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Official Forums => Website Updates, Suggestions & Bug Reports => Topic started by: TrinireturnofGamez on November 21, 2005, 03:51:47 PM
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I didn't go... though from what i hear it had lots of problems ranging from crashing pcs to overloaded power systems .... Also the timing was bad , men have exams , school and work still ! Here are some of my ideas for the next big event , if it is hosted at all :
1. Have it in early december , school out , men taking holiday... more attendance ...
2. Set up and stress test the systems a day before the event, don't allow BYOC as to prevent the building's electrical system from overloading... Though since we use cafe machines for this , cafe's will loose an extra day's business.. not too applicable .
3. Possibly keep the PC's in their respective cafe's, have TSTT run a 10mbit optic fibre line to the location and host the SERVER's there , hooked up to big screens so people can see , this gets rid of the problem of cafe's loosing money and eletrical systems overloading , alot more space for other events etc. But requires alot of technical expertise and bandwidth... Each cafe would need 1mbit at least for 10 men to be playing at the same time .
4. Use a pile of laptops and wi-fi.. this will get rid of the power restrictions and likely the lappies would be donated by a company for the duration so cafe's won't need their machines moving around....
Any more ideas ?
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Umm don't have a suggestion but more of a Comment.
Arena ......was a good idea....a beautiful one in fact, but it could have been managed a lot better, probably it was a lack of foresight or something i dunno.I know Toppa tried, Baego tried, Neo tried and the other cyber cafe owners and members tried but too much shit happened too fast. I guess we will all learn from the event and Arena next year will be much much better.
My only suggestion is that you should probably only have the finals at the stadium.The preliminaries should be at the different cafes.....give everyone a chance to play everyone like a league and the winners of the different leagues and divisions should advance to the finals.
One complaint though......ah vex de COD Tournament eh come off dread.........cause I AM THE GREATEST COD PLAYER IN THIS COUNTRY AND I DIDN'T GET TO PROVE IT!!! ALL ALYUH PUNKS GET AWAY !
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true a series of prelim matches would have been good , have them in agaust holidays .... knock out enough men to need only about 20 machines on the big day would help alot . Also alot more men will get a chance to be fragged... and more time for more games *cough counterstrike*cough BATTLEFIELD 2 !!! UNREAL !!! WARHAMMER!
Plus it would have been great to air it on TV on all local channels live, the koreans have several channels devoted to gaming alone , why can't we have one show a year?
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Yeah boy trini. Pressure iwmc.
Power problems galore. They were persistent and seriously haunted the entire PC leg of the event.
There were a few crashing PCs but that was expected given the number of systems (80 in total). Remember, these all came from GLs used by the public. Can't expect all to run smoothly. That was less of an issue.
1) Having it during the school holidays would be great. Trouble is getting the venue. You have to book these places almost a year in advance if you hope to get a date of your liking. Next year we will be sure to make the booking as early as possible to get a sweet date.
2) We had Thursday night and Friday carded for testing but thanks to the National Holiday on Thursday, we were unable to do so. The tent / tables & chairs people never showed up. Off in fits of jubilation in St. James no doubt.
Football fete idmc.
So there we were, stuck without accomodations to do any setup or testing.
BYOC spots could still be accomodated so long as they replaced units that were already setup. So the grand total of machines remained at 80. (A minimum of 64 being retained for the event, leaving 16 byoc)
A dread electrician should be on hand to ensure nothing starts draining the system too heavily.
3) lol @ 10mbit from TSTT to connect the GLs
4) lol @ laptops and wifi.
Love the intent of this thread.
Will throw up other suggestions as they come to me.
Attached is a picture of a main electrical component from Arena that wtfpwned us. Meltdown to craw.
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Okay personally I was gleeful with this idea. I mean a local E3, THAT ROCKS!!! However as to be expected problems arose. Now I really don't agree with the BYOC for any tournament, I gives people with beasts an advantage over people who have to use the cafe PCs.
Next the olad addage: "So much to do, so little time," I really think the league idea mentioned is this thread earlier is the best way to go. Also for the Halo tornaments the screens should be opposite each other and no spectators except those who are there for the specific teams. Cause there was abig discrpancy during the solo tournament about a spy.
Have the "Free PLay" and tornament areas separate so the confusion of whether you are watching a tournament or just some guys playing around is annoying.
Limit the number of tournaments I mean how many tournaments you all were trying to have in 3 days.
I had fun and seeing as it was the first the few short comming were forgiveable. It's like they say. Live and learn, then get Luvs.
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great suggestions!
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trini being his usual mc self again
LOL SO HARD @ TSTT FIBRE FROM GLS TO STADIUM
yu have to be a flikkin mad man
steups.
wtf yu thinking bout laptops an wireless??? ahahahaah
noob
thats an even more nooby idea than the fibre aahahah
school holidays would be de flick doh
had men who had cambridge on monday an was in tourny whole weekend waiting for dota an ting lol.
Had luck dey seph.
The league is share brilliance
and those who support it, i would please ask for your help in organising and create the league.
Its to much for us lone gunslingers to do ourselves.
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Yeah, but we had that similar vision.
This wasn't just a tournament, but also a trade fair and exposition.
The nations leading digital entertainment shops had their booths and wares on display.
A Trini E3.
Though I think we missed that message in the marketing efforts. The tournament aspect seemed to come across as the primary motif to most of the attendees.
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Thanx to Arena ah get d GUN iso and liking mehself
But anyway lewwe do the league thing nah allyuh......wham?
Ah preaching dat long time now......
The Fantasy V platoon go help organise too
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Glad to hear yall will help.
Ill start up a thread with some ideas later on.
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Ok seems that there were alot of "professionals" around but some actions taken by the persons present made me wonder. I maybe a bit vexed and I need to get this off my chest before continuing my studies. Please not the Quotes on the professionals, some ppl should loose their wok for this nonsense.
Hey i'm just a yr1 elec student, but I can tell you that you don't need a trained electrician present to do a load test and to examine the breaker box before plugging in PCs. Daisy chaining strip connectors? and OMG different versions games, want suggestions? get ORGANIZED, use a calendar mark of events possible calamities etc. I tried to help but lets just say the person driving the car was using cuss words to describe his feelings.
Summary Less hands more brains.
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Yes you do need a trained electrician present when handling something like a generator.
As well as connecting 80+ PCs, Consoles, TVs, Projectors and other electronics in a place not designed for same.
We said that all along but never got one. Talk is cheap.
Next time, we need a paid professional on hand to handle it from the get go.
The games were to be synchronised in version on Friday but that could not happen due to the National Holiday throwing everything back a day.
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Heres an idea , Laqtel and digell are using Nortel CDMA technology which can provide several mbits of bandwidth and act as a WAN , you could use that to link the internet cafe's together in the POS area..... Plus if they have a fibre optic backbone , likely it would be through TSTT and men on DSL could participate from home/ cafe's across the country with low pings. .
Its alot easier for men living toco , grande , point fortin etc. to stay home / go to an internet cafe/ go by a friend with dsl than to go to POS for arena....
plus with a little coaxing you can get it done free or at least very cheaply by promiting whatever ISP is doing the WAN / internet connection at the event .
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Trini, your ideas are nice but not practical. The sponsers need people to come out, having them stay at home doesn't help them out at all.
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It is not practical for the Arena event itself but it is practical for the cafes and the gaming association.
This is precisely what greendot should have delivered for us but didn't.
If they can achieve that we will have gaming nirvana on the island.
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Arena was not E3 it was
*drumroll* T3
that should be the name of it nex yr :D
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Well I would think that the whole idea of the torny would be to bring gamers together on a personal , face to face level that is an have them battle it out with each other…make new friends create friendly rivalry etc.
A good question to ask is who would cheaters or suspected cheaters be dealt with this time around, hmmmm…cuz that was partly the reason for sof taking as long as it did. Well I personally hate sof now lol but if it’s going to be in arena 2006 maybe it should come after cod, or on separate days…hummm ok lets list the options
1) sof on one day cod on another
2) sof and cod time share, cod for an hr or so then sof
3) sof and cod prelims on..lets say fri and sat, then the two finals on sun
Anyone else has ideas?
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Zuse.
You do know that SOF was scheduled for Saturday and CoD for Sunday? Two separate days.
Severe power problems on Saturday caused SOF to run over into Sunday.
There were no "cheaters" in SoF as far as we are concerned. There were complaints but no one was ever found to be cheating. We actually had 5 people stationed to look at the screens of the cheaters for an entire match.
They won, 5 - 1, without a single suspicious act.
Other than that, good post.
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No cheaters hmmm....thats great the guys were really that good, interesting. Well i didnt know they were scheduled for seperate days my bad :mellow: but wasn't a match played over because they were suspected to cheating plus what about the weird happenings in the game? Even so wat action will be taken againt them in the event that it happens....god 4 bid.
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ite first id like tah say big up must go to baego,an the whole gatt crew for putting on a good show at the stadium last weekend.....but i hada admit dat dere were real flaws goin on like d sof tourney and d cod NEVER happened at arena problems which i hope that would b fixed in time for next arena...but the idea of havin it in december is a really good idea like sum 1 said bout ppl havin exams i also believe that many ppl wud prefer to have it at this time so that there would be bigger attendence and more sweatage......but other than that it was a good show hopefully by arena 2k6 it wud be better.
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Yes, no cheating.
By our best estimation, the weird happenings in the game were due to network issues.
Remember, 80 machines with people playing games, copying data, etc...all at the same time is a recipe for chaos.
They were told to use the tournament machines, on a separate switch, but insisted on using machine about two switches away. Encountering much more traffic and asking for network issues.
Next time we will insist that the tournament be played on the tournament network, apart from the rest of the LAN traffic.
The final verdict was that the players under question were not cheating.
Ultimately, having officials watch the entire match proved so. In the future, for such matches we will have no choice but to have a squad of officials monitoring the game.
Yeah iceman, next year will be better for sure.
During the holidays iwmc. Need to book the venue from early o'clock to get it.
And don't worry, we will make it up to the CoD players. League iymc.
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Something you all could probably discuss as well is having staple fighting games for tournaments. When I say this I mean not just choose games the organizers like etc. but preferrably games that will enable those participating to get experience for international tournaments.
If you go with this mindset, you won't have just one or two competitors who can only hang in one event each but instead, you'll have a team on individuals set on bringing down the competition. Get a feedback on what games are being played by the VXG committee and you'll have a list.
I'm saying this for the benefit of those who have the skill but not the fare to get to St Marten next year.
I rhymed.....sue me.
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amen to that..
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Ok cool -_- well i just wanna commend you guys for addressing the issues, hearing me out etc, arena 2006 sounds like it will be more of a success(may not be perfect though, but nothing is ) ...ah big sweat out!! :ph34r:
wait nah..we still in 2005 noooooooo...can't......wait.... :angry:
Yo Iceman we still have a team for the cod right? :mellow:
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To Imperial statement HELL YEAH!
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Well Imperial, the games were chosen based on feedback from the gamers and the Tournament Team.
Next year will be the same.
The Arena tournament registration included a survey asking which games the competitors were interested in. That data will help determine the event roster for Arena 2006.
It is not about forcing people to play the big tournament games on the international scene as much as it is about hosting events that the Trinidad gaming populace are interested in and actively play. Remember, turn out is important.
If those two happen to be one and the same then great!
As luck has it, at least four of our staple events for Arena 2005 are big international tournament games for 2006. (Namely, Call of Duty, Tekken 5, Soul Calibur 3, Fifa 2005/6)
If you have other games you think should be included, be sure to drum up support for it and have the gamers come out and represent. Even host mini tournaments at GLs to hype up the scene. We will gladly provide the facilities.
Once a game is active and popular on the local scene it stands a great chance of getting on the roster!
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I personally think that Arena should not of been held in the stadium..... however the location did have its benefits in the amount of room to move around
In lookin at the comin arena tourney in 2006 what we should look at is relocation ..
I recommend the Centre of Excellence in Macoya
It has two levels..... the lower level could be used for different gaming tourney such as xbox, playstation and also the trade show
While in the upper level could be where the machines are located
There is a large hall area so other tournies like Yugio and other trading card games could be placed away from the main attractions but not totally isolated
There is a stage area where annoucments could be made...... and behind this, there is a big screen that the final battles could be showcased.
Those of you that are advent attendies of the ever popular Anime City would know the general outlook of the place however sources have told me that it could be a lil expensive and that the palce is booked for events very early
thus for the up and comin Arena of 2006 we should move quick and serious about what we are doin to avoid the mistakes of 2005.
Arena has alot of potenial and I'm set aback by those who had nothing else to say but to highlight the misfournutes of the event.....
Healthy criticisms are always welcomed but it is also unproductive to criticize and not make suggestions of how to make things better
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Well the main issue with Centre Of Excellence is the price, is a good chunk of change they go be demanding, and then we hadda make sure that power issues are handled properly again...
With that said, I agree with looking to have there as a location for the next Arena event, it's a good location, plenty space, the main hall there will be airconditioned, and it'll be a cool lime in there...
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plus the hotel part of it is cool for organisers wishing to stay at the convention site all weekend
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it lookin like things for arena 2006 lokkin bright which is sweeeeeeettttttttt...........................
yea zues weh unit still 2geda lookin forward tah d turney
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Well Imperial, the games were chosen based on feedback from the gamers and the Tournament Team.
Next year will be the same.
The Arena tournament registration included a survey asking which games the competitors were interested in. That data will help determine the event roster for Arena 2006.
It is not about forcing people to play the big tournament games on the international scene as much as it is about hosting events that the Trinidad gaming populace are interested in and actively play. Remember, turn out is important.
If those two happen to be one and the same then great!
As luck has it, at least four of our staple events for Arena 2005 are big international tournament games for 2006. (Namely, Call of Duty, Tekken 5, Soul Calibur 3, Fifa 2005/6)
If you have other games you think should be included, be sure to drum up support for it and have the gamers come out and represent. Even host mini tournaments at GLs to hype up the scene. We will gladly provide the facilities.
Once a game is active and popular on the local scene it stands a great chance of getting on the roster!
I believe I've read that the winners of Arena 2006 will be afforded a ticket to take part of the tourney in St Marten next year.
Keeping that in mind, would it be prudent to have people playing tournaments like MK Deception and win only to realize there will be no event for them after making the pilgrimage?
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Arena is not a 1 trick Pony.
After the incredible turn out for Tekken, you can be sure it will be on the roster again.
Same for Fifa.
The survey is really to give other games a chance to get on the event schedule.
It hardly unlikely that a game like Xmen vs Capcom will come out on top of Tekken/Soul Calibur in the survey.
If it happens, so be it (but I seriously doubt it judging from Arena 2005)
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its xmen vs street fighter
and marvel vs capcom
and doh be on my boy xmen vs streets!!
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lol
didn't want to call a "real" game for fear of offending some die hard players.
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Arena is not a 1 trick Pony.
After the incredible turn out for Tekken, you can be sure it will be on the roster again.
Same for Fifa.
The survey is really to give other games a chance to get on the event schedule.
It hardly unlikely that a game like Xmen vs Capcom will come out on top of Tekken/Soul Calibur in the survey.
If it happens, so be it (but I seriously doubt it judging from Arena 2005)
This doesn't answer my question though.
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Like I said, given the number of games run at Arena, there will surely be events held at the international level for some of them.
For example. Last year for GigaGames 2005 they had Tekken, NFS (which was eventually scrapped) and Winning Eleven. We sent our winners for Tekken.
Whereas the winners of SOF didn't go anywhere since there was no SOF at Gigagames.
Understand?
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I got it now. Seems like you have to win at Tekken to go anywhere free though....
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@ that statement imperial
mainly because tekken was serious at that time and they sent the players we were positive bad man bryan would kick ass
but in future dealings etc there are games that are going to be looked at and played to see if there serious and we have world class players to enter sponsoring to go to a competition and not bringing back the cream of the crop is pretty hard yuh know
ive gone to interntational tourneys in 2002-2003 paid my own ticket if you can why not try that ? ^_^
also stating arent we looking also at local played games and what locals think is the competition round here im jus stating something that should be taught of cause everyone is thinking IF THE OTHER COUNTRIES DO IT and its international level we should do it to ...i had alot of mis taughts with sof but i was corrected by shizz "its not what they play up there its whats considered competition down here "
my $2.99
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lol @ imperial.
listen and listen well. It takes a lot of work to achieve something like that. (An international trip to represent the country in a video game)
We are not about to go through all that effort for half baked competitors.
The tekken players were considerable and more importantly, consistent. They really came out and supported the whole process. Through and through.
If other players would get off their butts and rally for their games in a similar fashion, then they too will be treated with the same attention.
For instance, guys came down to HQ saying that "Game X" would be the better tournament game. In turn, I challenged them to show me the numbers. Bring out the multitude of "Game X" players and run a tourney or so. We would provide the facilities.
They have yet to return.
Not serious.
You catch my meaning?
We have only to look to the attendance at Arena and previous tournament to see who the real competitors are. To see those who not only talk about competitive gaming but are walking the walk.
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Kaizen, I already plan on paying for my own ticket to go St Marten next year. However, I'm tossing that up with the idea of going to the US instead. I know I'm guaranteed to find good players and where to find them. Pretty much, the deciding factor for me is mainly that eenie meenie game.
Like I said before, I'm just trying to get a word in for the unspoken mass of nameless gamers.....all 2 of them.
I'm not hinging myself on anyone's plans here.
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ent @ unspoken mass of nameless gamers.
I like that. Well said.
Reminiscent of the "helmet men" in anime whose names you'd never know
or the red shirt Star Trek security officer that would accompany Captain Kirk on dangerous missions only to die before making it to a next episode.
It is our job to find the Brian Laras, Dwight Yorkes and Fatal1tys that are hiding amongst the faceless ranks. Entice 'em out of their normal routine and put 'em on the world stage.
We have found one so far. BryanMaster.
With luck we will find more.
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One complaint though......ah vex de COD Tournament eh come off dread.........cause I AM THE GREATEST COD PLAYER IN THIS COUNTRY AND I DIDN'T GET TO PROVE IT!!! ALL ALYUH PUNKS GET AWAY !
oh really......
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lol
We will settle that score.
Shaolin bringing up a squad to war in CoD at HQ on Saturday Dec 19th.
Dreadnaught welcome to show his skill then.
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weeee more cod
/marks date on calender lights the OS signal in de sky MOFOS ASSSEMBLES!!!!!
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Damm, I real wish I could have gone to Arena....sigh, gastro is a bitch :( But still, gives me some time to pratice for Arena 2006!
From the way this one sounded....it seemed as though it was disasterious...BUT FUN! lol, cant wait for the next one...
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yes we have a positive man kudos proto!
@ imperial thats the best thing to do go on your own make your name you undoubtfully have the skill ^_^
anywhoo arena 2006 ..:P
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If BatMan is who i think he is..............
leave it to you to call my bluff.............
yes i never beat you in a game .........yet *sighs and picks up his busted helmet*
Bring It.
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lol
We will settle that score.
Shaolin bringing up a squad to war in CoD at HQ on Saturday Dec 19th.
Dreadnaught welcome to show his skill then.
Umm you mean Saturday the 17th of December or Monday the 19th of December........2005 that is.
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Umm if this was not mentioned before or if it was forgive me for my late thinking
for arena 2006 do a survey of the most sweated games and view the competitivness of each also view the international games used in competitions mix together we should have a nice bundle for each genre.
Survey starts with a poll online from gatt users guests etc ...and then its takin to the streets as well to the different cafes etc
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the Garand is fully loaded,
now comes the calm before the storm
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lol @ garand fully loaded.
Yeah, Kaizen,
That is the plan.
Did you read the meeting minutes in the admin section?
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Zuse ..........u comming to get urs too on the 17th??
i got rounds for all.
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Hey, lissen up....I don't have technical sugestions...per say...but I have some gaming suggestions...
have these games.....Street Fighter Alpha 3, Counter Strike Source, Killer Instinct 2 and Starcraft
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I am not opposed to having Mortal Kombat: Deception or Marvel vs. Capcom 2 featured at ARENA.
The latter has some pretty healthy competition behind it, whereas Deception has been totally looked over at the previous ARENA, and needs some exposure.