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Ah boy, NEW Intel chipset iwmc
« on: September 18, 2007, 06:43:41 AM »
A very nice preview of the X38 chipset here.

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Re: Ah boy, NEW Intel chipset iwmc
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2007, 07:02:27 AM »
Mmmmm just what i've been waiting on. That Gigabyte GA-X38-DQ6 has my name on it. DDR2 FTW, for now...DDR3 is still wayyy to expensive right now...or maybe I should wait for DDR3 prices to come a bit and then hmmmm....upgrade.

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Re: Ah boy, NEW Intel chipset iwmc
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2007, 09:13:30 AM »
xpress gate ting BAD!! :happy0203:
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Re: Ah boy, NEW Intel chipset iwmc
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2007, 09:15:31 AM »
Definitely something to consider for next year.

But I hoping there will be a DDR2 version. DDR3 prices just too ... ridiculous... for my taste.

Hell with a 64-it OS I could now slap in 4GB DDR2 RAM for US$200 or less!!
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Re: Ah boy, NEW Intel chipset iwmc
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2007, 09:21:04 AM »
xpress gate ting BAD!! :happy0203:

ENT!!?  I was like 'all DAT from a BIOS!!?'  Gotta love Asus for THAT!!!.....

@ Sax...the Gigabyte sample in that preview that they tested was a X38 board with DDR2 support eh.
So yeah, we will see DDR2 as well as DDR3 support from this chipset.
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Re: Ah boy, NEW Intel chipset iwmc
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Re: Ah boy, NEW Intel chipset iwmc
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2007, 11:03:53 AM »
lol... i like dis ....Intel overshadowing AMD with only ah new Chipset release!! :happy0203:

i might get cuss out from AMD users i sure
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Re: Ah boy, NEW Intel chipset iwmc
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2007, 08:33:11 PM »
lol... i like dis ....Intel overshadowing AMD with only ah new Chipset release!! :happy0203:

i might get cuss out from AMD users i sure


You wouldnt get cuss from me. Imagine Intel ftw hands down on the performance side of things, now they're battling strong on the price side with $89 mega overclockers? It USED to be that AMD was "the cheap way to slap together a system brisk brisk" but Intel. Hmmmm trouble for DAAMIT. They better be injecting them Phenoms with some sort of super big maxi turbo in evolution XII with  unlimited nos and running  on aviation fuel plasmid, or a plasmid that fries any machine with an Intel cpu running faster than 3ghz that's connected to the internet or within WIFI or bluetooth range. Evolve today b1atches!
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Re: Ah boy, NEW Intel chipset iwmc
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2007, 10:42:24 PM »
And to think allyuh eh read the reviews of skulltrail yet... if you think Intel bad with these... you'll wet urself with skulltrail... DAAMIT in trouble is a bit of an understatement.. the thing about intel totally dominating is should DAAMIT go under... intel will have no reason to advance as fast or be as price competitive.. and well we all know where that could lead...

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IDF Fall 007 Seaburg, iceberg, we're all borged

By Nebojsa Novakovic: Tuesday 18 September 2007, 22:56
TOWARDS THE END of Kicking Pat's keynote, he showed a spread of new 45nm Penryn platforms, including the anticipated Skulltrail. The second generation V8 platform has two - unlocked supposedly - HarpertownDP chips similar to the ones in our, um, delayed review this morning.



Couple it with "optimised" - read streamline latency and bandwidth at the expense of some RAS features - Seaburg chipset, four OC FB-DIMM sockets (one module per channel) with T1 command rate, and top-notch VRM and board cooling. Then add cascaded dual phase-change - 80 degrees C freeze cooling, we're talking about a potential 5+ GHz, eight-core monster with dual FSB2000+ and (I assume liquid-cooled too) quad-channel DDR2-1000+ CL4 FB-DIMMs. Oh boy...



There are four PCI-E x16 v1 GPU slots on board, created by expanding the 32 PCI-E x16 v2 lanes of Seaburg chipset using twin PCI-E v2->v1 bridges into 64 PCI-E x16 v1 lanes, i.e. four slots. This would give you Quad CrossFire or Quad SLI capability at pretty much full GPU I/O speed, since most near-future GPUs are more than happy with the 16-lane wide PCI-E per GPU.

Intel's man behing the SkullTrail (and the famed Bad Axe D975XBX2 board), the ex-Alienware Eric Cubbage, also showed a bunch of early "Skulltrail friends", among the pioneers to do a part of the first sales units of the new platform from December onwards. These included the UK-based SCAN Computers and the high-end cooling from the very local Vigor Gaming from nearby City of Industry, CA.

Oh boy, how bad it is that there is no AMD FASN8 anytime soon now, at least we could have something to compare the Skulltrail to. µ

Wait not done yet:
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Intel Skulltrail supports SLI, Quad SLI

IDF Fall 007 When Nvidia fixes its multi-GPU tech

By Theo Valich in San Francisco: Wednesday 19 September 2007, 00:01
DURING COMPUTEX in June of this year, we were involved in a war of words with Nvidia when it came to Intel chipsets and SLI support. Nvidia's Head PR claimed that no SLI is in the works for Intel, our own Charlie claimed otherwise.

At this year's IDF, Steve Smith of Intel fame explained that Skulltrail is sporting support for dual, and even Quad graphics when Nvidia decides to work on the support of four graphics cards at the same time.

The motherboard shown below is the key part of Intel's gaming attack coming in late Q4 or perhaps Q1'08, if it slips during debug phase.



First real V8 motherboard for enthusiasts and professionals alike sport support for four graphics cards at the same time

You can see that this is not your server board model from the first generation of Intel's V8, but rather a true enthusiast motherboard with a nice amount of PCIe 2.0 slots for graphics cards. Sadly, it is based on first generation server chipset named Stoakley, so it supports only FB-DIMMs. However, other options speak alot to high-end enthusiasts, regardless of being from gaming or professional side of things.
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Re: Ah boy, NEW Intel chipset iwmc
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2007, 04:49:07 PM »
I've had 4 x16 slots for over a year now lol! plus x38 doesn't seem much better than 975, just more sata and usb ports and 2x16pcie. If my board gets rma'ed fast I'll hang on till the next chipset upgrade since I can use 45nm on it :D
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Re: Ah boy, NEW Intel chipset iwmc
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2007, 05:05:47 PM »
would you mind to enlighten us have you have full 16xPCIe x4? aka 64PCIe lanes?
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Re: Ah boy, NEW Intel chipset iwmc
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2007, 06:27:55 PM »
Prowl you does print the money to buy your stuff or what...?

Who you sleeping with in the computer hardware world?

You just cooly and silently calling out top end hardware in your system like it was a used PIII system:

"yawn, I have E6600 with 8800gtx and board with 4PCIe x16 slots.... life sucks"
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Re: Ah boy, NEW Intel chipset iwmc
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2007, 08:01:17 PM »
"yawn, I have E6600 with 8800gtx and board with 4PCIe x16 slots.... life sucks"

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Re: Ah boy, NEW Intel chipset iwmc
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2007, 09:09:08 AM »
Back away from the screen ppl, Crixx is about to make a horrible mess.....  W1nTry :yay: Crixxx
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IDF Fall 007 It officially exists, and is officially fast

By Charlie Demerjian in San Francisco: Friday 21 September 2007, 11:31
INTEL FINALLY UNVEILED Skulltrail, and it looks to be a winner. When the company first rolled out the original answer to AMD's 4x4 called V8, we were a tad skeptical. I am glad to say that when it comes out a year later, it will be a much better beast.

What is Skulltrail? It is simply a massively massaged Stoakley server board with most of the mods directly affecting gamers. You take a 2S Harpertown system, put in dual Nvidia PCIe chips to allow for 4 true 16x slots, and cut the number of FBD slots from 16 to 4.


Skulltrail machine

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that a dual Harpertown with four GPUs is going to be a monster for gaming. AMD had a potential contender with FASN8, but since it foolishly killed it, Intel is going to own the gaming crown in 2008 no matter what AMD does.

How well does it do? With stock frequencies of 3.40GHz, 1600MHz FSB, dual 8800GTXs and 2 x 2GB Micron FBD-800 sticks, it hit 17006 on 3DMark06. It also scored a bit better than 20K on Cinebench, 21521 to be exact. I wonder where I have seen that before?

There is a lot of tweaking left to be done on this box, but it should be out in a few months, end of the year or early next. By that time, with more memory and four GPUs, well, it is going to be unmatched in performance. Intel had an early version running at 4.0GHz, more is sure to come in short order as the platform matures.


Skulltrail at 4GHz

What more is there to say? When we criticized Intel, the lads did the work and came back with what looks like a winner. AMD knifed the competition leaving Intel the uncontested victory in the gaming space. It is no longer a contest, Intel wins this round. µ

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Re: Ah boy, NEW Intel chipset iwmc
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2007, 02:01:38 AM »

I doh care what Prowl claim, his system will BOW before skulltrail

/ Makes room for Skulltrail //////

Btw humm guys look at my sig!  my mobo is a p5w64ws!

I have a workstation board that has 4 pcie x16 slots, 2 are x16 and 2 are x8 electrically, it CAN run 4 vid cards at the same time, but only cross fire 2 at a time ( damn amd ):-(

but it is pcie 1 not 2.0
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Re: Ah boy, NEW Intel chipset iwmc
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2007, 02:46:23 PM »
 :yay:
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After all the talk, QuadSLI and SLI uses HT-connected chips

By Theo Valich: Wednesday, 26 September 2007, 5:00 PM

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NVIDIA IS REALLY happy with Skulltrail, or at least its chipset sales people are. Since Intel wanted SLI and, later, Quad SLI, the almighty Chipzilla had no choice but to bow to the current hotshot here. This bowing includes including two Nvidia chips on the Skulltrail motherboard.

These chips are no less than the fully-fledged Media Communications Processors (MCP) that were already used in previous Nvidia chipsets, like the 680i and 590, but with all of the chipset functionality disabled. The chips sit on the motherboard and do nothing but enable SLI and QuadSLI. So Skulltrail will not sport Nvidia's cool dual GbE controllers (or even Quad GbE, in this case), nor RAID5 features from Nvidia. All of the SouthBridge functionality remain with Intel's own chip.

The MCP chips communicate with each other through the HyperTransport interface, and serve as a quite good layout trial for Quick Path (FMACSI - Formerly Known As Common System Interface), the bi-directional interface of the future for Intel's Nehalem generation, since the company does not have a lot of experience outside GTL+ FSB (Front Side Bus) world. For communications between the MCPs and Intel's own chipset, the PCIe 2.0 interface is used.

We're not all that too sure what waves this will make in the world of latencies. We have seen on results of Nvidia's previous attempt - AMD's 4x4/QuadFX/FASN8 project for Athlon 64 FX/Agena FX series. That project had issues with latency between just two graphics cards, since the GPUs chips were not directly connected to the chipset, but rather to two different chips (680a chipset).

It will be interesting to see what will happen with SLI and QuadSLI performance-wise when the graphics cards are connected with the CPU through FSB, through the NorthBridge to the first MCP and then through HyperTransport from first to second MCP. µ

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The good folks over at ASUS have sent over the P5E3 Deluxe, which is based upon Intel's new X38 Chipset and continues in the usual ASUS fashion of pushing new (and often unexpected) innovations onto the motherboard. Without spoiling the review of this motherboard that will be published shortly, the ASUS P5E3 Deluxe is one of the most innovative motherboards we have seen to date and it packs one very exciting and unusual feature. Embedded onto the P5E3 Deluxe is a Linux environment that features a Firefox-rebranded web browser and the Skype VoIP client! Within five seconds of turning on this $360 USD gaming/enthusiast motherboard, you can be using Linux and surfing the Internet. On this motherboard the feature is known as ASUS Express Gate, which is powered by something called SplashTop. SplashTop is an instant-on Linux desktop being created by DeviceVM. SplashTop isn't even launching for a few more days (October 10), but in this article we have more details on this embedded Linux environment as well as screenshots and our thoughts with what will hopefully come next for this Linux environment.

The P5E3 Deluxe is the first ASUS motherboard to feature this Express Gate (SplashTop) technology, and ASUS describes it as: "With a fast boot-up speed of only 5 seconds, the ASUS Express Gate offers an optional Linux OS boot-up that allows you to enjoy instant access to commonly used functions like accessing the Internet, VoIP, and Web emailing without entering the OS." Before cutting to the chase, some of the other features on this motherboard include an ASUS EPU (Energy Processing Unit), ASUS WiFi-AP @n (802.11n wireless), ASUS third generation 8-phase power design, Intel 45nm Core 2 Quad support, and two PCI Express 2.0 slots (ATI CrossFire supportive) powered by the Intel X38 Chipset.

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Re: ASUS Motherboard Ships With Embedded Linux, Web Browser
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would like to see more and more of this.. hopefully it will trickle down to mainstream and eventually budget boards...

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Re: ASUS Motherboard Ships With Embedded Linux, Web Browser
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2007, 11:57:44 AM »
Well, you get what you pay for eh.  I already covered this, but no biggie. :happy0203:
I like that browser feature.   VERY MUCH!!!

They (Asus) will have to haul dey a$$ with tha price though.  Especially as the P35 performing so nicely right now.
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Re: ASUS Motherboard Ships With Embedded Linux, Web Browser
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2007, 01:24:24 PM »
Oh yeah i forget about that thread oui.

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Re: Ah boy, NEW Intel chipset iwmc
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2007, 09:28:31 AM »
I hope this is not the forerunner of doom
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By Charlie Demerjian: Tuesday, 20 November 2007, 2:27 AM

SIGH. DEEP SIGH. No sooner does AMD buy more shells for its shotgun podiatry vaudeville act than Intel returns to its old ways.

That is not, for those new to this game, a compliment.

The problem is the X48 chipset, quite possibly the second best chipset not on the market yet.

It is a minor, and I mean minor revision to the otherwise excellent X38 chipset. The added 10 merely brings you from a 1333FSB to 1600FSB. It is otherwise the same part, one look at the mobos that have the X38 sticker hastily crossed out and the name X48 written in will tell you that.

The problem? In the days of yore, like six months ago for people with memories that long, this would not have rated a name change, or anything else, just a bump in the stepping noted on the technical documents. New boards would have a "now with more vitamins, minerals and FSB" sticker on it, and the world would go on.

What do we end up with? A "new" chipset on "new" boards, and ghod help us, fodder for the marketing critters. All this for functionality that was either there from day 1 on X38, or added in the last month, then almost assuredly fused off for 'new vanilla' X38.1 parts not labeled X48.

Why did they bother? Is it to milk money out of the high end? Don't they do enough of that already with the EE/XE/whatever chips? Are they trying to make us buy an XE mobo for your XE chip, and woe betide the fool who buys one without the other? Are they going to EOL the X38 after a whopping 39 day lifespan?

In the end, we are left with two chips that do exactly the same thing with one bullet point artificially changed. OEMs now must stock multiple SKUs, must have multiple variants of the same mobo, and most likely pay more for the added 266MHz. What a mess.

Who pays? In the end, the customer - that would be you and I. For anyone touching this mess, from Intel to little Timmy buying the uber-rig, it only adds headaches, which in turn jack up costs. There was a time, again in the golden days of six plus months ago, when Intel would not do such a thing because it realised it shafts the very consumers who give them the highest margins. Oh how I long for those days.

With any luck, Intel will realize that this course of action is not a very bright one, and will backpedal ASAP. If it wants to go back to the bad old monopoly days and jack up prices, fine, it earned it, but just stop playing SKU games that hurt everyone.

Carigamers

Re: Ah boy, NEW Intel chipset iwmc
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2007, 09:28:31 AM »

 


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