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Tech Talk => Hardware, Tweaking & Networking => Graphics Cards => Topic started by: W1nTry on June 15, 2008, 02:27:44 PM
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I figured it was about time this get its own thread. That being said, here is a $HITLOAD of benchmark results:
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/06/14/complete-gtx280-scores-here (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/06/14/complete-gtx280-scores-here)
That list is SO long it's impressive, only time will tell how REAL those values are. If they are, then the new series is up to 2000% faster, yes you read right TWO THOUSAND PERCENT. Keep in mind that doesn't exactly translate into frame rates to blow the mind. Either way have fun.
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You mean up to 2957% faster...
Hmmm two of those in SLI will certainly conquer Crysis (read max resolution, aa, af, detail @ <30fps)
But de price dred...
I cant wait to see ATI's numbers. $350 is sounding rather juicy.
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O.o @ 2000 % faster, if the frame rates were compatible with that increase, we wouldnt even be able to tell but damn!! that kinda performance could seperate my colours from my whites and replant my lawn while sweating some cod and crysis same time!! besss
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http://www.hardware-aktuell.com/viewtest.php?article=51
http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/NVIDIA_GeForce_GTX_280_Preview/5872.html
That 2000% is likely a bug making the 9800gtx perform bad at a certain setting.
I'd say its 30-60% faster , as expected .
Damn fine card if you can afford the 650 US price tag : http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/13/gtx-200-finally-officially-priced/
Likely 2x 4870s in Crossfire will match it or beat it at a similar price, the 4870 being a good deal faster than a 9800gtx
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Official reviews are out
www.techreport.com
www.anandtech.com
The 9800GX2 beats the GTX280 in most things., 3870X2 even tops it in one benchmark.. Definately looks like ATI is back , the 4870 will surely be faster than the 9800GTX , thus the 4870 X2 faster than the GT280.
The availability of cheaper faster alternatives to GT200 hardware is quite dangerous for NVIDIA, as value does count for quite a lot even at the high end. And an overpriced high end card is only really attractive if it's actually the fastest thing out there.
But maybe with the lowered high end threat from AMD, NVIDIA has decided to make a gutsy move by positioning its hardware such that multiGPU solutions do have higher value than single GPU solutions. Maybe this is all just a really good way to sell more SLI motherboards.
SLI and crossfire FTW?
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Not the revolution in performance I'd hoped for. Price/performance for the GTX-260 sucks as well.
$400 US is totally out of my usual GPU budget. Anybody know what the official retail price of the
ATI 48xx series cards are?
Also, I need to see an official ATI 48xx vs Nvidia GT200 series comparison.
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NDA expires on ATI cards june 25th.. wait a week.
4850s have been ready since last month, but the 4870s GDDR5 ram delayed it a bit.
4850 512mb GDDR 3 : 199US
4870 512mb GDDR5 : 299 US
4870 1 GB GDDR 5 : 349 US
Edit : 4870s should be out june 25th http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=554
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^^^Ah...niceness, and my mobo is Crossfire capable. :happy0203:
*ponders: single 4870 512MB, or 2 x 4850 512MB*
A final, knock-down, drag-out, head-to-head comparison shall drive my decision. :)
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As arcman said.. not the result i expected to see. They talked about these new cards as if they were the Mac daddy of all gpu's... but to be outperformed by a card supposedly "lower" in the line up, it's interesting, but as they said at the time of the 8800gtx, two 7900gtx's in SLI outperformed it in current games, yet the 8800gtx is still a high end performing card leaving out the 7900gtx. So i do really hope that the true potential of these cards can be utilized in the future.
But Ati's offerings are due next week, if they are so uber as the rumors said, looks like a crown will have to change heads.
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architecture behind the GTX280 can't be faulted ,its a solid card and solid design.
Once the cost comes down and clocks start to ramp up ie. by 55nm and 45nm revisions , we'll see the true power of the card.
If you notice the GTX280 is clocked LOWER than any card available these days. If it were to gain a 200mhz speed bump it would be an utter monster.
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i never downed the card.. i just showed disappointment in the results of the debut card. Clearly i can see that the shader and core clocks are significantly lower than current cards, but i did notice it still was close to or more than the power of the dual gpu 9800gx2, which shows some significance at its current clock. as i said earlier, i do hope the potential of these cards can be utilized in the future, in the very near future i should say.. but right now, at its price and the current results from those benchmarks i remain disappointed.. i expected something more..
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Are you kidding me? These cards SUCK!!
Over a year ago, I bought my 8800gts 640 for $380. Here we are all this time later and nvidia's newest card at the same price point is BARELY faster, but supposedly a lot more powerful because they boast much better specs...but barely deliver much more in what matters most...gaming.
Epic fail, nvidia.
I'm seriously considering a lil 4850x2 setup or single 4870 1gb, unfortunately, i'm gonna have to do a mb upgrade as well. I cant wait to see the benchies on these things.
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Well, the cards are officially out and so are the reviews. Get your reading on here (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/06/16/daily-wibble-16jun2008).
They are also already available for purchase. (http://www.amazon.com/XFX-GX280NZDF9-GeForce-Express-S-video/dp/B001B1R5QO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1213699487&sr=8-1)
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And here I was thinking to sell my nice heatpipe cooled 8800GT and get a 4870 or something... when for the price of 1 more 8800GT or say... 180USD I can get the same performance as a GTX280....
http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=3584 (http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=3584)
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...and look at how cheap you'll achieve that performance too. They can't justify why i'd spend so much on one card when I can get 2 that will deliver the same performance for a SIGNIFICANTLY lower price. BECAUSE it is one card? pfffttt. Moving on...
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Well ur light bill is another reason I suppose... and with prices going up.... it may be MORE of a reason than you think XD
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i wish my board was sli.. :crybaby2:
but the price/performance of that new chip definitely sucks... i expected more than that. ATi is probably laughing at nVidia right now but we're still to see their offering, and i wonder if it will be the decapitation of nVidia's "reign".
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Here is a much more optimistic review and shows that SLI and TRI-SLI does in fact SCALE well with the GT/X series:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-280-sli-triple-review-test/1 (http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-280-sli-triple-review-test/1)
They managed 2560x1600 resolution in Crysis @ 38 FPS albeit at 3000 or 4000USD.... for the rig to do it XD
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sli simply is not feasible with these new cards. But the ati cards on the other hand make multi gpu affordable and worth while.
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to buy two of those new gtx cards for sli is murder.. esp for the gtx280.. i say that option is totally for the enthusiast pc user.. in other words, that be ridiculous meng..
ati on other hand managed to get their price per performance down pat.. and the 4850's will be a best seller imo and if i sell my current gpu, i may consider a 4870. I'm with ATi for this round...
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steupsssss.....WHY are we still talking about these cards?
The price already puts it out of our reach (well except maybe a certain 'GTX ho' :lol:),
and the performance aint much greater than the current line-up.
I shall consult with the Oracle of GPU when all ATI's offerings are on the table.
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Biggest disappointment of the year (for me anyways). I was saving up to buy a GTX 280 when it came out, but, fire fi dat yes? I'll arrange to get a Black Edition 9800 GX2 instead. Why Nvidia, WHY!!!!
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Interesting development (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-PhysX-GTX2800,5725.html), but this means that the newer cards are competitive in 3DMark only.
If there aren't a slew of upcoming games that implement PhysX in their codebase, then this would be all for naught.
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I might as well put this here instead of starting a new thread for it:
Nvidia "opens can of whoop-ass" on itself
Millions of failing parts, income way down
By Charlie Demerjian: Wednesday, 02 July 2008, 11:22 PM
Click here to find out more!
NVIDIA IS TANKING, we told you so. It just put out two pieces of very bad news, It's taking a $150-200M charge in the quarter for what looks to be a product failure, and ATI is kicking its rear end.
If you look at the 8K form it just filed, there are two big pieces of bad news. The first is that some unnamed mobile and MCP products have big problems, hundreds of millions of dollars worth. It is said to be, "Arising from a weak die/packaging material set in certain versions of our previous generation MCP and GPU products used in notebook systems". That is bad, but to make matters funnier, "There can be no assurance that we will not discover defects in other MCP or GPU products."
To us, this says they used the same materials in other things, and it takes a while to show up, shown by the 'previous generation' bit. We'll bet money that this is the tip of the iceberg. Also, given how much mobos and mobile GPUs cost, this looks like a problem that is affecting a million or more units. Unrelated pricing of Dell notebooks today led us to see that, for most parts, NV mobile GPUs are either a $80 or $130 upgrade over integrated. $150-200M/$130 is still over a million, likely multiple millions of dead parts. Don't treat the future here lightly.
The bigger problem is what we have been saying for a long time, ATI is kicking Nvidia up and down the block. It sets quarterly guidance down to $875-950M vs $1.1 billion for the quarter. Guess why? Nvidia isn't't saying, but this, this, and this are good places to start, as is the partner exodus. More on that later, this is a start, but they are far from the only ones. Please note that this drop does not include the one time charge from the dead parts.
Nvidia is going to lose gobs and gobs of market share this year. They are effectively out of notebooks, will lose the high end in days, don't have anything close to a competitive line-up, have higher costs than ATI, and have to shell out money to keep partners alive. If you think this is bad, wait a little.
NV's roadmap is empty, ATI's is not.
100 basis points my ass.
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/02/nvidia-opens-whoop-ass-itself (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/02/nvidia-opens-whoop-ass-itself)
This is not good... not good at all... unless it's a strange conspiracy by Nvida&Intel to plumet the share price of Nvidia to make it easier to swallow by Intel. To put up a front Nvidia has been at Intel's throat... call me a conspiracist but if it comes to pass yuh know where yuh heard it first...
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Well i guess ATi have smiles wider than nile river on their faces right now. bad news for nvidia, good news for ATi i suppose.
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W1n, we both know that saying Charlie doesnt like Nvidia is like saying the sun rises in the east, so...yeah. He did predict trouble, but he said that it will be because of poor yields for their 260 and/or 280 cards...(which we havent seen much evidence of as yet).
But, yeah...there's no telling the extent of trouble this could spell for graphzilla. Just think of it...your brand new 7 series chipset and your spankin new gtx280 which you paid like $700us for will *gasp* go up in smoke after a while. I guess that's where warranties come in, but who needs the stress? Folks hearing of this news might take in front and jump on the MAD bandwagon using this con as a main reason for the jump. Personally, i've gotta say that i wasnt planning to pelt out paper on any of their new cards, and this news sure doesnt help to reverse that stance.
But the speculation and the hate is clear and present in this article so I won't go about taking what Charlie says as gospel. We've just got to see what happens in time. I just hope that nvidia keeps up the competition because lets face it, the more intense amd/nv/intel fight, the better it is for us.
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http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8252&Itemid=34
GTX260 may be priced as low as 370, the GTX 280 560 US due to price cuts... If all this news is true , ATI looks like they will be topdog for another year at least.
Competition is always great... Nvidia got sloppy and deserved this , though they are far from dead.
I doubt intel would buy them out unless they were just feeling plain evil... Nvidia doesn't bother them beyond insults made in the media.
The more competition the better , i agree with Winny.
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like Saxman sell he gtx at the right time lol
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GTX260 selling for MC 299 on newegg, GTX280 for 499... My prediction was right for a 300 dollar GTX series before the end of the year... but i didn't think it would come so soon.
299 actually makes it a half decent buy... But i can just imagine how much money Nvidia is loosing because of this whole fiasco.
Looks like when the 55nm refresh hits the GTX270 may go for even less than 300 .
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like Saxman sell he gtx at the right time lol
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
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Well it didnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that nvidia will HAVE to drop their prices...and fast. But still, most of the gtx260's are going for closer to $400 so it still isnt a widespread phenomenon.
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And considering the 4870 is kicking it's @$$ in terms of performance in most cases, it's still not NEARLY as attractive as they need to be...
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Precidely. The win still lies with the 4870.
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Soon, biatches.....soon. The light of the GPU Gods will shine upon me. :happy0203:
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But on a serious note, everyone jumping the DAAMIT bandwagon, which is fine. But the 8800GT is still a BESS card... not to mention 8800GT SLI in many cases bests the 4780 and uses LESS POWER... all well and good to go 4870, but unless you going 4870 Xfire... a man could just as easily go 8800GT SLI and have similar/better performance than the single 4870... comments?
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Yea...but would require that men have SLI boards...which not all do. If you've got an slii board, all well and good. In fact, its probably even better as Nividia cards work better with nvidia chipsets. But if you rocking straight intel like some of us, and if you're like me in particular you have only 1 pci-e, then...
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I hear ya. Quick question, the mounting holes in an intel mobo LGA775 at they squarely separated? meaning you can spin a HSF 360 degrees and the mounting will be the same regardless? or is it a rectangular spread?
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Yea...but would require that men have SLI boards...which not all do. If you've got an slii board, all well and good. In fact, its probably even better as Nividia cards work better with nvidia chipsets. But if you rocking straight intel like some of us, and if you're like me in particular you have only 1 pci-e, then...
Tell im nah...like he forget that. I not fixin to replace my mobo in a hurry.
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Ent boy Arc.
W1n, the holes are arranged in a square. They can be oriented in any of the four possible positions.
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-directx-drivers,5821.html
Nvidia supposedly is releasing DX 10.1 capable cards in Q1 2009 , probably the 55nm and 45nm refresh of the GTX architecture.... There seems to be a bleak future for all for the currant nvidia cards on the market if you are looking for longevity.
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Well I guess you miss some targets sometimes.. we just have to hope Nvidia can weather the storm and continue to deliver in future, cause we DON'T want the competition being reduced to just DAAMIT and Intel... I'd rather a healthy Nvidia, DAAMIT AND Intel. Better for us and better for driving tech.
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yea.. i do hope nvidia stays around, i guess they will anyways, more competitors are good for the consumer...
WRT 8800gt sli, i'm so unlucky my board wasn't the sli version, i woulda done have another 8800gt in dis machine... unless i try that volt mod... nah not taking dat chance..
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^^ lol. man had a serious conversation with heself dey yes.
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ATI has had such a good effect on prices, you can now get a GTX-260 for 299.99 (http://www.amazon.com/XFX-GX260NADF9-GeForce-Express-S-Video/dp/B001BADR6M/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1216508357&sr=8-1). :awesome:
Has Nvidia ever dropped prices so drastically on 'flagship' products mere weeks after release?
Not that I could remember. Thank you ATI. :notworthy:
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OH...MY..... GOD....
Too bad I broke for a while... It will be at least a month before "Bertha" is brought back online. My new Shuttle XPC will have to do till further notice
...also a GTX 280 can now be had for US$450 (http://www.amazon.com/XFX-GX280NZDF9-GeForce-Express-S-video/dp/B001B1R5QO/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1216510260&sr=8-1)
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all of this... my o my, look how nvidia fold to d pressure...
and with the 4870x2 coming out... more pwnage from ATi... lol
i just wish amd could do this to intel.. like soon!
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Yess yesss *evil laugh* fight with each other till prices reach a record low *does evil grin into the camera*
and scene........lol
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Some other prices:
Nvidia GeForce 9800GTX is US$200 - US$220 (http://www.amazon.com/512-P3-N871-AR-GeForce-9800GTX-512MB-Graphics/dp/B0016BL5M4/ref=pd_bbs_7?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1216552177&sr=8-7) and the 9800GX2 is as low as US$375 - US$400 (http://www.amazon.com/PNY-GeForce-1024MB-Express-VCG98GX2XPB/dp/B0015DELBU/ref=pd_bbs_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1216552177&sr=8-3) now
Nvidia moving just like TSTT and ATI like Digicel: The green 'network' only dropping prices because the red 'network' seriously offering something better at a better price.
Has Nvidia ever dropped prices so drastically on 'flagship' products mere weeks after release?
Not that I could remember. Thank you ATI. :notworthy:
Quoted for Truth! :banana: :yay: :happy0203: :lol: :mellow:
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now lets see if AMD can do the same with the chips and get cheaper intel quads :D, one can dream.
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the quads are already cheap
look at the price of the q9300
wah more yuh want?
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Anyone bought a new GTX 200 series card at launch date and now :crybaby2: because of the big price drop mere weeks later?
Well XFX and EVGA has good news for YOU:
XFX: http://www.xfxforce.com/en-us/Features/GTXCASHBACK.aspx
EVGA: http://www.evga.com/articles/EVGABucksPromo.asp
Corresponding news articles:
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15124
http://www.techspot.com/news/30901-evga-follows-launches-its-own-geforce-gtx-200-cash-back-program.html
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That most likely WON'T apply to INTERNATIONAL sales :p
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Yea...that applies to US and Canadian customers only.
But who among us really went out and bought a 260/280 card at launch? Really?
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Geforce owners....READ!!!!!
http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,15076.new.html#new
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Ah boy..Looks like Nvidia has finally closed the price performance gap at the 270-300 US price point.
Check out the new GTX260 Core 216 (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3408).
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3474/capture22092008095001be4.jpg)
According to the benchmarks, its just that much faster than the HD4870. Stock version = 279 US. OC'ed version = 299 US.
Not bad at all. Nvidia back in the game, but is it a case of too little too late? ATI done get all mih money.
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they eh get my money doh :P an nvidia sure gettin it now
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Only an overclocked 216 beats the hd4870. Rest a overclock on the hd4870 and watch that 260 get burnnn. Ati still ftw. Talk done.
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WTH is up with all the stupid numbers, I mean can they get any more confusing!! Why can't they just use GTX 1,2,3 or 4 to show low end to high end!!
They really need to revamp how they name cards man it's freakin ridiculous now...
Despite that, this card looks like a pretty good buy in terms of affordable bang for buck
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were it not for the HD 4870 we'd still be taking out loans to buy a GTX 260
I am ordering my HD 4870 first thing in the morning. thus rewarding AMD for good price/performance
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GTX295 Cometh: http://vr-zone.com/articles/geforce-gtx-295-card-exposed/6264.html?doc=6264 (http://vr-zone.com/articles/geforce-gtx-295-card-exposed/6264.html?doc=6264)
(http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/358/geforcegtx2951tt4.th.jpg) (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=geforcegtx2951tt4.jpg)
AKA the HD4870X2 competitor... I am guessing it's GT260 (216)x2 in a single package.
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if it performs like gtx260 216's in sli, then this will PWN!! but the only thing i guess will deter some people from buying it will be the price, hope nvidia puts it in the same price bracket as the 4870x2.
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*writes letter to santa*
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steups. who want a 9800GX2 to buy?
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if it performs like gtx260 216's in sli, then this will PWN!! but the only thing i guess will deter some people from buying it will be the price, hope nvidia puts it in the same price bracket as the 4870x2.
Actually depending on clock speeds it may perform like an SLI set up with a card that performs between the 260 and 280 as if you read the specs, it has 240 Stream processors per GPU, which puts it above the 260, but it has an odd memory size which suggests it's a GTX280 with the GTX260 memory interface. This does make some sense because the problem with this card was always COOLING... so a process shrink of the GTX280 with a slightly smaller memory interface == GTX295
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A more in-depth look at the GTX 295.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3481
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omg that card looks like sex!!!!
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^I kno. It does look fast. :ko:
*sits and wonders why I said that*
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A more in-depth look at the GTX 295.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3481
Wow, I can hear the WURRRRRRRRRRRRRRing sound just looking at it. Should have killer performance though.
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Get ur GTX295 reviews:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/13006-nvidia-geforce-gtx-295-video-card-preview.html (http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/13006-nvidia-geforce-gtx-295-video-card-preview.html)
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-295-preview/1 (http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-295-preview/1)
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=651&type=expert&pid=8 (http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=651&type=expert&pid=8)
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/12/18/first-look-nvidia-geforce-gtx-295-1792mb/1 (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/12/18/first-look-nvidia-geforce-gtx-295-1792mb/1)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-295,2107.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-295,2107.html)
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11014&Itemid=40 (http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11014&Itemid=40)
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTU5OSwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA== (http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTU5OSwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==)
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/gtx295/ (http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/gtx295/)
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that card performs lovely, but it's a bit late to truly trouble ATI's undies, but definitely a decent card for one to get. Can't wait to see the full proper review of it and also can't wait to see ATi's answer. The competition is lovely aint it?
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Don't throw out or sell thos 8xxx and 9xxx series Geforce cards yet.... PhysX is coming:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/855/1/ (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/855/1/)
(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1895/16x12ud2.th.jpg) (http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=16x12ud2.jpg)
Things that make yuh say hmmm...
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better performance yes, but nothing so major... i still have my 8800gt here saving it for a coworker, but my board doesn't have two full x16 pci-e ports anyways to try it out, sigh, this is something i'll leave to the future.
HOLY SNAP SON!!!!!!!!!!!! LOOK AT THOSE GRAFFEXXXXXX ZOMGGGGGGG... i downloading da demo now son... wayyyy
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U guys think the price of the GTX 260 will drop any lower when the 295 comes out in a few weeks i ask because i am going to buy a 260 some time in the next few weeks
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well the new 55nm 260's are out, so yea...
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id say even if the price doesnt go down
get the evga 260 216 its just 47 dollars more and its loads better
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Behold the GTX 295 REVIEW!!! This card definitely tames that old game called Crysis......officially on sale from today.
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=655
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=3&id=2780
Arc yuh X2 finally get dethroned hehe
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/buys 500+ dollars worth of nvidia stock thankyou very much
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U guys think the price of the GTX 260 will drop any lower when the 295 comes out in a few weeks i ask because i am going to buy a 260 some time in the next few weeks
The price of the 260's will probably be less than $250 by the end of January due to the launch of the GTX 285 and 295. The 295 is apparently selling for $399 according to those reviews. Amazing how prices have fallen over the past few months on video cards.
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U guys think the price of the GTX 260 will drop any lower when the 295 comes out in a few weeks i ask because i am going to buy a 260 some time in the next few weeks
The price of the 260's will probably be less than $250 by the end of January due to the launch of the GTX 285 and 295. The 295 is apparently selling for $399 according to those reviews. Amazing how prices have fallen over the past few months on video cards.
They have too in this here RECESSION!! ROFL!!
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Haha yeah I think they mentioned that in the article.......
"Even in a slightly slower economy (is there even anyone at CES?) I find the prospect of the BFG GeForce GTX 295 1796MB a positive move from the company. The top-performing single graphics cards from both NVIDIA and AMD are now essentially priced at the same $399 level; that is well below the $649 prices we had seen previous flagship parts launch at and goes to show us how seriously both sides are taking the decline in hardcore PC gaming sales. NVIDIA is definitely the company that is "pushing" PC gaming forward again with technologies like CUDA, PhysX and GeForce 3D Vision, even if they are a bit over zealous at times about them. I am not saying you should jump on the NVIDIA bandwagon because of that, but the extra features (that either will or could improve your gaming experience in the future) certainly aren't going to hurt gamer morale.
The GeForce GTX 295 isn't going to be in everyone's price range but I can't help but be impressed by the performance the card brings to the table for the money. NVIDIA is back on top of the graphics world. "
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U guys think the price of the GTX 260 will drop any lower when the 295 comes out in a few weeks i ask because i am going to buy a 260 some time in the next few weeks
The price of the 260's will probably be less than $250 by the end of January due to the launch of the GTX 285 and 295. The 295 is apparently selling for $399 according to those reviews. Amazing how prices have fallen over the past few months on video cards.
Man who smoke in toilet high on pot.
You keep saying $399, but there's no way nvidia will sell a card thats outperforming the 4870x2 for LESS than the x2. Come on! Its NVIDIA we talking about here.
That said, nice card. Can't wait to see ATI's reaction in terms of an actual new card and not just on the price war front, although I heard nothing will be forthcoming until the second half of this year. This year should see an interesting war being waged both on the price and performance front.
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U guys think the price of the GTX 260 will drop any lower when the 295 comes out in a few weeks i ask because i am going to buy a 260 some time in the next few weeks
The price of the 260's will probably be less than $250 by the end of January due to the launch of the GTX 285 and 295. The 295 is apparently selling for $399 according to those reviews. Amazing how prices have fallen over the past few months on video cards.
Man who smoke in toilet high on pot.
You keep saying $399, but there's no way nvidia will sell a card thats outperforming the 4870x2 for LESS than the x2. Come on! Its NVIDIA we talking about here.
That said, nice card. Can't wait to see ATI's reaction in terms of an actual new card and not just on the price war front, although I heard nothing will be forthcoming until the second half of this year. This year should see an interesting war being waged both on the price and performance front.
Just restating what is in the review on the $399, dunno where they getting their information from. Good times for consumers though.
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U guys think the price of the GTX 260 will drop any lower when the 295 comes out in a few weeks i ask because i am going to buy a 260 some time in the next few weeks
The price of the 260's will probably be less than $250 by the end of January due to the launch of the GTX 285 and 295. The 295 is apparently selling for $399 according to those reviews. Amazing how prices have fallen over the past few months on video cards.
Man who smoke in toilet high on pot.
You keep saying $399, but there's no way nvidia will sell a card thats outperforming the 4870x2 for LESS than the x2. Come on! Its NVIDIA we talking about here.
That said, nice card. Can't wait to see ATI's reaction in terms of an actual new card and not just on the price war front, although I heard nothing will be forthcoming until the second half of this year. This year should see an interesting war being waged both on the price and performance front.
Just restating what is in the review on the $399, dunno where they getting their information from. Good times for consumers though.
They probably mean British POUNDS or Euros! LOL
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Let me put the dispute to rest, the card is 500USD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121296&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Video+Cards-_-ASUS-_-14121296 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121296&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Video+Cards-_-ASUS-_-14121296)
(http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/8595/gtx295to9.th.gif) (http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gtx295to9.gif)
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It was a typo on my end.....$499....
"Even in a slightly slower economy (is there even anyone at CES?) I find the prospect of the BFG GeForce GTX 295 1796MB a positive move from the company. The top-performing single graphics cards from both NVIDIA and AMD are now priced at near the same level($499 for NVIDIA's GTX 295 and $449 for AMD's HD 4870 X2); that is well below the $649 prices we had seen previous flagship parts launch at and goes to show us how seriously both sides are taking the decline in hardcore PC gaming sales. NVIDIA is definitely the company that is "pushing" PC gaming forward again with technologies like CUDA, PhysX and GeForce 3D Vision, even if they are a bit over zealous at times about them. I am not saying you should jump on the NVIDIA bandwagon because of that, but the extra features (that either will or could improve your gaming experience in the future) certainly aren't going to hurt gamer morale. "
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The GTX 295 is here
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-017-P3-1292-AR-GeForce-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B001P05JXM/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1231534740&sr=1-9
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How much are the GTX 285's supposed to go for?
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How much are the GTX 285's supposed to go for?
The 285 is out (it is almost the same price as a 280)
http://www.amazon.com/XFX-GeForce-GTX-Video-Card/dp/B001PPQBOI/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&s=pc&qid=1232058952&sr=1-12
http://www.amazon.com/BFG-BFGEGTX2851024OCE-GeForce-Express-Graphics/dp/B001OMGZL6/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=pc&qid=1232058952&sr=1-11
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look at the price of a GTX280 now nah... lmao my word
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New video cards
GeForce GTS 250
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gts_250_us.html
GeForce GT 130
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gt_130_us.html
GeForce GT 120
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gt_120_us.html
GeForce G100
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_g_100_us.html
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Before ppl run out and snap this up you NEED to at least read the underlying (read nvidia doesn't want anyone to realize) important part of the following articles:
Nvidia spins on the GTS250
Whoopty ding-dong More underhand slides to bore you with
By Charlie Demerjian
Monday, 2 March 2009, 14:50
HOT ON THE heels of the silly G92 to GT200M renaming comes the slide-show of the GT 250 series. We told you about the flat-out underhand behaviour that Nvidia is doing with the launch, now prepare yourself for the agonizingly dull slides (which we have seen but cannot publish for legal reasons).
This set is only 18 slides long – not quite into bite-your-tongue-off-to-ease-the-pain territory – but close.
The card is a case of YARGP (Yet Another Renamed G92 Product), and it brings absolutely nothing new to the table. Nvidia has a warehouse full of these, as do their partners, and they need to move them. People aren't buying, so it is time to rename and spin.
Spin they do, quite creatively, but not necessarily persuasively or convincingly as you will see. It is almost like they are embarrassed by their own actions. That said, here are the notes we took on the slides, one by one. Be still my beating heart.
First we have a splash screen called "Introducing the GeForce GTS 250". We won't quibble that they are introducing the card name, but the card itself has been with us since mid-2007. Nothing new here, really, and certainly nothing that warrants a new name.
Slide two is titled "What is the GeForce GTS 250?". There are two bullet points here, "New 1GB board positioned at $149", and "New name to align with with the new nomenclature". Yup, that's it. They just admitted there is nothing at all new, it is just a price drop and a sticker. The next 16 slides are worthless, but that won't stop Nvidia.
Slide 3 makes my head hurt. It is a large marketing chart that shows one data point, the 9800GTX+/512M goes from $149 to become the GTS 250/512 and the GTS 250/1G is now $149. You can tell "the awsumness" by a yellow 'new' symbol on the description. I am somewhat shocked that they didn't go a bit farther to point this out. It is, after all, new. Or is that 'new'. 'New!' perhaps? In either case, you could have bought the same exact thing with an 8800GT badge before Christmas 2007, so 'new' hardly seems realistic, and 'New!' is right out.
The next one shows that the clocks are 738MHz graphics, 1836MHz processor, and 1100MHz for memory with 1G of DDR3 and a power draw of 150W. Dual-slot cooling is standard, but luckily there have been no problems with cooling the older ones.
Slide 5 is really desperate. It lists 'best in class performance' without listing what they mean by class, or the fact that ATI eats them alive in this 'class'. Then they tout the rather limp Cuda, Physx and SLI, along with the 3D glasses as card features. Yup, those 3D glasses sure sparkle with that name change; new stickers sure do make a worthless toy pop to life. They then point out that the G92 is somehow future-proof with Windows 7, even though it won't do DX11. I would love to see the tortuous logic path that lead to that point, something about underpants gnomes and profit perhaps?
From there, it is on to graphs, four games comparing the GTS 250 to the Radeon 4850. Ironically, they chose games that Nvidia heavily invested in, Fear 2, Dawn of War 2, Mirror's Edge and Hawx, all released in 2009. I wonder why they didn't include the usual list of games, and some that they didn't sink six or seven figures of loyalty money into? Could it be that they lose badly? Nah, that wouldn't be it.
They have somewhere between no advantage on Fear and a large one on Mirror's Edge. From the disparity, they look to have turned on Physx for Mirror's Edge, giving them the advantage. The fine print says to see the appendix for the test configuration, but the press slide deck conveniently omits it. Curious that. In any case, none of these games runs at the requisite 120Hz needed for the 3D glasses they were touting in the last slide, but that is picking nits, isn't it?
Slide 8 goes back to hitting below the belt. It compares SLI vs Crossfire scaling on game release day. They show that Far Cry 2, Mirror's Edge, and Fear 2 all gained from SLI and lost frames with Crossfire. This is likely true, and the missing appendix noted on the bottom of the slide might shed some light. But, as I said, it is missing.
Why it is below the belt takes us on to a little bit about the gaming industry that Nvidia doesn't want you to know. You may know the Nvidia ads that are so annoying at the beginning of many games. They are there because Nvidia paid the devs a lot of money to put them in. This money – we hear more than a $1 million for AAA titles, especially if they are commonly benchmarked – isn't exactly given without strings.
If any company wants to display a game at a trade show, or publish numbers and benchmarks based on it, they need permission to do so. If Nvidia gave a company $1 million, and ATI calls up and says, "Can we use your game at E3 to show off in our booth?" guess what the answer will be?
More to the point, guess which company will have engineers embedded with the devs to make sure that their flavour of scaling will work really well? Guess which side will not be extended this privilege, or at least get a lot less love and support?
Basically, what Nvidia did is to spend money to keep ATI out of several games, and then used them as examples of how good SLI is. It isn't hard to win a race when someone breaks your opponent's knees, but is is sleazy to tout this as an athletic achievement on your part. Then again, Nvidia is like that.
Slide 8 is a bunch of throwaway lines by representatives of companies that received the aforementioned payouts. Given their profit margins, a $1 million cheque sure would make a new technology exciting, especially if layoffs were looming. Strangely, that is just what these people said and did.
The next one again shows off Mirror's Edge, and how a GTS 250 blows a 4850 and 4870 out of the water. Again the claimed appendix is missing, and the huge disparity suggests that reason for this is Physx. I am getting sick of using the words sleazy and unethical, but they do fit.
Getting into the double digit slides, we move firmly into the surreal with one entitled 'Gamer's Reaction to PhysX'. I must admit, I have never seen a PR department desperate enough to stoop this low before, but I have never seen a company need to rename a tired product four times before either.
This slide has three quotes from random people on three forums, Videogamer, Anandtech, and Gamepro. If three random people picked from message boards don't convince you that physx rox0rz, what will? What more do you need if that doesn't do it for you, bare minimum eye candy that whacks your frame rates in half on a much faster card? You do get that, honest. Real advances are 'coming soon', and by soon we mean when Intel and Havok release their next version.
Slide 11 shows TMPGenc going faster on a GTS 250 than an Intel E8200 CPU. The impressive numbers are not backed up by independent testing though. Nvidia doesn't mention this point for some reason.
12 is all about the 3D glasses that no one is buying, but that doesn't stop Nvidia from making slides about it. That said, I can't figure out what this has to do with renaming the G92, but they put it in anyway. Slide 13 is an analogue of slide 8, but replace physx with 3D glasses, and you get the idea. You get what you pay for.
That brings us to slide 14 which is all about Windows 7 and how it will use the GPU and CPU to accelerate things. The term for this is DX11, but Nvidia doesn't seem to mention that because the G92 can't do DX11. Ironically, this does tie in to card renaming, Win 7 is Vista SP1a, a renamed OS just like the cards. Sneaky one Nvidia, but it does hit the nail on the head.
Slide 15 goes more into this, but never mentions the G92, or the fact that it won't do the neato things that Win 7 supposedly brings. The G92 is fully DRM compliant, but that is not a point PR usually likes to make. On the next slide, Mike Nash of MS is quoted talking about NV and Win 7. Yay!
Slide 17 shows 7 benchmarks on Windows 7, all of which Nvidia leads. Two, Fallout 3 and Quake Wars, are listed as not running. Again, they refer to the appendix for details, and it is still missing. By now, I really do wonder how much they bent the rules if they are hiding it this much.
The last one is, ironically, the same slide as the last on on the GT200M deck, mostly because it is the same exact chip. Nvidia again claims leadership of the free world, that the G92 will make desserts taste better, and the fact that they own several trademarks that no one else uses.
So in closing, the GTS 250 is a new sticker on a G92 that is coupled with a $20 price drop. Big whoopty ding-dong... but they did take 18 slides to say it. µ
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/215/1051215/nvidia-gts250-presentation (http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/215/1051215/nvidia-gts250-presentation)
and for more nvidia hating:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/213/1051213/nvidia-gt200m-gt100m-slides-described (http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/213/1051213/nvidia-gt200m-gt100m-slides-described)
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I know you like everything AMD W1ntry, but oh GORM... :rolleyes:
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Thanks for the informative post W1ntry
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I know you like everything AMD W1ntry, but oh GORM... :rolleyes:
XD
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you go through real trouble dey wintry to point out d obvious. lol
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you go through real trouble dey wintry to point out d obvious. lol
Obvious to those that read tech articles... not so obvious to the casual gamer or a mostly console gamer.
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indeed thx w1n *thumbs up*
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Next new card is coming
GTX 275
Gtx 275 beats the gtx 285 at some games for over $100 USD cheaper.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-275,2266.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-275,2266.html)
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Surprised it took so long for anyone to post about this. It's a 250USD card and is available on newegg as we speak. Strange that it would best the 285 as the 285 is a higher clocked 280 and the 275 is a dumb downed 280.... hmm....
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Grabbing one of these very soon. Its a beautiful card
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Looking at your Sig Ug... how come you eh put up BENCHMARKS MAN!!! you have 8800GT in SLI.... granted your CPU holding you back big time... not to mention yuh eh even OC it to 3.2GHz-3.4Ghz.... what keeping yuh back dread?
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A Single PCB GTX295, definitely worth a read (pay attention to temperatures and power consumption vs the taditional dual PCB version AND the 4870X2):
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=19375&page=1 (http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=19375&page=1)
Final thoughts and rating
The Inno3D GeForce GTX 295 Platinum 1,792MB graphics card is the first that we've seen use a single PCB for housing two G200b GPUs; previous single-slot cards have used two PCBs. The manufacturing change results in a lighter card that still tips the scales at close to 1kg, and we can intimate that it's slightly cheaper to produce for NVIDIA's partners.
Construction aside, there's very little that's new here. GeForce GTX 295 remains the fastest graphics card currently available, and it should be so until both NVIDIA and ATI release their next-generation architectures in autumn 2009.
Costing £356, including VAT, at the time of writing, the Inno3D single-PCB card is one of the cheaper models around, although the asking price for twin-PCB models has fallen to below £400 for a wide range of partners.
Fast as it may be, blazing through benchmarks at 2,560x1,600, the card's value is always in doubt, because two GeForce GTX 260s - offering broadly similar performance in SLI - can be purchased for £250. Further, a Radeon HD 4870 X2 2,048MB, whilst not as fast, is a relative snip at £240.
If NVIDIA/Inno3D really, really want to shift some of these high-power cards we suggest an etail price of £299 all in - or less.
Bottom line: the single-PCB Inno3D GeForce GTX 295 Platinum's cosmetic differences and relatively attractive price are enough to entice buyers who would have the GTX 295 on their shortlist. For everyone else, we'd suggest waiting for prices to drop just before the next-generation parts hit the shelves, or to purchase a twin-card combination from lower down in the range.
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Ppl, new drivers are out and I must say they have games running milky smoove after I installed them. I also noticed a ridiculous reduction in the max temps of my card with intense action during games. Dunno what they did but they surely are working well
v257.21 drivers baby!!!!
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index5.aspx?lang=en-us (http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index5.aspx?lang=en-us)
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damn, i haven't updated drivers in monthsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.... i really out of the loop, thanks fish
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np :P