Did the Fourth do the jutsu in the same fashion but manage to not lose his life by returning to the form of a baby?
3) That they want the Bijuu inside of them as well to become unstoppable (but if they want this, how r they gonna get it sealed inside them? Only the 4th can do it which supports thefact that the leader of akatsuki is the 4th)The fact remains that the true intentions for collecting all 9 demons is unknown. It would be fruitless to speculate what the scroll in the statues mouth is or what it does. What gave you the impression that the 4th was the only 1 able to seal demons? Then how does that explain EVERY OTHER Jinchuuriki in the NAruto world? Gaara (last I checked his mother's sacrifice was part of that combintion) and what of the girl (two tail) JUST taken down by akatsuki?. The 4th being the leader whilst an intersting plot twist would imho be stupid.
I dont believe KAkashi has a real mangekyuo sharingan. Since he doesnt hav the Uchiha blood, he was not able to develop the real Mangekyou. Besides he jus found another way to do it, he didnt do the killin friend thing so he probaquired a lamer version than ITachi's own. He prob found a way to create his own unique version since he is not an UChiha and didnt kill his friend..........I disagree here. I think kakashi has developed the rea deal MS. However as in keeping with another theory I have about the 3 types of MS, kakashi's own is just 1 form and thus looks different. As trini said, at the point he used it against deidara, it was also imho more powerful that ameretsu (itachi's divine illumination). But that remains to be proven. I have another theory which ties DIRECTLY into this and is regarding that legend of killing your best friend to acheive the MS. It is possible that is indeed 1 way. However I suspect it's actually a lie created by Itachi to lure Sasuke into performing the act. Remember kyubi warned Sasuke NOT to kill Naruto and that he would regret it.
Sakura not lame anymore, i think she get real dred compared to the loser she was b4!!!!!!!!!!!!! tha't according with the manga tho......Nah she still blows (and prolly not in a way naruto would like either. Sure she has super strength and heaing abilities. But like the 5th she hasn't shown any great speed and as they say in the martial arts indus, there are the quick and the dead. She has NO chance of taking on sasuke or anyone of their calibre. She imho so far was good as a puppet and nothing more. I do HOPE to see her WTF pwn but as it stands, she's got A LONG road ahead of her.
Just look at some of the jutsu's yondaime made , they are arguably the BEST at what they do.. naruto is decades away from doing that , if ever .Think about what you just said and now consider Naruto has already mastered the rasengan and in a shorter time than Yondaime did I am sure, also his current form of training coupled with his unyileding drive has allowed him to reach nature manipulation faster than even sasuke. Also ( and I am sure I am repeating myself) he learnt the Kage Bushin ON THE RUN, in a SHORT amount of time as an ACADEMY STUDENT. Those things speak for themselves that he ain't no slouch. As for Tsunade's comments, its still within the limits of the theory that its a very taboo topic and as such ppl who may know (like the sanin) would say things like that for Naruto to develop as himself and not just relive his past exactly as the first time around. Besides he's too young and has demon fox chakra messing with his physical development, that could easily account for the differences in appearence.
QuoteJust look at some of the jutsu's yondaime made , they are arguably the BEST at what they do.. naruto is decades away from doing that , if ever .Think about what you just said and now consider Naruto has already mastered the rasengan and in a shorter time than Yondaime did I am sure, also his current form of training coupled with his unyileding drive has allowed him to reach nature manipulation faster than even sasuke. Also ( and I am sure I am repeating myself) he learnt the Kage Bushin ON THE RUN, in a SHORT amount of time as an ACADEMY STUDENT. Those things speak for themselves that he ain't no slouch. As for Tsunade's comments, its still within the limits of the theory that its a very taboo topic and as such ppl who may know (like the sanin) would say things like that for Naruto to develop as himself and not just relive his past exactly as the first time around. Besides he's too young and has demon fox chakra messing with his physical development, that could easily account for the differences in appearence.
i swear i see naruto throw ah rasenganAnd when you saw that you were talking to litte green men and you were EXTREMELY paranoid :p anyways I doubt it'll be a throwable Rasengan... that just sounds retarded. However it would be so awesome if he could go into a wind/chakra engulf biju form as normally the Kubi chakra damages its opponent on it's own (read sakura) but with the added effect of slicing wind his attack would be that much more devastating.
[One more theory of mine.. or rather a somewhat disturbing realization:
Did you ever seriously look at the Cursed seal on Sasuke's shoulder? Ever watch OMEN the movie? old or new? Well I haven't, but in the preview I noticed that Damien has a 'birth mark' on him that is 3 6's in a circle. Anyone realise that BOTH the sharigan AND the cursed seal are the EXACT SAME THING. They are in the form of a 6 in a circle... oddly enough the 6 shape is indeed in the direction to be a 6 and not a 9.... Now by drawing reference to Kyubi mentioning that the Uchiha blood is more evil than even his... this makes for a spookey connection....
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are u having ah queer moment???LMAO!!!!!! umm fuh real crixx.... umm that was just a bit much... TMI... but that aside anyone have other theories?
Did the Fourth do the jutsu in the same fashion but manage to not lose his life by returning to the form of a baby?
Dread a man ask a BIG BIG question dere.... something I never even thought about... WHAT IF Naruto is really the 4th hokage?
Bijuu are japenese legend ... Like what western dragons , gargoyles , werewolves , vampires etc. are , Kishi takes his ideas from jap legend to some extent...
With Chidori only Sharingan users can use it effectively because they move so fast that normal eyesight is useless, so a non sharingan user can at best go in a straight line , or around something he knows is there ... .
thats if there is an end
-if lee/gai unlocks all gates wudnt they b fast enough to out do sasuke
hopefully-if lee/gai unlocks all gates wudnt they b fast enough to out do sasuke
If anyone unlocks all gates they will become one of the strongest for a short period of time.. then dead.
nobudy answer meh...
In the sasuVSnaruto battle naruto onli had 1 tail ouut................wat if he had 4 (death to sasuke in the blink of an eye)
as for the seaarching for the one who woke him up, its like forshadowing for a naruto orochimaru battle eh?
LOL so then i guess he molested kimimaro huh Kaguya?
cause i eh lying i find kimimaro was rather close to Oro
I wonder if naruto let loose the fifth tail what kind of destruction will take place.......Michael Jackson... I mean Orochomaru's nose will fall off :p
I do however draw close reference to how it jus SO happen that Oro's base was/is in hidden SOUND Village....LMAO..... and wha bout the fact that he summoned the 1st and 2nd Hokage's as backup...dancers :p
Ep.201 (Sep 20) will be the final filler, followed by 202 (Sep 27) which will be a clip show.
The Kakashi Gaiden Special will be on Oct 5 along with ep 203.
where did you find that out? we not sure exactly when he did leave , but we know that he was slated to be 4th hokage until everyone realised he was an evil mofoHe was very vague when he said it, but in the episode where he spoke to Kabuto, he said it's been more than 10 years since he left (Naruto was 13 at that time)and when he met naruto he only knew he was the nine tails kid after they fought. So i figured he left right before the fox appeared in konoha.
them two jounins with Asuma i don't even know their names .
screww sasuke....hopefully the end of the fillers will b interesting
Konoha does know of Akatsuki's plans to get the bijuu, even from the early attempt to get naruto by Itachi and sharkman they knew of his importance. The kidnaping of Gaara would have solidified this fact for them .
Naruto is never outside the company of Konoha's finest : ero sennin , Kakashi ,Yamamoto . Though they did allow him to come along on the first akatsuki chase it would be like a move in chess : you won't expect your opponent to attack you with the king , and would be unprepared as such.
Pffft crixx and his lack of faith... the anime is named NARUTO.. NAAA RUUU TOEEEE!
It means , eventually , no matter what , every encounter nartuo has with anyone , no matter how badass , naruto will live ,and find someway to beat his enemy.
Naruto CAN'T use rasengan in the same fashion as Jiraiya and Yondaime , due to the fox , he can't control his chakra enough with one hand to spin it in several directions.. Thus he needs clones , but that is his strength. Because he has enough chakra and kage bunshin is second nature to him , he is the ONLY ONE WHO CAN DO IT.
If it was an easy , weako jutsu , kakashi and sasuke could copy it and use it against him.. but they can't .
HE SURPASS THE GREATEST NINJA OF ALL TIIMEE.. WHAT MORE YOU WANT FROM HIM CRIXX?
it looks like Naruto fillers may be ending soon,
it looks like Naruto fillers may be ending soon,
hmm...where have i heard that before?
some sort of spirit shadow puppeteer? steupsLMAO, fuh real @ puppet slayer... being a former puppet herself and her master being dead, now she is just Sakura the Puparian... great chp and totally expected that Kakuza not dead yet. I don't think he has to kill all 4 to kill kakuza, but rather 1 of the 4 took the damage from Raikiri and so in effect Kakashi didn't get Kakuza himself. I guess we'll see some more good action followed by a dramatic ending... perhaps a cooperative effort by the 3 chunin to slow or imobilize the two members to the point where Kakashi can focus his Mangekyou Sharingan and blink them out of existence. Or at least the whole of Kakuza and all save the head of Hidan. Cause after all they need to interrogate that head!
might hadda call in sakura de puppet slayer (lawl lol lawl)
some sort of spirit shadow puppeteer? steupsLMAO, fuh real @ puppet slayer... being a former puppet herself and her master being dead, now she is just Sakura the Puparian... great chp and totally expected that Kakuza not dead yet. I don't think he has to kill all 4 to kill kakuza, but rather 1 of the 4 took the damage from Raikiri and so in effect Kakashi didn't get Kakuza himself. I guess we'll see some more good action followed by a dramatic ending... perhaps a cooperative effort by the 3 chunin to slow or imobilize the two members to the point where Kakashi can focus his Mangekyou Sharingan and blink them out of existence. Or at least the whole of Kakuza and all save the head of Hidan. Cause after all they need to interrogate that head!
might hadda call in sakura de puppet slayer (lawl lol lawl)
where you all get your manga so early? the sites i use still don't have 335 up.n00b LMAO
where you all get your manga so early? the sites i use still don't have 335 up.IRC
ahhhh yesNot a gamer forum : P
what would GATT be if references to BOTH Naruto and DotA weren't mentioned in the same thread? ^_^
lol
hmm stil can't see ino being very useful, but she hadda play some part after 3 and a half years of doing who know what...some fool say she do a new move by possessin an ANIMAL instead of a person..anywayLOL.
hmm stil can't see ino being very useful, but she hadda play some part after 3 and a half years of doing who know what...some fool say she do a new move by possessin an ANIMAL instead of a person..anywayLOL.
But how come she eh buss down the mind Confusion Jutsu she fadda did use when the sound and sand had attacked Konoha?
It was hinted at in the chapter where Asuma was dying, that she had some sort of medical jutsu training (as she said her medical jutsu wasn't good enough to help as too many vital points had been hit) and asuma told her not to lose to sakura in love as well as in being a medical ninja.
So leh we see what gonna happen...
lol i saw on gayelle that the local crapaud toxic and are known to eat venomous snakes .
Susanoo, (Japanese: 須佐之男命, Susano'o-no-mikoto; also romanized as Susano-o, Susa-no-o, and Susanowo) in Shinto is the god of the sea and storms.
Susano'o is the brother of Amaterasu, the goddess of the sun, and of Tsukuyomi, the god of the moon. All three were spawned from Izanagi, when he washed his face clean of the pollutants of Yomi, the underworld. Amaterasu was born when Izanagi washed out his left eye, Tsukuyomi was born from the washing of the right eye, and Susano'o from the washing of the nose.
lol @ the self torture of low quality fillers
aahaha hoss you could give me like 50 dollars a week to kick yu in yur stones for 22 minutes instead of watching lq fillers for 22 minutes
lol @ the self torture of low quality fillers
aahaha hoss you could give me like 50 dollars a week to kick yu in yur stones for 22 minutes instead of watching lq fillers for 22 minutes
question: since Naruto wil be starting back in just under a month can soem give me a general idea as to how many episodes are gonna be for the rescue Gaara story arc?
I wait for the day when the revelation that Naruto IS the 4th is revealed and we can all say hey look at that :p
I wait for the day when the revelation that Naruto IS the 4th is revealed and we can all say hey look at that :p
wouldn't that be like a big big big big dissappointment? big
or a mini filler arc should their be need for one
you guys do realize that theres a shippuden thread for shippuden talk..Oh sorry I thought this was the GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE Naruto thread lol
lol sorry just tryin to be difficultyou guys do realize that theres a shippuden thread for shippuden talk..Oh sorry I thought this was the GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE Naruto thread lol
why use a scatter approach when you can go specifically at what you want?
Ok so i guess I'll askIn 1 word... impossible... the difference in strength is astronomical atm... Naruto would have to train with all the nin in Konoha and the hidden sand village for like months 18hrs a day... we've yet to see if Sasuke has gained the jutsus of Oro... in which case... the # of jutsu known to sasuke would be ridiculous.... add to that the sharingan, the cursed seal, and his advanced nature and shape manipulation abilities... well... yeah like I said MASS MASS MASS kage bushins training with EVERYONE+DOG for a few months... Naruto would have NO life or rest... and thats JUST to catch up...
How bad must naruto be to beat him now? can any one think of the level naruto would have to be......0_0
LOL training with the wood fella...
--small spoiler--
yeah he finish the jutsu but it is a forbidden class, damages naruto also, super bad jutsu though, it damages EVERY cell of the opponent...
thats never gonna happen....unfortunately....Hey yuh never know...
O.oCrixx you sasgay fanboy... I almost wondering if crixx not responsible for the gay sasuke on sai scene dat konohamaru put down in the latest chp.... 348...
if it could be done
it surely wouldnt be done by someone like naruto
thats never gonna happen....unfortunately....Hey yuh never know...
*SHOCKED*....Lol no I agree, it actually starts off slow, but keep on watching, you won't regret it. As to being too childish...idk what to say w/out givin anything away except keep watchingaight cool i go watch a bit more and see how it gets maybe ill get hooked lol. maybe its just one of those things that takes a while to get u idk
the anime esp english version might be childish and a good few episodes you'd want to skip over entirely ( all from 145 onward till Shippunden) but if you stick with the manga or just the jap episodes that do actually follow the storyline , its one of the best anime ever.i watch japanese one with subtitles and why is everyone telling me stop watching from 145 there must be something important in there lol. episodes 4 and 5 were pretty interesting i have to say that it was very funny and had enough action all at the same time :). i dont download much because i download bleach and death note as well but i play alot of online games and i share a pc with my bro.
The art style is good in its own way , you won't get as highly detailed drawing as some but the colour scheme together with the superb fighting make up for it
hoss take we advice you will not regret it, these fillers were so bad, i sure you go rather watch something like thats so raven besides themDread even that show is entertaining... you better off punching urself in the face than watching those Illers.... they were TRULY HORRIBLE... but as I have said for some time now, it does explain why Naruto sucks B@LLS now compared to sasuke...
so now that you are that far in are pro- or con- sasuke?rephrase that lol
usually win someone says pro and con they mean advantage and disadvantage so that was a bit confusing Sasuke is cool but im still early in the show :P. I got to where kakashi used his sharingan and passed out.You have very far to go young grasshopper...
i got alot of life left im only 18 :Pusually win someone says pro and con they mean advantage and disadvantage so that was a bit confusing Sasuke is cool but im still early in the show :P. I got to where kakashi used his sharingan and passed out.You have very far to go young grasshopper...
I wish you well in that endeavour, however never for once believe that age has anything to do with how much time you have on this earth :)i got alot of life left im only 18 :Pusually win someone says pro and con they mean advantage and disadvantage so that was a bit confusing Sasuke is cool but im still early in the show :P. I got to where kakashi used his sharingan and passed out.You have very far to go young grasshopper...
Guys are better... Nah girls girls.... Girls are definately better... wait.. no GUYS ... Guys... or actually...interesting.... well i like girls but i like being a guy and girls like guys so which is better.. AHA i have it *Cough who tha fu Chokes dies*
OMG this is by far one of the most interesting things i have ever seen in an anime the Chunin exam! teaching you how to cheat lmao when Sasuke used sharingan i was like WTF doh make joke yes. Naruto in class want to cry because he dont know one flippin answer.Whoa... he's like really really really far back... thats a good thing oui...
the latest character is a bisexual apparently... that was a quote from his first line . Sasuke seems very benevolent
hey best to be really far back that way i dont have to wait a week or 2 for a new episode like bleach Why oh why do i have to wait a whole week WAAAAAAAAAAAAGH.OMG this is by far one of the most interesting things i have ever seen in an anime the Chunin exam! teaching you how to cheat lmao when Sasuke used sharingan i was like WTF doh make joke yes. Naruto in class want to cry because he dont know one flippin answer.Whoa... he's like really really really far back... thats a good thing oui...
I now reach preliminary matches for chuunin exam lol!. Next match look like Hinata and that other funny eyes guy ( rock lee partner ). But dread that bug dude scary dread lol that shit crazy id give up long time :D. To tell the truth though im really wondering if anyone can beat Gaara that kid is a Demon.*W1nTry Grins wide* Gaara is a bad@$$ no 2 ways about that!
wow... yur so far behind it is actually painfullAs i said before being behind is completely great when it comes to anime as i dont have to wait 1/2 weeks per episode like bleach * sigh *
especially to hear yu say such rubbish about sasuke :( *sigh*
Wooowwww.....my brain just imploding more an more with each passin week at Sasuke's Dreadneesss....Kimimaro in 352! Wow...just...wow. Who else thinks that Naruto's group will find Itachi while Sasuke fighting him, helps, kills itachi and then another Naruto vs. Sasuke fight?
Almost done the first set of main matches Naruto buss up Neji, K......... give up against aburame shino, Shikamaru beat Temari and give up and then Gaara kill 2 ppl on way to fight Sasuke. No offense i find sasuke to be one of the best characters but i find it rather impossible for him to beat Gaara unless he let out some mad power he get from Orochimaru and even then it seems fairly unlikely that he'll win.
Who else thinks that Naruto's group will find Itachi while Sasuke fighting him, helps, kills itachi and then another Naruto vs. Sasuke fight?
I now reach preliminary matches for chuunin exam lol!. Next match look like Hinata and that other funny eyes guy ( rock lee partner ). But dread that bug dude scary dread lol that shit crazy id give up long time :D. To tell the truth though im really wondering if anyone can beat Gaara that kid is a Demon.
AHEM....That's Kaguya Kimimarui just realized that u corrected me for spelling Kimimaro's name wrong and u spelt it wrong to lmao. Shame on u not knowing ur fave characters name
haha....yeah. He's a boss. He get molested by orochimaru...but he's a boss
haha....yeah. He's a boss. He get molested by orochimaru...but he's a boss
Hmm it seems in Naruto to be a bad@$$ you have to get molested or attempted molested by Oro... if yuh think about it...
Jaraiya - Molested repeatedly
Naurto - Man feel up he stomach and place he 'mark' (seal) over the kyubi seal
Kimi (I ain't gonna look up the spelling, yuh know who I mean) - Definitely molested by Oro
Itachi - Well oro TRY to molest him... but he get shut down
Sasuke - He musse get the most molest, see how Sasuke doh like Oro touching him.... O_o
Kakashi - See de fear in Kakashi eyes that encounter during the Chunin exams... yeah Oro got to him too...
LMAO!!!
AHEM....That's Kaguya Kimimarui just realized that u corrected me for spelling Kimimaro's name wrong and u spelt it wrong to lmao. Shame on u not knowing ur fave characters name
WTF i pass the episodes people tell me stop at and i download shippuuden and it start off naruto sakura and a bunch of people chasin sasuke out of the blue so... It seems i do need to watch the other naruto episodes to find out wtf goin cuz it seems i miss a whole big pile of storyline.
truly, the manga goin real good, watching anime and reading the manga is like 2 different experience, and hinata is hot, really really hotUmm ease of the ink there UG O_O....
kishi is on some high grade namekian weed, jes now we go see fusion dance...wait we already did with kabuchimaruLMAO fuh real eh!
' MY NAME IS UCHIHA OBITO!' Akatsuki leader wips Obito .
' Your master has given you a new name , its a nice name , it is TOBI'
' What is your name ?'
' I AM OBITO OF THE UCHIHA CLAN!'
Akatsuki leader wips Obito again.
'WHAT IS YOUR NAME BOI!?'
Obito : ' My name is.. Tobi'
(idle and watching roots on tv6)
... being nonsensically fanboyish.
"now read ch 367 and steups and realise we were right bout kishi
he is both losing his mind, and bending to the will of stupid fan boys."
If you think for a single, solitary, MOMENT that Naruto wasn't the fourth's son you should stop reading shonen manga and seriously, please, up about the "bending to fans will" comment. It makes no sense and you know it's unjustifable. The name of the manga is 'Naruto', not 'Sasuke', it's absurd and you are ironically being nonsensically fanboyish.
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All of this bachanal over one of the coolest things i have read. Jeez! :shakehead: :shakehead:
hows about we remember its just a fictional book and have fun reading it :happy0203:
.......i wonder if naruto moms was a best....
.......i wonder if naruto moms was a best....
dude WTF???
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/070821.jpg < check that out..
So Itachi found the pics huh?
and it looks like he's a clone of someone.. or cloned himself at least, notice the 6 canisters in the room?
obviously related to naruto/ yondaime somehow
so i've come to the conclusion that kishi goes to various naruto forums around the net to get ideas...
No. Erm. That's Pein. Or rather...has Pein's eyes.
Wait wait, now I confused.
Three of them. One obviously is Konan. Then there's the youth whose eye they show in the last panel and say "The birth of Pain!". That's Nagato. Then there's the one that looks like the Pain that addresses the Akatsuki getherings. That's Yahiko.
I guess you're right about the eyes, I didn't notice that. I was more seeing that they were only showing one, like they do with Tobi.
Wait wait, now I confused.
Three of them. One obviously is Konan. Then there's the youth whose eye they show in the last panel and say "The birth of Pain!". That's Nagato. Then there's the one that looks like the Pain that addresses the Akatsuki getherings. That's Yahiko.
I guess you're right about the eyes, I didn't notice that. I was more seeing that they were only showing one, like they do with Tobi.
So then if we follow current trend.....Pein/pain killed Yahiko and using his body to address the Akatsuki?
and disciple when i first saw those eyes i thought he was Tobi too...had to do a double take....
Now whilst I agree that Naruto took a course down $hit story lane a while back did anyone read what the Rinhoweveryouspellitdoujutsu stands for? the name is simply made up of words to mean a specific thing... life, death and the cycle thereof, which will inherently have a link to his many body jutsu... I agree the name SUCKS B@LLZ (the dragon variety) but hey I say give it a chance, in the least we'll get to see some bad@$$ jutsu in an epic fight of Sanin vs. The ultimate doujutsu... on the other hand, that doesn't quite explain why someone as powerful as he would be working UNDER a mere 'sharingan' user, if his doujutsu is more powerful....
My thoughts on the new chapter can be summed up as such: NOT SO FAST KAIBA...I MEAN PAIN!!
It's like they're playing freakin Yu-gi-oh now...
Only interesting part was this new summon of Jiraiya's.
so...based on this new chapter....jiarya obviously found the frogs before he joined the sennin team....so that means he was a complete bad ass before he was even a gennin? Just a wild meaningless theory
Did anyone else look deeper into what the elder said about a student being either the greatest thing or the demise of mankind.
Not pain but possibly naruto.
Hear me out, naruto being who he is with his confident personality and big heart could become friends with just about anyone and
actually unite the nations
But again, being a jinchuurichi and may not be able to control his biju he may as well destroy the world, as we can see the way he demised orichamaru and destroyed half the forrest in 4 tails mode, imagine 9 tails.
Maybe I am reading too much into it.
pimp daddy sasuke will slap dat lil gennin back into place anytime he ack up
no naruto this week at all.. probably some kind of holiday in japan
I don't think Jiraya'll make it out of this one.
aye anybudy remember wat episodes kimi fought drunk-lee/gaara....i feelin to watch it over
Drunk lee was imba... Sasuke lucky he didn't get HIV from orochimaru like Kiminaro, condom FTW!
OR maybe orochimaru wanted a clean , unmolested body... hmmm
According to Japanese legend, Ninja are descended from a mythical creature called Tengu, a half-man-half-crow hybrid with the power to alter nature and the minds of men.
O_O ..... that's all I have to say... better yet let the pictures say it all...
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I doh care who say how bad Oro was, or how good other battles were, it's doutbful many save Pain (and perhaps a few other Kage level nin) could have taken on Jaraiya like this and even so, Pain technically is cheating as its 6 of him vs. One. How many other nin in Naruto altogether could take on 6 Kage level nin simultaneously? Listening? who? what? didn't hear ya? Oh on another note I think Jaraiya is @#$%ED... not that we didn't expect that but... it's not often we're treated to seeing Sanin level battles... now we'll have 1 less Sanin to see fight... 2 down... 1 to go...
Well considering he's missing an arm and can no longer perform seals... I think right now he's closer to death... I guess at least he has Ma and Pa, but with his inability to perform much jutsu (no hand seals)... they'll need to perform something akin to what Sasuke put down with the snake... some kinda space/time jutsu to survive... either that or Jaraiya has ONE last trick up his sleeve... an ultimate jutsu as it were (though that 4 frog soul seal seemed like it) I mean... after gaining knowledge about akatsuki members esp like Hidan... yuh would think he'd have completely destroyed the bodies to ensure they couldn't come back...
But if nothing else at least Naruto will get the key, let's just hope he knows what to do with it.Does he EVER know what to do? *shakes head* our only hope on that front is the fact that he learned kage bushin from a forbidden scroll in a matter or minutes... whether he'll be able to comprehend exactly what that scroll contains... remains to be seen...
Does he EVER know what to do? *shakes head* our only hope on that front is the fact that he learned kage bushin from a forbidden scroll in a matter or minutes... whether he'll be able to comprehend exactly what that scroll contains... remains to be seen...
Naruto will assimilate the Kyuubi into himself and be able to call upon it without it hurting him.
QuoteNaruto will assimilate the Kyuubi into himself and be able to call upon it without it hurting him.
then...that is total utter badness..who'd be strong enough to fight that?
As for who could beat Naruto-Kyuubi, somebody will pop up.
lol @ most advanced ninjutsu ever ahahahahah
I doubt Itachi will die, he can sacrifice his eyesight bussing MS if he has to defeat Sasuke , plus i believe the whole plan was to unlock 3 MS , Sasuke , Him and Kakashi in order to achieve some further goal.. like unlock that demon the uchiha are supposedly descended from.
I wonder if pain is going to take his body? That would be interesting.Based on the fact that Pain also seems to be able to use the abilities of those he takes over... wouldn't that mean he'd be able to summon gamabunta? O_O imagine the CARNAGE of a PAIN controlled Jaraiya..... Of course let's not completely count Jaraiya out yet (yeah I know its wishful thinking but he did come to a revalation at the 11th hour... so we may yet get a word or two outta him yet...) or some 11:59:59 hour jutsu to stop pain.....(yeah I know its unbelieveable wishful thinking) but hey Jaraiya is/was a REAL BOSS!
as for almost killing jiraiya
was jiraiya trying to kill naruto? no of course not
if he wanted to, obviously he could snuff his lights out most easily.
Lol at the idea that Kakashi would stand half a chance in hell against Pain. The same Kakashi that Itachi slap around. The same Itachi that ran with Kisame in tow from Jiraiya. Really now.Just because Itachi ran does mean he was afraid or thought that he would get pwned by Jaraiya, the way I see it YES Jaraiya is enough of a BAD@$$ to kill them both, however from Itachi's standpoint it was not worth the trouble to go head to head with the Sanin cause it would undoubtedly be a tremendous battle potentially causing more harm to Sasuke in the process as he was in the middle of the battleground so to speak. Itachi knew he had alot of time to get Naruto and there was no real need to over exert themselves so soon. That in mind Kakasi vs. Pain, I do think he'd get pwned but I think Kakashi could take out one or two bodies, he's not a candidate for Hokage FOR NOTHING!
And using Jiraiya versus 4-tail is completely legitimate. Because we have another example of someone fighting 4-tail without the intent to kill. Orochimaru was fighting the four tail for kicks and he got away unscathed when he decided he was fed up.I have to agree with the grenade comment. Oro might have been playing de @$$ HOWEVER he did reach his limit in doing so and had to pull out all the stops to save his @$$ from getting fried whereas Naruubi was still building up, had that fight prolonged much more Oro would have been in FAR worse condition than Jaraiya. And Oro DID TRY TO KILL Naruubi or have you forgotten the sword that COULD NOT penetrate Naruubi? Jaraiya would have had no killing intent towards the 4 tails and as such not use his more powerful jutsu's to subdue the beast. In fact it would suffice to say that Jaraiya received MOST of his wounds from trying to get CLOSE ENOUGH to Naruto to place the seal on his forehead to subdue him rather than going SENIN mode and dropping an Ultimate Rasengan on Naruto head.
Your grenade analogy is total rubbish too since Jiraiya would have clearly seen the transformation happening and also the loss of control that came from the 4th tail. Is not like he get ambush when he was sleeping.
Your Rasenshuriken argument once against comes to nought seeing as how neither Kakashi nor Jiraiya have a thing to do with Naruto forming a Rasenshuriken after he knows how to do it. I certainly didn't see them spinning chakra with the clones.I agree with this, Naruto doh need noone to pull off this jutsu, just it does more damage than good unfortunately.
As for your next statement, that Sasuke is hiding a superior jutsu, you're making a very erroneous assumption: that Sasuke is a genius greater than Naruto. He isn't. So sorry but it's true. Sasuke is smarter, more creative but Naruto has consistently shown a level of ability when it comes to performing jutsus that is far higher than anything Sasuke can do.I also believe that Sasuke IS still hiding a more powerful Jutsu, possibly a combination of fire and electric chakra manipulation. Sasuke IS a Genius whereas Naruto doesn't really fall into that 'typical' classification as he's NEVER been referred to as that in the ENTIRE series to my best recollection. I would rather say that Naruto is actually more creative (remember since the days of Zabuza) and Sasuke is FAR better at EFFECTIVELY using Jutsu that he knows. Naruto is the #1 un-predictable nin for petes sake! I also do NOT agree with the comment about the LEVEL of jutsu as sasuke's shape and nature manipulation rival that of Naruto. Sure we've NOT seen a jutsu with the destructive power of the Rasenshiruken, but that's not to say he can't do it.
BTSAnd since his learning Kage Bushin... what other Jutsu have we seen him use? waiting? what? where? how? right.... I think that Naruto is great and I think he has alot of potential and now with the use of 1000 clone cramming technique he has a GREAT tool to learn at a RIDICULOUS rate, however it was imho something kishi cooked up (half baked) to give Naruto something comparable to the GAME SHARK that sasuke has stuck in his head aka the SHARINGAN. Fact remains that Naruto cannot copy a jutsu on the fly and he cannot effectively use an opponents OWN jutsu against them in the matter of seconds or minutes that Sasuke can. In the long run I think they are BOTH capable of learning a RIDICULOUS amount of High level jutsu, however a direct apples to apples comparison is a bit stupid and more like apples to pineapples
Naruto learned Kage Bunshin (A- rank jutsu) before he was even a genin, and learned it in an evening to boot. Sasuke has nothing comparable.
Naruto could do Kage level summons even before the chuunin exams were over. Sasuke never showed that ability until PTS.
Sasuke did learn an A-rank ninjutsu, Chidori in three months yes. And Naruto learned Rasengan (also A-rank) in what? A couple weeks? Not to mention he did most of the training on his own, not having his hand held like Kakashi did for Sasuke, just basic guidelines from Jiraiya. Rasengan is also much more impressive than Chidori as a jutsu goes.
Jutsu it took the 4th HOKAGE 3 years to create > Jutsu Kakashi invented when he was 13
PTSIt is NOT the highest level ninjutsu to exist, its merely the highest level jutsu that we've been shown. What would you call Ameretsu? chicken $hit? the point I am making here is akin to what I said above, Sasuke is MUCH better at mastering Jutsu that he knows whereas Naruto has shown his ability to increase the POWER of the jutsu he's learnt which having the FOX does HELP to say the least. He has the Chakra reserves to do the things he does. Also what would you call the Death God summon both the 3rd and 4th put down? you want power, try those on for size.
Sasuke created alot of chidori variants and while creative, none of which are really on an empirically higher level of power than Chidori itself. Naruto on the other hand had Oodama Ransegan, which is in itself an S-rank ninjutsu.
And of course Naruto learns Rasenshuriken, the highest level ninjutsu to ever exist by this point in time.
Now then we can see very clearly that Naruto is far more adept at learning high level jutsu than Sasuke. And even then it took him I think 20 years of training to master Rasenshuriken. Sasuke had 3 years, the length of the time skip, to go higher. I don't think so.Exactly, how does 20 years of training vs. 3 show that Naruto has surpassed Sasuke in his ability to master Jutsu? Naruto just has the 'convenient' use of MASS clones. But let me not repeat myself.
Now then, even if it *is* better, Naruto still holds the trump card. Because he has his own 'that jutsu', a jutsu that is more than just heavily implied to have to do with controlling the entire breath of the Kyuubi chakra sealed within him. So whatever crap Sasuke comes up with will be overshadowed *again*.I agree and disagree with this. Seeing as Madara has been indicated to have the ability to control the Kyubi, what does this imply for someone who masters and harnesses the full power of the Sharingan? What I am getting at is, can anyone else see how Kishi equals the playing field? naruto has the Kyubi, Sasuke has a bloodline to control the Kyubi. We've already seen him SUPPRESS the Kyubi chakra INSIDE NARUTO HEAD! the way i see it, the idea is that Sasuke would have to use his Sharingan to keep Kyubi at bay in the process using alot of power and Naruto not having the Kyubi would use his own skill, thereby negating both the sharingan and the Kyubi in an 'ultimate final' battle. So that each would have to use the skill and own normal (if it can be called that) strength and power.
I don't mind taking on a Sasuke fanboy but you gonna have to come better than you've been coming so far.I like both characters, Naruto AND sasuke they both have great characteristics of their own. Whilst I think your argument might be slightly better than a 'sasuke fanboy' I also don't think your's or even mine are completely the all end all. We all have our opinions but same way I see flaws in your argument you will undoubtedly see flaws in mine.
my rasenshuriken argument comes to nought?? what???
yu such a fan boy yu ignoring the fact that he cant do a damn rasenshuriken without kakashi or jiraiya doing a rasengan for him to mix the wind chakura with??? you forget that already???
That in mind Kakasi vs. Pain, I do think he'd get pwned but I think Kakashi could take out one or two bodies, he's not a candidate for Hokage FOR NOTHING!
I have to agree with the grenade comment. Oro might have been playing de @$$ HOWEVER he did reach his limit in doing so and had to pull out all the stops to save his @$$ from getting fried whereas Naruubi was still building up, had that fight prolonged much more Oro would have been in FAR worse condition than Jaraiya. And Oro DID TRY TO KILL Naruubi or have you forgotten the sword that COULD NOT penetrate Naruubi? Jaraiya would have had no killing intent towards the 4 tails and as such not use his more powerful jutsu's to subdue the beast. In fact it would suffice to say that Jaraiya received MOST of his wounds from trying to get CLOSE ENOUGH to Naruto to place the seal on his forehead to subdue him rather than going SENIN mode and dropping an Ultimate Rasengan on Naruto head.
I also believe that Sasuke IS still hiding a more powerful Jutsu, possibly a combination of fire and electric chakra manipulation. Sasuke IS a Genius whereas Naruto doesn't really fall into that 'typical' classification as he's NEVER been referred to as that in the ENTIRE series to my best recollection. I would rather say that Naruto is actually more creative (remember since the days of Zabuza) and Sasuke is FAR better at EFFECTIVELY using Jutsu that he knows. Naruto is the #1 un-predictable nin for petes sake! I also do NOT agree with the comment about the LEVEL of jutsu as sasuke's shape and nature manipulation rival that of Naruto. Sure we've NOT seen a jutsu with the destructive power of the Rasenshiruken, but that's not to say he can't do it.
Fact remains that Naruto cannot copy a jutsu on the fly and he cannot effectively use an opponents OWN jutsu against them in the matter of seconds or minutes that Sasuke can. In the long run I think they are BOTH capable of learning a RIDICULOUS amount of High level jutsu, however a direct apples to apples comparison is a bit stupid and more like apples to pineapples
It is NOT the highest level ninjutsu to exist, its merely the highest level jutsu that we've been shown. What would you call Ameretsu? chicken $hit? the point I am making here is akin to what I said above, Sasuke is MUCH better at mastering Jutsu that he knows whereas Naruto has shown his ability to increase the POWER of the jutsu he's learnt which having the FOX does HELP to say the least. He has the Chakra reserves to do the things he does. Also what would you call the Death God summon both the 3rd and 4th put down? you want power, try those on for size.
Exactly, how does 20 years of training vs. 3 show that Naruto has surpassed Sasuke in his ability to master Jutsu? Naruto just has the 'convenient' use of MASS clones. But let me not repeat myself.
I agree and disagree with this. Seeing as Madara has been indicated to have the ability to control the Kyubi, what does this imply for someone who masters and harnesses the full power of the Sharingan? What I am getting at is, can anyone else see how Kishi equals the playing field? naruto has the Kyubi, Sasuke has a bloodline to control the Kyubi. We've already seen him SUPPRESS the Kyubi chakra INSIDE NARUTO HEAD! the way i see it, the idea is that Sasuke would have to use his Sharingan to keep Kyubi at bay in the process using alot of power and Naruto not having the Kyubi would use his own skill, thereby negating both the sharingan and the Kyubi in an 'ultimate final' battle. So that each would have to use the skill and own normal (if it can be called that) strength and power.
I like both characters, Naruto AND sasuke they both have great characteristics of their own. Whilst I think your argument might be slightly better than a 'sasuke fanboy' I also don't think your's or even mine are completely the all end all. We all have our opinions but same way I see flaws in your argument you will undoubtedly see flaws in mine.
I wouldn't even give him that much credit tbh. Just putting him that high already means having him exceed Jiraiya's capabilities.This isn't correct as Jaraiya technically took out not 1 not 2 but 3 BODIES and actually he took out 1 body TWICE so technically you could say he took out 4 bodies or have you forgotten. ONLY because pain has 6 bodies did he get the up on Jaraiya. Thus me saying Kakashi can take out 2 is quite plausible and still below Jaraiya.
As for the last, he's a Hokage candidate because he's the best they have left. I mean it's either him or Gai the way I see it. Obvious choice there.
You're forgetting another factor though, Oro's body was starting to fail. That's why he left, not because he reached his 100% limit. I'll remind you that very shortly after this he was actually on his deathbed unable to do basically anything such that he was easy prey for Sasuke.I agree that Oro wasn't at 100% however I would not put Naruubi down as to say it was playtime (yes he did say something to that effect) but Oro knew quite well he could have gotten killed and almost did by the... 'K-O-KEN' that Naruubi plant on him (he had to summon 3 gates to defend himself and they all failed as I recall). I also think the Kusenagi WAS intended to kill as Oro was SURPRISED when he realized it did NOT pierce him. As for Oro easily being able to accomplish placing the seal on Naruubi, I agree, but that goes back to the point YOU made about certain match ups NOT being ideal. Sure Oro is prolly faster (this is debatable after seeing Senin mode) but Oro is a freaking snake, he could out manuever Naruubi whereas Jaraiya could not.
Also I don't think his Kusanagi strike was meant to be killing either. 4TK had proven itself tough enough that he had to try something to actually score some points on his own. He says both before the fight and when he decides to withdraw that the entire thing was 'playtime'.
Lastly you mention Jiraiya being wounded from trying to put the seal on him, but you'll notice that Oro would have been able to do that very early in the fight if he wanted to since he puts his fist in 4TK's face. This is Oro in a dying body as well. So it's not like he was trying to do anything so drastically different from what Orochimaru was capable of doing.
It's unreasonable to think that Sasuke can surpass Rasenshuriken quite frankly in terms of pure difficulty. It took Naruto 20 years to learn to do it and it's a jutsu that neither Minato nor Jiraiya nor Kakashi was ever able to do.You pointed out that ORO is a complete bad@$$ and Sasuke was constantly learning techniques from him, to suggest that sasuke doesn't have at least S-Rank jutsu in his arsenal would be @$$enine :p I agree the Rasenshiruken is NOTHING to be scoffed at, but you yourself said it took 20 years. What do you think Sasuke could do with 20 years and combining S-ranked jutsu?
Sasuke's chakra abilities also have NOT been shown to be level with Naruto. Rasengan is spatial manipulation of the highest order and Sasuke cannot do anything comparable. The facts simply do not show him as ever having a learning and execution capability for jutsus that exceeded Naruto's.
Whatever Sasuke is likely to come up with in future is more sharingan hax. And even then my point is that his 'that jutsu' will be crushed by the power of Naruto's 'that jutsu'.
Sharingan copying wheel still has limits. Sasuke is limited by what his body can legitimately do. All he will learn is the method through reading the handsigns (one reason why rasengan apparently can't be copied).Sasuke has already shown his body had FAR surpassed most other nin in the naruverse. He SINGLE handedly defeated an akatsuki member whom Kakashi AND Naruto couldn't EVEN capture after he had NO ARMS. That says alot, I do think it was a favourable match up being lightning vs. Earth and all, but still Naruto had a team fighting Kakuza before he stepped in. Its no small feat either, HOWEVER Naruto cannot claim to have singlehandedly taken on an akatsuki member and WON. Chakra capacity is one thing, skill is another. Naruto has chakra to blow thats for sure, but all that power wouldn't do him much good if he can't properly use it. Case in point, Itachi put him in a Genjutsu he couldn't escape and all he used was his FINGER :p sasuke has already been shown to have very good use of Genjutsu as he used against deidara, as it stands Sasuke would wipe the floor with Naruto atm.
Sasuke's body simply is not able to do rasenshuriken or something or a similar nature. It's past his limit. He doesn't have the chakra reserves. Think about it this way, Sasuke's chidori limit during chuunin exams was TWO. On the other hand when Naruto was learning rasengan he was spinning chakra whole day and has never been shown to have a limit on how many he can do.
PTS we know he has the capacity to do several thousand rasengans AT LEAST. And yet he can do THREE Rasenshurikens. How can Sasuke compare to the power of Naruto's latent Kyuubi chakra?
I'm not trying to push a position, it's been pretty much stated. Kakashi said it himself, Naruto will be the person to create a jutsu higher than S-rank. Then he started teaching him the steps for Rasenshuriken. Rasenshuriken is higher than S-rank. Everything else is S-rank or lower.Keep in mind its a last resort jutsu that does him more damage than good. Meaning its pretty useless atm. He needs to work on it some more but thats getting sidetracked. It was also mentioned that aside from Kakashi and the 4th being unable to complete it, the reason is because they don't have the chakra that naruto has. THe Kyubi is what gives NAruto the edge to perform this jutsu. I mean come on, SADLY the RASENSHIRUKEN WAS WASH, RINSE, REPEAT of Rasengan. IF YOU ONLY KNOW HOW DISAPPOINTED I WAS IN KISHI FOR THAT!!! 2 clones == Rasengan, 3 clones== Rasenshiruken... anyhow you look at it, its DAFT :p Naruto's chakra capacity is what allowed him to perform this, I can't see it being much more than that sadly...
People are forgetting that three of the most brilliant minds in the Narutoverse, including the proclaimed "Greatest Ninja Konoha ever created", have failed to create this jutsu.
What I'm saying is this, Naruto has demonstrated that he is superior to Sasuke when it comes to learning new jutsu. This is not debatable. Rasengan is a couple weeks? Sasuke doing Chidori against Gaara had everyone marvelling at his new power. Naruto using Rasengan against Kabuto had Orochimaru abandoning his battle with Jiraiya specifically to kill Naruto because the fact that he could learn rasengan showed how dangerous he was.I think I addressed this already. Sasuke can QUICKLY learn a jutsu, Naruto takes time, however he can perfect and learn once he has the time. Meaning his ridiculous clone learning jutsu :p in an actual battle, Sasuke's ability is much more useful. Meaning he can use the enemies jutsu against him quickly vs. Naruto who would be more like the backup. To put it in a different way Sasuke is the scout, Naruto is the heavy hitter. Both have equally important roles and both have their benefits and weaknesses.
Given this fact, how is Sasuke supposed to have created something in 3 years grater than something that took Naruto 20? It doesn't add up in a mathematical sense.
I agree that clone learning was made up on the spot to give Naruto an edge. But it's there. It's no different from harping on about Sharingan, which has had so many abilities pulled out it's ass that Santa might want to consider stocking presents for all the world's children there. Tons of room.
Very plausible. However Naruto has main character hax which is why I'm certain that whatever he uses will be better than what the other guy has. But I don't argue this idea.Naruto already surpasses him in POWER that was never a dispute, however power isn't very useful without knowing how to control it, and as it stands he cannot thus sasuke has the edge atm. I want Naruto to surpass or at least equal Sasuke beleive me, I was CUSSING wondering what naruto was doing for 2 years PTS seeing as Sasuke was LEAPS AND BOUNDS above in terms and skill. But at the same time to say that Naruto has shown his superiority to Sasuke is well FUD imho at least ATM!
This is of course assuming that the final battle in the series is Naruto vs Sasuke. If not Naruto will quickly outstrip him in power as the series wears on.
This isn't correct as Jaraiya technically took out not 1 not 2 but 3 BODIES and actually he took out 1 body TWICE so technically you could say he took out 4 bodies or have you forgotten. ONLY because pain has 6 bodies did he get the up on Jaraiya. Thus me saying Kakashi can take out 2 is quite plausible and still below Jaraiya.
I agree that Oro wasn't at 100% however I would not put Naruubi down as to say it was playtime (yes he did say something to that effect) but Oro knew quite well he could have gotten killed and almost did by the... 'K-O-KEN' that Naruubi plant on him (he had to summon 3 gates to defend himself and they all failed as I recall). I also think the Kusenagi WAS intended to kill as Oro was SURPRISED when he realized it did NOT pierce him. As for Oro easily being able to accomplish placing the seal on Naruubi, I agree, but that goes back to the point YOU made about certain match ups NOT being ideal. Sure Oro is prolly faster (this is debatable after seeing Senin mode) but Oro is a freaking snake, he could out manuever Naruubi whereas Jaraiya could not.
You pointed out that ORO is a complete bad@$$ and Sasuke was constantly learning techniques from him, to suggest that sasuke doesn't have at least S-Rank jutsu in his arsenal would be @$$enine :p I agree the Rasenshiruken is NOTHING to be scoffed at, but you yourself said it took 20 years. What do you think Sasuke could do with 20 years and combining S-ranked jutsu?
Sasuke has already shown his body had FAR surpassed most other nin in the naruverse. He SINGLE handedly defeated an akatsuki member whom Kakashi AND Naruto couldn't EVEN capture after he had NO ARMS. That says alot, I do think it was a favourable match up being lightning vs. Earth and all, but still Naruto had a team fighting Kakuza before he stepped in. Its no small feat either, HOWEVER Naruto cannot claim to have singlehandedly taken on an akatsuki member and WON. Chakra capacity is one thing, skill is another. Naruto has chakra to blow thats for sure, but all that power wouldn't do him much good if he can't properly use it. Case in point, Itachi put him in a Genjutsu he couldn't escape and all he used was his FINGER :p sasuke has already been shown to have very good use of Genjutsu as he used against deidara, as it stands Sasuke would wipe the floor with Naruto atm.
Keep in mind its a last resort jutsu that does him more damage than good. Meaning its pretty useless atm. He needs to work on it some more but thats getting sidetracked. It was also mentioned that aside from Kakashi and the 4th being unable to complete it, the reason is because they don't have the chakra that naruto has. THe Kyubi is what gives NAruto the edge to perform this jutsu. I mean come on, SADLY the RASENSHIRUKEN WAS WASH, RINSE, REPEAT of Rasengan. IF YOU ONLY KNOW HOW DISAPPOINTED I WAS IN KISHI FOR THAT!!! 2 clones == Rasengan, 3 clones== Rasenshiruken... anyhow you look at it, its DAFT :p Naruto's chakra capacity is what allowed him to perform this, I can't see it being much more than that sadly...
Naruto already surpasses him in POWER that was never a dispute, however power isn't very useful without knowing how to control it, and as it stands he cannot thus sasuke has the edge atm. I want Naruto to surpass or at least equal Sasuke beleive me, I was CUSSING wondering what naruto was doing for 2 years PTS seeing as Sasuke was LEAPS AND BOUNDS above in terms and skill. But at the same time to say that Naruto has shown his superiority to Sasuke is well FUD imho at least ATM!
also, kakashi can also do kage bunshin so therefore he can also do the completly ridiculous mega learnings of many clones all at once jutsu that kishi pulled out of his a$$ just like winny said.
And how can you say that naruto has more potential to learn jutsu than sasuke???
lol?? lets go over the amount of jutsu's naruto is known to use.
as for saying he can only copy what his body can handle
have we ever seen sasuke copy somethign and then falter??
hes not kakashi he has a genuine fortified uchiha body
as well as juin 2!!
which has provided him a ridiculous amount of chakura!!
"As an aside I don't remember Sasuke knowing space time teleportation."
Deidara. Manda. Explosion. Deus Ex Machina. Etc
for one, your severely downplaying the amount of chakura that sasuke has @ juin 2
and making be all and end all claims out of speculation!!
we have not seen sasuke at max potential yet you claim that its an indisputable fact that x y z
what kinda argument is that?
you keep on disregarding sasuke's potential to learn jutsu's via sharingan
and placing naruto's potential over that of sasuke's
yet naruto with all this supposed potential has 5 jutsu's to his name!!
then of course yu go saying sasuke doesnt know space time jutsu when its right there in the manga but whatever, things like cannon facts/no guess work needed cause kishi straight up said so, means nothing to you right?
ill ask another thing
surely itachi knows kage bunshin and surely he has a massive pool of chakura
if it takes naruto 20 years to learn something
are you saying it would take itachi 100 years to learn it as well??
On another note Exar, keep in mind Jaraiya took out the 3 bodies of Pain when facing JUST 3! and to say that Kakashi isn't able to perform as powerful a genjutsu whilst so far we would be inclined to believe, remember he does possess the Sharingan and after his encounter with Itachi's Mangekyou its is HIGHLY unlikely that he hasn't been preparing himself for resisting and potentially using a genjutsu of that calibre.
I do agree with you on the Rasenshiruken being an extremely difficult jutsu to perform, I just think that the Chakra reserve is what gives him the edge. I would sumise that sasuke with similar capabilities in terms of reserves and clone training too could acheive, however it IS so far the most powerful Ninjutsu attack we've seen to date (save the K-O-Ken of the 4 tails used against Oro which would definitely be more destructive OR the suicide of Deidara which was even more destructive).
The edge in performing it certainly, but what about in learning it?
Sasuke took three months to learn Chidori, Naruto took a couple weeks to learn Rasengan(a far more impressive feat in itself). Sasuke has Kakashi constantly training him, Naruto had to make due with a general instruction while Jiraiya did 'research'.
This is the other point I want to drive home, Naruto's learning capability has been shown to far exceed any other ninja.
It's funny you talk about me dodging points Crixx (I haven't) but yet if there's one constant in this entire debate it's you continually stating false information. Naruto using kyuubi chakra for rasenshuriken, him needing Kakashi to spin the chakra for him, Sasuke knowing space-time jutsu.
second, synch provided a link right there showing kakashi making a rasengan for naruto to do the rasenshuriken
i was mistaken about him needing to do that for him in battle, but the proof is right there that kakashi had to do it for him at first! look its right there in black and white!!
The one problem with this idea is that his variety of jutsu doesn't support this at ALL. If he was so good at learning one would think by now he would have learnt more from jaraiya either by begging or in training, but after 1+ year he hasn't learnt much AT ALL. That is the one problem that leads me to no consider him more able than sasuke atm. Now imho he should use the 1000 clone training and study every jutsu from EVERY clan in the whole of konoha as well as read every war log or battle related text that Konoha has to offer, could you IMAGINE how uber he would be if he did that for say.. a month? ah well... pipe dream immc!
first off, most of the time in pst we see naruto with his eyes fox like and his teeth are now fangs
obviously at these times, hes heated and the kyuubi chakura is flowing into him changing his appearance and duh giving him chakura for his jutsu's. So iam not lying about that
second, synch provided a link right there showing kakashi making a rasengan for naruto to do the rasenshuriken
i was mistaken about him needing to do that for him in battle, but the proof is right there that kakashi had to do it for him at first! look its right there in black and white!!
thats why karin couldnt detect his chakura anymroe! because he moved out of space and time to avoid the brunt of the damage and then got summoned by suigetsu!!
As for kakashi
what he does is NOT MS that is something entirely different as stated by himself.
So dont dare put him in the same class as itachi
and as for amaterasu
thats a jutsu of the sun god!! how much chakura do yu imagine that takes to pull off??
jiraiya was confident that it was impossible to break free of the frogs throat!! and then itachi burnt it away
jiraiya had never even seen anything like that before and had to seal it away to study it!! once again
how awesome do yu have to be to surprise jiraiya?? when ur 18 no less!!!!
third and 4thly
Itachi and sasuke, can both learn kage bunshin, no worries there
jutsu controlled by hand seals, and even if they can some how only make 100 clones
that would be 100 clones with the leet haxx of sharingans!! they can more than learn the hell out of rasengan and any other jutsu!!
also, yu focus so much on naruto's chakura shape and wind manipulation that you seem to forget that sasuke has fire and electricity manipulation abilities! and that he has been seen doing chakura shape manipulation now!!
so that probably means that his THAT jutsu will manipulate fire, electricity AND shape!!!
thats three fields compared to naruto's two!!
umm exar when naruto fought oro he wasnt 12 O.o hes 16
So that whole summoning manda to save sasuke argument is pretty much null and void.
And about kakashi and the rasenshuriken
If you would do us the favour and recall what happened there.
Naruto could not wrap his little mind around the concept of molding both wind nature and shaping chakura, he could do one or the other but not both.
So kakashi told him to do his wind rasengan, which is just a swirling ball of wind chakura
and then kakashi told him to press his wind rasengan against kakashi's normal rasengan
and thus the rasenshuriken was born
after that, naruto told him it was like looking left and right at the same time
and kakashi told him it was simple, make one clone look left, and one clone look right
deux ex machina clone learning haxx no jutsu
and naruto then learns how to do it himself.
No need to deny kakashi had to show him how to do it buddy.
ANd once again, yu say that itachi and sasuke would produce patheticly weak clones right?
but up until very recently, naruto's clones have all been sniveling weaklings, yet he has been able to beat people using them right??
i'm sure he can learn basic Rasengan (kakashi probably copied it himself) and maybe do a RasenganChidori if he felt like it..
is it just me or does naruto's mom look like inoue...and now we know where naruto got that ridiculous grin from...
I think with the inspiration of being the 4th's son, naruto will finally utilize his potential and ability to what we all know he is capable of
Except he doesn't know that. And nobody is gonna tell him. The only people we know who know for sure are Tsunade and Kakashi and if they kept quiet to this point, no reason why they won't keep doing so.
Konoha in general either don't know or they know and were ordered to say nothing AND are the most ungrateful sacks of **** in the entire world. Because if they knew he was the son of their saviour, their greatest hero, and still treated him like trash all his life then they all need to collectively die in a fire.
The best chance for him to find out I think is when that toad gets to him and tells him about the key. But that isn't a dramatic way for him to learn about it and wouldn't make a good scene so he won't find out jack.
I think that's a pipe dream.
Naruto has to keep his underdog,winning by pure guts type look. And having him turn into a less experienced Jiraiya in 2 weeks won't allow that.
I see Sasuke being high ranking in Akatsuki if not the one responsible for summoning the tailed beasts. Sure its very 'Age of Apocalypse' esk and its a pipe dream, however it would make for a FANTASTIC setting where good is on the brink of destruction and we can have a truly EPIC underdog battle between good and evil, Naruto and Sasuke. If it comes to pass, remember where you read it first!
Yuh know i've been thinking... suppose Naruto already knows his dad was the 4th? I mean from the VERY first episode they made it known that Naruto wanted to surpass the 4th. Take the relationship between Asuma and the 3rd. We NEVER even KNEW he was his father and they NEVER showed much relation to each other in dialog (true he wasn't a critical character but still). Remember that Shinobi aren't supposed to let their emotions get in the way of their duty (so they say) and it's QUITE pluasible that Naruto has known all along, but with his dying when he was born, sealing him with a demon that made everyone fear him, he wouldn't openly express his feelings save in the form of wanting to surpass him for the village to acknowledge his existence and significance.
Goodnight Obito theory. Pain says it straight out. It's Madara and he's the boss. Plotoi!
One thing confuses me though, why is Sasuke constantly falling for genjutsu? Sharingan is supposed to be able to see through any genjutsu.
Also, the revelation that madara helped wipe out the clan, whoa! I can see this is gonna be a good year for the manga.
Sorry no.
Shodai straight up put a beating on Madara. By himself.
We have straight out statements from Jiraiya that Shodai and him duked it out at VotE and Shodai won. There's no talk anywhere of any coalition of the willing fighting him. And until there is, the manga evidence says it was a 1v1.
Just accept it Uchihaites, sharingan got owned.
Shodai is the original OG of the Narutoverse.
Itachi’s flashback
マダラと初代火影は戦闘に認識した、彼らは共同の理想を持っている。 その後マダラは一族の運命を認識する、マダラは邪念を生じた。
斑和出代火影在战斗中认识,他们有着共同的理想。之后斑意识到一族的命运,斑产生了邪念。
Madara and Shodaime knew each other in a war, they had the same idealism, but finally Madara realized the fate of his clan, and he started to become evil.
初代火影は苦しく諌止して、阻止することができません。兄の同じに親密な2人のよう、昔の友達、生死の相闘 。失敗のちに、数十年、マダラ皆は復讐にいて。
初代火影苦苦劝阻,还是没有阻止。和兄弟一样亲密的两人,昔日的好友,生死的相斗。失败之后,数十年斑都在 复仇。
Shodaime bitterly persuaded Madara but it didn’t work., the two brother-like relationship fellows, good friends, fought each other. After he lost, in 10years, Madara was planning for revenge.
イタチ「友情をみなす恨み、これはうちは一族の運命です、これは汚れた一族です」
鼬「把友情认为仇恨,这就是宇智波一族的命运,这就是肮脏的一族」
Itachi: taking friendship as hatred, that’s Uchiha’s fate, that dirty clan
イタチ「仮に私はあなたの両眼を奪い取、あなたはすぐに苦痛を経歴する、あなたとナルト、マダラと初代火影と同様です。私を殺したの後、あなたはすぐにどんな道を行くか?あなたの生存の意義は復讐することです、だから私を殺したの後、なかった生存の意義であるあなた、うちは一族の邪にあなたの体が現にいる」
鼬「即使我不夺取你双眼,你也将经历痛苦,你和鸣人就像斑和初代火影。你杀了我之后,你将走什么道路?你的 生存意义在于复仇,所以杀了我之后,没有生存意义的你,宇智波一族的邪恶在你身上体现。」
Itachi: Even though I didn’t take your both eyes, you will still live in pain, Naruto and you are just like Madara and Shodaime. After you kill me, what path are you gonna take?
Your existence is only for revenge, so after you kill me, your life is nothing, and the evil Uchiha hiding inside of you will occur.
サスケ「あれは以後の事です!」
佐助「那是以后的事!」
Sasuke: I’ll save it for later (That’s my problem)
イタチ「ナルトの友情、あなたはとっくに忘れた、ただし彼まだ兄になることを。戦闘のちに、初代火影はまだ マダラを寻していると同様です、友達を探索して同様です。あなたとマダラ同様の邪悪、これは変わることがで きない事実です。」
鼬「鸣人的友情,你忘记了,但他现在还把你看成兄弟。就像战斗之后,初代火影还寻找斑的下落,就像寻找朋友 一样。你和斑一样邪恶,这是无法改变的事实」
Itachi: You have forgotten your friendship with Naruto, while he still considers you as a brother. Even after the fight, Shodaime continued tracking Madara, as if searching a friend, You and Madara are both evil, this fact cannot be changed.
イタチ「あなたに目的が活きていなくて、邪にあなたが現にいる、あなたの昔の友達を傷害する。 」
鼬「让你没有目的活着,体现邪恶,伤害你的昔日朋友」
Itachi: Letting you live purposeless life, becoming evil and hurting your old friend
イタチ「及ばなくてあなたは瞳に私を与える サスケ!」
鼬「不如将你的眼睛给我,佐助!」
Itachi: You’d better give your eyes to me Sasuke…!
サスケ「……」
佐助「……」
Sasuke …….
終
The end
Quote片目を取られて呆然とするサスケェ
Sasuke's in a daze from having an eye taken
鼬「もう片方も貰うぞ」
Itachi: "One more eye left for me."
サスケェ、鼬から離れる。鼬、片目をしまう
Sasuke gets away from Itachi, sans one eye from Itachi
鼬「これが力の差だ、お前とオレの瞳力の差だ」
Itachi: "This is the difference in power between us. The difference in the power of our eyes."
鼬、サスケェの背後に回り羽交い絞め
Itachi has Sasuke's arms bound behind his back
ゼツ「案外早かったね。イタチの勝ちだ」
Zetsu: "Well, that was surprisingly quick. Itachi won."
右目を抉り出される刹那何か時間が止まったのか止まってないのか分からん描写
The moment the left eye is gouged out, there's some scene where we don't know if time has stopped or not
ゼツ「だって月読食らったんだよ。もう動けないんだからあとは好きに料理できるでしょ・・・あ れ?」
Zetsu: "Then again, he DID take that Tsukuyomi blast full-on. He won't be moving anymore, so I wonder if I can help myself to a nice little snack afterwa-....wait huh?"
サスケェの両目は無事
Sasuke's eyes are safe and sound
サスケェ「ハァハァ・・・(ニヤッ 言ったハズだ。アンタがその眼をいくら使おうがこの俺の憎しみで幻は現 実になると」
Sasuke: *huff* *huff* "I thought I told you. It doesn't matter how many times you use your eyes. Hatred will make my dream a reality."
鼬「その台詞、そのまま返しておこう。さっきの月読で己の眼がもがれる幻は見ただろう。ならばそれを現実に してやる」
Itachi: "I'll say the same thing back at you. You saw for yourself the illusion of your eyes submerged through that Tsukuyomi. Now I'll make it a reality."
ゼツ「鼬の醸す空気が変わった!本気になったようだ・・・あの天照が見れるかもしれんぞ
え!天照を!?そりゃ楽しみだ、やっぱこっち来て正解だった!!」
Zetsu: "Itachi's mood has changed! Looks like he's taking it serious. May even be able to see that Amaterasu of his."
"Huh!? See Amaterasu! Ooh, can't wait to see that! I knew coming here was the right thing!"
鼬、印を結ぶポーズでおわし
It ends with Itachi forming seals
the difference is itachi is going BLIND faster every time he does it , sasuke could abuse his sharingan all he wants , its not killing him.
「一瞬だ」「この○は天照と同じだ…絶対にかわすことは出来ない」
「さて…ご希望どおり再現しよう…」「アンタの死に様を…」
Just in an instant. this is equal to Amaterasu, definitely cannot be avoided.
Next, I'm gonna make you see your death again
Zetsu: Unbelievable! He put out fire with fire! Simply focusing your sight on the target makes it burst into black flames! These won't extinguish until the target's been charred to a crisp - works even on fire itself!
Amaterasu erupts on Sasuke's wing.
Sasuke: Guaaah!
Zetsu: So Itachi wins after all! He's stopped Amaterasu. He's going after his eyes.
As Itachi attempts to touch Sasuke's collapsed body, it melts away. Orochimaru's kawarimi!
Sasuke: Just the moment I've been waiting for! (He activates the curse seal level 2).
Itachi puts his hands to his eye and coughs blood repeatedly.
Sasuke "Katon, Gouryuuka no jutsu!"
(Gouryuuka: Grand Dragon Fire)
Dragon shaped flames strike Itachi's right arm.
Both (Sasuke and Itachi) are now panting violently.
Zetsu: They both look exhausted. I'd say they're out of chakra.
Sasuke's curse seal disappears.
Sasuke: I guess this'll be my last jutsu.
Itachi: Drop the act - sharingan detects chakra, and I can tell you're out of it.
Itachi: You used Orochimaru's kawarimi no jutsu to dodge Amaterasu. It's quite effective, but uses up a great deal of chakra.
Zetsu: Oh, I see. Since Sasuke absorbed Orochimaru...
Sasuke: Yeah, I'm out of chakra, alright - all of it went into that last Katon...but you really think I'd come here to kill you, without doing anything beforehand? It's the same...just like Amaterasu...you can't dodge it. Now then, the moment you've been waiting for: my rendition of your death!
Sasuke finally defeats Itachi! Next issue: "The ace up his sleeve!"
So if using Oro's technique takes so much chakra, Oro himself musta had one serious chakra pool as he was throwing it around like confetti even in his failing body.Yup, Oro was a DAN no two ways about it... just he was a pedo.. so minus chakra on him for dat...
Oro = teh awesome.
I think the funny thing is that for all the big talk Itachi has had surrounding him since his introduction, Deidara literally had Sasuke dead to rights if not for that snake bull****. And even then he woulda STILL be in snake world if Suigetsu didn't summon him out.... sounds like we need to revisit this arguament again
Deidara is really one of the baddest men it have once he take to the air.
"According to someone on AS[AnimeSuki?], the last pic is Itachi surviving Sasuke's jutsu and preparing his trump card against chakra less Sasuke, so maybe it will last a little while more. (even if the cloak means Itachi will die).
And can't wait for a translation of Itachi's lines."
"as the far as the images concren, we don't even know for sure what's going...just all pure speculation...but one thing's for sure: Sasuke does have an "exclamation" mark in his quotes, meaning he's shocked by something unexpected..."
ゼツ「天照と同じかわす事が出来ない術?
Zetsu: An unavoidable jutsu like Amaterasu?
一体どんな術だ?」
What in the world is this jutsu?
空から雷鳴がなる!
Thunder comes forth from the sky
ゼツ「そうかさっきのサスケの火遁はこの為か!
Zetsu: I see. That last Katon of Sasuke was for this!
どういう事?
What's the meaning of this?
あの火遁攻撃の狙いははなからイタチじゃなかったことだ!
That Katon attack wasn't ever meant for Itachi in the first place!
わざと火遁を空にうちあげて大気を急激に暖めて上昇気流を発生させたのだ!積乱雲、つまり雨雲 を作った!
He shot the Katon into the sky on purpose, causing an updraft through the sudden heating of the atmosphere. This created a cumuloninbus cloud, or in layman's terms, a rain cloud!
己のチャクラではなく、膨大な大気のエネルギーを利用して らいとんの術を行う気だ!とにかく人間がチャクラから性質変化で作るものとは規模が違うぞ」
It's not done with his own chakra. Rather, he uses the energy of the vast atmosphere to perform what would be the Raiton technique! Granted, the scope of this is on a different level than what people create from "nature manipulation".
Sasuke: This jutsu is made of lightnings falling from the sky. I’ll guide em to you.
Zetsu: Just as I thought… Off course it can’t be dodged… They’re faster than the speed of sound!
Sasuke: This jutsu is called “Kirin”.
Sasuke: Get lost with the thunders!
Sasuke raises is hand. A dragon shaped lightning hits Itachi. Itachi lies on the ground.
Zetsu: Itachi… is dead?
Sasuke: It’s over… (he draws back the sharingan).
Itachi: So… Wasn’t it meant to be the realization of my death?
Sasuke: Sh*t!
Itachi is wearing some kind of armour…
Itachi: Without this I wouldn’t be in this world anymore…
You really grew strong, Sasuke… Time to show you my last technique… It’s called Susanoo…
ohhh ladd this eries going real bad dude but wheeeyy @ incorporating culture and mythology into modern cultrue forms...
I've always liked the idea that at the end of the series, Naruto doesn't technically become the Hokage, but dies saving the village and perhaps sasuke... or by some twist sasuke become evil (maybe posssessed by madara or some other such ...pain) and Naruto take the ultimate plunge to save everyone thus dying like all the Hokage's before him to protect Konoha. And in the end he is recognised as the 6th Hokage though he never got all the ceremony etc. It'd be a traggic heroic ending but one that I personally wouldn't mind. If it comes to pass remember where yuh heard it first! lol
Hmm let me think about that... Sakura is a Genjutsu type nin as well as a med nin... Sasuke can use Genjutsu, as well as most he copies... Sakura is strong as heck... Sasuke is FAST as heck... I'm not quite seeing how their kids would be lame... in the best case scenario you'd end up with a sharingan toating, fast, strong, genjutsu specialist that can use multiple elements, heal themself and others AND copy others... i'm still not seeing your point Xero
Likely after he's finished with his revenge, he'll shack up with a girl somewhere and go about
'reviving the uchiha clan' .
Verification: Confirmed
Source: Vered & Hexa @ NF (original by Doku)
Credits: Translation by Iwanin
Just a note: the spoiler is from Doku, so it's legit.
It's the same that's been posted previously, but this translation is er, more accurate.
Amen.
EDIT: Inserted pocketmofo's trans for the explanation of what Susanowo looks like...
サスケ[スサノオ?]
Sasuke: Susanowo?
イタチ[月読と天照、二つの能力を開眼した時にこの目に宿ったもう一つの術だ。 お前の術はこれで終わりか?隠している力があるなら出し惜しみしなくていいぞ。ここからが本番だ…」
Itachi: A jutsu I acquired upon awakening both Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu. Have any jutsu left? If you do, now's the time to use them, because this is it...
ゼツ「空が晴れていく、さっきの術は一発が限界のようだな」
Zetsu: The sky is clearing...looks like that jutsu's just good for one blast...
イタチの周りの骨みたいのが実体化してくる。山伏みたいなスタンドみたいだな(笑)
The bones around itachi begin to materialize.*
*pocketmofo's trans on the description for Susanowo: It looks kinda like a monk (called a Yamabushi who generally live deep in the mountains and who Tengu often dress like) or a “stand” out of Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure (*laugh*).
サスケの頭の中で大蛇丸が囁く。
Orochimaru whispers into in Sasuke's mind...
大蛇丸「あげるわ。私が力を貸してあげるわ。」
Orochimaru: I'll be more than glad to share...you can have my power, darling...
サスケ[くそっ…」サスケひざまずく。
Sasuke: Dammit! (falls to his knees).
大蛇丸「私が必要なんでしょ…イタチに復習するんじゃなかったの?さぁ私の力を解き放ちなさい。そうすればあなたの願いは…」
Orochimaru: You need me, Yes? Was it not revenge on Itachi you were after? Well then, release my powers...and I shall make your wish come true!
サスケの肩から白蛇が膨れ上がる!ヤマタノ大蛇出現!
White snakes erupt from Sasuke's shoulders! Yamata no Orochi appears!
イタチ[この感じ大蛇丸のヤマタノ術か…」
Itachi: This sensation...Orochimaru's Yamata no Justu...
ゼツ「なんだありゃ?サスケ自身のチャクラが無くなったのにも関わらず無理に力を出そうとしたからだ!取り込んで抑えてた大蛇丸のチャクラが表へ…!」
Zetsu: What the hell's happened just now? (the remainder of the dialogue is probably the other Zetsu's answer) Sasuke kept pushing himself despite the fact he was out of chakra, that's what! Orochimaru's chakra, which he'd managed to suppress until now, was set free!
スサノオが剣を作る!
Susanowo creates a sword!
ヤマタノ大蛇が襲いかかる。スサノオ剣で頭を切り落とす!
残った蛇の口から大蛇丸がでてくる!(笑)
Yamata no Orochi attacks! Susanowo chops its heads off! Orochimaru emerges from the mouth of the final snake.
大蛇丸「アハハハーー!ううえっ…」
Orochimaru: Aahahahah!
口から剣を出す。
He produces a sword from his mouth.
ゼツ「相変わらず口からゲロゲロとキモイヤツだなぁ。文字通り蛇のようにしつこいヤツだ]
Zetsu: Hasn't lost the disgusting habit of spewing in battle... He's persistent, I'll give 'im that.
大蛇丸「これよ!これを待ってたのよ!あなたのおかげでサスケくんの抑えのチャクラが消えてくれたわ!これを機にあの子の体は私が頂く!そして…!え?]
Orochimaru: This is it! This is what I've been waiting for! I must thank you for depleting the chakra that restrained me! Now I make this boy's body my own... and then! Eh?
スサノオの剣が大蛇丸を貫く!
Susanowo's sword cuts Orochimaru through!
大蛇丸「この程度の攻撃でこの私がやられると思って…!この剣はまさか…十拳剣?イタチアナタが隠しもって…くっ!]
Orochimaru: You think an attack such as this is enough to defeat - ! This sword...it can't be... Totsuka no Tsurugi? Itachi, you'd been hiding this ... kuh!
大蛇丸が溶けてなくなる。
Orochimaru melts away into nothing.
ゼツ「通りでいくら捜しても見つからないはずだ…実体のない霊剣だったとはな。十拳剣。別名酒刈太刀と呼ばれる封印剣」
Zetsu: No wonder it was nowhere to be found...to think it was a spirit sword devoid of matter...Totsuka no Tsurugi. A sealing sword, also know as ????? (dunno how these characters are supposed to be read: to begin with, I'm not sure the Totsuka no Tsurugi reading, which is the only one I found for those characters, is correct.)
ゼツ「突き刺した者を酔夢の幻術世界に永久に飛ばし封じ込めてしまうと呼ばれる…剣そのものが封印術を帯びた草薙剣の一振りだ…ずっと大蛇丸が探していた剣だ…瞳力…それにこれだけの術やっぱりイタチはすっげー強え!
Zetsu: A Kusanagi no Tsurugi embued with Sealing Jutsu, it is said those it pierces are forever sealed away in dreamlike state of genjutsu...Orochimaru's been looking for it forever...He boasts not just Douryoku...but jutsu this powerful as well! Itachi's really something, alright!
*Douryouku: power of doujutsu (lit. eye power).
サスケの体からヤマタノ大蛇が切り離されスサノオのトックリ?に吸い込まれていく。サスケひざまずいたまま。
Yamata no Orochi is split from Sasuke's body and swalloed by Susanowo's (turtleneck?). Sasuke remains on his knees.
イタチ[仕上げだ…サスケ」
Itachi: It's over...Sasuke.
その目を狙いイタチがにじり寄る!
Itachi approaches to claim the eyes!
次号[オレの目…」へ!
Next time: My eyes!
Totsuka no Tsurugi (十拳剣), or "The Sword Ten Hands Long", was first used by Izanagi to kill his son, the fire god Kagutsuchi, who killed his wife, Izanami, during childbirth. After trying to retrieve Izanami from Yomi (the underworld), Izanagi went through a cleansing ritual in which Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo were spawned from his eyes and nose.
More relevant to this chapter of Naruto, the Totsuka no Tsurugi was also used by Susanoo to kill the Yamata no Orochi. The blade of the sword broke as he did this, but within the Yamata no Orochi he found the Kusanagi no Tsurugi.
Though she was persuaded to leave the cave, Susanoo was punished by being banished from Heaven. He descended to the province of Izumo, where he met an elderly couple. Seven of their eight daughters had been devoured by the eight-headed serpent Yamata-no-Orochi and it was about to come for the eighth, Kushinada-hime (櫛名田比売, Kushinada-hime?). After the couple promised their daughter's hand in marriage to Susano'o, he agreed to slay Orochi. With the aid of eight bowls of sake (one for each head), Susano'o decapitated the monster once it had fallen asleep.
From one of Orochi's tails, Susanoo pulled out a sword, which he named Ama-no-Murakumo-no-Tsurugi ("Sword of the Gathering Clouds of Heaven"), later known as the Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi. The sword was presented to Amaterasu as a reconciliation gift and was later given to her descendant Ninigi along with the Yata-no-Kagami (a mirror) and magatama (sacred jewels) as proof of his divine right to rule.
i think yanking out his eyes would kill him... yeaaahh....They brought back Gaara..... blind sasuke it is!!! lol
Susanoo absorbs the giant snakes, but a white snake escapes.
Zetsu: What on earth is that jutsu of Itachi's?
Itachi keeps coughing.
Zetsu: This so-called Susanoo is accompanied by a fairly high risk... but since Sasuke's Sharingan has already been deactivated and Orochimaru's power has also been removed from him, isn't it Itachi's victory?
Itachi: Your eyes are mine... I will take them now.
"cough, cough" Itachi coughes out a lot of blood.
Zetsu: Huh, what's going on? Something doesn't look right.
Susanoo is vanishing.
Grabbing this chance, Sasuke throws out a kunai.
Susanoo blocks it with his remaining physical form.
Itachi's eyes keep bleeding, but he continues to advance. Itachi's slowly approaching!
Sasuke: Shit!
He takes out a scroll and throws another kunai but it is blocked by Susanoo with his shield.
Zetsu: That so-called Susanoo, his shield can bounce back all the attacks. It's one of the three sacred treasures, the mirror Yata no Kagami that is claimed to be capable of bouncing back all the attacks. Together with Totsuka no Tsurugi that's used in offense, it's totally invincible.
Itachi: My eyes...mine...
Sasuke hurls out the sword fasten on his waist. Again, it's blocked by Susanoo.
"Guu" Sasuke can't escape because Susanoo has transformed into a wall.
Itachi extends his hand towards Sasuke's eyes. Sasuke's knees tremble.
Itachi is mumbling something but it's inaudible.
Sasuke:!
Itachi extends his fingers towards Sasuke's eyes, but at this very moment he suddenly loses his consciousness. His fingers hit Sasuke's forehead.
Sasuke is petrified (only figuratively :P). Susanoo disappears. Itachi collapses. Zetsu sweats. Meanwhile, another white snake escapes.
An abrupt ending for the fight to the death. Why? Next chapter, Sasuke's victory.
My reaction to the first 3/4 of the chapter: OMG ORO! PLOTOI!! KISHI I LOVE YOU!!
My reaction at the end of the chapter: He ent even last half a chapter...dat soooo lame...somebody bring out Kisame quick/I wonder if the new Bleach chapter out.
Tobi: .... you must listen (as it is your responsibility?)
For all shinobi... for all of those in Konoha, and ultimately for his little brother, he had risked his life. Your brother Uchiha Itachi's admirable way of life!
I read this week's chapter and one thought stuck out in my mind:" WHOAMG Bleach really heatin up yes!"
No that isn't a typo.
That's my reaction to this pathetically obvious plot revelation. Why de eff we can't jus have men bein evil for bein evil sake anymore? I is de only youth who grow up watchin 80s cartoons? Bring back the evil for evil sake, every other mofo these days have some kinda sad story to redeem him.
I don't need my villains being evil for evil's sake. I just don't need my clearly well fleshed out villains being deus ex machina'd into being good and I hate shyamalanian styled plot twists. I'll reserve any further opinion to see if he intends to make Itachi a sympathetic character or a well-intentioned sociopath. Either way he has a lot of hole to plug now. Especially itachi's maniacal show of emotion in his last battle there and reason as to why he chose to go about it that way more than "he wanted to push him forward", because that would be stupid. Even for Shonen.
Translation: Iwanin
This is the spoiler from Ona-shi, as posted by Helltroll, from Conan's post. It might have originated from 2ch, I dunno, but since it matches the pictures, I'm translating it.
Can't be sure it's true, of course.
文が下手なのは仕方ないんだからね///
No complaining about the lousy text, ok!
(Note: the following is the spoiler provider paraphrasing/copying Madara's lines - Iwa).
「柱間は木の葉ができる前から火影を名乗っていた
柱間率いる千手一族はどの忍びからも一目おかれ恐れられていた
千手が動けばうちはが動く
奴等を相手に出来るのうちはくらいだった
千手を雇えば対立国はうちはをやとう……柱間と対立するうちオレのなもどんどん知られた」
"Hashirama had been calling himself "Hokage" sinde before Konoha was created. The Senjuu clan he led was feared and respected by all shinobi.
When the Senjuu moved, so did the Uchiha.
The Uchiha were the only ones who could fight them evenly.
If one country hired Senjuu, it's enemy would hire the Uchihas...and I, who would take on Hashirama himself, quickly attained renown."
サスケ「名をあげるために弟の眼を奪ったのか?」
まだら「名をあげるためではない
弟は自ら眼を差し出したのだ」
Sasuke: You took your brother's eyes in your quest for renown?
Madara: Not for renown. My brother offered me his eyes.
マダラは拳(正確には左手で右手の腕を)をにぎる
Madara clenches his fists (more precisely, he grasps his right arm with his left hand).
(Madara's narration continues - Iwa)
「だが千手はうちはに休戦を申し出た
うちははこれに同意した
だがオレは休戦に一人反対した
今までの憎しみは?弟はなんのために犠牲になったのだ?」
「いずれうちはは千手に駆逐されてしまうと思えてならなかったが皆は休戦を望んでいたのでオレはリーダーと して仕方なく意思を汲み取った」
"But the Senjuu offered the Uchiha a truce."
"The Uchiha accepted."
"I alone was opposed to it."
"Was I to simply cast aside the rancor? Was my brother's sacrifice to be for naught? Though tormented by the suspicion the Senjuu would sooner or later turn on the Uchiha, the truce was what every last man in the clan desired - so reluctantly, I accepted."
まだらと柱間が握手をする
Madara and Hashirama shake hands.
「それから程なく我らは火の国との協定にこぎつける
火の国と木の葉隠れの里だ
この一国一里のシステムをあらゆる国が真似た
それにより争いもなくなる
ひとたびの平和だ」
「だが木の葉はある出来事により混乱におちいる」
"Not long after, we reached an arrangement with Fire Country - and thus was born the Village of Konoha Gakure . The arrangement of one village per country was adopted by all, thus putting an end to strife. A transitory peace was reached."
"Then, a certain event would rattle the village ."
サスケ「?」
Sasuke: ?
(Madara continues - Iwa)
まだら「初代火影の座だ
火の国も里の皆も柱間を選んだ
うちはの主権が遠ざかるからオレは柱間と対峙する道を選んだがうちはの者でさえオレについて来るものはいな かった
オレは叩かれそれどころか弟の眼を奪った欲深いあにだと言われた………どこに好き好んで弟を傷つける兄がい る?オレはうちはを守りたかっただけだ……!オレは里を出た」
「復讐者となり里に戦いを挑んだ」「オレは敗れた……オレはあそこで死んだ………とされている。柱間でさえ そう思ったはずだ」「柱間の弟であり二代目は反逆者を出さない為に信頼の証としてうちはに警務部隊の役職を 与えた
しかし実際は監視かに置くためだった
その意図に気付いたうちはの者もいてオレの意思を次ぐ奴も出てきた
"The position of Hokage. Both Fire Country and the Villagers chose Hashirama. Fearing our clan's power would be compromised, I presented myself as his challenger - yet there was none, even among the Uchiha, who would follow me. They didn't stop at slander, but even went so far as to claim I was a man whose lust for power had driven him to steal his younger brother's eyes...and I ask you, is there a man out there who would take pleasure in hurting his younger brother? What I did, I did to protect the clan, and no more... so I left."
"I became an avenger, and waged battle against the village*...lost...and died...or so it's believed. I'm sure Hashirama figured as much himself. His younger brother, The Second, lest traitors should arise within the Uchiha ranks, gave the clan the position of police as a token of his trust. In reality, the idea was to keep them under surveillance. More than one Uchiha caught on to the fact, and began to sympathize with my position."
*This line corresponds to the first spoiler image.
(Madara's narration continues - Iwa)
時すでに遅し…うちはは千手の犬に成り下がっていた」
"Too little, too late...the Uchiha had already been relagated to being the Senjuu's lapdogs."
「そしてある事件でうちはは完全に駆逐される」
16年前の九尾来襲だ
"And one incident would seal the animosity towards them: the Kyuubi's attack 16 years ago*."
(*This line roughly coincides with the line in the image described as "fake." If you want my opinion, if the spoiler is true than most likely the image is *NOT* fake, just *RECYCLED.* It's been recycled over and over in the manga already, and there's nothing odd about it being recycled here for Madara's line - Iwa.)
ちょっと疲れたから後は簡単でいい?
そう?ありがと
I'm kinda tired, so you guys mind if I just summarize the rest? No? Thanks*!
(*comment by the spoiler poster - Iwa).
それをうちはがやったと勘ぐったのがダンゾウと相談役二人
九尾は天災でうちはは関係していないのに反逆を狙ったとか色々言われた
それ以降はうちはは暗部により監視されまくり
里から隔離された
The two advisors and Danzou mistakenly believed it was the Uchiha's doing. Despite the fact the Kyuubi's attack had been a natural disaster, it was said the Uchiha had revolted and such. From that point on, the Uchiha were kept under strict Anbu surveillance. They were segregated from the village.
三代目は隔離に意義を唱えたがみんな認めなかった
The Third extolled the virtues of segregation, but they (the Uchiha) weren't happy.
そしてうちは一族里を乗っとる為にはクーデターを企んだ
それを阻止したのが
The clan plotted to take over the village by executing a Coup d'etat. And the man responsible for stopping it was...
「お前の兄うちはイタチだ
そこから奴の地獄は始まったのだ」
"Your brother, Uchiha Itachi. And that's when his nightmare began."
これで今週は終わり
まだらが語っただけだった
FROM オナ師
"And that's how it ends. It was all Madara talking. From Ona-shi"
I'm not pleased. Long and short of it.Tough :p
It's also clear that Madara is telling sasuke a half-truth.
Itachi is dead and now his only role in life will be to revive the clan.
ガクッと落ち込むサスケにイタチはいつもの指を額にあて「許せサスケ」をする
As usual, Itachi poked Sasuke who felt down and say “Forgive me Sasuke”
場面は変わり新しい手裏剣術~の話(昔の回想シーンで出てきた奴。)
*The scene changed. Appears the flashback of the Shuriken scene which was used before.*
サスケ「また今度修行してくれる?」
Sasuke: Would you train me again?
イタチ「ああ。ただオレも任務があるしお前も明日から学校だから二人の時間がそうとれなくなる だろうけどな 」
Itachi: Yes. But I have missions and you must go to school tomorrow, it’s difficult to have time for us now.
サスケ微笑みながら「それでもいい……たまに一緒にいてくれれば」
Sasuke was smiling and say,” It’s okay, if you are with me sometime.”
そしてうちは全滅する前の日のシーン
*The scene of the day before the Uchiha massacre.*
手裏剣術の教えを乞うサスケにイタチは「許せサスケ………また今度だ」
Sasuke ask Itachi to teach Shuriken. Itachi says,”Forgive me Sasuke...next time.”
お前の越える壁としてオレは―お前と共にあり続ける―――たとえ憎まれようとも……それが兄貴 ってもんだ
I will exist as your wall to overcome...I will be with you....if you hate me...This is what the brother is.
そしてイタチ最後のシーン
*Itachi’s last scene*
サスケに近づき目に指を指すかとおもえば額に指を指し
Aproaching Sasuke, Itachi’s finger looked to reach Sasuke’s eye but it went to his forhead.
笑いながら
smiling...
This is the last part of the first spoiler.
イタチ「許せサスケ………これで最後だ」
Itachi: Forgive me Sasuke... it ends with this.
泣くサスケ
Sasuke cries.
後ろからマダラとサスケの仲間三人がサスケを見る
Behind Sasuke, Madara and Hebi members looks at Sasuke.
サスケ「我らは蛇を脱した」「これより我ら小隊は名を゛鷹゛と改め行動する」「鷹の目的はただひとつ。我々 は――――」
Sasuke: "We are not Team Hebi anymore. " From now on, we call our squad Hawk. " "The mission of Hawk is only one. We..."
マダラがサスケを見る
Madara see Sasuke.
サスケアップ。そしてマンゲとも普通のとも違う新しい眼に
Sasuke's face was closed up. He has new eyes different from normal eye and normal Sharingan.
「木の葉を潰す」
"...I/we destroy Konoha."
Sidetext:
鷹の次なる行く先は?その頃なるとは!?次号「目的」へ!
Where does Hawk go next? What does Naruto do now?
Next issue "The purpose"
Ugh. Ughhhhh.*W1nTry looks at Sync with an estranged expression...* Qua? considering your disappointment in the series lately, what exactly did that mean?
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
I can't even bring myself to argue as to why this is so terrible. Ario begins to touch upon my opinion but hey...you know what...if you guys like it then fantastic. I, however, don't think I can enjoy this manga like I used to. Not particularly because the story is going in this direction, which I am not opposed to, but rather, the poor manner in which it has been implemented since. It's just poor writing and Kishimoto can do much better than this.
What I find so terribly absurd, is that Sasuke in now in league with a man who directly responsible for his clan's massacre; a man who assisted genocide simply due to his contempt for a clan which, in his opinion, spurned him...as opposed than taking his brother's (the same brother which he so claimed to love, which he just had revealed to him loved him so desperately that he did all he absolutely could to protect him) noble example and putting country and peace beyond self. Never mind the directive was disseminated from the rogue (but somewhat rational) orders of a fringe entity within Konoha (Danzo/Root) rather than than of the rank and file leadership.
The only way the justify this at all...is if he eventually reveals that Sasuke has been so emotionally traumatized and stunted by all his fighting and all his corrupted perceptions and deceit he has experienced that he is in severe denial or perhaps, he suffers from some sort of severe savant autism. But this is Shonen. So that's unlikely. It's just poor writing.
I can't even bring myself to argue as to why this is so terrible. Ario begins to touch upon my opinion but hey...you know what...if you guys like it then fantastic. I, however, don't think I can enjoy this manga like I used to. Not particularly because the story is going in this direction, which I am not opposed to, but rather, the poor manner in which it has been implemented since. It's just poor writing and Kishimoto can do much better than this.
What I find so terribly absurd, is that Sasuke in now in league with a man who directly responsible for his clan's massacre; a man who assisted genocide simply due to his contempt for a clan which, in his opinion, spurned him...as opposed than taking his brother's (the same brother which he so claimed to love, which he just had revealed to him loved him so desperately that he did all he absolutely could to protect him) noble example and putting country and peace beyond self. Never mind the directive was disseminated from the rogue (but somewhat rational) orders of a fringe entity within Konoha (Danzo/Root) rather than than of the rank and file leadership.
The only way the justify this at all...is if he eventually reveals that Sasuke has been so emotionally traumatized and stunted by all his fighting and all his corrupted perceptions and deceit he has experienced that he is in severe denial or perhaps, he suffers from some sort of severe savant autism. But this is Shonen. So that's unlikely. It's just poor writing.
pfffffttttttt HATER!! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh sasuke sama daimo !! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
wtf pwnage level epenis /inkepenis whos yourdadyism is about to be engaged!!!
i predict
quick strike
tsunade is masacred, alongside danzou and root
then the jounins start jumping in and level humongobattlezoids begins
we then get a guest appearance by aizen who deems sasuke a worthy second in command
and leaves to proceed to wtf pwn soul society ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
it is later revealed that sasuke and itachi were really aizens children ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
the quality has dropped yes , but the twist was totally unexpected...
At this point in time we have no idea what future events may hold... Besides an eventual Naruto - Sasuke matchup.
I can't even bring myself to argue as to why this is so terrible. Ario begins to touch upon my opinion but hey...you know what...if you guys like it then fantastic. I, however, don't think I can enjoy this manga like I used to. Not particularly because the story is going in this direction, which I am not opposed to, but rather, the poor manner in which it has been implemented since. It's just poor writing and Kishimoto can do much better than this.
What I find so terribly absurd, is that Sasuke in now in league with a man who directly responsible for his clan's massacre; a man who assisted genocide simply due to his contempt for a clan which, in his opinion, spurned him...as opposed than taking his brother's (the same brother which he so claimed to love, which he just had revealed to him loved him so desperately that he did all he absolutely could to protect him) noble example and putting country and peace beyond self. Never mind the directive was disseminated from the rogue (but somewhat rational) orders of a fringe entity within Konoha (Danzo/Root) rather than than of the rank and file leadership.
The only way the justify this at all...is if he eventually reveals that Sasuke has been so emotionally traumatized and stunted by all his fighting and all his corrupted perceptions and deceit he has experienced that he is in severe denial or perhaps, he suffers from some sort of severe savant autism. But this is Shonen. So that's unlikely. It's just poor writing.
Sasuke has always thinks like this.agreed... he's just about vengeance... and will always be
When he thougth itachi destroy there clan, and murdered there parents, he went on a one man mission to destroy itachi, which is what itachi wanted.
Now that he feels detrayed by konoha, he's doing what he always does- try and take revenge.
He's not really doing this for madara at all,but sasuke is being used, and probably doesn't care
Personally... i think there was a major shake up in the writing or something, what happen to the Kisame fight? the quality has dropped so much there has to be some sort of explanation , after all these years an artist/writer is supposed to be getting better , not worse
Sasuke has always been about revenge on those who destroyed the Uchiha clan , the manga just shifted the blame from Itachi to a certain sect in Konoha .
Personally... i think there was a major shake up in the writing or something, what happen to the Kisame fight? the quality has dropped so much there has to be some sort of explanation , after all these years an artist/writer is supposed to be getting better , not worse
I swear allyuh men readin ah different manga from me!
Naruto not equal to sasuke and cyar beat pein by himself and all dat rubbish. He is growing, and fast.
Think about sage level kage bushins, each with the ability to stand on their own. He is the perfect match
for the six faces of pein.
Add in his new fighting style, coupled with his ultra techniques and his unseen "that jutsu", seriously I will
swear all yuh talking about naruto at the level he was when he met sasuke at orochimaru's lair.
And look through the whole story, all 419 chapters, when naruto was face with adversity, he thinks extremely quick on his feet.
Finally if all else fail, we are gonna have one PISSED off fox waiting to reek havock on all. Say Naruto not ready for pein nah, the Jaraiya trained son of the Fourth. Go ahead.
UG, finally a man who seeing sense.
I swear, just because Naruto does act goofy everybody think he have nothing. He is THE quickest learner in the entire Narutoverse. His learning ability puts everybody to shame, from Orochimaru, to Sasuke, to Jiraiya. Pain seems to have been tailor built from the very beginning as an enemy for Naruto to beat.
Pain has six (seven) forms, well Naruto is the only person that can use kage bunshins to match him. Pain's realms are restricted to one capability so Naruto gains advantage due to kage bunshins having complete abilities. Pain kills Naruto's master, Naruto must avenge.
He is going to beat Pain, and I GLAD.
GLAD. GLAD. GLAD.
Lol at help? From who? Tsunade? If Kishi's hints mean anything she have death comin jus now. Kakashi? Yamato? Let's get real.
SASUKE? Ah ha ha! Until he get his ass handed to him he not fighting side by side with Naruto. And since I haven't posted here in a while lemme just say how GLAD I am that Sasuke gettin show up left and right. First Itachi humble him, then Killerbee would've killed him if not for Hawk and then he f***s up the capture. GLAD.
So accept it. Naruto gonna waste him. He was built for Naruto to beat. I swear, Crixx woulda be runnin up and down d bus route cussin if Sasuke had any 'help' fighting Itachi.
"WTMC, DAT SUPPOSE TO BE 1 V 1!!"
Let Naruto have his moment, he's grown far more than anybody else and is a bonafide badman for a while now.
and if yu have been reading the manga as yu claim to be, then "help" will not be any one ninja, it will be teh whole village probably + raikages squad.
rofl @ kage bunshins beating pein steups.
A man made a point early that yes pein ownt the man who schooled the sanins, but that was when they were young and inexperienced
well, pein killed that man and then killed teh uber expereinced jiraiya.
naruto is young an inexperienced, surely yu narunannies cannot be insinuating that he is badda than all three sanins plus salamander combined??
and if yu have been reading the manga as yu claim to be, then "help" will not be any one ninja, it will be teh whole village probably + raikages squad.
rofl @ kage bunshins beating pein steups.
A man made a point early that yes pein ownt the man who schooled the sanins, but that was when they were young and inexperienced
well, pein killed that man and then killed teh uber expereinced jiraiya.
naruto is young an inexperienced, surely yu narunannies cannot be insinuating that he is badda than all three sanins plus salamander combined??
Ya, Pain killed Jiraiya. Jiraiya in sage mode. A sage mode Naruto has already mastered to a point beyond Jiraiya's abilities. Doh play like Naruto is a nothing.
Naruto is far from well rounded but everything he does do he does at a level beyond Jounin, beyond Sannin, beyond Kages.
Chakra? Ya he bun all a dem combined.
Power attack? Rasenshuriken, nuff said.
General toughness? Sage mode, can't touch this.
Ace in the hole? He's big, orange and has nine tails.
Lol at the idea of the whole village coming together with raikage. You think dis is NATO or what? This is gonna be a one man show, and that man is Naruto.
Everybody only yappin yappin about Hanzou, but without a doubt Hanzou walk straight into death because he would have known nothing about Rinnegan, nothing about the fact that Nagato wasn't with the other realms. Jiraiya got the info he needed with his life. Naruto will be going into this better prepared than anyone who's ever fought Pain.
total fanboyism
/disregarded
He is THE quickest learner in the entire Narutoverse.
rofl @ kage bunshins beating pein steups.
A man made a point early that yes pein ownt the man who schooled the sanins, but that was when they were young and inexperienced
well, pein killed that man and then killed teh uber expereinced jiraiya.
naruto is young an inexperienced, surely yu narunannies cannot be insinuating that he is badda than all three sanins plus salamander combined??
You and I agree more often than not but he is not the quickest learner. Out of the obvious...Itachi and Sasuke are faster (Sharigan h4x>Kage Bunshin h4x). He's also not the quickest on his feet (although he's up there in terms of battle intelligence). Look see, the entire thing about Naruto in this manga is that he's not the greatest but that he makes the absolute best out of what he has.
And the most important part of this weeks manga??
ZOMG DID YU SEE THAT SEMI UPSKIRT ON INOUE??? ZOMG SHES SO HOT NOW YAY!!!
ZOMG DID YU SEE THAT SEMI UPSKIRT ON INOUE???? ZOMG SHES SO HOT NOW YAY!!!
ithought naruto was gonna single handedly fart bolts of epic f****** win an pwn pein by himself??
all that talk bout if this is nato?? hmmmm??
i think everyone is secretly loling @ my sig
but are afraid of blaspheming and all that to admit it
Now this is some BS. How d hell kishi could prevent the merge. He does have to make naruto the underdog all d time. And where guy and lee and hyuuga. I have a feeling something big coming
yu think konohamaru is going to rasengan him....seriously....
yu think konohamaru is going to rasengan him....seriously....
Wow Crixx, look like you wrong...again lol.
naruto goes back (looks shaded on a scroll, he has a cape thing like the 4th)
ナルト、あまりの惨劇に場所わからず
naruto can't recognize the place due to all the destruction
イルカ、シカマル親子、チョウジ親子、キバ親子は生きてる
iruka, shikamaru (father son) chouji (father son) kiba (mother son) are alive
カカシは1コマだけで生死わからず
kakashi...still not sure but he's in 1 panel.
ヒアシは留守だったみたい
hiashi was away from the town (or on patrol, not sure...)
綱手が創造再生してカツユに全チャクラを渡したから皆助かった模様(額マーク無くなる)
Tsuande has used souzouzaisei and given all her chakra to katsuya to help everyone (the mark on her forehead is gone)
閻魔が豆ペイン食べて豆ペイン復活
Enma eats 'bean' Pein who then comes back to life
天道に全チャクラ集めたのはリスク高く、コナンが看ると言っている
gathering all the chakra in tendou was risky, konan offers to treat him
豆ペインが綱手襲うもナルト瞬殺
bean pain goes after Tsunade but naruto kills him instantly.
4代目、ジライヤと重なる背中
He has the 4th and Jiraiya's at his back.
最後にナルト、ケリつけてやる!
Final page is naruto 'let's finish this'
Maybe it'd be better is I summarized it based on what I understand.
Naruto shows up in Sage Mode and has changed his costume which appears to be resemble something akin to Yondaime. He along with Gamabunta, Gamaken, and a Green Frog summon 400 frogs. Hinata is seen with two Hyuugas who at first were thought to be Hanabi and Hiashi but are actually just escorts for Hinata amid the rubble. At some point Hinata and Sakura are together and they see Naruto and Pain and comment on how great Naruto is/or are impressed with him after his return.
The visuals are like I thought they would be. If I say 'Clothes like the 4th' will you get it?
最初から仙人モードです。クリリンをやられた時のゴクウ並の強さです。
蛙的には先代を超えたらしいです
He's already in sennin mode, He looks as strong as Goku after kuririn was killed.
frog-wise he's stronger than the previous generation (jiraiya?)
影分身じゃないです。
it's not a bunshin
ちなみにヒナタと一緒にいるコウって誰か知ってます?
by the way, who is that with hinata?
両方男です。
they are both guys
ヒナタと一緒にいるのはヒアシ様、ハナビ様の留守中に何かあったら私の恥だと。
hinata is with Hiashi and Hanabi who worries that if anything happens while he was 'on patrol' it would cause great shame for him (NB not sure if this means the village or something happening to hanabi)
サ クラと一緒に いるの、すごいよペインを一撃でとか。ていうか、ハナビはそもそもヒナタの妹じゃない?
together with sakura amazing, Pain beaten with one hit. I mean Hanabi is Hinata's sister, right? (the Japanese is fcked up too, did you copy it right?)
ガマはブンタにガマケン、みどりの蛙にナルトが呼ぶ蛙のよんひき
[this sentence makes little sense grammatically] gama and Bunta as well as gamaken, the green frog is called by naruto's 4 frogs.
ゴメン、ヒアシとハナビは留守で、ヒナタの護衛係みたいな奴の言葉です。
sorry, hiashi and hinabi are 'on patrol' or so hinata's guard type guys says.
ペインやったのはナルトです。サクラと一緒にいる日向はナルトすげーって言ってます。
Naruto was the one who got pein. Sakura who is with Hinata says 'he's amazing'
いやたぶん無駄なザコキャラかと
hmm, maybe it's a useless fodder character or something.
Little notes about second script translation by me:
Enma is not the monkey, it's that monster with black flames that the Hell Realm Pain (the one who fought Konohamaru) uses to judge if a person is telling the truth.
Also, "Bean" Pain is probably Demon realm (the one that Kakashi destroyed, that with a lot of arms and faces).
This would mean that Hell Pain is the one who can bring the wrecked bodies back to 'life' and he did it with Demon realm who after all got defeated again by Naruto \o.
PS: I'm guessing that "bean pain" is Demon realm because past spoilers always called him "bean/beam pain" It's like Japanese people also gives nicknames to Pain bodies (like we call Hunger realm "Fat pain")
Well crixx I am inclined to believe that most of the village would be safe as it was in the fillers (imagine that) that they showed the emergency procedure for the village. They all huddle in the corner together in a shelter housed in the mountain (behind the hokage heads). So I am thinking most are alive (well the normal civilians) the nin in the village on the other hand... shino and pops, dogs, etc... all should be flatter than a paper strip after sitting under a steamroller for a week....
Finally, at this point, i don't think pain has a chance
but this will be one heck of a battle!!It better be!
they won't try to heal someone who already dead, so he must be alive
they won't try to heal someone who already dead, so he must be alive
So the whole meeting with his father was to what?
Ah boy....the fight gets serious now finally pein is ready to settle down and fight. That wind shuriken had to be the illest attack i've seen thus far imagine my surprise to see naruto throw itI'm not, i've been saying it a while now... Naruto distructo disc.... that aside, Naruto take out 4 of Pains bodies... that in and of itself is quite a task. Now the question is... without sage techniques and clearly reaching his limit... will he call upon his 'other' source of power? now would be more convenient XD. I mean the village already destroyed, couldn't hurt to flatten the place a bit more XD
1 pein body v entire hyuuga?Obviously not, but at least vs. Neji.
But then you have to implicate Kakashi in that dance too remember his two finger justsu he liked to use on naruto...Indeed... and let's not forget the REAL culprit here! the 3rd!!! Jaraiya, Tsunade AND Oro were under him... where yuh think they pic up their bad habits? and he was always liming around the acadamy!
^^ nah boy kyuubi take out rel ninja remember how many orphan's there were while Naruto was growing upBut the fourth prevented it from destroying the village... from both a colateral damage perspective... Pain run up in Konoha and level (pun intended) the village...
Pein kill the orphans an all this rounds so outside with kyubiDoh get take, the majority of konoha populace I am sure were safely inside the shelter in the mountain. It's the infrastructure that took the hit this time. If Kyubi were to show up now who in Konoha could seriously take it on? *W1nTry listens to crickets churping*... at least the nin had some kinda chance with Pain.
Pein kill the orphans an all this rounds so outside with kyubiDoh get take, the majority of konoha populace I am sure were safely inside the shelter in the mountain. It's the infrastructure that took the hit this time. If Kyubi were to show up now who in Konoha could seriously take it on? *W1nTry listens to crickets churping*... at least the nin had some kinda chance with Pain.
Look at pein's condition. A miserable cripple. And look at his current state. He was severely manners by naruto. And i constantly saying naruto go beat the real pein all the time and nobody en believe me.
Though i think i am starting to understand peins motive clearly now.
i doubt CRIXX of all people calling someone else a fanboy... i doubt :D
As for madara etc.. well prolly buggering sasuke soemwhere XD
LMAO... I am sure that pain's current condition is a direct result of his abilities... you know the cliche great power comes with great risk... so the constant transmission and reception of massive amounts of chakra eventually drains the host.... the eventuality is his current condition...
yeah gai and his team are the expected upset squad... they toying with our emotions there again
and steups at the notion that naruto is teh cause of pein being in that condition, come off de puncheon nah, seriously.
As for madara etc.. well prolly buggering sasuke soemwhere XD
level daggerin' *runs away*
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SPOILER ALERT..... who said we weren't going to get to see some Naruubi lovin?
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WTF is all that stuff on top him? Armour?
it's a skeleton.... of a wolf... Kyuubi's skeleton perhaps, seeing the only [...] tails left to appear?
Demon FOX actually, not a wolf.
de people who does collec stray dog an kill demLOL
Where is yamamoto?Easy there boy... this is Naruto not bleach XD
Pein will have some way to suppress kyubi chakra , this is the man who sealed away 6 or 7 other tailed beasts easy easy , this is nothing new to him.
The only hope I'm seeing here for him is for Madara to come in and suppress kyuubi. Otherwise we really gonna see what Pain made of. Four tail by himself was the baddest tank in the series, now we dealin with six.Man talk truth, I can envision Madara making an appearence... however how's this for twist... Madara let's pain take a beating till he's near death then appears, suppresses the Kyubi and lets pain buy the farm as it was his plan all along. Madara isn't interested in letting some cripple bring temporary 'peace' Madara wants to rule the MF world biatches!... that's just my take... oh and Sasgay will appear too and take out danzou etc and prolly eye down Naruto and say something trying to seem all emo-less "pitiful"...
^^ Nope. But i don't even know what can possibly be done to suppress kyuubi chakra this time aroundFunny you should mention that... the person who can... you have him in your sig...
^^ Nope. But i don't even know what can possibly be done to suppress kyuubi chakra this time aroundFunny you should mention that... the person who can... you have him in your sig...
Yuh know i didn't think big bad pein would need someone to come skipping in to save his life. You really think madara or sasuke goh pass through to surpress kyuubi? As usual only time will tellWell why else is Madara around for? His health?
Yuh know i didn't think big bad pein would need someone to come skipping in to save his life. You really think madara or sasuke goh pass through to surpress kyuubi? As usual only time will tellWell why else is Madara around for? His health?
Nope! To string along the rest of the ants like puppets!!! mwahhahaha. I mean he is the ultimate ninja. If big bad pein needs help, then (if he is anything like oro) why bother saving him. Let him die, and just swing by and capture kyuubi himself
like we forgetting about Root? That danzo guy is supposed to be on the 3rd hokage's level , he'll make a move for power once the dust settles . Tsunadae is going to die or be retired somehow.
Wait wut.No but it was a decision between the 3rd and Danzo... so we suspect the man had some skills.
Who say he on the Third level? D man kill goggles frog and suddenly he is ah boss?
Kyuubi: You!!!
Naruto: Yondaime...Hokage...
Yondaime: I made the seal such that when it's on the brink of being released I would appear in your mind. Though I don't want this to happen, because I don't want to see you again...Kyuubi, but I'm glad to see my grown up son...so things even out.
So Naruto goes 8 Tails and daddy shows up in his mind to calm him down...
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Naruto: Yondaime...Hokage...
Yondaime: I made the seal such that when it's on the brink of being released I would appear in your mind. Though I don't want this to happen, because I don't want to see you again...Kyuubi, but I'm glad to see my grown up son...so things even out.
hes going to come down and give pein some bs will of fire, make your own destiny, hard work is greater than all nonsense speach.
*stifles the urge to say Orochimaru gave Sasuke a vd*
make real pein cry about being abused as a child
whats senin mode?
Umm, we've known for a long time that's it's only the yang half of kyuubi's chakra that got sealed. The ying is presumably inside the Reaper along with Minato himself.
I think Yondaime should have been able to handle Madara , the sealing jutsu ought to take out any ninja or demon no matter how strong they are .
Madara probably sent the fox to avoid a direct confrontation , knowing Yondaime would sacrifice himself to eliminate him .
lol,naruto said he cant do anything,he's stupid
now that pain got his ass kicked whose next?
a friend of mine thinks it's going to be Jiraiya come back to life the way pain was.
Would make sense for Pein to have used Jiraiya's body for as another puppet.
The time skip is supposed to occur soon , i don't think we'll see any more big fights just plot and character development .
I was gonna give up on this manga with the level of gayness i expected after that hand holding session between naruto an pein. they started the tree hugging and general ass patting and then cut away to this interesting plot point.
something tells me he aint gonna be 6th hokage for very long....Let's hope not... what I want to know though... since the slugs were relaying everything that was going on with Naruto... and Naruto had the long talk with Pain about why he became the way he did... and seeing as Pain told him about the betrayal by DANZOU and the KAge Hanzou... should EVERYONE now know that Danzou was a bastard that tried to doublecross the 'to-be' 3rd by gaining support of the hidden rain?
Study though... If Oro came out of Sasuke shoulder during the fight with Itachi... what 'other' parts of sasuke's anatomy was Oro hiding in... O_o...
Study though... If Oro came out of Sasuke shoulder during the fight with Itachi... what 'other' parts of sasuke's anatomy was Oro hiding in... O_o...
AHAHAA *dies*
Sasuke is an idiot.
Sasuke is an idiot.
anime? what anime?
sorry, but since dattebayo dropped shippuuden, I stopped watchin it. Now I mostly rely on ppl telling me what's happening in the manga
Maybe Kakashi has it?*Slaps Net with a rotting fish for the Obito==Danzou==Madara theory*
Maybe Kakashi has it?*Slaps Net with a rotting fish for the Obito==Danzou==Madara theory*
Thoughts:
Danzo looks had he that sharigan a while now.. I guess that he harvested Obito's other eye covertly. either that or..
Probably also obtained the eye in a bargain with Madara a long time ago as well. Madara hacked out some other Uchiha's eye to give Danzou in return for some favour.
Of course, the next obvious question is:
How well can Danzo use his sharingan?
Finally someone who thinks. This is the first series of statement pertaining to this topic that might actually make sense. If danzo == madara in any way shape or form, he probably suffers from an unusual split personality and must be a master of bushin since he could be busy following sasuke and had to hear about danzo becoming hokage from zetsu.
why get one when you could get 2 winny :DWhilst that may be true, man eh even seeing the 2 XD, he have on blinkers
I think you're a little off on the idea of the hyuga eye, he said it was a souvenier from a fight, which in all likeliness means he defeated an Hyuga and was able to salvage 1 eye from the remains. As for Danzoi's eye... seeing as just before zetzu appears hes speaking to madara... could it be that in the past Danzoi and Madara were in league with each other? and that the eye was a gift from Madara for Danzous coop? (unlikely I am sure but just a theory). Considering that Danzou is the head of root, its not beyond imagination that he could have retrieved it.Kishi now diffuse a theory and you just decide to jump on a new one. You en even give it time to register properly yet. lol. The idea that danzo and madara has had some form of contact/arrangement for any purposes could be possible in any light. That just how shady danzo is. I don't personally believe that it was madara who gave him the sharingan as danzo is a pretty resourceful guy. But that they had some other arrangement about something, sometime, yeah.
I believe that zetzu has appeared speaking about sasuke to cement the notion that sasuke is an international criminal and that thus make it easier for him to maintain control over him. After all we've already seen that sasuke wants to leave on his own scene, but with all the great ninja villages against him, it would be easier for madara to convince sasuke that he NEEDs the support of akatsuki.This makes alot of sense. Madara is a smart man. I definitely think that this could be true.
rubbishTis true (Earth and sky shudder as W1nTry agrees with crixx)
could naruto have gotten where he is without kyubi?? no
could sasuke have gotten where he is with out sharingan? no
*no wonder the weather was so messed up for the last 24 hours.. W1ntry and Crixx AGREED ON SOMETHING!!!*LMAO... does makes sense though!
That looks very nasty
oh my... that changes everything hmmm...No your falringans are not failing you, he did... I would presume so that the bug/virus would infect him should it make contact, save he had already sucked up the only person that can stop it, so he'd have been dead. That being said how come his foot wasn't infected with the bugs when he kicked it, study dat!
secondly.. are my sharingans failing me also or did he kick his own arm at that guy??
oh my... that changes everything hmmm...No your falringans are not failing you, he did... I would presume so that the bug/virus would infect him should it make contact, save he had already sucked up the only person that can stop it, so he'd have been dead. That being said how come his foot wasn't infected with the bugs when he kicked it, study dat!
secondly.. are my sharingans failing me also or did he kick his own arm at that guy??
He wearing socks and shoes...LOL :PChakra and insect tip oh what?
level bop on he socksMaybe the real point of the manga Naruto is to expose that Kishi is really a big big pedophile... and all the 'bad' chars really just want sasuke body... O_o
buh ultrasasuke goin an deal with he case, that will be fun
Was madara real scene doh, just making sasuke more powerful off ah kix?
Just looked like a substitution to me...maybe you guys are overthinking this.Actually I believe he did, to activate Susanoo, a mangekyou weilder has to have used Tsukiyomi and amateratsu, he did both in his battle with the kages. Specifically, he used it on one of the Raikage's nin to knock him out of the battle instantaneously, only Tsukiyomi has ever been seen to be THAT effective.
And I don't think Sasuke would necessarily have better genjutsu, I don't think he's shown tsukuyomi yet.
Genjutsu?
Something dawned on me whilst watching the latest ep of the anime... Madara said that when the 3rd died Itachi returned to the village to let them know he was alive and around so as to not touch sasuke. He also said that Itachi told danzou should he ever touch sasuke he would tell the world about what the village elders had done... I am beginning to think it's a failsafe like with the 4th and Naruto or the amateratsu and madara... I think it's Tsukiyomi that was implanted by itachi to protect sasuke against danzou.
I think it unfortunate that sasuke defeated danzou, as I was discussing with someone kishi creates characters to THROW them away under the guise of 'plot development' pfft whaev. He killed off pain rather daftly at that (the single badest @$$ char EVER in the manga), now danzou, why the @#$% he doh kill off fricking sakura... geez at least get rid of the ANNOYING chars...
As for the sasuke hating, if for a second you think sasuke defeating danzou compares to naruto defeating pain, jed sasuke rolling on 13" STEEL rims compared, doh come rong
well i dont know if danzo defeated quite as yet, he still had one eye left, so izangai and total blindness is possible.
And anyone find it strange that sasuke activate mangekyou and then just use chidori to pierce both danzou and the girl???
It was a good fight admittedly, i'm not a sasuke hater, i'm a crixx hater (j/k). I just think Kishi focuses on sasgay too much and he's just at an advantage from the get go. That aside though, I still hope danzou isn't dead, hopefully he can use Iza 1 more time to launch one last attack which I am hoping is the case. Yes he WILL die, YES it'll be yet another WASTE of a char, but i'd be happier if he can inflict 1 more almost fatal wound to get sasuke off his high horse. Man cut thru the gyul to get to danzou, YES thats like shooting the hostage so the perp will drop em, but its still COLD.
And there goes his Chakra restoration girlfriend....LOL No more Chakra Juice for the Big Naruto fight....:PI'm pretty sure that he intentionally avoided all her major arteries and organs, so she'll be fine. That aside though I suppose this was Kishi way of showing sasgay isn't a complete washout after being WHITEWASHED by the kages. He had to at least beat ONE supposed 'bad@$$'. Still I hoping that Danzou uses Iza one more time before dying and puts some SERIOUS hurt on sasuke.
And there goes his Chakra restoration girlfriend....LOL No more Chakra Juice for the Big Naruto fight....:PI'm pretty sure that he intentionally avoided all her major arteries and organs, so she'll be fine. That aside though I suppose this was Kishi way of showing sasgay isn't a complete washout after being WHITEWASHED by the kages. He had to at least beat ONE supposed 'bad@$$'. Still I hoping that Danzou uses Iza one more time before dying and puts some SERIOUS hurt on sasuke.
Umm last I checked the Raikage wtfpwned sasuke. And he bascally fought them 1 at a time not getting an edge on ANY of them, eventually needed madara to save his sorry @$$.
I does really wonder what manga Crixx does be reading when it comes to Sasuke.I think we all wonder this, quite frequently esp after replies like ^^^
how de f&*& did raikage pwn sasuke?? He lost his mc hand and as sax said he would be charbroiled if it wasnt for gaara.
And he battle acid b*&& and was cuttin she ass, then battle ultra old guy and rai kage AND acid hore and her minnion andddd frakkin gaara until madara finnaly jump een
steups alyuh really cyah give de man he due yes.
but go make statements like Naruto pwn Pain! WHAT!!!
f*&* pain couldnt take his emo whinin no more and flikkin/wrist so he could get away
in no way did naruto pwn pain, cause he woulda just do mass rez bring his squad back and pwn naruto who was all out of trickeries
hmm so nidaime pimp fur coat look mega hard.I agree with everything there save sasgay is an uber monster. I wonder if madara saved his candy @$$ again from Danzo dying technique, which I am inclined to believe ala teleportation. That aside I hope sasuke kills sakura, i've been waiting and HOPING she dies, cause she is such a waste of space in the series, in the LEAST she could help the story by getting offed so Naruto can go berserk and walk a darker path, than this wishy washy deus X machina crap where his power is to 'change' ppl. That kinda hiten mitsurugi crap we can do without. BRING ON THE PAIN AND THE DARKNESS ALREADY!!
Madara wants the eye, i wonder if it still viable after that piece of techies play danzo pull off.
Sasuke continues to be an uber monster.
Sakura is retarded.
I did enjoy naruto appearing though, and looking back at sasuke, as in to say ... i am not the same naruto from oro's hideout .. bring it bitch!
I did enjoy naruto appearing though, and looking back at sasuke, as in to say ... i am not the same naruto from oro's hideout .. bring it bitch!
O.o that would imply that Naruto is capable of looking in anyway menacing or imposing or that Sasuke would give a damn about Naruto..
Our saviour Sasuke is fighting HARDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!! to bring us the kill we have been begging for.. its not for that this righteous man's quest keeps being halted on all sides.. sigh.
It still has potential to turn into something more than talk no jutsu... the general rule is that you cant have two epic battles stacked so close to each other , so the talk no jutsu would give us some filler space and either Madara will order sasuke to retreat or we'll see an epic fight..
Kakashi might still turn out to be a boss if sasuke limits himself to non Sharingan jutsu , Kakashi will easily deflect Sasuke's chidori with another chidori , and Sasuke's Katon fire jutsu will be cancelled out by Kakashi's Suiton water release.
heres a twist i theorize : Naruto goes at sasuke with full sage jutsu powers and all of his attacks are either dodged or blocked by Susanoo . Sasuke counter attacks and is about to mortally wound Naruto when Kakashi steps in to save naruto, the fight comes down to Kakashi versus Sasuke , Kakashi bussing out amazing new jutsu and countering every move Sasuke makes , Sasuke too low on chakra to use his MS... Fight ends with Kakashi about to kill Sasuke , Naruto stopping him and Madara intervening to save sasuke
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Or it will just be talk no jutsu and madara coming in to pull sasuke out with no more fighting at all...
Despite Naruto's sage chakra he still isnt the ultimate ninja and a fight against sasuke can still result in him losing , i believe he will have to master Yondaime's flicker technique to finally surpass sasuke and maybe even madara.
Isn't Sasgay's vision blurring already...BLIND MAN SASUKE vs. KAKASHI = EPIC FAIL!! LOLso by your logic, kakashi coulda come rong itachi??
We'll never know the answer to this, but I think it would have been interesting. I think Kakashi would have prepared himself for Tsukiyomi and his MS can defend him from Amateratsu and to an extent Susanoo (as we saw). So yes I think he could have put up a fight to a near blind itachi.Isn't Sasgay's vision blurring already...BLIND MAN SASUKE vs. KAKASHI = EPIC FAIL!! LOLso by your logic, kakashi coulda come rong itachi??
Isn't Sasgay's vision blurring already...BLIND MAN SASUKE vs. KAKASHI = EPIC FAIL!! LOLso by your logic, kakashi coulda come rong itachi??
I think they'll all just sit and sing combaya and eat smores until madara shows up with hot dogs and potato chips and then sasgay will go away for cheetos.... XD
Seriously, Sasuke is in NO condition to fight, yall realize that if sakufail had guts and followed through sasgay would be watching the inside of his eyelids permanently all now? is only cause last second she EPIC fail emo, that she get caught like the fail that she is...
As for Naruto learning flicker... I don't see why not. Naruto has the BIGGEST Deus Ex Machina in the series... I figure he best do 1000 clones for a few months, each day having batches of clones just studying in the library, training in all forms of jutsu and exploring and in say... 6 months he'll be the most OP character in the narutoverse.... but well he's not bright enough to think about that... ah well...
We'll never know the answer to this, but I think it would have been interesting. I think Kakashi would have prepared himself for Tsukiyomi and his MS can defend him from Amateratsu and to an extent Susanoo (as we saw). So yes I think he could have put up a fight to a near blind itachi.Isn't Sasgay's vision blurring already...BLIND MAN SASUKE vs. KAKASHI = EPIC FAIL!! LOLso by your logic, kakashi coulda come rong itachi??
Isn't Sasgay's vision blurring already...BLIND MAN SASUKE vs. KAKASHI = EPIC FAIL!! LOLso by your logic, kakashi coulda come rong itachi??
Don't do that. Sasuke isn't half of the ninja Itachi was. Everything Sasuke is Itachi was even more so (except insane) with even more finesse.
Oye... this week out and honestly I DID NOT SEE THAT COMING XD stripes back on kishi back!!!! Kisami ftmfw!!!! not since deidara gara battle have I seen a nice twist like that! If yuh doh know what i talking bout yuh sticking.
I'd imagine once a magekyou user goes blind he loses his jutsu as well , its like a river running dry , constant use slowly seals the sharingan up..
In any case 2 out of the 3 jutsu would be useless without sight , Amateratsu destroys what the user is LOOKING AT, a blind man has no idea where to point his eyeballs , Tsukuyomi would require some sort of eye contact with the target as well i think , only Susanoo would be of any real use................
alot of people are talking about a next timeskip.......but is there any real proof for certain, that its going to happen.....or is it just speculation??
alyuh come back with that given to Sasuke arguament again. Lolz
Lets ignore Naruto's massive care package as well shall we.
kyuubi
daddy in his head
massive chakura pool with kyuubi also granting him massive chakura pool without kyuubi
lol lets just hope this is not an april fools joke... cuz that chapter real win
no @ forsaken last point
if yall look back through your ninja scrolls
you will remember that naruto grew his own massive reserve of chakura from having to constantly surpress the kyuubi chakura.. that blue and red chakura explanation from wayyy back.
And that massive natural chakura pool he built up is why he is able to kage bunshin x infinity which is why he learned sage mode quickly and is able to control and maintain it. The entire basis of Naruto's strength is Kyuubi, thats his root power.
Sasuke had alot more than that from the start, before he even turned on his Sharingan he was sick. And kishi has brought him to dizzying heights of power to go alongside his innate skill.
So if it wasnt for kyuubi's presence, naruto would be quite unremarkable.
And daddy's little gift in his head stops kyuubi from going ape shit and popping out all 9 tails.. which would KILL naruto.. please remember that once kyuubi busses out his chess.. naruto body will be thoroughly folded up.
And lastly, UG i know you not trying to say Naruto is a more Skilled Ninja than Sasuke and thats why you whining about the gifts of his blood line... >.> not like itachi didnt use his Sharingan to make him ultra uber... >.> not like Neji uses his bloodline to make him ultra uber.... yeaahhhhh...
I think the only person who is ridiculously sick that doesnt have some sort of unnatural gift is Shika.
nope
its because he had to surpress the kyuubi chakura his whole life, it built up a massive pool of the blue chakura vs the kyuubi red chakura.
Alyuh just tryna forget the jiraiya molestation down by de river..
nope
its because he had to surpress the kyuubi chakura his whole life, it built up a massive pool of the blue chakura vs the kyuubi red chakura.
Alyuh just tryna forget the jiraiya molestation down by de river..
you go really hadda find that episode or manga...
cuz as far as i know he was born with crazy amount of chakra... try and remember he's the fourth's son... so while naruto me be an idiot and not a genius like sasuke... he would still be a good ninja without the fox... just look @ the sage training :)
errr... without the kyuubi he woulda have the sage training even easier cuz then he woulda be able to merge with the frogs :Syou are very right bout the mother thing
lol u does make it sound like naruto's strength is the kyuubi lol...
like all he take from his father is the hair... everything else musbe come from the mother lol
lol point proven...
just show me where the chakra thing about the kyuubi is.. thats the only thing i interested in rite now :)
cause sasuke badder dan de sage duh
Maybe he just wants to rape sasuke... kabutomaru is Oro successor... prolly picked up his bad habits too XD...
a whole set a build up suspense... pages on end of talking that not even furthering the story... steups... all to a real shitty anti-climax...
http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/69878488/1 (http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/69878488/1)
great chapter this week , though i think Kishi should have someone tell naruto about his parents in real life first... its kind of dumb having him completely ignorant about his past after he saved the village and is the most powerful ninja in konoha .
lol @ that bitch crying for his mommy
seriously crix... u doh ever get fedup of being a sasgay fanboy?
does it bring you some sort of pride or something :)?
yawnCome nah crixx, even you could admit finally seeing kushina over the past 2 chapters quite interesting.
more mommyboyness
but acceptable twist
great manga today !
May wanna edit that language Hero
May wanna edit that language Hero
Hero almost sounds like Kira / S8ra.... O_o LOL spelling people...spelling.....
hmm, man like Minato an all does cry.
new respect for crying den.
hmm, man like Minato an all does cry.
new respect for crying den.
I hope when the anime catches up in a year or 2, that the madara fight is a little more fleshed out.. not what we were expecting
But now I'm wondering if he is stopping his wife from sacrificing herself and is in return sacrificing himself, shouldn't she have been around to raise Naruto even if it was for a short time? I think something may go wrong with the excution of the plan and she may have to step in to assist the 4th which is what leads to her death.
lord w1n u dunno how to write a closing tag :shakehead: :)*W1nTry Slaps UG with a rotting tuna*
I wonder what Crixx hadda say now bout Sasgay vs Naruto in terms of speed now...ROFL Epic chapter
But now I'm wondering if he is stopping his wife from sacrificing herself and is in return sacrificing himself, shouldn't she have been around to raise Naruto even if it was for a short time? I think something may go wrong with the excution of the plan and she may have to step in to assist the 4th which is what leads to her death.
Nope he said to her that he will seal her remaining chakra inside naruto so that they could see him one last time:
http://www.narutoverse.org/Naruto/503/17/ (http://www.narutoverse.org/Naruto/503/17/)
I have been using this site for naruto for a while, and mangastream a while a back as well. I use this one to get the sleepy fans translation, to see the difference. Sometimes the language/translation used lends a new understanding and interpretation to the chapter.
In my search for Tenjou Tenge I fould this: http://www.mangatoshokan.com (http://www.mangatoshokan.com) rather extensive list they got.
Ohhhh just found my Tenjou Tenge... and what would you know this site is HUGE...
http://manga.animea.net/browse.html (http://manga.animea.net/browse.html)
I wonder what Crixx hadda say now bout Sasgay vs Naruto in terms of speed now...ROFL Epic chapter
I just came in here to say that Bleach is awful.
What's that?
Yes. I know this is the Naruto thread.
But I...I can't bear to go into the Bleach thread.
There were once good memories in there.
Study though... now that Naruto has access to this... 'good' fox chakra, what about the 'bad' chakra he's been using up until now? what about how the fox has always healed him during/after battles does this go away and make him more vulnerable? how has this new development affect everything he's been able to do because of the fox to date? also Naruto is unique to all other Junchuriki because he doesn't actually have the Kyubi as his 'partna' unlike the 8 tails. Suffice to say unlike the 8 tails who was able to break Sasuke's MS with the aid of the Ox, Naruto doesn't have that... so what does he do? he unlike the others can't go full Biju either.... This development has raised man questions...
This whole think seems to be Rikudo-mode. I can only wonder what's next.
The Kyuubi is not "evil" its but what it has is a lot of bent up anger and despair which is what leads to rage due to its host almost always being shunned by their community the Kyuubi has constantly be submerged in such emotions so in essence it is the people who have indirectly mold the personality of the Kyuubi just like how he turned Gaara and Pain I think he is going to do the same with Kyuubi.If Naruto uses talk-no-jutsu to calm the fox it would be the greatest
And if he can fly , we go call it naruto in soucoyant mode .
I think the seal trini is referring to is the one that lies on the yellow flashes special kunai, that he uses to mark his opponent to teleport to. Sleepy fans translations says sushuin, so its definitely a body flicker and not a teleport.
And now rikudo mode + sage mode = unbeatable!
One thing that i watched at with sage mode was that he was only able to keep 6 clones when he just learned it but now, he has attained an incredible level with it, as we saw during the kyuubi fight. So he really is stronger on every level at this point. Can't wait to see if/when he partners up with kyuubi.
Well I still wonder about this original 'red' chakra that mixes constantly as it's explicitly said that he has this new power locked away separately. I know he's said he won't use it but i'm just trying to guage his present 'bag of tricks'. He has unusual amounts of chakra to deal with, he's basically a tank (in MMORPG speak). Then he has Sage mode which uses natural energy and now the Full Kyubi Chakra. And there's ONE more thing we've all forgotten, Itachi has left him an easter egg.
Sasuke has his speed, variety of techniques, his sharingan, and now his EMS with Amateratsu, Tsukiyomi and Susanoo. I really wonder how this will all match up in the last battle....
imho I think Naruto is just REALLY REALLY fast (yuh know the whole Chakra makes you FASTER bit *poke poke*)
I know that red chakra thing buggin u long time especially the automatic healing he had, and also how kyuubi coulda just pop in to give him a hand if he in a bind. But i doh think he really needs that auto healing anymore as he is now a strong enough ninja to handle himself. If he still need kyuubi to save his ass now, then he deserve to get his ass cut from sasuke.
I really want to see sasuke's EMS in action. I wanna get a feel for his new power.
Boss man he had 3 clones takin in sage chakra back in toad mountain, and had 2 with him, so there weren't six clones, only 5 my bad. There were 6 narutos lol. And we have to give naruto props even though his mother was helpin. His toads were helping him but does that mean no props for him for defeating pain?
You can't take away someone's power to equate them with the other. Outside of sage mode, naruto is still a boss ninja. So since senjutsu is naruto's specialty, and baika is choji's. if you take away senjutsu from naruto, then take away baika from choji. So let's not take away anyone's power just yet.
As for lee, i think on a straight taijutsu battle he'll kick anyone's ass. That means no byakugan from neji or sharingan from sasuke. But then how is that fair.
And finally, ain't no comin back for anything sealed by the shinigami. That is trapped their for all eternity battlin it out with the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th lololol...
Naruto don't need the "50% sealed" since chakra regenerates. Heck we know chakra regenerates over time, so i won't be so sure to say that kyuubi is only 50% of his former self at this point. He had 16 years to regenerate.
Well I only mentioned those three clones because he left them specifically to store energy so in essence whatever energy they were storing would compensate for their own existence thus not being a strain on him, the only ones that may have been a strain on him are the two he summoned for battle but seeing that Naruto constantly spams clones at a ridiculous rate I find nothing impressive about Naruto summoning a clone.
Also technically he didn't defeat Pain he lost to the 6th one and then dad was nice enough to appear from no where reseal Kyuubi thus helping his chakra which was going in chaos to restabilize, all this was happening while the original Pain was talking damage from using Jutsu that kept damaging and depleting his own chakra so forgive me if I'm not impressed.
Baika? I take it thats Choiji's ability to increase body mass? I wasn't even factoring that in I was just basing it off that if memory serves me correctly Rock-Lee and Chouji were the strongest Taijutsu fighters.
I also have the stance if you weren't born with it, then it ain't natural Hako was about to be killed when his abilities kicked in out of sheer self preservation now thats natural then he learned how to master it down the road and of course there are the more obvious ones like Neji and Sasuke. The toads who trained Naruto are all external factors its just like the benefit of reading a technique scroll that no one else knows about its not that you are the only one who could use the scroll you are just the only one who knows about it why do you think that clans are so defensive when it comes to other clans getting the body of their members.
In regards to the other 50% there are a lot of things that would have seem impossible when we just started Naruto I'm not stating that its going to happen just stating its a possibility I'm sure at one point seeing the Hokages would have seemed rather impossible also until we saw Orochimaru use that technique.
I remember when Lee was going to hospitalize Sasuke and then Gai interfered he was telling Saske "that it doesn't matter if he can see whats coming if he can't keep up and what it took Lee years to learn to utilize the writers of Naruto decided to give Sasuke after somethinkg like a month training now that was utter garbage.
This is quite inaccurate. Taking in sage chakra is rediculously hard. It's not simply generating clones. His three clones weren't storing sage chakra but constantly molding sage chakra. Thus he had 3 clones doing what even Jaraiya couldn't do perfectly. The fact that naruto could fight against pain, and keep his 3 clones molding sage chakra was quite an impressive feat.
I guess you wouldn't be. After defeating 5 ninja's that destroyed the entire village, why be impressed since he initially lost to the last and strongest one? And this is pain's power, what if he loses chakra and takes damage from his own jutsu. I had this discussion before, and it's like this. Each ninja has tools affording them power. For sasuke he has sharingan, for pain he has rinnegan and naruto has kyuubi. Weather or not pops showed up, pain no. 6 would have been dead! It just so happen that pops showed up and resealed kyuubi after which naruto proceed to kick pain no 6's ass. So yah he did defeat pain.
Okay here memory does not serve you right. Choji was never the strongest Taijutsu fighter.
You miss the point of being a ninja. Kakashi was not born with sharingan, yet that is his main source of power. A ninja uses to tools afforded to him to give him the edge in battle. These toads are naruto's. Thus they count as his strength.
I am just stating that possibility is as far fetched as tobi being obito.
He's a genius. We know that. But its what the writer's said/did so who am i to argue with them. We may not agree but it is what it is. Can I ask you who your favorite character is?
errm... orochimaru snake thingy was his tool.. and it wanted to kill him... only cause orochimaru was strong the snake couldn't touch him...
so dunno why u think ur tool hadda respect u or be ur fwiend...
once u can be used by someone to accomplish their goal or task etc.. your a tool :)
whether u WANT to be that tool or constantly struggling against it is irrelevant, a tool could want to kill it's master all it want.. is still a tool.. and btw...
and yes the kyuubi bad.. but he cant break the seal... unless naruto release him... in other words... naruto have all the power over the kyuubi... so u dont try to overplay the kyuubi's strength.. he is still binded.
Ahh forsakened, you haven't been on the forum long enough to know this, but umm, crixx, well, erm, he has a thing for sasuke o_O. Don't even bother to try to make sense because it has no bearing when it comes to sasuke. Just have fun with it ;)
I figured some mindless on/off topic banter to lighten the mood was in order. XD
Well Crixx to each their own because to me and several others it was just absolute rubbish and lets not forget that Rock-Lee did not have the ability to use chakra at that point in time.all ninjas use chakura, not all are skilled or can use ninjutsu, but they all use chakura, every last one of them.
Well Crixx to each their own because to me and several others it was just absolute rubbish and lets not forget that Rock-Lee did not have the ability to use chakra at that point in time.all ninjas use chakura, not all are skilled or can use ninjutsu, but they all use chakura, every last one of them.
"One of the many different types of jutsu, ninjutsu, genjutsu, dojutsu, and so on, all require the use of chakra. However, taijutsu is different, usually requiring no chakra use whatsoever. stamina is all that is needed. "
Taken fron narutopedia
So no.. rock lee cant use chakra
"One of the many different types of jutsu, ninjutsu, genjutsu, dojutsu, and so on, all require the use of chakra. However, taijutsu is different, usually requiring no chakra use whatsoever. stamina is all that is needed. "
Taken fron narutopedia
So no.. rock lee cant use chakra
i would disagree but not fully.
I recall early in the series that chakra was defined as energy generated from cells. If my assertion if true, Then it can be said Lee can use chakra, but just solely for Primary/Secondary Lotus.
You must have some sort of chakra-moulding ability to open the chakra gates to perform such a dangerous move. I doh think 'bad mind' is good enough.
Also, there is a another query. If Lee cannot use Chara, then how does one explain Lee's ability to stand on water when his group and Gai were fighting Kisame? You have to be able to mould chakra to stand on water (recall when Jiraya trained Naruto to stand on water and had to use the five-part unseal on his belly)
Lee can't perform ninjutsu or genjutsu, obviously he can perform taijutsu which he uses chakra for.
So his lotus techniques use no chakra... opening the gates to increase his taijutsu power uses no chakra... right that makes perfect sense.Lee can't perform ninjutsu or genjutsu, obviously he can perform taijutsu which he uses chakra for.
you make it sound as if using taijutsu means using chakra... didnt you read what i posted?
Taijutsu uses no chakra...
Chakra (チャクラ, chakura) is essential to even the most basic jutsu; it is a mixture of the physical energy present in every cell of the body and the spiritual energy gained from exercise and experience. Once mixed, it can be channeled through the chakra circulatory system, which is to chakra as the regular circulatory system is to blood, to any of the 361 chakra points (called tenketsu) in the body. Through various methods, the most common of which is hand seals, the chakra can then be manipulated to create an effect that would not be possible otherwise, such as walking on water.http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chakra (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chakra)
And I was trying to point out that I think his taijutsu DOES use chakra. Whilst the amount used will vary from NON to ALOT, most times than not, esp when performing 'signature' moves, he IS indeed using it, if he had no chakra he'd be dead, otherwise what's the point of Shino Clan's use of bugs to suck out ur chakra to kill you?
Well they excel in poisoning and destroying cell by inserting chakra into you also so they are not really limited to depending on their opponents having chakra to do them harm.
You guys need to remember that Lee also hasn't had much character development since pre-time skip. There's alot that COULD have happened but since there's been little emphasis on him, we won't really know.
The raw predicitions, that would have had me power puking and /qq naruto
Is that when madara touched nagato's eyes, they turned white and at the same time
Naruto bawls and cries cause hes a bitch, and opens his eyes to reveal that he now has the fucking riningan
yes i know
disgusting idea
thank goodness it didnt come through
Naruto in his OP nine tails mode gonna pull some ichigo final attack stunt which is pretty boring, or maybe.. jus maybe... he'll produce more clones -_-
Naruto in his OP nine tails mode gonna pull some ichigo final attack stunt which is pretty boring, or maybe.. jus maybe... he'll produce more clones -_-
that's lame... naruto was never able to do that before no matter how OP any of his techniques seemed... and why hatin on the man clone... thats like saying "i bet sasuke will use sharingan again -_-
chapter was bad doh... good intro to a war
http://www.mangastream.com/read/naruto/94539395/1 (http://www.mangastream.com/read/naruto/94539395/1)
Anyone else read this?!?!
I am now completely lost and confused....
It's either real Madara, Yondaime or First Ninja ever.
And so this thread FINALLY resurrects.. and look what it takes...ironic indeed
It literally take an impure world resurrection for men to talk about Naruto again..
which gives u an idea of how bada$$ the 1st hokage was if he beat out Madara
he didnt obtain it before he die.. according to that manga... kabuto took madara's old body and advanced it...
so madara is probrably under the mask still.. this is his old body kabuto ressurected and made it to what it is now... hence kabuto saying "i've managed to improve you PAST your prime"
he didnt obtain it before he die.. according to that manga... kabuto took madara's old body and advanced it...
so madara is probrably under the mask still.. this is his old body kabuto ressurected and made it to what it is now... hence kabuto saying "i've managed to improve you PAST your prime"
Mangasteam has Madara saying - "I awakened my eyes shortly before my death" - Then he proceeds to ask Kabuto about the advancement made to his body
Well as the saying goes "I told you so" XD
Tsuchikage gonna go out in a blaze of glory now, man gonna sacrifice heself to take out madara (which by itself isn't possible) but kabutomaru is overconfident and forget Itachi coming for his @$$, expect more epicness followed by itachi pwning kabutomaru
look at y'all.. a bunch a shameless band-wagonists...haha
rushing to get in the madara maxi as if is city gate after yuh coast on the series for over a year...
Kish shoudl pull one deus ex machina on you...
Oh god by madara is ah boss. I know men does form contracts with animals eh, but kyuubi is d man summon boy! I thought it was just sharingan control, I did know he could kuchiyose that thing. So lets see here, madara has:
1/ EMS and all the goodies that go with it
2/ Rinnegan and the power of SO6P
3/ The power of the first
4/ Kyuubi summoning
WTF!!!! Invincible much????
On a side note I also see a possible better relationship forming with naruto and kyuubi so he could finally possibly bring him out under control. I guess only time will tell ... or possibly next week will.
Boss chapter Kishi!
Definitely an interesting read this week. Two beasts against five xD and where will Kakashi and Guy fit in all this?probably on the side lines mindblown cuz this battle just evolved out of their leagues in a BIG way..
Have you ever read an entire chapter with a ridiculous looking smile on ur face.
That was me lol
Damnit... now I have to re-read it again!!!!
Damn, looks like Naruto and Bleach were removed from Manga Fox
lol its whoever got Obito's body!
why all the hating on it being obito doh?
I done with this manga!
hear the explanation at least. Must be another twist. If not then I done also
why all the hating on it being obito doh?
Simply because obito died a hero and was one of the few uchiha's who was actually good (except for itachi). Not to mention it was only 2 or 3 years after the incidents of the war that obito face of against the 4th hokage and march in with power to rival madara! Controlling kyuubi and whatnot! In 3 years? Be real nah man.
Its not like I am jumping to an invalid conclusion. He reveal obito to be tobi, and tobi faced the fourth, thus it is fair to assume that obito was under the mask and faced the fourth. Either way, I may read next just to see the justification, but if its because "Rin" died then yes story telling has gone to shit. Just my opinion.
Its not like I am jumping to an invalid conclusion. He reveal obito to be tobi, and tobi faced the fourth, thus it is fair to assume that obito was under the mask and faced the fourth. Either way, I may read next just to see the justification, but if its because "Rin" died then yes story telling has gone to shit. Just my opinion.
I think that is one of the crappiest story arcs i've ever read. I'm upset that there isnt a showdown against Sasuke.
I think that is one of the crappiest story arcs i've ever read. I'm upset that there isnt a showdown against Sasuke.
In what day and age is sasuke strong enough to showdown against any of the top brass!?
not the top brass. But the whole join up together crap.
I wanted Naruto and Sasuke to fight to the end.
not the top brass. But the whole join up together crap.
I wanted Naruto and Sasuke to fight to the end.
They will. Teaming up to defeat a greater evil don't necessarily mean he will automatically just come back to the village. Kishi promised us a showdown, and when that bridge comes, he'll cross it. But for now, I can certainly enjoy this direction that the manga is headed.