Marvel Vs Capcom 1 Sweat

[Jdcrys_Shinkuu]

well me be in training today @ 5pm - 6pm so ill be there....

[Fault]

i dont think that people should have to fend off a grab slut plus even those who are extremely skilled cant always tech hit a throw. Out of 100 times you can tech it like 75 if your good. All i'm saying is , Is it Too Much To Ask For an Honourable Fight Where the Winner Is the More Skilled and not the more cheap Of the Two?

Kajun I'd like you to tell me what part of CvS2 lets you kill someone quick n easy? Or where there is an infinte..........................
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Didn't think so. There is no way to hit someone one combo and win by repeating it with them unable to respond until they die. And I agree with imperial, would you eat grabs over and over? Or if the grabs are so invincible that you have to take them over and over then that game is broken and just like I said the best play in a crappy game is crappy play, all broken games are nonsense. When your life bar empties you lose. Do you know what comes to mind? The way shinkuu plays with his two war machines. Projectile, jump, air projectile, falling air knee, low attak projectile, jump, air projectile , falling air knee. RINSE till have two supers, double team then REPEAT missile super with both. then projectile, jump air projectile, falling air knee , RINSE REPEAT. And it has to be good cuz he beats lots of people with that. How come you don't say something about that? he just doing the same supposedly hard to counter thing over and over. I think that's equivalent to just grabbing all day.

SHINKUU - You singing real different songs boy have some nuts and give me my win nuh. You acting like you gave me that game against the war machines. I just analyzed your tactic and used a tactic to beat it. No real skill involved in my win just tactics, but brain over brawn is always the way to go. When you lost some guy there was amazed you lost and what did you tell him "Well he pick magic people" and yes that's what i did cuz gold warmachine can't block. I admitted on the forums that I didn't do anything much against chun-li team. So don say you gave me that game so as not to end my career before it started. I'm not going to really play that broken game anyway. That game will always be kicks to me.

[Jdcrys_Shinkuu]

i never meant it to sound that way hoss, but truth n fact is u picked magic peeps!, i had a chance at winning n i choose not to rush as usual n got whipped in the process. so u won in all fairness u won fair n square. but as we all know it have certain people who would have an advantage against others. like ur moriggan n ryu combo against my warmachines. lol so good game padna but i assure u i wont be that easily beaten again. lol

[New Era Outlaw]

@ Fault

Hey, sometimes it takes skill and timing to pull off an infinite, you know.
Besides which, the double War Machine combo isn't as unbeatable as you make it out to be.
You just have to know your way around it, is all.

Oh, and FYI, Marvel vs. Capcom 2 may be broken beyond a shadow of a doubt, but the 1st one is NOT.
NO team or character has the absolute advantage in that game.
If you're wise to what their strategy is, that is....

[rb]

All the versus games are broken. Its just that in MVC2 its totally blatant. MVC1 has its fair share of infinites as well.

[New Era Outlaw]

Ah-yuuup.
rb wins the thread.

[Chaotic]

Neo what d hell going on with the tournament in La joya hoss.

[Chaotic]

Fault, you damn well know why most of the best players in CVS 2 does play saggat as one of their characters, because his down and fp is gotdamn ridiculous, and his uppercut drains a wallop, especially if you catch someone poking. But that didn't stop me from playing it and i still don't play with saggat, and shin akuma lv 3 with Kick is also bloody ridiculous hoss,and you know it so don't come with that at all. Vegas speed in the game is ridiculous, and blanka is just ridiculous on the whole. You cyah knock marvel vs capcom because yuh cyah play it hoss, that not making sense and thas a new low for you, because even in guilty gear, if memory serves right one of you and imperial's favorite games, has some ridiculous combos in it, but i never complain when i get wash in it, so stop crying hoss, and try shining, you might like it.
What shinkuu does is hard to counter for you fault, kajun, rio, myself and a few others have found ways around it. But constantly holding, if thas fair, well then, gaurd breaking in Ex2 is also then, which is also ridiculous because you can cancel into a guard break making it harder to time and avoid. Holding is shit, thas one reason why i doh really play cvs 2 with allyuh, when allyuh cyah hit the man, allyuh next move is dash up with he 2 weak buttons and hold. I would always say that marvel is a far more skillful game than cvs2, where men just dashing up to yuh and holding yuh constantly. If thas the case you should play my wolverine in the arcade and i'll really give you something to complain about, JD's warmachines will leave your mind instantly, or kajun's gambit or Jin, or Rio's Strider and wolverine, we'll send you mad.

[The Kajun]

hoss in marvel u show me where a man can repeat the same combo and beat a man easy. And somehow i  think that firing magic and doin an uppercut that drains a third of a man life if they jump it is "broken" . Basically niggas shouldnt dicuss things they dont understand comment on marvel if u can play it . And by play it i mean your able to beat MY kajun squad till then stop soundin like a serious Noob

[rb]

I wasnt a big fan of marvel till I started play mvc2 a bit seriously. To say it or any other vs game requires no skill is wrong, there are characters that a person can pick up of the bat and do some serious damage, but that doesnt justify the no skill comment. The God Tiers take a ridiculous amount of skill to play especially when taking into consideration the tactics you use to win. Tri Jumping , Fly/Unfly , taking Flying Screen and Flying Screen Depreciation into consideration etc. Not easy stuff to learn , took me about 3 months to get tri jumping down and even longer to come up with combos from it other than going straight into Magneto's infinite. Contrary to popular belief, being able to perform an infinite is not a win button, not by a long shot, and infinites can't be done for a whole game, if you keep falling for the setups time and time again then you deserve to take the combo. After 50hits the opponent dizzies and usually you'd be doing 1pixel of damage by that time per hit.

ALL  fighting games have characters with strategies involving patterns there are no exceptions to this.If I am wrong then please show me how.

As far as holds go, to think that in this day there are still people bitching about throws is amazing. This isnt the early 90's ppl and we aint still playing SF2 World Warrior here, there are ways to escape throws. Tick throws are so common now you'd think everyone would know how to counter it. You ppl need to play some 3s, throws are your best friend.

[Jdcrys_Shinkuu]

hmmmm i wonder if fault wishes a rematch ......
btw good game boy kajun it was nice. i will find a way to take that gambit from u though. n i c ur strider has improved. i still think balki could winwith wolverine though. wam boy rio u ded or sumting?
or u fraid d warmachines lol. <- d only team dat does frustrate yuh gettin badder

[Imperial_X]

Fault, you damn well know why most of the best players in CVS 2 does play saggat as one of their characters, because his down and fp is gotdamn ridiculous, and his uppercut drains a wallop, especially if you catch someone poking. But that didn't stop me from playing it and i still don't play with saggat, and shin akuma lv 3 with Kick is also bloody ridiculous hoss,and you know it so don't come with that at all. Vegas speed in the game is ridiculous, and blanka is just ridiculous on the whole. You cyah knock marvel vs capcom because yuh cyah play it hoss, that not making sense and thas a new low for you, because even in guilty gear, if memory serves right one of you and imperial's favorite games, has some ridiculous combos in it, but i never complain when i get wash in it, so stop crying hoss, and try shining, you might like it.
What shinkuu does is hard to counter for you fault, kajun, rio, myself and a few others have found ways around it. But constantly holding, if thas fair, well then, gaurd breaking in Ex2 is also then, which is also ridiculous because you can cancel into a guard break making it harder to time and avoid. Holding is shit, thas one reason why i doh really play cvs 2 with allyuh, when allyuh cyah hit the man, allyuh next move is dash up with he 2 weak buttons and hold. I would always say that marvel is a far more skillful game than cvs2, where men just dashing up to yuh and holding yuh constantly. If thas the case you should play my wolverine in the arcade and i'll really give you something to complain about, JD's warmachines will leave your mind instantly, or kajun's gambit or Jin, or Rio's Strider and wolverine, we'll send you mad.

Not implying that I'm the best or anything but I use Sagat because he's a favourite character of mine.  If he happens to be a threat because of his move set then it wasn't my doing.  I didn't program the game.  I don't pick up games look at tier lists and play only top tiers.  If I recall correctly, when I play you guys you usually don't even get to see my Sagat come out coz he's usually in the back.  I use people like Rolento, the Shotos, Eagle, Blanka, Cammy, Guile, Todo, Bison, Terry, Rock, Yamazaki in the front before anyone could get to Sagat.  Most don't see past my second character.  

So you think Sagat's c hp is overpowered?  Get out of his range.  As soon as he sticks it out, either time your attack and cancel your super or option select into super.  This is one of the reasons chun li is good vs Sagat.

You think Shin Akuma's super is overpowered?  about 5 firce attacks with almost ANY character will kill him.  Besides that, he's banned in tournaments internationally.

If you knew anything about guilty gear, you'd know that you can break out of combos through the use of the BURST bar you see next to your life.  After you first use it empties out and it recharges the more you get hit.  So if someone is giving you an infinite, damn sure you can break out.

It's the same way I could say that Rio's Nina is cheap or nasty or something.  I can admit I don't know Nina's moves and tricks so what he does is able to confuse me.  Over time as I become familiar with the character more, I'm sure I'll be able to adapt to it and have him reverting to other tactcis.  That's how skill develops.  I see a fella like you could understand that.

I have no quarrel with MvC2.  I've tried my hand at it and I suck admittedly.  Well its not really that I suck so much, but just that I don't want to learn the game.  I've seen it played on high levels where infinites get exploited to the fullest of their extents.  My comment on this would be to learn from the ONE mistake you made that cost you the match.  Almost any game worth its salt can have you finish your opponents life bar if they slip up once.  That's another part of skill: lessening your mistakes.  With things such as infinites only helps you learn a lot quicker because a mistake made twice = the same infiinite.

The versus series games are pretty infinite happy.  CvS2 has stuff that drains a lot.  So do Guilty Gear and Tekken if you know how.  It all boils down to match play I think.  Some people don' like infinites, some do, some don't care and play oblivious to the fact that they exist.  There are infinites in Tekken 4,5, CvS2 as well as Guilty Gear I confess.  But the setups are sometimes to intricate and are damn near impossible to setup sometimes.  To actually see them at work.  Except for T5 though.  I a fella at VZone an infinite with Steve and got about 2 perfects on him in a row finishing rounds in little over ten seconds.

I'm typing way too much about now so as a reward for having read so far if you did, here's a MvC1 vid I uploaded.  Look at how easy that infinite is.  



Here's the article I wanted you to read.  Quite frankly you're most likely fed up of my babbling so here's more text to fill your head.

http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm

Download and enjoy.  Read and Learn.

[Jdcrys_Shinkuu]

so u have ne warmachine combo vids for me to study there friend?! lol

[Imperial_X]

Nope, no WM vids.  Learn Morrigan!!!!!!1eleven

[Chaotic]

Very true imperial. No arguement from me there.

[Fault]

Fault, you damn well know why most of the best players in CVS 2 does play saggat as one of their characters, because his down and fp is gotdamn ridiculous, and his uppercut drains a wallop, especially if you catch someone poking. But that didn't stop me from playing it and i still don't play with saggat, and shin akuma lv 3 with Kick is also bloody ridiculous hoss,and you know it so don't come with that at all. Vegas speed in the game is ridiculous, and blanka is just ridiculous on the whole. You cyah knock marvel vs capcom because yuh cyah play it hoss, that not making sense and thas a new low for you, because even in guilty gear, if memory serves right one of you and imperial's favorite games, has some ridiculous combos in it, but i never complain when i get wash in it, so stop crying hoss, and try shining, you might like it.
What shinkuu does is hard to counter for you fault, kajun, rio, myself and a few others have found ways around it. But constantly holding, if thas fair, well then, gaurd breaking in Ex2 is also then, which is also ridiculous because you can cancel into a guard break making it harder to time and avoid. Holding is shit, thas one reason why i doh really play cvs 2 with allyuh, when allyuh cyah hit the man, allyuh next move is dash up with he 2 weak buttons and hold. I would always say that marvel is a far more skillful game than cvs2, where men just dashing up to yuh and holding yuh constantly. If thas the case you should play my wolverine in the arcade and i'll really give you something to complain about, JD's warmachines will leave your mind instantly, or kajun's gambit or Jin, or Rio's Strider and wolverine, we'll send you mad.

Hoss you talk the best load of nonsense I hear in my life there. yes Sagat's C FP is good. but it takes a whole lot of those to kill someone and even if it hits you, you can hit sagat with the lag of it. EVEN if it hits you and it takes a lot of those to kill someone. Sagat FP Uppercut drains but it still takes a lot of those to kill someone and if you miss there is heavy lag. In marvel inifintes start with a friggin lk. no lag there. Shin Akuma l3? You dumb or something? that move is so easily dodged with a roll. Not to mention in that game shin akuma takes damage like a biatch. A couple hits and he dead. Again BALANCE is preserved. vega is fast but he drains a little and takes a lot of damage, again BALANCE. Blanka? I not even bothering with that. Marvel COULD NEVER be a more skillful game than CvS2. I'm not crying I just stated my opinion and some FACTS, marvel is broken as has been echoed by a learned man like rb my opinion is that BROKEN games are sheit and if that fits marvels cap then so be it.

[New Era Outlaw]

Holy crap, did this thread turn to crap and then some.
I'm closing this for two reasons:

1) This was originally a MvC thread, but apparently it's beginning to turn into a CvS2 vs. MvC slugfest.
Comparing the two is like apples and oranges, really.
Such a silly argument, if you ask me. Not that I'm putting down anybody's opinion here, of course, but meh. Different strokes.

2) The sweat that this thread was created for is long over.

[Jdcrys_Shinkuu]

Actually Neo i will agree with you on the first two points of argument, but the last IS A TAD BIT OFF...
the sweat this thread was created for was and still continues every saturday by the elite chaos legion squad and the one man army that is The Shinkuu Clan (That b me <-- lol) and of course we have esteemed guests from pos, arima, chag, even beyond who some up on a regular basis to challenge us and lose... not to mention u n other gatt members have also passed in a couple times, so u c it would be wrong to take away the thread. but as u said and it had been seen this thread was going way off the topic.

so fellas unless you have some VALUABLE Marvel Vs Capcom 1 commentary find urselves another thread to mouth off on... lol (laughs at mouth off cause we type everything!)

maybe we should start a thread that asks or compares one to another but until it is created please refrain from spamming my thread thanx.

btw u can still mouth off through pm!!! lol

[TriniXaeno]

shinkuu puts his foot down oui.

badness

[New Era Outlaw]

Thanks, JD.
You basically summed up what I wanted to say for the LONGEST while.
And to think I just gave up on this thread.