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Tech Talk => Hardware, Tweaking & Networking => Topic started by: TrinireturnofGamez on April 14, 2004, 01:19:52 PM
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the main differences between the 6800 ultra and the previous FX cards are
support for direct X 9 C : up to 65,535 shader operations per pass versus 256 of direct X 9
16x pixel pipelines : 2x the fill rate over the 5950
GDD3 : DDR II at 1GHZ
http://www.gamespy.com/articles/505/505998p1.html (http://www.gamespy.com/articles/505/505998p1.html)
as you can see it totally murders the 9800XT in everything, but nvidia LIED again , they said 4x the performance of the 5950! this isn't even 2x!
the Radeon X800XT will be handed out to benchmarks sites later this month , it isn't supposed to have shader 9.0C but ATi's shaders are already almost as fast as nvidia's current models.
its an exciting time for all gamers by april we could probably get a 9800 pro for less than 150!
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while gamespy review is ok,. Tom'hardware was way better going depth for all u techies out there to drool at
http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/2004...0414/index.html (http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040414/index.html)
also a little correction to ur post it is pixel shader 3.0 that is suppose to be supported by direct x 9.0 c when it get release .
Can't wait to see what ati does to fire back at nvidia when the x800 pro get release on april 26
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powerful card yup
but with a requirement of a 480 watt ps
and suckin 110w ??
:(
i good
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SCREW NVIDIA
http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/2004...ce_6800-46.html (http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040414/feforce_6800-46.html)
dey TIEFIN performance by buring textures!
de ATI RV420 will pwn it .
even if you can't get the 500 USD 6800 ultra /X-800XT theywill make all the older models cheap, and there will be a 6800 non ultra / X-800 pro for around 350 USD , an even cheaper X-800 LE/6600 or 6700 for around 200 and an X-800SE/ 6400 for 150 .
All of them will be as fast or faster than the current card for the same price, the ones that are as fast will use less power and be smaller .
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The Tom's Hardware and Anandtech reviews were great reading material and all I can say is holy f00kin crap...the numbers are way off what I, or most anyone for that matter, would have expected when you consider the incremental increases that past generations have made with each step up...
nVidia has taken all the criticism from their GF5 series of cards to heart and have produced quite an amazing piece of hardware, which they would have to, cos falling short for a second time would prolly seriously cripple them...they really bolted out the gates with this one...can't wait to see what ATI has up their sleeve to answer this...especially considering that the X800 is rumoured to not have shader 3.0 compliance and ATI has allegedly been trying to play down the importance of such.
My only concern at this point is that it requires 2 ATX power supply connectors...good grief, it was bad enough dat they wanted the 1 floppy connector....but now 2 HDD connectors?!? I'll definitely need to upgrade my PSU for the likes of this...but all in a timin oui.
For the while...way to go nVidia...looks like a winner to me. ATI hadda come REAL good now to outshine this. Remember, getting to the top isn't nearly as hard as staying there. Cos when you're at the top...you have nowhere but down to go...best of luck to both of them I say.
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damnnitttt i wanted to be the first to post bout this card!@!!!! grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
damn bg and blocking gatt!
www.hardwareanalysis.com has some serious benchmarks and up
once again trini, yur comments and "findings" are unfounded!! THE 6800 BEATS THE 9800 XT IN ALMOST EVERY FIELD BY 97%!!! THIS IS OBVIOUSLY MORE THAN 2WICE THE FIRGGIN 5950 SO KISSS MY GREEN ARSE! THIS CARD RULESSSSS
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It would actually make sense for yall to wait for the cards to come out before you go tellin people which is better or worse
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TrinithereturnofGamez
need i remind u that the drivers are beta :P full driver should work good . plus new line coming :D
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the card requires a whole lot of power, thats bad very bad, shows sloppy design by nvidia
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220 million tranisistors don't be a little power needs lots .a p4 3ghz chip today can draw as much power as a 1994 system on total . it won't be to no surprise if the ati card has better or same or even less performance it going to need more power than the 9800 xt . more speed mean more power need simple law
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Common sense eh?
What is this common sense that you speak of...and more importantly...where can I find my copy? :P
Nvidia is back.
Damn sure looks that way to me too. Overhyped or not, they've put out some astounding benchmark figures with this one.
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So much damn power being sucked into one video card? That is too much current for one card IMO, I'm not sacrificing so much power for a video card. Alas I can only say well well well when it comes to the 6800, but I'm a ATI lover to the bone and I have total faith in ATI, so much so that I know they will be crowned once again in this new war of the cards. Just left to wait and see now.
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why should we care about the new cards??? The most important aspect should be the drop in prices for the previously high end cards. sure the new cards will be great (and at a great price also) but i can now get a 9800pro for 200us. so keep the cards coming
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i will also have blind faith in ati.... they have never made a failed line of cards, some of they'r models may not have sold well.. but they were NEVER failures.
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ati and nvidia are like amd and intel, amd had been better for years just they now starting to get the recognition
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I will say it again too make sure everyone see it :P. More speed mean more power the geforce 6800 got more transistors than the cpu of most chips so it need the power . As for the fan boys . which ever one the best performance and image quality always wins but price is always a factor
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I've always ever been a nVidia fan, but recenlty ATI won me over with their R300 series of cards (9700 Pro etc). However, I predicted that nVidia would prolly climb back to the top within a few production cycles...it sure does look to me that my prediction was spot on...but I anxiously await April 26, when ATI will finally unveil the R420 series to the masses, to see what they will bring to the table to battle the GF6 series...
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cant really argue who is the best, just have to be thankful that there isnt a monopoly, and we all know what happens when there is a monopoly,
some of the most hated ones: microsoft, tstt, cctv etc
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lol @ fan boys indeed
lol real hard @ bg blocking the gatt site. Ent!! is all those damn spammers using "bad words" that caused it! Kill dem all!!!
/me FOAKs the nearest spammer
Serious cards on the horizon, serious power.
As always, the best ting about this...is the older gen cards are going to fall in price. The power requirements are a bit a steep, but face it, if you spent us$500 on a video card, having a high performance, industrial grade powersupply should be no problem.
For the poor gamer, there will always be low end alternatives and flavours of the card without such demanding power needs.
It's a good day to game.
suhuweat!!!!!!!!!!!
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thats what i saying all the time, cause the 9800pro is 200us
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nvidia is back till ati releases the x800XT
i mean how stupid can u be to release ur card first ?
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hoss they can't do much to the change the core right now all they could do is to increase memory speed and gpu speed . so it ok to release first . can't reverse engineer a gpu in 2 week a have a prototype out for people to look at
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Smart canadians.
I have a serious feeling ATi is going to drop a bomb on we mc. For some strange reason all the hush hush in ATi camp will deal some serious damge really soon.
/me is watching & waiting
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hoss they can't do much to the change the core right now all they could do is to increase memory speed and gpu speed . so it ok to release first . can't reverse engineer a gpu in 2 week a have a prototype out for people to look at
You spot on dey...with such close release dates, the best that ATI can do is tweak their drivers some more or reconsider their pricing scheme...even if the release dates were 2 months apart, it still wouldn't be enough time for them to make any significant changes.
I have a serious feeling ATi is going to drop a bomb on we mc. For some strange reason all the hush hush in ATi camp will deal some serious damge really soon.
I really hope so, but looking at the leaked ATI presentation and other bits of information among the various hardware enthusiast sites, my gut feeling is that they've been beat this round...but who knows, maybe they do have an ace up their sleeve...time will tell.
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when ATI Says 2x the speed they mean it..... The date was always scheduled for april 26th . Like he said its impossible to redo and entire core in 2 weeks, but they have more time to tweak drivers and optimize code.
even if the new card turns out to be crap, it WILL be faster than the 9800pro/XT and their prices will drop into the 9600XT range, the 9600xt will drop to the 9200 pro range.
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the R300 chip design has been exhausted, as proven by the minor speed jump that the 9800XT had over the 9800 pro . The new High end model card will not be anything vaguely similar to the Radeon 9800XT . IT will be on a smaller trace size [130nm vs 150 nm] to decrease heat and increase clock speed . IT will have 12-16 pipelines and it will be FASSSST .
how fast is yet to be seen, even if ATi does not support DX9.0 c their shaders are fast enough to compete with the 6800XT
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all of ATi's new high end cards are come with "XT" at the end. All their new cards are "X-800". AnandTech has the ATi tech roadmap stating some of the details on all their new models .
the transition to PCI-X is nothing but a ploy to save manufacturers money and increase sales, the AGP 8x slot's bandwidth has not reached a bottleneck yet, in fact AGP 4x is has not bottlenecked yet . if all the slots on the new boards are the same the mobo companies will save money by leaving out a slot, and they will get high sales because everyone will think the PCI-X cards are soooo much faster than their identical AGP 8x models.
it would be nice to see Nvidia back on top for awhile though, ATi cards are rising in price, the equivilant of my 80 USD radeon 8500 is a 95 USD 9200 pro .
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But PCI-X IS faster than AGP.That was the point of it.And I think AGP wasn't the only reason for it.Other demanding devices will use PCI-X too.And the fact is NON of allyuh know if the ATI or Nvidia gone be faster than each so all u "critics" with all ur "theories" better relax.
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And the fact is NON of allyuh know if the ATI or Nvidia gone be faster than each so all u \"critics\" with all ur \"theories\" better relax.
Who said they know it's going to be faster?
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some correction need to be made :P
the x800 pro is out come april 26 not the xt it has 12 pipleines clock at 500 MHZ memory at 1 GHz MSRP suppose to be $399 US
the x800 xt comes out may 31 has 16 piplines clocked at 600 MHZ and memory at 1.2 GHZ
on june 14 the r423 or the pciexpress version of these card comes out
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Fellas who suspecting and making bold claims
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from theinquirer
As for the specs, the R420PRO or should we call it X800PRO will be clocked at 475 MHz, 25 MHZ higher then we suggested since yields are better, while the memory will be clocked at 900MHz as we suggested before.
Everything is packed into 180 millions of transistors and the card has 12 pipelines as we suggested. The R420XT, Radeon X800XT will be higher clocked card with 16 pipelines which came as a huge surprise to us.
This card is meant to fight Geforce 6800 non Ultra - the one with 12 pipelines and should be in retail as soon as ATI launches it.
This means that you should be able to buy one on the 4th of May but let's wait and see if ATI can deliver on that day.
Faster Radeon X800XT will come just after E3, and soon after the 14th of May we are told. I cannot remember if I said this before, but the R420 is chip based on R300 marchitecture and you can clearly see this from its 96 bit precision support and lack of PS 3.0.
Performance wise it will give NV40 a good run for its money
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i wondering is nvidia going and cheat again for them benchmarks
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dey don't need to cheat they got raw power in dat thing .can't wait till i see the final driver results.
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Crixx it depends on the website and the tests used but it wasn't all that it was hyped up to be. Still it is ultimate power and far, far above the competition. Nvidia is back.
Trini.. it is beta drivers they used. When there are polished drivers and the problems still exist then you can start your conspiracy theory. Common sense eh?
What hype?> THat is part of the beauty of the 6800
they kept quiet for all this time, they said nothing when the 9800xt was released, released there 5900 and 5950 with very little hype and then dropped an ion cannon beam on ati with the 6800.
ANDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
THE 6800 OWNZ THE 9800XT RUNNING AT ONLYYY 400 MHZ CORE SPEED!
thats like half the chips possible core speed and they still runnin circles round ati!
LOL, WHEN ATI DROPS ITS CARD AND NVIDIA JACKS UP THE CLOCK SPEED ON THE 6800 LOL.
IT WILL BE LIKE SCOTTY GIVIN HER ALL SHES GOT CAPTAIN.
WARP DRIVE IYMC!!!! LOL
but yess the real benefit, hopefully price drops will happen soon!
and i can finnaly get my 4800!!!! yayyyyy
and then maybe also a 9800
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4800 :?:
4800 is memory is right is a 8x version of the 4400
4600 was the best one of that series
might be more worth it to get a 9600 xt would be better performace
9700 pro at least or 9800 se and flash it to 9800 pro standards
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the 9800 pros are closing in to 200 USD on www.newegg.com , the 4800 is an overblown 4600 with AGP8x and hii clock speed. it's faster for dx8 than the 5700/5600 ultra but its alot worse for DX9/openGL 1.5 than the 5600/5700 or even my old radeon 8500 .[ 40-60 fps in POP,25-30 fps in halo, 20-25 fps in KOTOR @ 1296x1024 with 16x aniso, all with cat 4.4 drivers ] .
the 9700 pros are already 150/140 USD if you can find one, they still can murder anything nvidia has for the price .
I nvidia to pwn for 1 round so i can get a cheep 9700/9800 .
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Well by the end of the year hopefully I will have a new system. I will hold onto this 9600 and see what happens when I ready to upgrade and decide whether to buy a new vid card or just keep this one. I know I will most likely change because I'm one of those people that like havin the new ish.
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ati go buss nvidia draws again
yuh go see it
nvidia go have to by "gatt steel draws" from now on
yuh know de one ah talking bout
de one with 4 holes
12 pipes make so much so wah 16 could do?
steel draws
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the geforce FX 5200,5600,5700 have 4 pipes
the radeon 8500,9600,9000,9200 has 4 pipes
the geforce 4 TI 4200,4400,4600,4800 have 4 pipes
the geforce 4 MX , Geforce 2 TI , geforce 2 ultra , geforce 2 mx have 2 pipes
the geforce 3 has 4 pipes
the radeon 7500 has 2 pipes
the radeon 9500,9700,9800 pros and the 9800XT
have 8 pipes
the geforce FX 5800,5900,5950,5900XT,5900SE have
8 pipes
i may haved mixed it up but you get the idea, more pipes = faster
it is not main thing that makes graphics cards fast, but it helps alot, more pipes = more shading and textures in one pass = better
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we yet to see the full power of the FX6800
Small correction, they've dropped the "FX" from their moniker...it's just the GeForce 6800 (Ultra) now :)
Crix, no sense in gettin a 4800 at this stage in the game, unless you plan to upgrade again in the next 6-12 months...it'd have to be a serious bargin price to warrant purchasing it. You'd be much better off getting a 9600 or something along those lines...
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radeon 9700 pro...
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Crixx it depends on the website and the tests used but it wasn't all that it was hyped up to be. Still it is ultimate power and far, far above the competition. Nvidia is back.
Trini.. it is beta drivers they used. When there are polished drivers and the problems still exist then you can start your conspiracy theory. Common sense eh?
What hype?> THat is part of the beauty of the 6800
they kept quiet for all this time, they said nothing when the 9800xt was released, released there 5900 and 5950 with very little hype and then dropped an ion cannon beam on ati with the 6800.
ANDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
THE 6800 OWNZ THE 9800XT RUNNING AT ONLYYY 400 MHZ CORE SPEED!
thats like half the chips possible core speed and they still runnin circles round ati!
LOL, WHEN ATI DROPS ITS CARD AND NVIDIA JACKS UP THE CLOCK SPEED ON THE 6800 LOL.
IT WILL BE LIKE SCOTTY GIVIN HER ALL SHES GOT CAPTAIN.
WARP DRIVE IYMC!!!! LOL
but yess the real benefit, hopefully price drops will happen soon!
and i can finnaly get my 4800!!!! yayyyyy
and then maybe also a 9800
god lord you obviously have no idea what your talkin about
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actually it all true the memory could go higher so can the core :P
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there was quite a bit of hype around this card... bt it was not named.. and nvidia learned from the the FX hype not to overdoo it .. just in case the competition has something better. [5800vs 9800 pro ] .
so what its that fast at 400mhz? it has 2x the processing power of the 5900.. it does not neeed high clock ... as amd proves with every athlon... and the 9700 pro proved by defeating the higher clocked 5800 with only 325 mhz... the only thing that matters is real world benchmarks performance .
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but the new readons clocked higher . the pro is 500 Mhz and the xt is at 600 Mhz. Hope it performs ok .so it would drop the 9800 price down
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ALLYUH.THE FACT IS>THE CARD BAD ALRIGHT! DAS WHAT ALL YUH WANT TO SAY!? FINE>IT BAD>WE KNOW IT BAD>STOP TALKING BOUT DEAD ISSUES.
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Crixx it depends on the website and the tests used but it wasn't all that it was hyped up to be. Still it is ultimate power and far, far above the competition. Nvidia is back.
Trini.. it is beta drivers they used. When there are polished drivers and the problems still exist then you can start your conspiracy theory. Common sense eh?
What hype?> THat is part of the beauty of the 6800
they kept quiet for all this time, they said nothing when the 9800xt was released, released there 5900 and 5950 with very little hype and then dropped an ion cannon beam on ati with the 6800.
ANDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
THE 6800 OWNZ THE 9800XT RUNNING AT ONLYYY 400 MHZ CORE SPEED!
thats like half the chips possible core speed and they still runnin circles round ati!
LOL, WHEN ATI DROPS ITS CARD AND NVIDIA JACKS UP THE CLOCK SPEED ON THE 6800 LOL.
IT WILL BE LIKE SCOTTY GIVIN HER ALL SHES GOT CAPTAIN.
WARP DRIVE IYMC!!!! LOL
but yess the real benefit, hopefully price drops will happen soon!
and i can finnaly get my 4800!!!! yayyyyy
and then maybe also a 9800
you comparing 2 different generation cards?
you crazy oui :shock:
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actually if anyone saw the unreal 3.0 engine demo at lauch day of 6800 they know what the 6800 capable of since right now nothing actualy does trouble that card to do :D