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Tech Talk => Hardware, Tweaking & Networking => Graphics Cards => Topic started by: Nephilim on March 31, 2009, 11:56:40 AM
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So in the next month or so i'll be upgrading my card and I R between a pickle and a hard place
with the card market having more options than a pedophile in disney land i've narrowes it down a bit.
On the one hand we have the awesomenes of the HD4870, but ATI drivers never like me and i still hear horror stories from time to time. Never had a probs with nvidia.
the 260 supposedly uses less power also as i'm trying to avoid upgrading me PSU until im ready for the i7 jump sometime next year
just wanna get some opinions.
If you had 200USD or so to get a card what would you get?
comments? suggestions?
EDIT.
these are what i was looking at
bfg maxcore 260 (http://www.amazon.com/BFG-BFGEGTX260MC896OCE-GeForce-MAXCORE-Graphics/dp/B001G0MSMG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1238516796&sr=1-2)
sapphire hd4870 (http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-HD4870-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B001J6FS3I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1238516871&sr=1-1)
SPECS:
GA-EP35-DSR3
Q9400 (en route)
4x1GB kingston hyperx
hx520 corsair
4 hdds
through corsair forums and via emails i've been assured that the 4870/260 should run within the limits of my PSU (close to about 475W consumption total on the system)
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lol it can go higher lol....
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First of all...what PSU do you currently have?
A complete list of system specs would help a great deal as well.
You know me, whichever performs better at the said pricepoint is the one for me.
The HD4870 1GB (http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-HD4870-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B001J6FS3I/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1238515973&sr=8-1) would be the clear choice at 200 US.
If power consumption is a real concern however, then the GTX 260 Core 216 (http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-896-P3-1255-AR-GeForce-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B001NXDQCW/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1238516239&sr=8-1) is your best bet, although if you buying that one
from Tigerdirect, you have to add about 10 US shipping to Miami, and taxes too.
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updated first post with requested information
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...and look Anadtech post up a Spring 2009 Video-card buyers guide here (http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=3538).
Makes for some interesting reading.
...and yeah, that PSU will run the 4870 once you dont plan on overclocking it.
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Go with the HD4870 1gig. It will definitely keep you happy for at least the end of the year.
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I say go with the 260, don't like the vibe with ati and dey drivers.....
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260 216 ftw
and sir that sig is full of too much win
please take it down
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lol what am I offending ppl with the sig lol Crix yuh aint vote in d man poll, come nah man how he go get he results :lol:
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actually your card is worth holding for a little while longer.... until the next cards come out and the prices drop again...
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I say go with the 260, don't like the vibe with ati and dey drivers.....
ATI is only having driver issues with CrossfireX setups at the moment, like the problem I described here (http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,14275.msg206216.html#msg206216).
Incidentally, now that I've reinstalled Vista, this problem no longer occurs.
Single GPU setups run just fine.
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Oh ok that's good to know :P Man jus buy a damn card yes right now I in d same boat...
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nice @ single gpu driver goodness
i had read the article in anand earlier too
well so far the scale is tipped toward the 4870, the non-reference cooler seems to be better also, so temps ain't a prob
thanks for the input, the masses will know the outcome in early april..wait today is the 31st...in mid april...
thanks again.
lol what am I offending ppl with the sig lol Crix yuh aint vote in d man poll, come nah man how he go get he results :lol:
i tell yuh it imba like tits :P
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What does plix mean?
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short for plix plox
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what does that mean !?
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if u want folding uberness go for 260, if u want to save some pesh and get decent game performance, go for 4870.....
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If you want to pwn nu@@as in cod, get the hd4870. See what I did there heheh
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i see what you dids there -.-
plix=plox=plz=please
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Go for the 260 i saw one for less than $200 usd at Tigerdirect
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4369730&CatId=3585 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4369730&CatId=3585)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4151772&CatId=3585 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4151772&CatId=3585)
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brazilians say inane things like plix plox and mengz in game online
so we make fun of them
plixity ploxity adenzzz mengz
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Well lookee here (http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-HD4890-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B0021AECEW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1238722191&sr=8-3).....
Aye Neph...yuh want my 4870 (http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-HD4870-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B001L1RZ00/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1238722564&sr=8-2)? :happy0203:
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ent i watching it since yesterday morning, the price eh bad, but i indecisive as to if to raise budget or stick to it as is.
reviewing performance numbers and the the 4890 looking like a mean card
how much you calling for it (your 4870)?
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I was just about to buy this before seeing Arc's link, the SAPPHIRE 100259-1GL (http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-HD4870-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B001J6FS3I/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1238786994&sr=8-1)
But that 4890 looking like the real deal. Nice find arc, nice find indeed.
Only US$50 more and I can stop bottom feeding in the Top 20 Top Rigs list.
Being #19 is a little worrisome. Two overclocking happy whipper snapper techies could bump me off.
I'll give it another week before dropping the $$.
Someone can have my 8800 to play with for cheap once it gets here.
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Before u guys run out and by that 4890 u might want to look at the New GTX 275.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-275,2266.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-275,2266.html)
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that's what I love about this forum. Expertly timed notodd, expertly timed.
I shall stay my hand until the 275 is readily available @ a decent price. (hopefully month end)
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...and this is where the 'tief head' is. Again, ATI comes up trumps to be the epic winner in the price vs performance batltlefield.
The GTX 275 seems to be a bit faster, but both cards trade blows at the resolutions that they are designed for...1680 x 1050, and 1900 x 1200.
Exactly what about the GTX 275 makes it more attractive than the HD4890? The 'slightly better' performance? Well if you think that, then pay your $250 US.
The HD4890 performs similarly, and will cost less, and you know ATI...the price could still drop again.
Come again Notodd1991...better dan dat. :)
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This graph says it best.
10% performance > than the 4890.
I'll be in the top 5 with those numbers for some time yet. (@ stock) lol
That's worth the us$20-30 more to steal a few bragging rights without breaking open the bank.
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U see, this is where the sheep are separated from the goats. When you look at the overclockability (http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/2705/overclocking_the_ati_radeon_hd_4890/index.html) of the 4890, you realise that you can easily surpass the stock speeds of the 275 and even win the overclocking battle between the two, all for less money...
But of course, there are the non-overclocking techies that like to stand on the "safe" side of the river, keeping their parts at stock. PFFFTTTTTTT
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If only that were true,
As you can see here, even when the 4890 is overclocked, the 275 @ stock still bests the ATI card.
12471 for Nvidia 275 (stock)
vs
12207 for Ati's 4890 (Overclocked)
Now imagine what would happen if you OC'ed the 275?
lihixxxxxxxxxxxx
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Well you cant really compare benchmarks from two different sites, because they use different test setups. If their testbed was identical, then i'd say you were right. Also, vantage by itself is not so good a comparison as physx is enabled in both the benchmark and the hardware...
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There setups were similar enough and we know (from our own top rigs chart and those worldwide) that the benchmark is GPU limited moreso than CPU limited.
TweakTown used for their 4890 overclocking Antics:
Processor(s): Intel i7 920 @ 3.8GHz (190MHz x 20)
Motherboard(s): GIGABYTE EX58-UD5 (Supplied by GIGABYTE)
Memory: 3 X 2GB OCZ Technology PC-12800 DDR-3 8-8-8-24 (OCZ3G1600LV6GK)
Drivers: ForceWare 182.06, Catalyst 9.2, Catalyst 8.14.10.0647 (HD 4890)
TomsHardware used this for those Stock Nvidia 275 benchmarks:
Processor: Intel Core i7 965 Extreme (Bloomfield) 3.2 GHz, 6.4 GT/s, 8 MB L3 Cache, power-saving settings disabled
Motherboard: Asus P6T (LGA 1366) X58/ICH10, BIOS 0403
Memory: Corsair Dominator 6 GB (3 x 2 GB) DDR3-1600 8-8-8-24 @ 1,600 MHz
Graphics Driver: Nvidia GeForce 185.63, Nvidia GeForce 182.08, AMD Catalyst 8.592.1 RC1, AMD Catalyst 9.3
I think the word we are looking for here is.....lihixxxxxxxxxxxx
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Nah NGW...my own thread shows what happens when you throw a superior CPU/platform into the mix. Those two systems use the same chipset,
but the presence of the 965 Extreme CPU in the 2nd setup effectively nullifies any direct comparison between the two. If the same CPU was used, then
we could have compared em fairly. Also, the 920 was overclocked, which further complicates the comparison.
Bottom line: the GTX 275 is faster, but you'll pay a lil bit more for it.
* patiently waits for TechReport's review/comparison *
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If anything, shouldn't the 4890 have had an advantage in the above scenario??
but since you are in agreement with the fact that the Nvidia offering is faster, I'll not split hairs.
Lihixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Anymore wrangling over card superiority and we'll have to settle this uwe boll style. Ringside, Street Fighter IV, lol
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If anything, shouldn't the 4890 have had an advantage in the above scenario??
It 'should', because of the healthy 920 OC, but the 965 Extreme is superior to the 920 in every way, so I'm still not convinced that that comparison is totally fair.
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Good luck trying to get one though. A quick check (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%20106792634%201067947241&name=GeForce%20GTX%20275) on Newegg shows that all 5 variations are out of stock.
Looks like vapourware to me...
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According to Amazon, the item is scheduled to be shipped on the 8th....so it's vapourware for the meantime, but likely not for much longer...
According to this page anyway:
http://www.amazon.com/BFG-BFGEGTX275896OCE-GeForce-Express-Graphics/dp/B00243FMWW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1239032863&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/BFG-BFGEGTX275896OCE-GeForce-Express-Graphics/dp/B00243FMWW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1239032863&sr=8-1)
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Good luck trying to get one though. A quick check (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%20106792634%201067947241&name=GeForce%20GTX%20275) on Newegg shows that all 5 variations are out of stock.
Looks like vapourware to me...
card not released yet... lol
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isnt the 16/04/09 the ship date ??
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I can wait, let a lil salary roll around to soften the blow.
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You guys havent been following the whole release of the 4890 and the gtx275 have you.
ATI was supposed to drop the 4890 on the 2nd April, which they did. Nvidia came out of the blue, literally overnight to announce that their 275 was coming out on the 2nd as well. In fact, they DID launch it on the 2nd and claimed that it would be widely available on that date. However, industry insiders correctly asserted that this card was a last minute last ditch effort to have a bit of competition for ati, so much so that they used a cut down version of the gtx280 to make them. They do not even have a SKU for this part people. Its like a poor afterthought of a child.
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hehehe hadda give em props lol is like the whole nvida marketing staff came from law offices.... adept at masking the truth and twisting it to their favour somewhat...
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well that sucks for those who want one LOL...
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Not the first time, won't be the last.
ATI and Nvidia have been playing this cat and mouse game for years.
The $250 price point is a very interesting one and it speaks to sensible buyers. Those not willing to go for broke on the latest and greatest card.
It's an important segment. I'd expect to see a lot of warring over it.
Just read this interesting article from Anandtech:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3539&p=1 (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3539&p=1)
They recommend the 4890 at lower resolutions (1920x1200 and below) Imagine that, 1920x1200 and the term "lower resolution" in the same sentence! The world has gone mad.
That is my sweet spot though, so based on their review, the ATI get's the nod.
It was also very interesting to see the side by side video of Mirrors Edge showing the benefit of the Physx engine. Not show stopping, but something I'd appreciate. Nod to Nvidia.
Another side note, seems you've got to be on Beta drivers for the ATI card to match the 275. Using the stable drivers, it gets a cutarse.
In conclusion, the cards are close enough in performance that either will be a welcome addition to a PC near you. That, is a good thing. Choose your poison, red or green. lol
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I think TechReport's comments here (http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/16681/13) puts this whole argument in perspective.
Either card seems like win. Its left up to the buyer to decide where their loyalties lie.
So, Nephilim...what say you?
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TechReport actually recommends looking at the cheaper cards yes. Well we reach.
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I think TechReport's comments here (http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/16681/13) puts this whole argument in perspective.
Either card seems like win. Its left up to the buyer to decide where their loyalties lie.
So, Nephilim...what say you?
i says 4870
at the price point it is hard to beat, the extra performance of the 90 is appealing...but my game rez is <19x16 so i won't really see the real benefit of it..also is like 50USD more :)
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Well, that kind of reasoning I certainly cannot argue with.
Make sure and get this one (http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-HD4870-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B001J6FS3I/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1239371710&sr=8-1) though. The better cooler really makes a difference with the heat,
and it allows you to OC it to 790/1100.
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yup. that's the very one I'm looking at.
and thanks for the advice,comments, and input from everyone. lets hope this thread helps a few lurkers as well.