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Gaming => Clan Announcements and Challenges => Topic started by: Ultima on March 27, 2006, 12:43:26 PM
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The premise is simple: I challenge anyone to a game of Street Fighter or Street Fighter related game, with the exception of the abominable SF EX series. Games can be SF2 series, SF3 series, CvS1 (ugh), CvS2, Xmen vs. SF (XSF), Marvel Superheroes vs. SF (MSF), Marvel vs. Capcom 1, or Marvel vs. Capcom 2. I have tournament experience in the US, with the exceptions of SF2:Turbo and Super Turbo, you have very little chance of victory. But I'm really looking for someone to play against... I have neither the time nor the inclination to just go to random arcades (that are bgetting scarcer by the day) and beat people up any more.
I have declared that no one in Trinidad knows how to play any Street Fighter game post-Sf2 properly, and here is your chance to prove me wrong.
I'll also challenge anyone in Guilty Gear XX/XX# Reload. I'm not that good at these two games, but I suspect that no one else is that good either, so it should be even, if not in my favour.
Note: I only play on a joystick. So if an arcade machine is not available, I will bring my own PS2 joystick. I have a USB adapter that enables me to play on PC. I used to have a PS2->Dreamcast converter, but I don't know what happened to it. I don't have an PS2->XBox converter, unfortunately. If Xbox is involved, I would need a converter, if the USB version does't work.
For anyone interested, they can contact me in the following ways:
e-mail: shinultima@yahoo.com
phone: 795-9783
Since I work, I'm really only available on Saturdays afternoons. I might be able to swing a weekday during the day, but it's very unlikely.
Thanks in advance to anyone who responds.
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Do you play Mortal Kombat 2 I want to challenge somebody in that.....for about 3 months now!! :angry:
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ultima from srk right ?
i won't be much of a challenge but i'll play you in 3s and #r anyways :)
rbakshi22@hotmail.com to arrange a time or something
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I'll take you on.
SSF2T
ST2
SF3S
CvS2
GGXX
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Sounds Interesting indeed....I accept to the following:
SSF2T
Hyper SF2
SF3S
CVS2
XvsSF
MvsSF
MVC 1&2
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Har. And har, again.
I'll take you on in Marvel vs. Capcom 1 and 2, Ultima. You're about to eat some major crow.
Arrange something with me here: neweraoutlaw@hotmail.com
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any money involved
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Of course...there's transportation costs, gaming costs, food costs and then you always have to pay attention when playing which is always taxing.
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Of course...there's transportation costs, gaming costs, food costs and then you always have to pay attention when playing which is always taxing.
Lol
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Got my matches in Saturday gone. Made for an interesting experience on all counts.
Played
SF3s
SF AE
GGXX
CvS2
I must say I never knew how retarded champ edition bison was.
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I was witness to those beatings.
awesome display of skill.
Most times the scores were pretty tied up between imperial and ultima
5 - 5
21 - 21
Tight competition iwmc.
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Hey folks. My report on the proceedings, in a little more detail:
To start, let me say that I have indeed been proven wrong about "no one in Trinidad knows how to play Third Strike". Imperial_X is a really good player overall, one of the best I've encountered here. I'm glad to see that I can no longer take for granted that TnT is scrubville. With that out of the way:
Hyper Street Fighter 2: In shot, my Bison ran roughshod over all. Imperial_X is definitely a competant SF2 player, but wasn't quite ready for a Bison of my experience level. When it came to other characters, though, my performance was considerably more hit and miss and it was far more even. I did decently well with Blanka and, oddly enough, Honda. I did okay with Sagat and Vega too. My Guile and Balrog were pretty terrible. I was especially disappointed in 'Rog. True, my 'Rog is not good, but he should have still done a lot better than he did. And as usual, my shotos are awful. I don't know why I even bother. He was really good with Ken, Ryu and Sagat, and okay with Guile.
Capcom vs. SNK2: I got my ass washed in this game. HARD. Mostly I got raped by Sagat. He had R2 Sagat on all his teams, and it almost always came down to his R2 Sagat who would nearly always beat the hell out of me in all sorts of retarded ways. I also got beasted on pretty badly by Ken, surprisingly. And A-Groove fucked the hell out of me. For my part, Rolento and Bison did the best that they could. I think my Rolento is better than his, but his is more dangerous thanks to him being far more adept at A-Groove, which meant that he got more chances to do damage. My Bison did okay when he had a lead, but still got shut down pretty badly quite often since, all of a sudden, LK Double Knee Press pressure wasnt as safe as I remember it being. Dunno if I was spacing it wrong or what, but I was getting CCed and Tiger Uppercutted after that thing got blocked regularly, which I don't remember happening before. And Imperial_X claims he was better before. So yeah: CvS2 was a wash out for me. Well done sir.
Guilty Gear XX: The last time I fought anyone good in this was in early 2003,and I only got to play it against high level competition for a month or so. I did... okay in this. I wasted a lot of time early on trying to remember what attacks were placed where and how certain moves came out, plus a lot of unnecessary flailing. When not facing Sol, it was pretty even overall. He has a mean Johnny and Axl. I was annoying with Jam, scrubby with Baiken, and somewhat dangerous with Potemkin. I did okay with Sol, but only as long as I wasn't facing his Sol. His Sol pretty much went on a rampage over mine, and most of my other characters, though there were times it depended on who got the drop on who first. He claims it was even. I'm not so sure; I think had he played with more Sol, I would have won a lot less.
Third Strike: This was the main event, apparently. Overall, I think this was slightly in his favour as well, though again, Imperial_X claims it was equal. I think he was merely being gracious. He had far more vicious beatdowns on me than the other way around (damn ccharacter specific corner cross ups). I managed to hold my own with my circa-2000 tactics, but he was definitely more in tune with the game than I was. More parries, more hit-confirms, etc. He was definitely better at the "Third Strike" part of Third Strike, much of whih also happens to be the part of the game I detest the most and never bothered to get good at. The only reason I managed to get any wins at all is probably due to my greater years of experience. Anyway, my Alex did pretty good, thanks to an old tactic (Elbow Slash -> Stun Gun Headbutt) that I'm surprised he didn't know how to get out of, but I'm sure it won't last. Q did okay at first but Imperial_X managed to catch on and made it really tough to win with Q, which is something that I hadn't experienced in this country before today. My Hugo did okay. Yang, when I brought him out, did okay, Oro didn't do too bad. Actually, with the exception of Urien, all my characters did okay. My Urien was awful. His Urien is much better than mine. I need to practice more unblockable stuff and better combos. His shotos were all really good (blasted c.LK, c.LK -> super). His Dudley seemed to be pretty dangerous, but I didn't fight it that much. His Alex and Hugo were very competant. I wouldn't necessarily say they were better than mine, but I think he did better in same player match ups. I traditionally suck at same player matches since I'm so used to having my characters fight every one else, not themselves.
Overall, I guess I didn't do too bad. Imperial_X was ready for me. It had to happen sooner or later. I couldn't expect the player base in this country to remain shitty and "Ken for life" forever. So I guess it's a good thing that I no longer have to travel to the US to get schooled. I dunno if I'll ever get to be top dog again though, cause I'm too far behind on the current games, and in general I'm getting too old for this shit. It would take more effort than I'm willing to put in. I already got in a lot of trouble with the significant other for coming home late as it was, so there's no telling when I'll be able to play again. *sigh* :p
Once again, well done sir. I salute you. ^_^
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Har. And har, again.
I'll take you on in Marvel vs. Capcom 1 and 2, Ultima. You're about to eat some major crow.
Arrange something with me here: neweraoutlaw@hotmail.com
Maybe so. But we shall see...
That is, assuming we can find working arcade MvC1 and MvC2 machines here. Preferably in a non-ghetto area. Last I checked, I know there was a MvC2 machine in Arima (where I got a bac-to-back 25 and 27 win streaks once upon a time), but I also got silently mugged there. >:|
E-mail has been sent, BTW.
38_CalibuR:
No. Even if I were 100% guaranteed victory, I don't play for money (not counting tournaments, of course).
SABREWOLF3001:
Call me sir and we'll see if we can arrange something like Imperial_X and I did. :p
Though I have to warn all concerned: I was somewhat in the dog house for a while with the wife-to-be for coming back late on Saturday. So I'm not sure exactly when I'll be let out again to play. I am SO whipped. ^_^
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excellent report Ultima.
It would be a shame if the wifey made you hang up your gloves.
Someone of your calibur is a welcome addition to the scene.
Try getting her into Anime or movies and that way she can tag along and be entertained in our internet/anime room for a few hours.
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Only places I know with MVC2 machines are Galactica in Gulf City and the Airport.
Anyways I replied to your email Ultima. Hope to hear from you soon.
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[X]-Baego:
Heh. No, I don't think wifey will make me hang up my gloves or anything. I explained this to her a while back that this is part of who I am. I don't really have any other hobbies, and this one I indulge in very seldomly (the last time I played against someone who challenged me was last year... August I think? Can't remember). So she understands. I just screwed up a bit by coming home a lot later than she was expecting. It didn't help that current went and she was home alone in darkness. So she was a tad pissed when I got home, but we made up quickly. :p
As for getting her interesting in anime.. HELL NO. *I* don't even give a shit about anime any more, far less. I ran an anime FTP when I was in school (400+GB dump site), and after running that for a year and half, I realised that, much like everything else, 90% of anime is shit and I don't watch it any more. I've long since moved onto Japanese drama (the wifey likes this stuff, at least the two that I've shown her so far; that stuff is addicting), and I'm sure tht I'd be sick of that too if I came across it in huge volumes like I did with anime. :|
rb:
Piarco's MvC2 machine hasn't worked in months. I can't remember the last time it was even turned on.
Gulf City (this is in Sando right?) would probably be a better choice.
Reply sent, BTW.
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A bonus blast from the past for those of you who care and have plenty of free time on your hands: Here is my tournament report from the East Coast Championships 4 (featured games: SFA3, SFA2, SF2T, SSF2T, SF3:2I and MvC1), posted on alt.games.sf2 (SRK's predecessor) on June 1st, 1999. Note that this report is LOOOOOOOONG:
http://groups.google.tt/group/alt.games.sf2/msg/2e90ddc66678284c?&q=Ultima+ECC4+report
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I had completely forgotten that the weekend after next is Easter Weekend.
Not only that, but the wife-to-be won't be here! She has to go to Miami to find a dress or something.
Of course, that means that Easter Weekend is go time. ^_^
Note: She was the one who reminded me about the long weekend and the fact that she wouldn't be here. So no, it doesn't look like she'll be forcing me to hang up my gloves any time soon. Yay! :D
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good for you.
More WAR!
yeah, too much of a good thing can be bad, as you mentioned with the anime.
I'm very selective in the titles viewed. Top rated only.
That leaves 90% of the anime out there off my radar.
But there is no shortage of mainstream media to get her hooked on all the same. Regular movies and tv series can be equally entertaining. (As I've recently found out with "LOST")
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wat so abominable about the EX series?
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wat so abominable about the EX series?
I didn't know ghosts make posts.
Anyway, Ultima, good games. I was expecting a more rugged performance in the CvS2 but I guess that's how things turned out that day. There are some 3s players who want to get their shot at you at Tech but I don't know if I'll be able to organize that. Most likely I'll be working this weekend and the one after that.
I'll see you around sometime before I die hopefully.
Dust....
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Yeah, CvS2 was a wash out for me. I was far from my peak (Christ, what happened to my Rugal???), but I was never that great at that game. I stopped playing it seriously before all the roll-cancelling and higher level A-Groove stuff came out. I'd probably need to practice A-Bison to play that game at a higher level, but I can't paint the fence for shit. My manual dexterity isn't good enough. :(
Still, I probably could have done better if I dredged up more from my memory. I seem to remember doing well with a scrubby K-Groove team once. Either that, or (ugh) play Sagat myself. :|
As for the other 3S players, just direct them here or give them my phone number or something. This weekend is out, but next weekend I should be free. Are there any more in your class or do you stomp on them? :p
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oO who is this ultima guy tryin to run things in street fighter in Trinidad? Boy doh even talk bout cvs1 cvs2 3s hyper st Ce any of em games If is real challenge u want ... gotta play me
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You play SF3 now? I gotta see that myself. I'll take a shot at you in the Anniversary Edition seeing as how I only played you in CvS2 and Alpha 3.
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oO who is this ultima guy tryin to run things in street fighter in Trinidad? Boy doh even talk bout cvs1 cvs2 3s hyper st Ce any of em games If is real challenge u want ... gotta play me
But... don't you away from Trinidad? I think my days of travelling really far to play SF are over (last time I travelled for a tournament - indeed, my last real tournament, outside of Revival in Rochester in February 2003 - was March Madness in 2002). I'm even hesitant to go as "far" as Sando...
Where do you play when you come down here anyway? Arcades are getting scarcer all the time. There are still a number in town (POS), like Night Raiders, but they're so ghetto and this place is getting so dangerous that I would be extremely hesitant to venture in them even during the day.
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Chaguanas is where all the GOOD SF players are.. nuff said I am living proof of that lol\
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Ultima,
Prez is undisputed top dog at the moment.
The man to beat. If you're truly looking for a challenge, he will be more than worth the time and effort.
Remember that tournament in St. Maarten I told you about?
He should be there.
So that may prove to be a good middle ground to get in on the action.
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Prez re: Chaguanas:
Is this before or after Corlsort mall's arcade moved down there?
X-Baego:
Imperial-X told me about Prez. But from what he told me, Prez doesn't count as a real "Trini" player because he moved away early o' clock, and it was away that he learned to play. He counts as a foreign player who happens to be from Trinidad. Huge difference. He certainly didn't become a part of Empire Arcadia by playing people down here who still think Ken is is the best character in every single game he's in, just because Ken was good (not even the best) in Turbo.
Besides, I don't need to go to St. Maarten to face him to get beat up. I can do that here now. ;)
I'm still very iffy on that tournament, BTW. Working full time and getting married and all that. I don't even really play any more, except on outings like the last one. We shall see...
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????? What makes u different from me then ultima ? I learn SF in Trinidad my style comes from trini play.. hence US players are confused YES I learned lot out here but my playing style is from Trinidad..
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well you heard it from the man himself Ultima.
What do you have to say for yourself now??
lol
on a more sombre note, it is sad that your blade has been dullened by marriage and work so much so that you may be unable to attend the upcoming tournaments.
From what I've seen you are a strong competitor and would be a great representative on the team. Having both the spirit and the skill.
but I know better than most the rigours of a demanding life (with regards to wife, kids, work, etc...) It can be a real toss up.
Here is hoping you find some way to work some gaming into that hectic schedule.
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The console battles continued yesterday, with N.E.O, RB, Imperial, Sheppard, Akuma and Ultima waging war.
Pity I missed most of the confrontations but from all reports, it was fierce.
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Prez:
Hmm. Imperial told me you moved away when you were 8 or something. If that's not the case, then I've been misinformed.
As for me, I spent the first 5 years playing here (1991-1996), getting my ass washed by better players for years in WW/CE/HF before I finally started become decent at the game and started winning. I didn't become "good" until I went away and saw what actual good players were like and learned from them (were you around for alt.games.sf2?). But I got my basics here. Walking from school to Long Circular Mall and then to Green Corner & Fun House and all that. Didn't used to go to Corlsort Mall too much back then (too far).
There is no such thing as a "Trini" style of play. At least not a good one. Don't forget: There are STILL areas here where you're likely to get jacked if you use "kick n' throw" (tick throws) in HF. And now that I've come across some players who are actually decent at the modern games (i.e. anything post-SF2), it's still not a real "Trini" style- it's just stuff that's XCOPYed from the US and/or Japan, because that's the stuff that works. There's nothing wrong with that (and really, it should have happened years ago), but you can't call it "Trini-style" when everyone else is doing it.
Baego:
I'm not married yet. :p
But yeah, it's a big time committment, this relationship thing (I didn't have to deal with that back when I attending tournaments! Dateless wonder, LOL). I also have studying for certification exams. I can make time to play at places like Tech occasionally, but that's about it. I almost have no time to practice by myself. The only times I've played fighting games in the past year are the two times in the past few weeks I was by Tech and when that guy Chris (Akuma?) challenged me at Town Centre Mall last year... August? :|
Besides, a I said on Saturday, I'm not sure if my spirit/intestinal fortitude is up to the task of playing at such a level constantly any more. That's not due to impending marriage/work, that's just due to age and being out of the loop for so long (then again, if Duc can make a come back after 5 years...). :p
Anyway, we'll see about the upcoming tournaments. Keep me informed...
My report is coming up next.
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Here's my report, written Saturday night when I went home:
Ultima vs. G.A.T.T.
I played against a bunch of folks from the Gamers Association of Trinidad and Tobago today. FOR NINE HOURS. These youngsters are trying to kill me or something. I'm way too old to be playing for long sessions like that. But despite the fact that it left me drained, it was all good.
I initially met up with Ryan "New Era Outlaw" Rodriguez around 12:40 pm. He wanted to play me in Marvel vs. Capcom 2. When we first showed up, it was a ghost town, with only us and maybe one or two other guys playing on PCs. by The time 4:00 PM rolled around, though, a squad of fellas showed up, several of whom wanted to play me at various games. Apparently they were sent by Imperial X, who showed up himself later on. So I got a good variety of games against a good bunch of people. Everyone wanted a piece of me. :p
Marvel vs. Capcom 2: This was the game I spent the most time on. New Era Outlaw and I played this for about three hours straight, and we covered some 60+ matches. I think I won about 65% of those matches. N.E.O. (LOL!) is actually a lot better than I was expecting, and is dangerous with all sorts of random characters like M.Bison and Wolverine, many of whom I had barely seen played in the game. However, he would be much much more dangerous if he played with and stuck to better characters. His favouring Megaman characters didn't help his win ratio. He beat me about 3 times in a row to start off with while my Mags/Sentinel warmed up, but after a while, some shades of my old "fucking annoying Magneto" started to surface, and I began to win more and more. I mostly played a team of Mags/Sentinel/other (other rotating between Psylocke, Tronne, Captain Commando and B.B.Hood; B.B.Hood had a pretty good day, actually), with some occasional Doom/Blackheart/Sentinel and some random shit teams like Psylocke/Captain America/Tronne and Cammy/Psylocke/Tronne. He played a much greater variety of characters, alternating low and mid tiers with top tiers like Doom, Blackheart and Sentinel, showing his greater knowlegde of the game in general. Had he stuck to better characters, his win ratio would probably have been higher, cause he's definitely got the skills. He needs a little more experience on when to call and when to not call assists though. I messed him up a good number of times because he kept calling at the wrong time, and I would punish both his main character and the assist simultaneously.
N.E.O. hates the timer. Can't say I blame him, but unfortunately, that's what MvC2 is about.
Not much of note really happened, though there was one time when Blackheart mysteriously vanished from the fight. I mean, we were just fighting normally, time was running out, and BH had been part of his team, and I was expecting to have to deal with him at the end, only to find that he wa gone! I must have killed him at some point while was an assist, but neither of us remember that happening. Very strange.
This was my first time with the PS2 version of MvC2. It held up pretty well. I did notice some slightly longer load times, and some slowdown at times, though thankfully they seemed to be confined to after the matches themselves were done. There were also a few weird sound glitches, where the sound would get louder for no apparent reason. N.E.O. said those only occurred in the burned versions of MvC2, but it seemed to affect the original copy as well. Even so, it seemed like a very competant translation, and I'm kinda sorry I didn't pick up a copy when I had the chance.
Man, I had forgotten how exhausting MvC2 is. The matches with New Era Outlaw left me drained physically and mentally. There were no easy matches. Every match required a tremendous amount of mental concentration as well as physical exertion. My fingers haven't had to fly that fast in a long time.
As I said, had he played with better characters more often (More Blackheart, less Roll), it would have been a lot closer.
Later on, when I couldn't take it any more, I went to get some food from Kamwah. I can't go for 8 hours playing games without eating any more. While I was gone, N.E.O. played one of the other guys who had shown up (RB) in MvC2. RbB has potential, what with playing very dangerous teams like Magento/Storm/Psylocke and Mags/Sentinel/Psylocke, and I saw him trying for Mags' infinite and Storm triangle jumping, but N.E.O. beat him down pretty solidly. RB needs more practice. Once he gets that infinite down, he'll be very, very dangerous.
Third Strike: Some of the guys that showed up wanted to play me in 3S. At least two of them (Chris/Akuma and Sheppard) are fellas I have fought and beaten before. In fact, Akuma was a guy who challenged me last year in Town Centre Mall, where he put up a good fight but he wasn't quite ready for me then back then. He was certainly ready now, though, since he's obviously been playing the game steadily, while I have not, and I think he beat me something like 8-3 overall. We didn't play that much for some reason. Nasty Dudley and Ken. He also surprised me by getting out of my Slash Elbow -> Stun gun Headbutt with Hugo, who I could have sworn could not get out of that. He got out of it with both Shootdown Backbreaker (must use the LK version apparently) and Megaton Press (ditto). However, if I change the version of the SGH, apparently I can still snag him, it seems. So it's back to being a mind game instead of something guaranteed. Anyway, I'm glad for him. I don't think he's satisfied yet, though. He probably needs to beat me another 15 or so times before he thinks we're even. :p
I also played RB and N.E.O. in 3S. New Era Outlaw is a bit new to the game, but still fought pretty well. RB had a dangerous Deijin Ryu and Makoto. I think I won most of my matches, sticking to my usual assortment of Hugo, Oro, Alex, Q, Yang, and my embarrassingly bad Urien, but at this point I can't remember. I really didn't play that much 3S today, and I can't say that I'm disappointed. I don't particularly like that game.
Capcom vs. SNK 2: I don't know if I should count this, as it wasn't that serious. One of the guys who I used to play in Town Centre Mall (sorry, don't know this kid's name) begged me to play him in this. He had a rough time at first since the controller he a using wasn't that good, but he did a little better later on when he got a replacement. However, he wasn't that good then, and he's still not that good now. He had some okay ideas with running Guile backhand, but we played under some messed up conditions which were almost entirely in his favour: 3 on 3 instead of ratio mode, and on max speed. He also played a lot of EX2 groove, which had, among other things, C-Groove's super meter, running, chain combos and super cancelling on. Yeah. I lost a couple times, but I don't particularly care.
I also Sheppard, one of the guys I played in Town Centre Mall who apparently is now a boss at Third Strike. Pretty good N-Ryu. He seemed a bit rusty though. I also got the impression he didn't care for the game much. Neither do I, as a matter of fact. Next time, I'll play him (and probably get stomped) in 3S.
During CvS2, both my arms started to cramp up severely, leaving in in intense pain. Wow. I can't remember I had such awful cramps. And in both arms no less! I don't think that's ever happened before. I really am getting too old for this shit.
Guilty Gear XX: I actually ended up playing quite a lot of this. At first I played RB, who didn't do so well, but that's because he plays #R, not plain vanilla XX. So those wins don't really count. Maybe we'll learn GGXX Slash together, though his schedule is pretty incongruous to mine (only free on Tuesdays and Sundays, blah). I also played Sheppard a bit. I think he's still new to the game and is still learning it. It might not make sense to learn XX at this stage, since XX Slash is out now.
Later on, after I got finished with CvS2, Imperial X got tired of beating up people on Tekken 5, and he came over to play me. I would end up playing him for nearly two hours. I did a bit better this time compared to last time. I actually played the game this time and was setting up tactics and counters and hitting my combos, as opposed to just hammering on buttons like last time. I still got whomped on by Sol, but at least I frustrated the hell out of him with Potemkin this time. My Sol and Dizzy didn't do too bad either (I'm still not so good at Sol vs. Sol, but I did better this time), but it was Potemkin who did the most damage. He still got beat on pretty badly, especially by Sol, but he also got some good streaks, especially if he wasn't facing Sol. And even then, I forced Imperial to change his attack patterns a couple times and forced him to think a lot more. I still had to work about three times as hard for my wins though. Sol being able to do random running Hard Slash Volcanic Viper to Dust loop from mid screen for 50%+ damage is total bullshit.
Anyway, by the time all was said and done, it was 9:40 pm, I was exhausted, hungry and thirsty like hell. But oh man, it was worth it. I haven't had a good playing session like this in a LOOOOG time. Last time with Imperial was marred by the fact that my mom and my fiancee were panicking when they couldn't get a hold of me (cell phone got swithed off by accident), and I ended up in the dog house briefly because of it. There was nothing like that this time, since I made sure to call mom about halfway through and told her that everything was alright and that I'd be coming in late. So it was all good. I dunno when next I'll be back though.
N.E.O. wants revenge. I think this weekend might be out, but I'll see about the weekend after that.
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Awesome report!
now I'm even more pissed that I missed out on the action.
mcmcmcmc
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WTF!??? no Trini style of play.. you sooo dont know what u talking bout.. I left trinidad 6 years ago.. I been winning tourny in chaguanas and ariima back in the day.... I wish I was in Trini now if we play in the arcade Ill prob beat you with 1 hand .. when I was living in Trini .. players were lacking information.. didnt have internet cafe and stuff.. so only now trinidad is getting better cuz of vids and what not .. so living out here seeing for myself Ive soaked up lots and added it to what I know FROM TRINIDAD!
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wow the tension is amazing..
O_O..
ultima plays with q intresting..
anyhow nice to see it went off that day..
and keep your temper down ultim and prez ..leave the joysticks to the fighting ^_^
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Hey, I'm not mad.
Prez:
You're right. You probably would beat me, though perhaps not with one hand (unless you're the "one-handed terror from Tuscon", but I doubt it). If you've been playing steadily all that time, especially if you've been competing, then of course I can't match that. I stopped playing seriously back in 2001 (my last real tournament was March Madness 2002, and I was definintely on my way down at that point), and furthermore, I was hours away from really high level players. I had my crew in Rochester, who were decent, but nothing like CTF level. And I have barely played against anyone since, not counting the last few times at Tech. So yeah, you will probably beat me, and very badly no doubt, though it doesn't prove anything.
What I will say, though, is that there's nothing you'll beat me with that is likely to be new. Beat me down with Ken in 3S. Or Mags/Sentinel/Psylocke in MvC2. Or V-Sakura in A3. Or A-Vega/Bison/Blanka or whatever in CvS2. Whatever it is, you're likely to be using tactics that I've seen already by other good/better players. There's nothing wrong with that, but you can't call it Trini-style. I've seen Trini players. I've seen good Trini players even and, as far as I've seen, the good ones are just using stuff they learned from the 'net. As you said, Trini players were lacking information (so was every else before SRK - I was around for SRK's predecessor, alt.games.sf2, which I now suspect you've never heard of) before, so many players who thought they were good weren't all that great. I've come across some actual good players now, but they're good because they're using what other good players are doing/did before them. And as I said, there's nothing wrong with this. Hell, it's the only reason why I'm anything appraoching "good" now - my only claim to fame is using and winning with Bison in HF.
You left six years ago, you say? How old ard you, if you don't mind me asking? I may have to rectify my earlier statement about you not being a true Trini player (but again, if you're winning against good competition, it's highly unlikely to be a real "Trini" style - more than likely). But then again, you were winning tournaments in in Chaguanus and Arima back in the day in what, exactly? You certainly didn't learn games like CvS2 here.
Kaizen:
Actually, my Q is rubbish. That's why I use him as a litmus test for 3S.
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darn :(
i taught they was another q lovn guy beside me
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Oh no. I like Q, depite hi arsenal of shitty normals, which is why I play him. I just don't have any lofty delusions about my playing him. Or anyone else in 3S, for that matter.
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lol 3s isnt that bad..
still to prove that q is a god >_<
/me still gettin ass whoped from pc
bleh hope i could make it to one of these things soon
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I've been into news groups and mailing lists for aeons but I must admit, personally frowned on using the net to further my gaming prowess.
Wanted to earn my own hat you know.....call it an ego thing.
Way pass that now. I respect a man wanting to play a game for two years to learn it the "hard way" but with the internet, you can get all that info at your finger tips in a week.
Talk about the power of google.
Invest some time in researching online and improve your game over night. Natural talant and skill still count but that research can bring you up to speed....fast.
That's the new strat and like you said....ain't nothing wrong with that.
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Baego:
It's not even new. People have been doing it since 1992, pretty much.
Back in the early days, what would happen is that player groups from all over the place would post their particular strats in newsgroups (mainly alt.games.sf2). Sometimes they agreed, but most of the time they didn't. There were lots of arguments and flame wars, most of which were only settled when the groups finally played face-to-face. Then it was proven the superiority of one group's tactics over another. Multiply this process over the course of several years, and you get several years worth of useful info, already taken as common knowledge. Also, because several of these groups were fiercely competitive, both with each other and within themselves, they rose to a higher level much, much faster than they would have otherwise. Thus, they would learn more in a few days that a regular player would learn in months or even years.
Players who came into this later on (like me) would read the group, and get the distilled knowledge of other, better players. These players would take these advanced strats that only the people reading the newsgroup (which prior to 2000 couldn't have been more than a couple hundred) and use them to dominate their local competition. The effect of bringing these advanced tactics into their environments would either result in one player crushing everybody and/or forcing the entire community to get better to compete with the new local god player (which one happened really depended on the player community). The new group of good players who rose from this would eventually move on to attend tournaments, and some would even migrate to the top or near the top of the food chain.
This is pretty much the only way that players who didn't live in SF "hotspots" have gotten good at the games over the past 15 years. NO ONE ever got good at a game in isolation. Akira kid does not exist. If you didn't live in an area where players played constantly and challenged each other constantly and strove to improve constantly, you eventually reached a point where one player would just crush everyone naturally and people would stop playing or stagnate. That, or new games would come in that players didn't take interest in, eventually causing the whole scene to eventually die out or become stagnant.
Up until recently, I would have said that this is what happened to Trinidad. As recently as 2003, I had been seeing the same tactics everywhere that I went (assuming I saw tactics at all, in any game post-SF2) that I had been seeing since 1997. Not that there weren't any good players around, just that they weren't using tactics and/or characters in ways that I knew that they could have been used. Even when I demonstrated a few things (those within my ability to demontrate), no one seemed to pick up on them. I'm glad that Trinis have finally started using the technology at their disposal. They didn't have to go digging for info like I did nearly 10 years ago. Sites like SRK have made it pretty damn easy to find high level info on just about game out there.
Gah. I'm rambling. I'll stop now. -_-
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heh... u really have to see chaguanas style of play I won mnay HF tourneyz in TnT when I came out here I learned cvs1 and WON march madness in philly.. J wong sanford arturo all were there.. only player to use ryu + ken also they were all freaked out by it... TnT players I know I play SF with back in the day ALL PATIENT players..every 1 scared to make a mistake just so you dont lose ya coin... I came here with that attidude and it worked for me.. and only reason I dominated em in Trini is cuz of shit they never seen.. lol I took a groove they all thought it was shit hahaha but they all know Im down to represent trini to tha fullest and I know they got my back.. yuh don know! laterz check this out http://www.empirearcadia.com/community/com-021.htm
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Hah. Just yesterday I was talking to some real old school guy who claims that, at one time, he was the second best player in Trinidad (second to Kitt I imagine, though Kitt is LOOOOOONG since retired) who was talking about the old days, of Corlsort Mall/Town vs. Arima. Nothing about Chaguanus. ;)
when I came out here I learned cvs1 and WON march madness in philly
Emphasis mine. You learned CvS and any follow up games up there, which is pretty much my point. You're lucky in that you obvious had some good players to play against. Most of us are not so fortunate. Had you remained here, you might have been top dog at newer games here, and you would have been meat to anyone who was good from away.
I thought no one took CvS1 seriously.
HF is the one game that Trinis as a whole are decent to good at. Though to be honest, I don't know Trinis at their peak compares to the HF players at their peak, since I've never seen the US folks at their peak. They stopped playing that years ago. I have a feeling their best players (Jeff Schafer, Mike Watson, and the legendary Tomo Ohira) woud have stomped our best. The prevailing attitude of "no kick n' throw" would definitely have been a drawback, I think. I can't prove it though.
TnT players I know I play SF with back in the day ALL PATIENT players..every 1 scared to make a mistake just so you dont lose ya coin... I came here with that attidude and it worked for me..
I don't see how that's different to most good players I've come across. Well, some really offensive bastards can overwhelm you with force, like Alex Valle, but it depends on the game (even Valle had to run away in 2I with Akuma when facing Eddie Lee's Ibuki).
and only reason I dominated em in Trini is cuz of shit they never seen..
Is this before or after you left? I'm thinking afterwards. Anyway, the same applies here, for the most part. That, and the fact that, prior to doing research on the net, Trinis learn stuff slooooowly.
By the way, is that link supposed to prove anything? In one of the pictures it refers to you as "Leader of Empire Arcadia Canada". That's pretty telling right there, and very much proves what I've been saying. You were good here, one of the best. Then you went away, and honed your skills in a suitable place and became even better. By doing do, so, you became a product of that environment, not this one. Had you not gone away, and had you not bothered to do research on the newer games, you would have been just been another target to anyone who came back from away with more knowledge/experience. Though I don't doubt you would have adapted, eventually, given sufficient time. But realise that your current level of dominance is due to being a product of your current non-Trini environment, and probably has very little to do with where you came from (not just because none of the games that are played now were not around back then, but even on games that were, Trinis either didn't have access to high level knowledge or didn't go looking for it at the time; this is definitely only a recent phenomenon).
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BTW Prez, does this sound familiar?
2nd of all, Prez, you shouldn't be even TALKING about winning ECC7, trying to portray yourself as "sportsmanlike." cuz IIRC, all you did was bang the buttons, break the button TWICE against Justin and myself when we were both OWNING you for FREE, and then while the buttons are being repaired you go over to your crew and start getting coached (or whatever you were doing,) and then proceed to beat us.
You should also know that Phi implemented a rule just cuz of that situation last year, if you bang the buttons like that you will be disqualified.
Don't mind me, just LOLing at old drama. I seem to vaguely, vaguely remember reading about this, but I was so out of the loop at this point, I didn't even know who the people involved were (nor did I especially care). Well, I know Arturo - hell, I know Arturo back from when he used to suck (relatively), but I didn't know these other folks.
I think I saw you at March Madness 2002. Were you there along with that contingent of Canadians?
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i actually remember that thread O_O
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That quote brought me back to my dark ages with SRK so to speak.
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I see that my challenge post got re-posted elsewhere (got a call on my phone on Wednesday about it):
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well this is somewhat off topic but on srk's front page they inform the public that they are offering the EVO 2005 dvds for download FREE of charge. They do ask however if you enjoy it that you donate 10$ US to them to cover the production costs. Presently only the 3rd Strike DVD is up as it was the most popular game @ EVO last year.
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I don't have a pay pal account.
So is anyone down for this Saturday? I need to get a hair cut, but I should be able to swing by Tech for a while. Definitely have to be out of there by 6:00 pm, though, or the mrs. will get mad.
RB, I need to get my hands on Slash, even though I hear the home version is a bit buggy. I also need to get my hands on Tenka. How much does it cost to get a PS2 modded?
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once your ps2 isn't in the version 1 - 3 bracket (has 10 screws at the bottom) it can be modded. We charge $700 and give 4 games + one months warranty on the modification.
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Hmm. Not sure what version my PS2 is. I got it back in late 2001 (won it in a raffle! I paid ONE DOLLAR (US) for it! MWA HA HA HA). You need to tell me where your work place is.
So... anybody showing up at Tech tomorrow? Someone give me a call if they're interested. I'll try to be there by 2:00 pm or so with my stuff. I won't be able to stay past 6:30 PM or so, though. NOw that the future Mrs. is back, I can't be out until nearly 10:00 PM like last time. :p
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Well you could check behind the ps2 to see if you see 30001 anywhere, also check the underneath of the system to see how many screws it has (its covered up by the square things).
My work place is on the main road in Montrose, Chaguanas. 671-9644/ 9327 if you need better directions.
If you wanna ask for me ask for Riyadh.
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Hmmm. I still need to check my PS2. I've had it in my bag for 3 weeks now. :p
New_Era_Outlaw and I are supposed to be meeting tomorrow by Tech for a rematch. I should be there from noon(?) to 6:00 pm or so, so if anyone else wants to show up and face me, feel free. N.E.O. get first dibs in MvC2 though, so if you come early you may have to wait. :p
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only straight street fighter or are yall gonna sweat hybrids as well....
ne cap vs snk 2 in that mix?
i dont play mvc2 <-- 2 lame / no structure / more for button smashing lol
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"Street Fighter" generally refers to SF2 (Hyper SF2), Third Strike, CvS2, MvC2, etc. Anything with Street FIghter characters in it really, though I do play the Marvel games. But not the EX games.
And only scrubs still call MvC2 "lame". MvC2 is not without its problems, but it's vastly superior to its predecessors. The only other Marvel game that is any good is Marvel Superheroes.
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Oh yeah: I play Guilty Gear XX as well. I'd play #R and Slash as well, but I don't have those games myself (yet).
I would actually like to play some Samurai Shodown Tenka as well.
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I should be in for the activities most likely but I have a tournament to attend first that'll finish sometime after who the hell knows.
I owe my friend Ultima some Anniversary Edition matches.
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Samurai Tenka sounds good to me.
Do you have it on PS2?
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I don't have Tenka. Looking to pick that up and GGXXSlash soon.
I got stood up by N.E.O. yesterday. What gives? :(
I played Imperial and some guys and CvS2 and HSF mostly. NOthing to note, except that I'm embarassingly bad at CvS2, as proven by an off-kilter Imperial still waxing me with little effort. I wanted to play MvC2 and GGXX, and got to play neither. :(
Note to rb:
I finally checked: My PS2 is a 30001 model.
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Awww...CRAP.
Yesterday, I had to see about some business concerning my tournament (namely, inviting like a million people and confirming things with my suppliers and whatnot), and it occupied my time like WOW. Sorry about that, Ultima.
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I got there a bit late myself, around 6:30 PM. Horrible traffic coming out of diego martin, talking about 2 hours+ in grid lock.
Forced me to head over Paramin, into Maraval just to get to Port of Spain.
Some dump trunk turned over on the high way I later came to understand.
Got in a little Tekken but there were too many people and too few controllers. As luck would have it, our PS2 just returned from JK Entertainment and I picked up Tenka as well so next time we will have an extra console and controllers to spread out the beatings.
lihixxxxxxxxxxxxxxx!!
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Ultima vs. Jdcrys_Shinkuu
I played games for several hours on Saturday and Sunday. As a result, it left me drained and dehydrated. I am thus never doing this again (i.e. playing games on consecutive days). I am officially too old for this.
Saturday
Saturday was an outing by Tech. I got there around 12:45 PM. I was supposed to meet New Era Outlaw for a rematch, but he no-showed. He called me at 8:00 AM (!!!) on Sunday morning to apologise (note to Ryan - WTF horse? No one should even be awake at that hour on a Sunday, far less calling anyone else). Something about some tournament (?) he was organizing. I dunno. I was half-asleep at the time. Anyway, since N.E.O. no showed, I ended up playing a bunch of random shlubs at Third Strike (ugh) and CvS2 (bleh) who were no good at either game for a while. Imperial-X eventually showed up around 3:15 PM or so, and I played him at CvS2 and Hyper SF.
I'm seriously going to have to give up on CvS2, because even though he was off his game, I still couldn't win a single match against Imperial. I'm embarrassingly bad at that game. I don't know move ranges or what gives frame advantage, I can't do links, I don't do RCs, and I can't use CCs. Why am I even playing this game? I have neither the time, the interest, or the will to get better in it. I did better in HSF. Because, y'know, Bison kills things. Especially CE Bison, who is retarded. I did okay with some other characters (Zangief, Vega, CE Sagat), not so okay with others (Balrog, any non-CE Sagat, any shoto, any New Stereotype).
Still, I was kinda disappointed because I wanted to play MvC2 and GGXX, but I don't own MvC2, and Imperial didn't want to play GGXX cause he mashed up his left hand with excessive masturbation or something. ^_^ That's why I left there on the dot of 6:00 pm, which is when I wanted to leave. It's very rare for me to actually leave at a time that I say I'm going to leave at, cause if the sweat is good, I'll stay for as long as it takes.
Sunday
On Sunday I was to meet Jdcrys_Shinkuu (henceforht JD) at Trinicity Mall to play MvC1. I didn't evben know Trincity's arcade was open on a Sunday. I got there around 2:40 PM. There were quite a few people at Trincity's arcade on Sunday. Not a huge crowd, but a number of people playing random games. I saw nothing but children and scrubs playing MvC1, so I guess JD hadn't showed up yet. I hadn't eaten lunch, so I went by Burger King to get some food, but they blanked me when I tried to get a whopper. Something about how their burners were now turned on and it would take 45 minutes to get a burger. WTF. OKay, fine. I figured I'd go back and play some XSF and practice some infinites or something.
It was when I went to get coins that I got a huge shock: TWO FOAKING DOLLARS FOR A TOKEN??? ARE YOU FOAKING KDDING ME??? Jesus H. Christ, that's highway robbery. The last time I was in there it was $1.50 for a token, which was still too high.
Anyway, after overcoming my initial shock and purchasing 3 coins, my attenion got diverted by a guy playing Super Turbo with Guile. He was doing okay, but when he was about to lose to CPU Ken, I jumped in and saved him. It was then that I learned, much to my astonishment, that this was actually an arcade version of Hyper Street Fighter. I don't how such a thing found it's way down here, but I was grateful.
I wasn't sure whether to use CE Bison of ST Bison. I wavered a bit, then decided to go with CE Bison since he was easier to fight the CPU with, and the guy was going to lose regardless, so it didn't matter if he got raped with stick or raped with a flagpole - he was still going to get raped. CE Bison dished up Guile pretty quickly. He came back with some random characters, like ST Vega, WW Guile and Akuma. CE Bison just steamrolled right over them, even Akuma, which is proof positive that the guy sucked. CE Bison may be incredibly and retardedly powerful, but even he doesn't win against Akuma. I told him to stop playing WW Guile and pick CE Guile, if you want all the retarded priority, recovery, damage and dizzying power of WW Guile minus the handicaps. He actually beat me with CE Guile somehow. I didn't care. I came back with ST Bison for a still-powerful-but-not-retardly-strong Bison, and beat him a couple more times before he gave up. I played the CPU a bit and lost to Fei Long. I kinda forgot how to fight CPU Fei Long. Whatever.
JD still hadn't show as yet. To pass the time, I got into an argument with some guy who was played HSF a little while after I lost to Fei Long. He wa playing Dee Jay. Seemed to know how to handle the CPU pretty well. BUt he made some outrageous claims, much of which seemed to stem from the fact that he was beating the CPU somewhat easily with Dee Jay. Stuff like how the game was "flat" and "had no depth". He also simultaneously praised the EX games, seemingly based on the notion that EX has bigger combos. I had to restrain myself from slapping him for his ignorance. The EX games may be hot shit down here, but in places like Japan or the US where Street Fighter is still taken seriously and big tournaments are still played, NOBODY plays the EX series. You have never and will never see an EX game at an East Coast Championships, Mid-West Championships, March Madness, Evolution, etc. He also claimed that "there was no site for Street Fighter", which meant that he hadn't heard of SRK, which probably meant he was completely clueless about what real high-level Street Fighter is like. He also claimed that his Ken in HSF was "unbeatable", which was really hilarious to anyone who's played me in that game, and that Ken and Ryu were the best in the game, which was even more hilarious. Had JD not shown up a few minutes later, I would have probably taken the time to embarass him with some flavour of Bison in the game. But on the other hand, he probably wasn't worth the effort.
So JD showed up and we went straight to MvC1. I think he started with Striderine, and I picked Captain America and Hulk to feel him out. No point bringing out the good characters just yet. His team was way better than mine, but I rolled right over him. He picked some other characters, but aside from one close match (HUlk was close to death, but I killed one character, and then killed his second character, who had about 40% life left, when he came in by doing dashing c.LK -> c.HP, Gamma Crush. I can't believe that anyone STILL falls for that, but oh well). I handled them pretty easily. Then he brought out War Machine/Gold Warmachine (a.k.a. Double War Machine or DWM), which is apparently "his team". . Five games in, and it's already degenerated into the the worst that the game has to offer. >:|
For those of you who don't know, DWM is hands down the best team in MvC1. I don't care what any of you think you might know about the game, this team CANNOT be beaten. It has NO real counters. The only counter to DWM is DWM, which is no counter at all. Individually, WM and GWM have some weaknesses, but together they pretty much unstoppable. They get a guranteed 40% damage minimum during the Variable Crossover mode (a.k.a. Team Cheating), and can easily inflict 100-180% damage. Sure, there are things you can try and do (use Captain Commando's Captain Sword to kill all the missiles and hit them both during Team Cheating, use Chun-li's Kikkosho to snag them both during Team Cheating, use Captain America's Hyper Charging Star to try and slam into them both), but none of it works reliably, and it's still way WAY in their favour. It takes an enormous amount of work and/or a massive skill imbalance to defeat DWM without DWM. So losing to that team proves nothing. This is also why no one seriously plays MvC1 in tournaments any more. If Eddie Lee couldn't do it, whose is me?
As it is, my record for the day was roughly (roughly, I wasn't really keeping track) as follows:
Against non-DWM team: About 25-8
Against DWM: About 3-20
I had a good few mini-streaks myself. Cap/Hulk, Strider/WM, Strider/GWM, and Strider/Gief all had some runs. The biggest came from Strider/WM, which got me 10 wins. It was mostly a back and forth between JD and myself and some other guy who jumped in He managed to beat us a couple times, and he wasn't bad with Captain Commando, but he usually got rolled right over from either his DWM, my Strider/WM, or just plain Strider with Ouroboros x N. JD got the final streak with DWM, and after throwing away a couple matches (I tried Hyper Venom in vain a number of times, as well as messed up a couple times trying to get Hyper Venom/Gold War Machine, and ended up with plain Spiderman), I decided to give up. I wanted to get out of there by 5:00 PM for the latest cause I had to go home and train, and it was nearing that time. Beating JD's DWM again would have required far too much energy and luck to accomplish, and it really wouldn't have been worth it.
At exactly 5:00 PM, I left the arcade, went by Burgerking to get a whopper that I should have gotten two hours prior, a large orange juice by subway, and left. I don't think I'll be back for a loooong time. Not only is MvC1 barely worth playing, and certainly not worth trying to beat DWM repeatedly, but it's definitely not worth spending TWO DOLLARS A COIN on. >:|
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Dude first of WOW thats a massive read!!!
you have only 12 wins on me n 13 on my friend yea he plays well enough but his combos should be tighter
the DWM combo teams pwned your hulk mostly cause hes too slow n GWM is just a b@d @$$ lol
but seriously there are counters to the team n there are players who have beaten this team on more than one occasion....Chaotic , Kajun , Rio, Neo. these are my main rivals and the only ones who are of serious competition.....we play every week. and compare.......
i thought you were going to be bussing my @$$ so i brought out my main team.... you did very well though
you were able to repel wolv n chunli amongst others <---- kudos to u
and btw my DWM team was not at its best i have not played in about a month n my combos were weak. but yes i do agree that they pack a hell of a punch.!!!
as for my teams i got a 4 wins without DWM on you n average 7 on the other guy
and 28 with DWM on you n 9 more on the other guy
so in all
Jd vs Ultima
32 vs 12
Jd Vs Other Guy
16 vs 4
Ultima Vs Other Guy
13 vs 3
so otherguy got 7 wins for the day
you had 25
i had 48....
good game by all it was fun, you even taught me a really omfg trick very interesting......
i admire your skills now you must FEAR mines....
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*reads his own post* and understands...
JD:
YOu haven't played in a month? I haven't played in years sir. Last time I even touched GWM was in 2003. And My playing peak was back in 1999, so...
I played the other guy that much? I thought it was mostly just you and me. As I said, I wasn't keeping track. And we really played 73 matches in 2 1/2 hours??? Christ. That doesn't sound right, but I'll take your word for it. o_O
Wait, I just checked: I got coins in groups of 3,3,3,3,5 and 5. The first two were spent on HSF. That leaves 29 coins for MvC2. How did I get 32 losses to you alone? And since my first 4 wins came at the beginning, I can't believe I only managed to get 8 more wins for the rest of the day from you. You played more random teams against me than that, surely. That definitely ain't sounding right. :|
And my statement still stands. Perhaps you have players who are used to you, and hence have gotten used to your playing style, but DWM is an unbeatable team, given players of roughly equal levels of skill. It doesn't matter if you manage to beat the time "occasionally", since almost anyone will ose "occasionally". When stuff is one the line, like under tournament settings, DWM kills everybody. You'd have to scan through old postings on Google news on alt.games.sf2 to find much MvC1 discussion (Shoryuken.com virtually started with MvC2, by which time MvC1 was long dead, so there's little MvC discussion on it; any that is there either got wiped out years ago whentheir boards were wiped accidentally, or is impossible to find thanks to the shitty search function). Look up the results to East Coast Championships 4, the last (or second-to-last) major tournament in the US where MvC1 was played before it was dumped. DWM was and is the end all be all team of that game. That team is what the game degenerates to. If you play on Kalliera, that's ALL that you're going to see (or so I've heard; I can't confirm that one personally). It sucks if that happens to be your favourite team, but that's the way it is. DWM is more powerful in MvC1 than any combination of the best characters is in MvC2.
And to be honest, your DWM is average (Your WM, in particular, needs work - learn and master the flying combo that I told you about, and to fly cancel like I was doing to the other guy. When you can suspend someone at the top of the screen for 40+ hits, let me know. Your GWM was impressive though. :mellow:). I just wasn't in a position to do much about it, though I could have done more. Had I stuck to simply Strider/WM/ Strider/GWM, or (ugh) matched your DWM with my own, it would have been closer. I threw away a lot of games (any game with Hyper Venom, or when I blew the codes.. Christ, I used to know those codes by heart - the others too - and now I've completely forgotten them), stubbornly. I just really didn't want to play with WM or GWM. Even when I was winning, I didn't particularly enjoy it if I had WM or GWM on the team. I felt ill. At this stage, if I'm going to play MvC1, I have more fun dicking around with losers like Cap and Hulk and bother butting my head against the wall that is DWM, or even GWM alone. I did that years ago, and I really don't feel like doing it now. I'll play Strider/X, since Strider is my favourite character in the game, and Strider/Gief is my favourite team (but Gief dies to both WMs for free - you don't even need to jump or fly and do duos, just jump up and down and hit fierce), but that's about it.
If DWM is your favourite team, then hey, that's fine. Don't let me stop you. And I'm not really knocking you for playing that team, even if it sounds like it. But I want you to know that "your team" just happens to be "everybody's team", cause it's the best team in the game. It's like somene saying that Akuma in Super Turbo or Second Impact is "their character" :| It's not that the team is skillless, just that it takes far FAR more effort to beat that team than to play it, and it has no counter except itself. But oh well...
I don't fear Wolvie or Chun, or any of the pixies, especially when I'm with Gief, cause my Gief kills pixies (though Gief DOES fear Chun's ambiguous head stomp air chain). But I only saw you do Wolvie's stomp -> j.HK chain once. What was up with that? Wolvie's entire modus operandi is to do stomp chain x N until it hits. You can optionally go for his near-infinite in the corner (can't remember how it goes, but I've seen someone get 77 hits off of it), but really, you don't need it - just stomp chain x N ending in Fatal Claw or Beserker Barrage X (the latter is safer) will do.
And Hulk sucks. He dies to all sorts of stupid crap. You don't need GWM to beat Hulk. I only play him to see how long I can make him survive. :\
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lol all well n cool im sorry but i may have made an error you are right it was 30 (29 + the one with the trick i counted this as well cause we both sacrificed a player) so these are the standings
Jd vs Ultima
30 vs 12
Jd Vs Other Guy
18 vs 4
Ultima Vs Other Guy
13 vs 3
great info on past tourney n all i intentionally did not resolve to using the stomp combo nor the fastball special combo with wolverine, thatwould have been overkill.....same with Chunli air to super combo n infinite....i was not in the mood for showing off against you i just wanted to win so instead of dicking around with an actual challenge (who is and was noted to do some serious damage in his time) i brought the noise (catch phraseif u will lol)
n as for Wol. Chun being pixies bro nesaturday or sunday well change ur mind
The Shinachi Has Spoken....
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OKay, I have to ask: Is someone editing my posts manually or is there a filter at play? I've been reading phrases in my posts that I did not type. I did not type "*reads his own post* and understands...", I typed "*reads his own posts* W-h-a-t i-s u-p w-i-t-h t-h-e c-u-r-s-e f-i-l-t-e-r?" It's very annoying.
JD:
> i intentionally did not resolve to using the stomp combo nor the fastball special combo with wolverine, thatwould have been overkill.....same with Chunli air to super combo n infinite....
I don't follow. How would these have been "overkill"? That's what you do to win with Wolvie and Chun. :huh:
I understand going for your business team early, but even if you're playing characters who aren't your best, I don't see why you wouldn't try your best to win with them by using everything they had at their disposal.
> n as for Wol. Chun being pixies bro nesaturday or sunday well change ur mind
Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to translate this into english. I have no idea what you're saying here. :(
And c'mon. You're counting the one with the 99 hit double KO trick? That doesn't count! I wasn't even trying to win in that game. I just wanted to show you the fun stuff. I just pressed buttons after it was over. Remember I had to leave right after that. :)
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Okay, apparently someone IS modifying my posts. Shouldn't I be getting some sort of warning when I have new PM messages? I don't check my mail very often.
Well, I guess sorry about that. BUt still... Very annoying... >:/
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Well ya that would be me.....i had to mod ur posts to keep them in line....n if you want a rematch with non DWM teams only that can be arranged for nex sat / sun at ur convenience of course....:P
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Nah, don't worry about non-DWM. I wouldn't try and enforce any kind of "rules" like that. It goes against everything that I stand for. That's the way that MvC goes. I can't say you can't play your best team while I can still play mine. That's not fair. Oh well...
As I said, dunno when I'll be back. Definitely have to study next weekend for my exam the week after. And not at $2 a coin. :angry:
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OMFG!!!
MY EYES ARE LIKE BLEEDING FROM READING THE TWO OF YU TALK!!! jeeeezz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol iam sure both of yu had like english classes back in de day
SUMARISE AN STUFF NAH! WAYYY
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here crixx take some eye drops....
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rofl @ eyes bleeding.
That is pure gaming passion yuh seeing there boy Crixx.
The stuff dreams and tournament winners are made off.
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Crixx:
Don't blame me because of your short attention span. Or that you failed (in the process of failing? Are about to fail?) english.
Besides, the standard response to an enormous post is "tl;dr" (too long; didn't read).
Oh, and "SUMARISE[sic] AN STUFF NAH!" should be "SUMMARY PLZ". :)
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Crixxx like you want a match?!
I Know it was d best challenge ive had ina while so pardon d "lenghty" posts!!! lol
but no cene doh worry nah ultima i go get more teams
that are just as good....
i have not opened up the bag of goodies just yet....
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Crixx:
Don't blame me because of your short attention span. Or that you failed (in the process of failing? Are about to fail?) english.
Besides, the standard response to an enormous post is "tl;dr" (too long; didn't read).
Oh, and "SUMARISE[sic] AN STUFF NAH!" should be "SUMMARY PLZ". :)
Just to lay something on ya, Ultima....that's just the way Crixx is. Can't go telling the guy how he should and shouldn't post (unless he's breaking the rules blatantly.) Especially since he's a mod around these parts, in which case, you should really watch it.
And JD, what bag of goodies would that be? Is it the one where Megaman and Roll leap out of the bag and start beating your War Machines with enough Snickers and Milky Ways to feed an army?
Candy-no-jutsu iymc. :P
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Actually its a Mega Roll KEBAB lol rotfl
Muhuhahahahaha
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Okay my Mortal Kombat statement was outta timing but.....seriously what about a Street Fighter Alpha 3 challenge....this was by far in my watch...I welcome any challengers
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On arcade console / PC Emulator??
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Okay my Mortal Kombat statement was outta timing but.....seriously what about a Street Fighter Alpha 3 challenge....this was by far in my watch...I welcome any challengers
OMG where were you when I was kicking ass in A3 /sigh
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Actually its a Mega Roll KEBAB lol rotfl
Muhuhahahahaha
(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2074/what2on.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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*returns*
Okay, I've been busy with marriage stuff/Real Life™/Kingdom Hearts 2. BUt I'm still around.
Speaking of Alpha 3, I hope to get my hands on Alpha Anthology soon (just as soon as my dad gets back from NY). Who's up for some Alpha 3/HSFA? HSFA looks like a barrel of laughs. And my Alpha skills are hella rusty, but I should still be able to put up a decent fight. (Does anyone here seriously play A1 or A2? Cause you shouldn't).
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I play all alphas
3 is my personal favorite..but 2 was the most challenging...my wrist is still healing from the accident but head to Tech Source in a few weeks we go strand!
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Alpha 3 pwns all the others i think... more options in a fight overall... yea alpha 2 was abit more challenging especially after honing skills on A3... are there ne more arcade console versions of these games? or are they now strictly on emu / home console?
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Lol. Well I suck at A3 I can certainly say. Haven't really learned any of the alhpa series games.
Gave V-ism a try. Interesting stuff. I can't seem to make the conversion from A-groove to VCs though. That blows hard.
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VCs and A-Groove are totally different. TOTALLY different. NOt even in the same ball park, with the possible exception of certain applications (VCing heavy recovery moves, though in A3, it's betterto just VC through the move).
I can't play anybody in V but the scrubby V-characters (V-Mika, V-Vega). I've tried to do BAS stuff with V-Akuma and it breaks my wrist. I'm just not dextrous enough. :(
I should try and get my V-Karin back in respectable shape. Either that, or stick to X-Rolento.
But in HSFA, though, it's gonna be mainly the new ISMs (main CE and DS) and certain A1/2 characters dominating, it looks like.
WHat is this "more challenging" you refer folks to with A2? I don't understand.
JD:
PS2 version of Alpha collection came out recently, with all versions of the Alphas completely intact with bugs and all, save for the ones that freeze or reset the game. I hope to get mine today!
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*as he awakens from his long silent punishment he lays eyes at the journey ahead*
okay............i forgot what ur name is...............listen punk u dealing with some serious players here if u want to challenge some one go back to the arcade if u want to loose badly enough to piss ur pants go home and give up gaming then i await ur challenge peon............................... the dragon king will not fall
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look redeyes oui
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*looks around*
You talking to me? I said, are you talking to me??
lol kool scene Ultima, i shall await your challenge on PS2 console
i dont have one but i have had some gametime on one so i can hold my own...
whenever you are ready bro...
*nudges rb*
Who is Redeyes?
aka somesmallmanoncanabis?
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ahhh...SFEX...i should be installing new joysticks today...who wants a war... :D
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Guilty Geeear Accent Core is in EEEEEEEEEENGLISH MCS
GO GO GO
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Sure... I'm up for an SF Alpha 3 sweat. It's been a long time since I've had an actual challenge so where do I sign?
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wow alpha 3...i haven't played that since st. maarteen, i haven't seen that since then either.
well since fighters seem to be seeing a revival, anyone plays vampire savior ?
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Is that the one with Jedah? I haven't seen that in AGES. I totally pwn with the Dark Wolf and Anakaris. I also play Jedah, Demitri and Victor. If you can find it, I'll gladly slay in it.
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re: Vampire Saviour
I play Jedah, Lilith, MOrrigan, BBHood, Hsien-ko. Not very good mind you. It's not one of my favourites, but I'd play it.
Last I checked, SFA3 is in St. James. I'd be up for some of that as well.
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Since it was added to GGPO I've gotten inside the VS boat still not as good as I was some years ago. It is rather hard to guard cancel from a laptop keyboard :@
Re: Ultima
I've got Vampire Collection for PS2 lying about at home, if you're up for another sweat one of these sundays @ java, I think Imperial would want in some Accent Core as well.
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Count me in on the Alpha 3. Could never get enough of that game.
Where you from Q?
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oh yeah anyone play alpha 2 also ? its my fav alpha :D
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GOD. I liked Alpha 2 a lot... right until my first tournament. Then I swore of the game. >:(
I mean, I'll play it, since I use most of the character okay, but CHRIST! Such a MASSIVE turtlefest! If I pick CHun-li, I'll make you hate the game. She's not my best character, but I know how to abuse her. I can abuse Rose as well, though unlike CHun, I actually like Rose. c.MP x N FTW.
We can play some VS on PS2. The Saturn version is still the best version, but I don't think anyone other than me would be able to break that out (and I'm not even sure if my Saturn still works).
I still have to play IMperial in AC as well. Sunday's my best bet.
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Do attempt this feat of making me hate the game, after playing buktooth's chun a couple times early in ggpo's life, i doubt I'll have a problem with the cheese, not to say i'll win but thats a next story.
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I live in the East but I've got no problem being in St James. I've been there a couple times. It's where Tekno Junkies was. I play Dan, Guy and Gen. Just say the word.
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... Interesting choices. I play Guy and Gen a little myself.
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I play a little Street Fighter Alpha 3 myself. I mainly use the Shotos, but I'm thinking of branching out with Rolento. He should be fun.
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X-Rolento is all about IN YOUR FACE. Also, s.LPxN to annoy your opponent. He's awesome.
I forgot I can play X-Dhalsim as well. And if I REALLY want to go mindless, I'd go with X-Chun *shudders*
I can play most of the characters in A3 to an extent, except the shotos.
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I went by St.James yesterday, and was pleased to see they have arcade Hyper SF2 and Samurai Shodown 0 Special! I only played HSF for the most part because I didn't notice SS0S until I was about ready to leave, but I'm definitely going to have to give that sucker a try. Amakusa and Suija FTW.
Damn those SF2 guys are too good; they even managed to beat my CE Bison. Daryl (aka "TSTT Guy") is just waaaaaaay too good. He beat me down with Dhalsim and CE Vega (who isn't quite as stupid as CE Bison). To tell you how good Daryl is, within the space of a couple rounds, he took away my primary weapon (Hit/blocked Scissors Kick), and beat me in a match up that Bison usually wins handily. If he played in the US, he'd be a world class player, no doubt.
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What time was this? I was in the vicinity yesterday
Would definitely want to see some world class street fighter action in the flesh.
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I've never seen a SF2 fight from the US and I'm pretty much a non-entity in it but from what I've seen, our SF2 players are pretty good. If the TSTT fighter is a tall, dark-skinned guy, I know who he is. He also has a WICKED V-ism Cody in SFZ3.
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Noob:
5:00 to 6:30 PM yesterday. It's leftovers from Colsort Mall. I stopped paying much attention after somebody started playing with Akuma.
Q:
Among all fighting games, I think our Sf2 guys are the closest to the level of US/Japan. Especially at HF. Hell, they would win tournaments at HF right now, since our guy never stopped playing. US players would be have to spend time trying to remember "Crap, how do I deal with this again?". :p
They would likely get hosed by the best players in Super Turbo though. They still play that quite a bit in the US. And don't talk about Japan. We would get crushed because nobody here is used to fighting exceptionally good Chun-lis, Balrogs or Dee Jays. Not to mention out players STILL have a problem with "kick and throw", which the US/JPN guys have perfected and know how to use and avoid. Why are we still stuck with this backwards mentality? *sigh*
Come to think of it, I need to start doing that more with Bison, since s.LK -> Throw is a "combo".
I'm trying to remember... I know Daryl plays V-Cody in A3, but I can't remember how good it actually was when I fought him last. I believe I used to beat him with my X-Rolento. However, that was years ago and this is Daryl, so no doubt he's improved since then. I remember his V-Vega was better than mine, annoyingly enough. >:|
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True... This was years ago in Knight Raiders on Charlotte St but that was the first time (besides the internet) I saw how dangerous V-ism can be. What makes it worse is that he's very good with that KOF-style dodge that Cody has, high and low.
The only X-ism Rolento I ever fought was a guy named Barry. He was okay but I beat him with my Dan twice in a row so that pretty much killed the thrill for me. Still, X Rolento is a tough nut to crack.
I'm a shoto fan but everybody tends to abuse them so I decided to use what me and mine call the "unorthodox" players i.e. no projectiles/obvious anti-air moves, hence my choices. Dan is the closest to a shoto that I use in SFZ3.
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I've never seen anyone else play Rolento in A3 here.
V-Cody's not even that dangerous, relatively. Even if Daryl makes him seem good, he's merely okay. NOwhere near as dangerous as, say, V-Ryu, V-GIef, or *shudder* V-Sakura and V-Akuma.
Then you get into crouch-cancel infinites, in which a whole number of additional characters (V-Vega, V-Sagat) get stupid as well. Well, V-Vega was the first V-character that got noticed (and Daryl plays him too, as do I [not very well], though last I checked, he plays the old V-Vega that uses confusion VCs that nobody good falls for anymore, and not the newer superior "Run like a bitch for 50 seconds, VC, repeat" V-Vega), but V-Sagat wasn't found until years later.
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Good Lord... I wasn't even talking about the infinites. Those are insane. What I've seen him do is the Tornado multiple times to crack your guard. That's the offensive tactic that stood out the most for me at the time. Defense wise, he's really good with that dodge and Cody has decent priority over some of the non-shoto chars (or at least mine) so he "corks" a lot of my moves and hits.
The V-ism confusion technique is one that I've seen ppl try with Blanka as well. Never seen a V Sagat.
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Just out of curiousity....what is the tier listing for this game?
I'm curious to see which characters are considered to be tops in this game.
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IIRC its was something like
Top - Dhalsim (A/V), V-Akuma, V-Ryu, V-Gief, V-Sakura (now that I watch this I realize @ my peak I used to play all of these characters)
2nd - V-Charlie, V-Karin,V-Sodom, V-Cody , A-Guy, A-Gen, V/A Rolento were just below top.
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From memory:
1: V-Akuma, V-Sakura, V-Gief, Dhalsim (A/V/X), V-Ryu
2: V-Karin, V-Sodom, V-Vega, A/X/V-Rolento, V-Cody, V/A-Charlie, V-Sagat, A-Guy, A/X-Chun
3: A-Gen, A-Balrog, V-Mika, A/X-Rose, A/X-Adon, V/A-Cammy,
4: A-Blanka, V-Ken, V-Juni, A-M.Bison, V-Juli, V-Honda
5: V-Dan, Birdie
Any version not mentioned is generally not worth using and not ranked.
The top and botton are pretty set in stone at this point. Tier 2 is fairly set as well, though some characters may be a bit higher or lower than last I checked (e.g. V-Rolento is a gimmick character who's not that good compared to A or X, his gimmick is very good if you can land it). Tiers 3 and 4 are a bit more open to debate (A-Gen, a character I play, while usually ranked in tier 2, I find to be highly overrated), though I think that's correct.
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Dunno about Gen... I generally only use the Mantis style (3P) but I know someone who uses the Crane (3K). I have a combo that switches the styles in between but to say I actively use both styles... Nah. Maybe that's why he's so low ranked. In X-ism they combine the two and take from his versatility and I've never seen anything good for him in V-ism.
Now that I look back at the list, only A-ism is ranked anyway so I guess my assessment wasn't that badly off. I saw an infinite once with his uppercut in A-ism but that was a long time ago.
If someone took the time to master (Not learn - master) both styles, I wonder if that would do something for his ranking? He's the only Capcom/SF player I can recall right now that has more than one style to choose from during a match, not counting Optimus Ryu from MvC. Surely he's more dangerous than Tier 3... :ko:
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Fascinating. Looks like I wasn't too far off when I assumed that Akuma was a high tier in this game. Lots of juggles.
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Q:
If you aren't playing Gen in both styles, then you aren't using Gen. Period. I play in both styles and switch regularly, according to the situation (though KKK style is better overall). As I said, he's usually ranked in Tier 2 and is seen as one of the better characters in the game, but he has some trouble with turtles and can't get around V-rubbish.
Gen has no uppercut infinite. He can repeat it a few times in combos, but it's not an infinite.
The other versions of Gen are awful. He has not good VCs, and X-ISM got toned down from the beta version (where he still had chains; as with V-COdy, X-ken and X-Honda, Beta X-Gen was a monster), so there's no point in playing him.
NEO:
If not for V, Akuma would still be high, but nowhere near as powerful as V, who can kill you for jumping in once.
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I prefer the Mantis (3P) but I am acquainted with the Crane (3K), which is why I find it strange that you say he has trouble against turtles. I find combos and offense to be easier with the Mantis but, although I haven't studied the Crane in depth, I know at least that Standing 2 cracks crouching defense and Standing 3 cracks standing defense. You could use his roll to get close and just crack that turtle shell accordingly (unless they smell the rat and start to do the "Carl Lewis" i.e. RUN).
If it's a shoto turtle, well, that would be even harder. Sit down all day and when you try to get close... SHORYU KEN!!!
Now, I don't mean players with good defense who can consciously block. I mean the ones who immediately decide to buy a house in the corner of the screen and have NO offensive reflex whatsoever. They would gladly spend all 99 seconds there and wouldn't bother to move as long as they think they can hold out. Those are whom I consider turtles.
Consider yourself fortunate if you've never come across that kind of opponent. THEY SUCK!!!
As far as "V-rubbish" goes, I just try to play a distance game depending on the V-char. If it's a char that I consider VERY dangerous in V mode, well, you can't start that crap if you can't get in close.
EDIT: Don't double post. Thank you.
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lol @ they suck, wait til you see a true runaway Storm player.
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Q:
I don't know anyone who hardcore turtles like Guile and Dhalsim in old SF2 anymore. It's not really that effective in the long run. Most turtling now is of the offensive variety: Think of a moving tank. It moves forward, but it never takes risks or puts itself at a disadvantage, usually only counterattacking with safe pokes. It's a very strong, very annoying style to fight against if you aren't adept at it.
Gen, though vastly improved from A2, has trouble against this of character. He can't inflict a lot of damage without actually hitting his opponent, and some characters will just not give Gen a chance to actually hit them. KKK s.MP and s.HP (BLAH at number notation; get that KI/Tekken crap out of here!) can go through someone who's just sitting on their ass, but the damage is minimal, and not enough to encourage someone to not just block all the time.
Of course, his main weakness is getting crushed by VCs, but that's not a problem with him per se, since everyone has problems with that.
Now, on the other hand, there are players/characters who RUN like crazy. Don't know this as some skill-less style, cause it's not. It takes tremendous concentration and patience to play that way, though of course it's easier in some games than in others. Eddie Lee, the best SFA3 player on the East Coast, was a master of this with V-Vega. I saw him win against 4 players in a row (best 2 out of 3 each, so we're talking about 8 rounds minimum) by timeout at ECC4 in 1999 (his strategy: VC for block damage, run away doing jump back HP, get 50% meter, VC for block damage, repeat). Man, were his opponents (West Coast guys, the natural enemy of the East Coast players) PISSED. It was both hilarious and awful.
re: V-rubbish
There are some characters you cant play a distance game with. V-Akuma can kill you from full screen. V-Karin and V-Gief can be very threatening from a distance as well. And what do you mean you can't start it in close? That's where most VCs start.
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with all this vc talk, i fired up alpha 3 last night to see just how bad i'd gotten...i can't even do akuma's basic anti air vc anymore, that had me so down i didnt even bother to try his unblockable vc, at this point I'd pick him just for that godly b+hk
...my sak is even worse :(
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Much like with infinites, and combos in general, I can only do simple VCs, like V-Mikas and V-Vega's ground VC. I think I've pulled off SAK's midscreen one a couple times, but never consistently. :(
Actually, that's why I still use mostly A and X characters (and why I'm not that good at A3). I don't have the dexterity to perform VCs.
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I can understand that. Vega is hard to catch ordinarily. I don't know any other char that can span the screen like him, save Gen's Crane move to fly through the air. I meant that I usually keep the enemy at bay so that they don't get a chance to use V-ism on me (or at least that's what has worked so far). I use crouching FP mostly or standing FK.
lmao @ KI notation crap. That's actually where I got it from and I've used it for years, since KI2.
I myself dusted off Final Burn Alpha on my PC to see how I'd fare on a console. My multi button combos were almost non-existent. I'll either have to step up my training or keep it basic on Sunday please God. :ko:
Dan wasn't bad. Gen wasn't bad. Guy needs work. I tried them all on a USB controller I broke during a MUGEN vid anyway so I guess they could do worse... :shakehead:
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Well crap. My wife just reminded me that we're going to Chinese Association this Sunday for Chinese New Year. I won't be going to Trinicity definitely, and it's doubtful I'll be able to make it to Java cause I have things to do in the evening. :(
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I'll be there regardless. I understand though. The wife and I are going out on Saturday so Sunday's mine. Hope you have a good time.
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Well crap. My wife just reminded me that we're going to Chinese Association this Sunday for Chinese New Year. I won't be going to Trinicity definitely, and it's doubtful I'll be able to make it to Java cause I have things to do in the evening. :(
AH, CRAP.
Well, I guess I'll have to meet you in JAVA after JD and I duke it out in MvC1 at Trincity, then.
Q, are you in that one, at least?
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I could be. Sure. Hopefully I can sort out the household and I can hit the Mall at a decent time. I'll try to be there for 1:30 / 2:00, then leave @ 3:00 to hit JAVA for 3:30. This will be my first official fight appointment with GATT and I would like to be punctual.
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will anyone be at java is the question, i certainly cannot make it anymore as I said before.
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just throwing this out for anyone interested...been playing alot of super turbo/ae lately. Anyone up for some games sometime soon ?
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I'm game. Don't expect any miracles from me, though....I only play this game for kicks, nowadays.
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I play. M.Bison > *
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I'll be putting that to the test again as soon as I get the chance.
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i guess today is out..
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I need at least a week in advance for anything, if not two.