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Tech Talk => Hardware, Tweaking & Networking => Graphics Cards => Topic started by: Prowl on November 14, 2007, 08:51:35 PM
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some reviews here
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so far while it does get eaten by the 8800gt, it seems ok if they arrive at the price points ( ie no retail gouging and typical lower cost than msrp ).
most interesting is that in dx10 they seem to perform better, hopefully they will drop in price some more as if they do ( quickly ) they will be fighting with 8600xx and 8800gts cards.
for now if the prices don't drop the 8800gt just owns.
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Err... prowl the link???
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Here's one from AnandTech:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3151
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http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1222/1/page_1_introduction/index.html
http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/AMD_Radeon_HD3850_and_HD3870_-_AMD%27s_salvation%3F/5392-1.html
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=703&p=0
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3151
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/3270-his-radeon-hd3870-review-crossfire-performance-preview.html#post26213
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?type=expert&aid=482
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_rv670_performance_preview/default.asp
my bad lol
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Also note, while the 8800gt owns all it's hard to actually get, and if a 3850 512m shows up for $170 ish I'm buying one and waiting till the next set of cards.
another review
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/472/
oops
guru3d has the most honest reviews, you can see some of the other reviews are BS!!!!
http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=490&Itemid=27
another decent review
also note there is a planned agp version of the 3000 series.
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My sentiments exactly, some of those reviews sites sound/look like they eating off of the green teams table, their benchmarks aren't even CLOSE to the majority which seems to suggest that:
3850 PWNS the 150USD space aka 2600XT and 8600GT/S
3870 is decent when price is considered but is bested by the 8800GT 10 times outta 11.
What I am curious to know is if with more DX10 and 10.1 titles, if these cards won't improve in performance. As in an article I just posted the HD3000 series cards are DX10.1 ready and 10.1 brings 1 VERY important improvement related to AA. Whilst if you buy the 8xxx series chances are it'll never get a patch to be 10.1 capable. So in a sense it more future proof... and then there's the rumours that Crossfire X will run on ANY chipset... meaning 2,3,4 cards to get even more performance.. I mean 3x3850 is STILL $$$ < 1x8800Ultra $$$ and I would like to think it will hold up against the Ultra for the most part. So its kinda up in the air... what I am also interested in is finding out when the HD series will be FAH capable. These cards should EAT every CPU, PS3 and multi-core system alive when it comes to folding... I don't know whats the hold up!!!
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that and the drivers are still beta! the 2900xt improved alot with better drivers, this is ati's problem
also look at some of the power colour and asus cards expected, factory OC with a better cooler matching the 8800gt is some areas and prices are expected to actually drop, making this good mid range choices.
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Here's an article on the HD 3xxx X2 series... yup dual GPU stuff: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/11/17/amd-showcases-radeon-hd-3870-x2 (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/11/17/amd-showcases-radeon-hd-3870-x2)
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humm win, please no quotes from inq, they are so full of bs and so often wrong
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humm win, please no quotes from inq, they are so full of bs and so often wrong
*W1nTry clouts Prowl over the head with a 7950 X2* Take everything with a pinch of salt however you have pics to look at and as they say a picture is worth 1000 words... sheesh.
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We know amd is doing x2 3870's or 3850;s but it's stil inq
now where is that 1800xt.
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So far it seems while the 8800gt is the faster card , the 3870 and 3850 are actually available at MSRP ...
A look at newegg shows all the 8800gts sold out , and 3850's at 179 still available...
Apparantly AMD is planning to beat Nvidia by volume : they are shipping over 500 000 3000 series cards to Nvidia's 50 000 8800gts.
Anyone who wants a card atm , the best thing you can get is a 3750 for 219, though you can find the 8800gts around the net at odd prices and by brands you don't really want to touch.
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AGP based HD 3850s show up
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/8764/index.html
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DAAMIT's 3870 X2 has been spotted and benchmarked:
3870 X2 spotted in the wild
Hunted and shot
By Wily Ferret: Wednesday, 09 January 2008, 11:57 AM
ATI IS STAKING its high-end reputation on its upcoming 3870 X2 card, which has two R670 chips on a single board. Details have been scarce, but not only has one turned up in a system at CES, but it's been benchmarked too.
The card is absolutely huge-mongous, with two GPUs, two sets of memory, two power connectors and a bridging chip sat between them - not to mention the Crossfire connector sat on the top.
There's 1GB of memory on board, and the GPUs are currently running at 770/2250MHz.
The folks at Hot Hardware have pics of the card from the show floor here (http://www.hothardware.com/News/ATI_Radeon_HD_3870_X2_R680_at_CES/), whilst the stripped naked pics and benchmarks are over here (http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=425431#post425431) at OC Workbench. Tasty. µ
Here's some pics from the links:
(http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/153/r68004ww8fm0.th.jpg) (http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=r68004ww8fm0.jpg)
Yes you saw right 9k + @ 2560x1600
It's a LONG @$$ card
(http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/4825/bigatir6801qu8.th.jpg) (http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bigatir6801qu8.jpg)
But to give a better idea of how long, check it in contrast to a mobo
(http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/6685/bigatir6803mu3.th.jpg) (http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bigatir6803mu3.jpg)
This could be my upgrade path XD
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Don't be fooled, that mobo could be only 8.3" in width as opposed to the 9.something inches of a normal mobo. My 8800 falls about the same length as that pictured card. That score is truly impressive @ that resolution...if that source is ligit. Can't understand why they didnt run the benchmark in default resolution so we could get an idea of how it stacks up against other cards.
Very good CPU cooler BTW, Arctic Freezer 7 ftw!!!
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Early review of the 3670 http://en.expreview.com/?p=178&page=1 (http://en.expreview.com/?p=178&page=1)
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Wel capt, if yuh thought the card wasn't long here's a pic of it next to an X48 mobo... last I checked those are full sized mobos...
(http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9189/intelx48r680qd3.th.jpg) (http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=intelx48r680qd3.jpg)
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Well we got some leaked scores:
HD3870X2 delayed, benchmarked
West misses East by a week
By Paul Taylor: Tuesday, 22 January 2008, 12:48 PM
AMD HAS riled world+dog by back the date on the 3870X2 launch.
NDA’d for today, the twin engine graphics card was supposed to shock and awe consumers around the world as hardware sites were to publish their benchies on the beast.
Sources claim AMD delayed the release by a week so the 3870X2, 3650 and 3450 will all be launched together on the 28th in one big benchmarkfest.
The reason NDA'd reviewers and editors are miffed is that they received their samples last Friday, spent a weekend benchpressing the cards and now they have received a postponement call from DAAMIT explaining they are working on new drivers for the cards.
However, pouring salt into the wound, lawless bandits in far-off China (actually it's a post on PCOnline.com.cn) have also ruined the NDA party by breaking cover and ambushing a poor little 3870X2 with a bunch of benchmarks. You've got numbers galore there, and you can see the 3870X2 pulling ahead of an 8800Ultra, 14573 to 10676 in 3DMark06 – with the “old” drivers, we assume.
In other words, while the samples are fine, DAAMIT is likely to be fine-tuning the driver performance in order to avoid any glitches. We can only assume that the reviewers that signed the NDA are really just getting to be official spokessites for the final versions of the driver.
So sit tight - seven days until West catches up with East. µ
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rofl @ riled world + dog
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*wonders how long I'll have to save to get that 3870x2 for my rig....since it is Crossfire compatible...*
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It would appear that ATI/AMD finally hitting back with something tangible:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/01/23/ati_r680_the_rage_fury_maxx_2/index.html
Let's see how long this will last
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Yuh late, MERGED and keep in mind that 2x8800GTS/GTX/Ultra should beat this or match this. Seeing as the GTX and Ultra can do Tri-SLI I would say that Nvidia still holds the crown easily. However it IS a good step though.
Review here: http://www.insidehw.com/Reviews/Graphics-cards/ATI-Radeon-HD-3870X2-1-GB.html (http://www.insidehw.com/Reviews/Graphics-cards/ATI-Radeon-HD-3870X2-1-GB.html)
Yup before the NDA's even dropped. And to quote a line from the review: Are the performance charts enough for you, or shall we continue with the commendations? First of all, the performance is simply phenomenal, but this card packs even more heat. This was the first time we could play Crysis as its authors meant it to be played (pun intended!) ever since it first appeared.
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ATI releases the 3450, 3470 and 3650
A little better everything
By Charlie Demerjian: Wednesday, 23 January 2008, 8:01 AM
ATI IS LAUNCHING three new GPUs today, the 3650, 3450 and 3470. If you remember their new naming scheme, you will realize that these are the low and mid range parts.
If you are expecting a huge upgrade in power and features, you are going to be slightly disappointed, most of it is refinements, a little better here, a few more boxes to check there. That isn't to say that they are not good cards, the bang for the buck is great, especially if you are looking at them for video applications. That said, the DX10 -> DX10.1 transition is not going to set many hearts aflame.
The first card, the 3650 is more of a range of products, you will see a lot of variants here. All are 55nm chips, have UVD and are fully PCIe 2.0 compliant. More importantly, they all support Hybrid Crossfire, something that may make the geek in you yawn, but the power savings modes will add a lot to a home theater box. They also have HDMI and DisplayPort natively, a huge boon to AV fanatics.
In terms of raw numbers, the 3650 will run at a core clock of 725MHz and have 256M of 800MHz GDDR3, or for value models, 500MHz DDR2 in 256/512/1024M configs. There is only the one core SKU planned, with partners getting the green light to do weird things including overclocking and playing with memory types.
These parts will replace the older 2600Pros on the shelves and for per formance, the 3650 will win by about 20%, more or less depending on application. They suck less than 75W meaning there are no PCIe power requirements, it can draw all it needs from the mobo. All this starting at $80 and moving up to $99.
The lower end 34xx is still divided up in to the low end 3450 and higher end 3470. They are similar but the 800MHz 3470 is 200MHz faster than the 3450. It also has 950MHz DDR3 vs the 500MHz DDR2 of the 3450.
Neither require a PCIe power connector, and since both are PCIe2, will consume less than the 75W a single slot provides. The main difference is that the 70 is actively cooled but the 50 can be passive. Add in that it is low profile, and you have one heck of a HD media server video card on your hands, especially at the price ranges they are talking about, $49-55 for the 50, $59-65 for the 70.
The one down side is that the 50 can do 1080p with a fair bit of ease, but the 70 can upscale that smoothly to 1440p. These cards are going to be unbeatable for video work. The major down side is that the Linux drivers do not support the AVIVO video engine, so you can avoid the malware of Vista, but you can't do so with video acceleration.
All three cards cost under $100 and come packed with features. They will play most games reasonably well, and have no equal in video processing. Everything is a little better, a little faster, and has some more features. What more could you ask for in budget cards?
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That Tom's aHardware link seems to have expired so here's another one from legit reviews.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/605/1/
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Yo capt, that's a review of a 3870... NOT the 3870 X2...
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All hail to the 'king'... (http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/01/28/ati_r680_the_rage_fury_maxx_2/page6.html)
Good job AMD.
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ati seems to be back on top for the hour...but it seems unstable at best.
but this will be short lived...when NVIDIA releases its own dual GPU card based on two G92s.
but kudos for having the most powerful card on the planet...for the while.
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By the skin of its teeth it beats the other cards. 3.5 fps more is definitely NOT something to boast about.
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By the skin of its teeth it beats the other cards. 3.5 fps more is definitely NOT something to boast about.
Check this naysayer!!! LMAO... yuh know if it was the other way around, man woulda be like well a win is a win blah blah blah...
Here's something to consider Capt, the ULTRA is 600+ USD and the 3870X2 has an MSRP of 500-600USD so for < money you get 3.5fps > that IS something to boast about :p and something else to consider is when they get quadfire working even better. The 9800 GX2 isn't as elegant a solution, Nvidia seems stuck on DUAL CARDS... why not just use a single PCB? better for cooling too...
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LOL @ naysayer. Although I must admit the components for 2 cards on one non-rediculous sized pcb IS a feat in itself. Cudos.
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Tonnes of reviews:
http://www.presence-pc.com/tests/ATI-HD-3870-X2-22752/ (http://www.presence-pc.com/tests/ATI-HD-3870-X2-22752/)
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3209 (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3209)
http://www.digit-life.com/articles3/video/rv670-3-part1.html (http://www.digit-life.com/articles3/video/rv670-3-part1.html)
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/128...ard/index.html (http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/128...ard/index.html)
http://www.pcinpact.com/a-315-1-RV670_HD_3870_X2_CrossFire.htm (http://www.pcinpact.com/a-315-1-RV670_HD_3870_X2_CrossFire.htm)
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1228 (http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1228)
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_3870_X2 (http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_3870_X2)
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/ati_hd3870_x2/ (http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/ati_hd3870_x2/)
http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/R680_Has_Landed_ATI_Radeon_HD_3870_X2/ (http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/R680_Has_Landed_ATI_Radeon_HD_3870_X2/)
http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire/661/ati-radeon-hd-3870-x2/page1.php (http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire/661/ati-radeon-hd-3870-x2/page1.php)
http://www.generation-3d.com/articles-Radeon-HD-3870-X2-L-arme-ultime-d-AMD-,ar267.htm (http://www.generation-3d.com/articles-Radeon-HD-3870-X2-L-arme-ultime-d-AMD-,ar267.htm)
http://www.madboxpc.com/contenido.php?id=5590 (http://www.madboxpc.com/contenido.php?id=5590)
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,2252547,00.asp?kc=ETRSS02129TX1K0000532 (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,2252547,00.asp?kc=ETRSS02129TX1K0000532)
http://www.hartware.de/review_785.html (http://www.hartware.de/review_785.html)
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?type=expert&aid=512 (http://www.pcper.com/article.php?type=expert&aid=512)
http://www.insidehw.com/Reviews/Graphics-cards/ATI-Radeon-HD-3870X2-1-GB.html (http://www.insidehw.com/Reviews/Graphics-cards/ATI-Radeon-HD-3870X2-1-GB.html)
http://www.fpslabs.com/reviews/video/amd-radeon-hd-3870-x2-review (http://www.fpslabs.com/reviews/video/amd-radeon-hd-3870-x2-review)
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/490/ (http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/490/)
Oh one more thing, the 3870X2 is available NOW and its coming in at a SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER PRICE than the 8800Ultra but is matched by the 8800GTX:
8800 Ultra @ a WHOPPING $630USD (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130090)
8800GTX at a more reasonable $412USD however not a tier 1 maker though...ECS (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134009)
And last but not in the LEAST least...
Sapphire 3870X2 @ $449USD (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102723)
What was that capt? I can't hear you :awesome:
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Yep, the man does have a point. Pwngae performance for significantly less money.
Can't argue with that. The dual GPU on one PCB solution is what Nvidia should have done with the 7950 GX2.
Maybe then, quad-SLI would have been more viable.
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wow, W1ntry did his homework, my homework, meh son homework and the next door neighbour homework too.
/me sets aside sunday afternoon to read through all those review links.
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well havent read the propaganda spools that winny put out there but kudos for releasing a card months after nvidia and getting 3.5fps more.... yay... a m a z a z i n g....
lawl
*clap clap clap* ooo look at that is nviida releasing something that is gonna give maybe 20 to 30 more fps some time soon? probably... yawn
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Actually crixx I am really uncertain which review capt read to get a mere 3.5 fps faster cause in many of the reviews the 3870X2 trades blows with the GTX and Ultra in some cases losing and in some cases besting even the Ultra by some 30+% so no MERE 3.5FPS. Now if crixx you would read something before you open your mouth and spew the usual fanboy rubbish you'd know that :p
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lol @ men burnin the idnight lantern readin up reviews :lol:
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Arcman's "hail to the king" review is the one I glanced at. Jumped to Crysis page and observed that across the board it only managed ~3fps over the 8800gt and only 1fps faster than the ultra.
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Holy Mother of PEARL!!! RED PEARLS!!!... JUST GO HERE (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/02/22/daamit-catalyst-intel)
And a teaser pic:
(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8061/3dm4000newhv6.th.jpg) (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dm4000newhv6.jpg)
That's on ONE 3870X2 Btw :awesome: (Expect closer to 30K when QuadFire is working)
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Powercolor debuts GDDR4 3870X2 boards
CeBIT 2008 Two new Theater cards as well
By Charlie Demerjian: Thursday, 06 March 2008, 1:08 PM
POWERCOLOR HAS THE some of the most advanced GPUs at CeBIT, as well as the most advanced TV cards. If you like either the vanilla 3870X2 and the Theater 550, you will love these.
What you see here is a GDDR4 based 3870X2. It has Samsung GDDR4 running of 1126MHz and they bumped the clocks to 825MHz.
(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6084/powercolorgddr4x2rw3.jpg)
Powercolor GDDR4 X2
The bridge chips is still PCIe1.0, but that will not hurt performance, all the ones out there now use it. Basically, this is going to be fast, very fast. Look for it in early April.
Things just keep looking up for the RED/GREEN camp... not the GREEN (ONLY) camp...
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It's not a bad time to have an DAAMIT rig:
ATI cuts prices on the 3850 and 3870
Price warfare
By Charlie Demerjian: Wednesday, 19 March 2008, 9:25 AM
ATI IS GOING TO drop prices on the 3850 and 3870 in the next day or two. This is not a short term thing, it is a permanent cut.
The price on the 3850/512 is going to sink to $145 or below, and the 3870/512 should hit $159 or less. At that money, many may ask, why bother with the 3850?
In any case, these are screamingly good deals. You can buy three 3870s for the price of a 3870X2, or three and a mobo for less than a GX2. Not bad.
When you look at it, the COST of a quad core AMD system is gonna be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than the Intel/Nvidia equivalent.
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Asus Trinity cometh.... O_O
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7559.html (http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7559.html)
Sooner than expected, we've been served some more information about the prototype triple-core card from ASUS. Radeon HD 3850 Trinity will sport three RV670 cores, all on separate MXM modules. Last we reported we did not know the exact specifications of the card, but those have been unveiled today. The core clock is 668MHz and each core has 512MB GDDR3 memory running at 1656MHz, that's a total of 1536MB (and 960 unified shaders if you want to get technical).
(http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5765/image3zu7.th.jpg) (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image3zu7.jpg)
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That 3dmark score is nothing short of impressive. Amd is really making strides in the gpu segment. It's looking more and more like my next video card purchase is going to be ati.
I wonder what kind of price tag that baby comes with.
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DAAMIT 3850 X2 takes curtain
You probably were expecting this
By Wily Ferret: Friday, 25 April 2008, 11:23 AM
AFTER TAKING ITS SWEET TIME perfecting its answer to the GX2 cards, AMD is ramping up its dual-chip card output with a new model designed for the not-quite-so high-end gamers that it previously hit with the 3870 X2.
If you were a betting man, you might have put a few squids on the next dual-chip card out of DAAMIT being a slightly slower clocked version of the debut board, marketeered as a 3850 X2 in line with its single card brethren. Well, you'd be right, although we're not sure exactly what odds Ladbrokes would have given you.
The card is due to get its official unveiling next week, but a few of the hardware site boys have got their hands on preview models already. You can see Ryan Sprout's take at PC Perspective here.
The core chips on board run at 670MHz and the memory runs at 830MHz - as compared to the 825/900MHz speeds of its big daddy. Don't expect a whole lot of overclocking headroom - given that the chips themselves are simply the same thing speed binned, chances are these have already been tested at the higher speeds and found to be lacking.
The board has 1GB of RAM in all and will cost US punters around $350, so expect that to hash out to around Ł300 in Blighty. Look out for masses of the little devils to hit hardware reviewers next week.
However you can get urs NOW: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121245 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121245)
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For 349 dollars, amm, i'll pass. Just doing some reviewing in my head, 9600gt's performance is sort of on par with the 3870, so two 9600gt's in sli should keep up with a 3870x2 right? If the 9600gt's are faster than a 3850, then two 9600gt's in sli should outperform a 3850x2 right.. someone help me with the maths. Because a 9600gt solution looking much better than getting this card. oh and well TWIMTBP will also help.
**** just found this to back up my view, http://en.expreview.com/2008/02/23/geforce-9600gt-review/?page=16 (http://en.expreview.com/2008/02/23/geforce-9600gt-review/?page=16), seems like 9600gt's in sli beat the 3870x2 in real world gaming, but they lose in synthetic tests.
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Well noone is arguing that the 9600GT in SLI wouldn't be faster in gaming. But it's nice to have options. On the other hand, someone who's heavy into.. say Folding @ Home and could care less about gaming, this card would WTFPWN any Geforce (this is a misnomer seeing as no Nvidia card can fold). But you get the idea.
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yea... good to have variety, keeps prices under control and consumers happy.
*off topic*.. i forgot about ATi's cards ability to use the folding at home program, with so many units in the 3870's and 3850's, that would be sweet. but why... never mind.. i can't wait to see ATi's offering with their 4k series..