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Title: Heroes of NewErth
Post by: TriniXaeno on July 07, 2009, 11:52:15 PM
Seems every developer and his bonzai plant is working on a Dota Killer.

This latest attempt, called Heroes of NewErth is by none other than S2 Games.

The same people that brought us the genre defying multiplayer masterpiece, Savage. (also featuring a land called New Erth)

This isn't vaporware either. The game is currently in beta. From reports, it is wtfpwnage.

Billed as a straight clone, don't expect much to change from the core gameplay, rather HON is more or less a fresh coat of paint and audio bites. Ain't nothing wrong with that.

Though this video didn't leave me overly convinced, I'm keen to take HON out for a spin as it addresses my key issue with the original dota. Namely, its dated appearance. Swear I have mame roms with better graphics.

Heroes of Newerth HoN NEW Gamplay Video! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTLgQbYVISA#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

In case you weren't paying attention, we now have Demigod, League of Legends (LOL) and Heroes of NewErth (HON) vying for the throne long ruled by Defense of the Ancients (DOTA)



GATT HoN roster:

VirtueTT
SlueChinTT
Carnivalking
Domzywomzy
daemonx
spartan
noobgonewild
ProQQ
Sujiero
suzieboy
haterforever
crackersz
Ashiee
ldqcocaine
ZusE_TT
Obea
mrknives
Revalations
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on July 15, 2009, 09:51:54 AM
OK, so I've gotten in on the beta and this game kicks ass!!

It is dota 2.0. Polished and refined to a diamond like quality.

I think S2 has a winner on their hands.

Played a game with Tempest (an enigma clone). All his moves in tact just graphically enhanced. They even had the necromicon, now called the Puzzle Box. I prefer the old name, but no matter.

Similar creeps, denying, tower denying. Almost a perfect replica of the maps and bush creep locations, river, the works.

Did I  mention the game kicks ass?

Not to be missed if you're a dota fan (or a fan of multiplayer gaming on the whole)
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: Eroo on July 15, 2009, 10:22:28 AM
How to get in on the beta?
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: rb on July 15, 2009, 10:53:58 AM
Jump on facebook and join the official group with the swiftness. When they hit 10000 fans they gonna give out beta keys, otherwise you need to find someone with invites.
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on July 17, 2009, 11:18:12 PM
Found the nevermore clone, SoulEater. I love what they've done with the place.

I see the facebook group blew past 10,000 fans yesterday (up to 12,000 last I checked).

Should see a ton of people joining the beta as a result. Won't be disappointed.

note, the instructions for the beta key is under "updates" and not your regular inbox

Also, the link is only valid for 36 hours. Move fast!
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: Berzerk on July 18, 2009, 03:33:58 PM
jus tried this (was bored nah)

never played DOTA.....but this looks kewl...depiste the nooberific gameplay i was conducting.....

looks somewhat addictive  :happy0203:
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: SPK on July 18, 2009, 04:48:23 PM
Talk about a DOTA facelift...too bad the beta doesn't have LAN support, otherwise this woulda run for tonight's LAN for sure!

Ah well, Quake 3 and FC2 ftw! :D
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: Eroo on July 18, 2009, 10:28:58 PM
HON will definitely be my new lan party game once it launches. I played with the Luna clone and it is excellent. Its still need some tweaking (well at least if they want to keep her similar to her DOTA character) , she seems to be a bit more powerful than her dota counterpart.

Combining items is so much easier, can be items from within the recipe.

Stat tracking to check a player, win, loss, quit, etc percentage.

This is exactly what I wanted for DOTA a long while now.


Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: Crixx_Creww on July 18, 2009, 10:33:00 PM
i have given up on dota because of leavers and whiners
been happily playing dow2

if this thing can give me some dota loving WITHOUT THE NOOB LEAVERS then yayz
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: Eroo on July 18, 2009, 10:39:30 PM
Well it shows a person quit percentage so if someone has a high quit percentage u can not allow them to join plus it has a noob filter to only allow high level ppl to join
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: Berzerk on July 18, 2009, 10:46:05 PM
gosh boy no love for the noobs oui..... :shakehead:
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on July 19, 2009, 05:40:13 AM
Yeah, and since you'll be going legit with this game, the leaver percentage would be much less. Persistent accounts online tends to sharply reduce the leave-erage.
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: Berzerk on July 24, 2009, 07:39:07 AM
Anyone want keys? i got 1 left...
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on July 24, 2009, 05:35:12 PM
I have a couple myself.

daemon x says we supposedly get more keys everytime we go up a level. Didn't test that theory yet though.
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: Crixx_Creww on July 24, 2009, 07:21:18 PM
can one of you two send me one please
havent been playing much for the past two weeks

but ill give it a try
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on July 26, 2009, 08:05:57 PM
I just got three more, woohoo. beta invites iwmc. pm if anyone else needs.
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: rb on July 26, 2009, 08:12:37 PM
I wasn't a fan of dota but I must admit the eye candy in this game really sells it to me. Is this one gonna be free ?
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on July 26, 2009, 08:19:34 PM
lol @ free. That would be a serious gift to the gaming fraternity. All that work for gratis.

if judging from s2's past, I'd expect one of two options:

Either:

1) US$20 to buy the game

or

2) Free to play, US$20 to get premium content (items, persistent leveling, etc...)

No matter which way they go, they'll get my money. (just as they did with savage)
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: Eroo on July 26, 2009, 08:48:23 PM
I'd be willing to pay a subscription fee for the awesomeness that is this game
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on July 26, 2009, 09:15:07 PM
lol, what is your name online eroo?

We looking for a 5 to play against the bajans.

Trinidad vs Barbados. Lihixxxxxxx idmc.

daemonx
spartan
noobgonewild

and 2 more? who willing and able?
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on August 01, 2009, 12:24:36 PM
HON Beta server is down at the moment.

S2games are working on a fix

See more here:

http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=6686 (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=6686)

(you'll need to be on the beta to visit that link as it requires login)
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on August 02, 2009, 12:16:58 PM
Servers back up
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: yourmother on August 02, 2009, 01:30:17 PM
can anyone send me a beta key? and where can i find the requirements for this game?
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: suzieboy on August 02, 2009, 11:13:29 PM
ATTENTION: another round of Keys is  dishin out...i jus got mine so get some!
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on August 03, 2009, 07:35:27 AM
yourmother, send me a Pm with the email address you'd like the beta invite sent too.
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: suzieboy on August 16, 2009, 07:18:19 PM
level sweat.... got some inv's
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on August 16, 2009, 07:29:38 PM
mine ran out, lol

how you got more?
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: suzieboy on August 16, 2009, 09:37:48 PM
i never gave out any :-P
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on August 22, 2009, 08:40:29 AM
Just got this from S2 Games. Hon is going on sale.

 The time is now, show your support of S2 Games and pre-purchase HoN for just $30 today.   By purchasing your full account today you ll receive the following:

          Reserve your Beta Nickname and Account

          Ability to Taunt in Game

          Special In-Game Icon

          Unique Chat Name Color

          Beta Invites for your friends

What are you waiting for, you know you love the game, so buy today:

https://www.heroesofnewerth.com/purchase_pref.php (https://www.heroesofnewerth.com/purchase_pref.php)

Thank you for your continued patronage and support,
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: Killa on August 27, 2009, 09:14:59 PM
so umm..for this Trini vs Bajan match..you looking to send the best 5 or just random 5...Trini Pride @stake here...
and i actually have a team that does train together n such...
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on August 29, 2009, 10:19:32 AM
sure what are there gatt names and hon names? sign 'em up. the more the merrier.

I'll add 'em on hon tonight.

In other Hon News, they reached 1 million matches online in just 2 months.

MADNESS. Now that is sweat.

See the official blurb below:

Heroes of Newerth Fans, Hopefully you have checked your Updates from the Inbox to see the link to redeem 1 of the 75,000 keys. We decided to do it today as a celebration of hitting 1,000,000 matches played in just over 2 short months of closed beta. That is awesome!

Well with that update, I could only imagine how flooded the servers are going to be this week.

They've added a few new heroes to the mix.

One of my dota favs, Bane Elemental has made it to Hon as the Succubus. See link for more info.

http://heroes-newerth.com/heroes/succubus (http://heroes-newerth.com/heroes/succubus)

Sandking has gotten the make over as well.

http://heroes-newerth.com/heroes/magmus (http://heroes-newerth.com/heroes/magmus)

Still waiting for Dragon Knight! Though I think they'll let Jereziah or Legionare hold his spot, steup.

Game on.
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: Shinsoo on August 30, 2009, 12:58:50 PM
I love this game. My name is ProQQ , add me .
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: SamuraiFoX on August 31, 2009, 05:28:29 PM
got the name Sujiero
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on August 31, 2009, 10:42:46 PM
added
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: suzieboy on September 01, 2009, 09:26:59 PM
I added all those i see here....
BTW new hero added!
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on September 02, 2009, 12:58:04 AM
good games tonight sujiero and suzieboy. well played

all you guys need is a little more of this (see attached)
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: Shinsoo on September 02, 2009, 08:11:51 AM
lol well give me a ring next time nah. I had to carry played on my back last night cause they couldnt carry themselves .

Sighzor, if ur skilled and know how to play with your team and you a really good player on ur team then msg this guy for a game ==> ProQQ

Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: SamuraiFoX on September 03, 2009, 07:57:25 PM
good games tonight sujiero and suzieboy. well played

all you guys need is a little more of this (see attached)
O dude u read my mind, Greeny44 is my gf she's not a noob but not hardcore like me, K3ss is moving up from beign a noob and wahts to be hardcore. I ok with them 2 v 2, but not 3 v 3 the extra person mixes things up so meh......
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on July 31, 2011, 11:22:48 PM
Epic Necro....but for a good reason.

Heroes of NewErth (Hon) is now Free2Play.

You read right. The infamous Dota clone now costs all of zero dollars.

Following in the same vein as Team Fortress 2 and League of Legends.

The free2play movement seems to be taking the world by storm (and I'm not complaining).

gg
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: Sesimie on August 01, 2011, 12:36:45 AM
Free 2 play with micro transactions.....more for me to play :P
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: suzieboy on August 02, 2011, 12:52:25 PM
yep and wud u believe 2 days before i spent $10US to purchase an account...argggggh..
anyhow suzieboy is my name for who ever wanna link me.
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: VirtueTT on August 02, 2011, 01:48:26 PM
yep and wud u believe 2 days before i spent $10US to purchase an account...argggggh..
anyhow suzieboy is my name for who ever wanna link me.

wow is suzieboy yes.. Can't remember the last time i see this man post anything or log in on the craft. What rock you under hoss?

I also may try playing HoN.. maybe.. the SC2 has a hold on me right now.
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: W1nTry on August 02, 2011, 04:27:03 PM
What are the system requirements to play HoN?
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on August 02, 2011, 04:39:14 PM
Windows

Minimum:

Processor - 2.8GHz Pentium 4 / 2.0GHz Core 2 / AMD 2400+ or faster
RAM - 1.5GB of RAM
Video Card - 128 MB GeForce 5 / ATI 9800 / GMA 950
OS - Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7
Network Connection Required
Recommended:

Processor - 2.4GHz Core 2 or i3 / 2.2GHz i5 or i7 / AMD 3500+ or faster
RAM - 2.0+ GB for Win XP / 3.0+ GB for Win 7
Video Card - 256MB Geforce 7800+ or Radeon X1900+
OS - 32-bit Windows XP, 64-bit Windows 7
Network Connection Required (Broadband)
Linux

Minimum:

Processor - 2.2GHz Pentium 4 / AMD 2400+ or faster
RAM - 1.5GB of RAM
Video Card - 128MB fully OpenGL 2.0 / GLSL 1.20 compliant Geforce or Radeon
Network Connection Required
Recommended:

Processor - 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo / AMD 3500+ or faster
RAM - 2.0GB or higher
Video Card - 256MB Geforce 7800+ or Radeon X1900+
Network Connection Required (Broadband)
OS X

Minimum:

Processor - Intel Processor
RAM - 1.5GB of RAM
Video Card - 128MB fully OpenGL 2.0 / GLSL 1.20 compliant Geforce or Radeon
OS - OS X 10.4 or newer
Network Connection Required
Recommended:

Processor - 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo or faster
RAM - 3.0GB or higher
Video Card - 256MB Geforce 7800+ or Radeon X1900+
Network Connection Required (Broadband)
Supported video cards:
OS X 10.4: Geforce 8600, Radeon HD 2400 or higher
OS X 10.5: Geforce 7300, Quardo FX 4500, Radeon X1600 or higher
Note: Integrated Intel GMA 950/X3100 is not supported
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: suzieboy on August 03, 2011, 09:06:55 AM
yep and wud u believe 2 days before i spent $10US to purchase an account...argggggh..
anyhow suzieboy is my name for who ever wanna link me.

wow is suzieboy yes.. Can't remember the last time i see this man post anything or log in on the craft. What rock you under hoss?

I also may try playing HoN.. maybe.. the SC2 has a hold on me right now.

Honestly I was under a PS3 rock lol takin a lil rest on Pc gamin till battlefield role out but i started back play HoN recently.
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on August 04, 2011, 08:09:39 AM
Tried the game again, now that its free2play.

LoL much?

They have taken league of legends model and replicated it exactly. I know imitation is the most sincere form of flattery but this is ridiculously.

Plagiarism to the max.

That said, its still the DOTA clone that some of us have come to know and love. Polished and refined. HD graphics and loads of new content (skins, voice overs, etc..)

I would strongly recommend a moba fan to pick this up at the awesome price of zero dollars.

With Dota 2 on the horizon being released by Valve shortly, this might be the last hurrah for both HoN and LoL.
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: VirtueTT on August 04, 2011, 10:37:11 AM
League of Legends release date - October 27, 2009
Heroes of Newerth release date - May 12, 2010

What i was told about HoN and LoL, its the same people who worked on Dota made these 2 so i wouldn't call it plain plagiarism outright. The reasons they were made as completely separate games was some fall out with Blizzard (no surprise there).

I would think they were exactly the same game due to this fact. Heck, if i made a map for WC3 and wasnt gettin any money from it, i would go make my own damn game to do so. Especially since so many people played it.

But yes, Valve did good in gettin Dota 2 under their belt, but as someone on Facebook posted about this, because HoN and Lol require the calculator type PC to play, it MAY take a while for Dota 2 to pick up (locally that is). Although, i checked the system reqs and i see that a scientific calculator type PC shall more than suffice for it. Meh..

We all kno what kills the Trinidadian gamer.. Price! So HoN and LoL shall survive for a while.
At a 50-60 USD price for Dota 2.. GG

Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on August 04, 2011, 11:47:54 AM
sauce on that US$50 - $60 price tag for Dota 2

and I know the history between hon and lol very intimately. It's very complex and rife with drama.

suffice to say, LoL is by far the bigger game now, with 15 million+ players. It was the first to go the free2play route and prospered as a result.

HoN stayed in beta for an extended period but took a big hit when they moved int pay2play with the final product.

Their transition to free2play may be too little too late with Dota 2. UNLESS, as you say the price is US$50-60

I'm hoping/assuming Dota 2 would be free2play

so sauce please
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: VirtueTT on August 04, 2011, 11:59:44 AM
http://www.dota-two.com/forum/news/dota-2-price-t183.html (http://www.dota-two.com/forum/news/dota-2-price-t183.html)

Quote
One of the biggest Swedish online stores komplett.se has added DOTA 2 as a pre-order state item. Moreover, the price has been set to 60$(USD). As expected from that podcast, the price will be around 60$ (depending on taxes, etc) and will not have a subscription. Apparently, komplett.se has answered and confirmed that this is the "official price" of the game and that it is based on the recommendation by Valve themselves.




Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on August 04, 2011, 04:45:58 PM
damn, that'll keep LoL / HoN alive in the moba space for some time then.

+1 for the find
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: haterforever on August 04, 2011, 07:55:29 PM
i download and play HoN yesterday. Went 15-2-13 in my first game not knowing anything about who i chose, and what to buy. Guess everyone else in that battle.

I find the battlefield is too clustered compared to LOL and the minimap is harder to read.

The graphics are much better though. Upgrading LOL to that level would be ideal.
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: suzieboy on August 05, 2011, 11:50:20 AM
Anyone up for a GATT clan?
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on August 05, 2011, 07:12:21 PM
What's the requirements?

Mightn't make sense with Dota 2 coming....but I'm interested.
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: VirtueTT on August 07, 2011, 01:10:17 AM
Anyone up for a GATT clan?

willing to teach me the game? lol
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: VirtueTT on August 13, 2011, 05:20:52 PM
I've succumbed to downloading and started playing with my brother and some friends. Been using Mumble as well to play. It feels good to get back into the DOTA scene.. now to make sure Crackers and WarOne don't realize im playing before the call the wrath of SC2 down on my poor soul.

VirtueTT
SlueChinTT - younger brother
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: TriniXaeno on August 13, 2011, 06:20:22 PM
lol, dazwhawetalkin bout
Title: Re: Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)
Post by: VirtueTT on August 23, 2011, 01:26:22 PM
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2672710504/doc/10150364380815505/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2672710504/doc/10150364380815505/)

I've placed a roster up on Facebook. You can edit it yourself to add your name to the list as well as add your IGN here on the forums and i'm goin to work on the roster here as well.

Cheers!

This thread has also been renamed from "Heroes of NewErth YADK (Yet Another Dota Killer)" to "Official GATT Heroes of NewErth Thread"

Update: Forum roster created in 1ST post of this thread.
Title: Re: Offical GATT Heroes of NewErth Thread
Post by: suzieboy on August 23, 2011, 02:16:02 PM
Anyone up for a GATT clan?

willing to teach me the game? lol

no scn. i can show u the ropes...if u hav played dota before then u'll fit right in.

i added myself onto the roster.
Title: Re: Offical GATT Heroes of NewErth Thread
Post by: VirtueTT on August 23, 2011, 02:27:51 PM
Used to play DOTA on the GATT server years ago and i played a bit with my brother and cousins for a few days. i play SC2 actively so the micro is in hand but to learn the characters and items is wat i need to do.
Title: Re: Offical GATT Heroes of NewErth Thread
Post by: VirtueTT on September 10, 2011, 05:28:05 PM
Lol made a Clan: State of Emergency [SofE]

Basically me, my brother, 3 friends and 2 cousins. I'm jus trying to get enough silver coins to get a T&T flag and a few heroes right now
Title: Re: Offical GATT Heroes of NewErth Thread
Post by: crackerjack on September 10, 2011, 07:58:35 PM
Add me virtue crackersz
Title: Re: Offical GATT Heroes of NewErth Thread
Post by: VirtueTT on September 10, 2011, 08:19:15 PM
Add me virtue crackersz

Done =)
Title: Re: Offical GATT Heroes of NewErth Thread
Post by: suzieboy on September 11, 2011, 11:28:29 AM
add me too sir...suzieboy
Title: Re: Offical GATT Heroes of NewErth Thread
Post by: VirtueTT on September 16, 2011, 04:09:05 PM
add me too sir...suzieboy

Send mus me bout 10 friend request to alya men and nottin =/
Title: Re: Offical GATT Heroes of NewErth Thread
Post by: VirtueTT on October 15, 2011, 09:35:50 PM
So i've been playing HoN a lil more and more. Have brutal_it and ZusE on mumble and they're there all the time with some friends. Also been playing with my younger brother and some friends. Anyone else playing HoN? I add suzieboy a few times but never see him on =(
Title: Re: Offical GATT Heroes of NewErth Thread
Post by: darro87 on November 02, 2011, 05:06:33 PM
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