jump on it just because it ISN"T tstt.....
to those who not covered by tstt then ofcourse this wireless is the best bet, no doubt about it. and you said in a few months ithe pings will be just like tstt. well in a few months tstt may increase the bandwidth even more as competition is now here. is only a matter of time. we talking about now, not months away. they hadda build up customers an thing before they can implement those stuff
does your cell phone service get affected by weather much ? this service operates on an even HIGHER frequency , clouds and static would not affect it much, and even when it does, you have 3 sattelites covering us not one , TSTT doesn't have a backup for their ADSL network, so when it goes down you suck salt with no net for d whole day !
I have yet to see how good (or bad) the service actually is but i doubt it can be any worse than TSTT !
do you understand how satelites work? it would be logical that those 3 satelites are placed all across the island, like one in east, one in north and one in south or something. if you living in a place that does real rain an thing like chaguanas i go hear bout you :P anyway if the ADSL network goes down you can always use dialup on the same account.
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I doh know if the worst-case scenario 300ms that you get on TSTT is anywhere as significant as the consistent 500ms+ that you will get on a Green Dot account.
I want solid facts, both pro and con, before considering it, and I also want to hear feedback who actually have it.
$500 + $400 monthly is plenty money to spend on what *might* happen.
And I definitely not willing to give up the ability to play games on foreign servers.
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it would be logical that those 3 satelites are placed all across the island, like one in east, one in north and one in south or something. if you living in a place that does real rain an thing like chaguanas i go hear bout you :P anyway if the ADSL network goes down you can always use dialup on the same account.
trinidad is just over 5000km 2 .... i'd think there'd be ALOT of overlapping by those sattelites ...........
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Less than 150 is good performance for any online shooter.
Less than 100 is great.
There were scores of servers with that level of ping on every online shooter I've played so far. Particularly CS: Source.
And that was before the bandwidth increase. I don't know if anything's changed.
I don't think it should be implied that online shooters are in any way unplayable on TSTT DSL. That is very far from the truth.
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it have something call worse in my vocabulary. you can still play good game with 150ping, you may not be able to but i sure as hell can. so imagine if you getting 150 ping with dsl what you go get on satelite? twice/three times as worse, you looking at not playable at all, not even with flak/grenade.
of course you can play a good game @150ms - i used to play q2 on a 33.6 dial up connection on heat.net (rip) and had lots of fun.
With isdn I got pings around 90 ms and that was (and is) great for
classic dm, ctf you name it.
tournaments and all that clan stuff, where you have to win,
can be quite frustrating against low pingers (and that might just be the case with international matches) - I think that's what kayode was looking at.
so.. gaming is in fact possible on tstt dsl
- tourneys/proper sniping&instagibbing imho not w/o frustration =)
So personally, I find the offer great - they're connecting the community - and allowing people like me, who are too lazy to get their butt to a gl, to play against the gatt elite
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this is d real thing....bun down tstt and let we start d real stuff....i hope this available in cumuto....cause i want it....i just want to get rid of tstt....
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it would be logical that those 3 satelites are placed all across the island, like one in east, one in north and one in south or something. if you living in a place that does real rain an thing like chaguanas i go hear bout you :P anyway if the ADSL network goes down you can always use dialup on the same account.
trinidad is just over 5000km 2 .... i'd think there'd be ALOT of overlapping by those sattelites ...........
*sigh*
we go see yes.
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does your cell phone service get affected by weather much ? this service operates on an even HIGHER frequency , clouds and static would not affect it much,
u have so much redemtion to do it's rediculous. Keep talkin, I enjoy the laughs.
Good Times. :)
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Great posts and great questions.
Let me have a go at Kayodes concerns first and foremost.
This is meant to compliment the international gaming scene in the short run, NOT REPLACE IT.
That is, we don't expect people with DSL who want to play international games competitively over the internet to switch to this service at this moment. Not until the fibre/dsl internet backbone option is in place.
In fact, the GLs will be retaining their DSL connections as well. The wireless backbone will be just that, a wireless backbone to connect all of them together, providing no internet services whatsoever.
For gamers outside of the DSL service areas, this will be an excellent option for them to game against all other members on the network and ESPECIALLY those in the GLs.
So you can have islandwide tournaments at "lan like" speeds. 20-30ms ping for a national unreal 2004 5v5 Onslaught tourney with $5000 first prize. North vs South vs East vs West.
Instead of a pocket of mini tourney's in each GL with $500 first prize.
I hope that makes it clearer.
Also, this will save John Doe clan member from having to run down to the GL to participate if he has the service at home. We will be hosting a teamspeak server so he can join his clan's channel and be right on point for the action with audio chat through a headset.
Now for Rampage and the satellites.
The three Sats will be at three different locations but EACH will be able to service the entire network. They will be themselves connected via the wireles backhaul. That means if cloud cover in central somehow managed to affect Sat 1, people on the network in chaguanas will be seamlessly routed through Sat 2 in
Port of Spain via the wireless backhaul (which is not affected by weather).
So to conclude:
Green.dot 512k Gaming Intranet + 256K Internet
PROS
- Same speed as TSTT for downloads (32K)
- Same price as TSTT
- Turbo speed Intranet to sweat with people in Trinidad who have the service.
-Turbo Speed intranet backbone for the GLs
- No phone line required, no phone bill to pay
- Free installation ($500 value)
- Greater coverage and availability to Trinidadians and Tobagonians
- Free consolidated hosting of GATT servers on their network data center to provide dedicated, high performance, high bandwidth sweat for gamers and the GLs.
- Great for Local P2P networks
- Great for VOIP
- Great customer service (24/7 support)
CONS
- Terrible for online gaming on foreign servers
- Terrible for online gaming with anyone who isn't with Green Dot.
- Bad for INTERNATIONAL P2P networks
- Not portable.
- Line of Sight dependent
TSTT 256k DSL Residential DSL
$400.00
Pros:
-Great for international gaming
-Great for sweat against other users with the service
Cons:
- Strange persistent time out problem (Web pages and MSN messenger)
- Poor availability
- Additional costs (you have to pay at least $30-40 extra a month for the phone line, worse if someone uses the phone)
- Horrible customer service
Anyone want to add some more to these for both companies offerings in case I missed any?
Now lets talk a little about what the future might hold.
As is, Green Dot are keen to work with us and provide a solution tailored to our needs. They also plan to go with a land line based internet backbone solution in the future so we will see some of the Cons turn into Pros if they get the number of subscribers they are looking for.
The way I see it, if they are offering us a great package and we can really turn out some strong numbers for them and in turn they are able to justify the costs of bringing on a fibre/dsl backbone for our international gaming needs we would have achieved the holy grail and a TRUE alternative to TSTT for high speed downloads, gaming islandwide and internationally.
As is, this is an incredible opportunity not to be taken lightly.
If all goes well at the end of 2005 you will be looking at the ultimate gaming network in the caribbean.
They will also have the ultimate marketing force, both from word of mouth from membership and massive tournament promotions.
A great relationship.
Again, keep up the awesome questions and feedback. They are reading this thread so these comment will influence decisions and you can expect responses from their management directly.
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TSTT 256k DSL Residential DSL
$400.00
Pros:
-Great for international gaming
-Great for sweat against other users with the service
-Good for all P2P Networks.
-Great for VOIP
-Portable
Cons:
- Strange persistent time out problem (Web pages and MSN messenger)
- Poor availability
- Additional costs (you have to pay at least $30-40 extra a month for the phone line, worse if someone uses the phone)
- Horrible customer service
Green.dot 512k Gaming Intranet + 256K Internet
PROS
- Same speed as TSTT for downloads (32K)
- Same price as TSTT
- Turbo speed Intranet to sweat and swap files with people in Trinidad who have the service.
- No phone line required, no phone bill to pay
- Free installation ($500 value)
- Greater coverage and availability to Trinidadians and Tobagonians
- Free consolidated hosting of GATT servers on their network data center to provide dedicated, high performance, high bandwidth sweat for gamers and the GLs.
- Great for VOIP
- 24/7 customer service
CONS
- Terrible for online gaming on foreign servers
- Terrible for online gaming with anyone who isn't with Green Dot.
- Bad for INTERNATIONAL P2P networks
- Not portable.
- Line of Sight dependent
Some of the Green Dot pros were redundant. And some sound iffy, like "Great Customer Service". Most yuh could say is 24/7 customer service.
Also, is there a final, solid list of which areas will be serviced upon the ISP's official public launch? Because saying that "they will be able to" doesn't say much. As loathe as I am to back them up, TSTT is widening their coverage area all the time. So those two points tend to cancel each other out.
I still see this as a great option for people who have no TSTT DSL access, and something good for the GLs, but nothing to drop a TSTT account for. But best of luck.
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@greendot
it would be very nice, if you could post a signup-form pdf in the forums.
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cool, this goes for everyone, feel free to challenge the ones that sound iffy and we can decide on the best wording to make them not obscure and as infallable as possible.
Also, the redundant ones.
As for actual coverage.
Port of Spain
Diego Martin
West Moorings
East West Corridor
Chaguanas
(and environs applies to all of these)
A 10 mile radius from each access point is typical.
There is a lot of work that needs to take place before a proper geographic map of trinidad showing the coverage is generated. That is the only reason it has not been done yet.
It will be done but is going to take some time and a lot of testing.
If you understand the nature of this particular technology, you won't have any doubts. I'll ask and see if I can divulge some of the details.
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ok beago i ready to beta test i in la romaine .....
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yes beago or grean dot guy what iz the up speed of a of 256k ??
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Some info relating to some of the points :
1. The proposed relationship is not intended to get everyone to switch provider to Green Dot. If a member is happy with TSTT and the local 512K connection is not to valuable, then it makes sense for the member to stay with TSTT
2. The backbone Satellite connections do not get affected by cloud cover or bad weather - there are many types of Satellite services some of which are easily affected by bad weather, but the backbone of Green Dot will be using the more expensive, reliable and better performing Satellite services to ensure that weather does not affect the service. Sun Spots are the only thing that will affect the service, which will cause downtime for a few minutes, 2 times a year (I believe in March and September) and Sun Spots affect ALL satellite communications.
3) The fact that Green Dot will have multiple Satellite connections is not to combat weather problems, but to have redundancy in the event that a Satellite fails. The reason that they will be located at different locations is also for redundancy in the event that a locations burns down or something drastic like that.
4) The website is still being updated and we will have an online sign up procedure. However, you can go to our temporary website at www.mail.tt and register your interest and we will call you back to discuss the service / options.
5) We will officially start selling the gaming solution to members once the beta test is complete (hopefully by end of next week). At this stage, we are only signing up straightforward high speed Internet customers
6) We will provide more details on coverage - however, currently we can see what was outlined above, however we will be within 1 month expanding to South and Arima. Following this, other areas will come on line very quickly. Tobago will be on by middle of April.
7) Our standard Internet residential package is 64K up. The local connections will be 512K symmetric.
Let me know if you have any further questions - you can either email me at sales@mail.tt or I will reply to this forum.
Thanks
Green Dot Limited
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Thanks for clearing those up Green Dot.
Some members also expressed interest in any employment opportunities. Are there openings? If yes, for what positions and what prerequisites?
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Yes there are opportunities. We are looking for positions in the following roles :
Dispatch Team or Installation team - currently looking for 2 people to install equipment etc at customer locations.
Customer Service people - Need customer service people to work evening (4pm until midnight) and late shift (midnight to 8am).
Sales Dept - Looking for sales people to develop new business and manage existing customers.
For now, the positions are entry level positions with opportunity for any individual to grow into a more senior position. The technical team is currently OK - however, will probably need more in the coming months.
There will be other positions very soon, but that's it for now. There
We are looking for people with the right attitude as opposed to experience. We will teach the individuals what they need to know.
If anyone is interested, please email your resume to sales@mail.tt
Green Dot Limited
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thanks a lot there greendot. you will be seeing my resume very very soon. i have lots of customer service experience and i want to shift to the It industry. and with regard to the service i have to get some more info on it
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that 512 k sym is very very cool green dot guy.
the oppurtunities seem great as well.
Making a great addition to the progress of the company.
Might see my resume soon as well, although you said that the technical team is ok. ill show yu mine if yu show me yurs.
lol
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Well you all saying soon soon steups
Sensei done send he own already :D they eh respond yet though :(
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will this work with XBOX live?
It will, but the pings may kill you...unless you gaming with locals...
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Well you all saying soon soon steups
Sensei done send he own already biggrin.gif they eh respond yet though sad.gif
same here, no reply - they seem to be quite busy atm =)
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Yes actually i got a reply tonight and they stated they are extremely busy and havent had a chance to examine my resume but soon they will contact me
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What's the salary like?
Someone PM me this info please. Thanks.
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We have received the resume's from a few people and do apologise for not calling as yet. We are still to review the resume's and you should get calls shortly from the right people managing the relevant departments.
We are now looking for 1 more IT person due to the demand and workload - again entry level to join the team - so please mail resume's to sales@mail.tt
Thanks
Green Dot Limited
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oKAY GREEN DOT I NEED TO GET DOME KIND OF TECH DOC. ON THE METHODS YA'LL ARE PROPOSING TO USE, NOT ANYTHING WHICH WILL COMPROMISE YOUR SECURITY BUT SOMETHING GIVING US A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF HOW IT'S GOING TO BE SET UP. and what plans ya'll have in place to deal with current legislative constrictions which would hamper ya'll.
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well i mailed mine some days ago
no reply :(
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One thing nobody touched on is, will the gl's go with greendot or continue with tstt. It would benifit if all the gl's went greendot but if only one or 2 with greendot how does that benifit everybody? how would we be able to play against each other whether it be home or from a gl if ppl on tstt gonna experience higher pings.
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we did touch on that Speedy. The GLs will not be "switching" to greendot exclusively.
Whatever broadband connection (if any at all) that is in place will be maintained.
The wireless connection is primarily for the gaming network.
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i am willing to work please give me the info my email b shivon101@hotmail.com
[edit=Czar]
Next time please use the edit button to update your post instead of creating a whole new one.
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lol
madcat, you should email in your resume, not ask them to email you more info.
and just to let everyone know, the beta test has started. Our dish was installed last week.
Expect other beta testers to be on stream soon.
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i still waiting for my dish... and hoping i can get service in arima ...
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They're coming to do a site visit at my place soon to see if I can get the service...if it turns out to be good, then I'm signing up for sure :)
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Does n e 1 know if they are still accepting n e employees still?
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guys got called in for interviews yesterday, that's all I know.
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i need to know are they still looking for customer service representatives? i need to find this out bad
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Why don't you give them a call then...628-5700
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damn Czar, d number not workin. Anyone have another number for them?
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Shite...my bad...622-5700! :wacko: