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Tech Talk => Hardware, Tweaking & Networking => Graphics Cards => Topic started by: VirtueTT on December 13, 2011, 11:01:19 AM
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AMD promised us that by the end of this year the company will come up with its first graphics cores from the HD 7000-series, and these GPUs were just announced today.
Contrary to what everybody has thought however, the chips cover the notebook sector and are nothing more than rebrands of previous HD 6000M parts.
Traditionally AMD has launched its new series of graphics cards at the high-end and then continued with simpler solutions until it reached the value sector.
This time however things are different, as AMD has decided to start with the mobile version of these chips from the Radeon HD 7000M series which are nothing more than rebrands of their old Turks and Caicos GPUs.
While most of us were expecting Southern Island products based on TSMC’s new HKMG 28nm process, the fact of the matter is that TSMC is running late with its 28nm technology as yield and production capacities aren’t where they should be to allow for a 2011 launch of such products.
According to AnandTech, this left AMD in a particularly tough position as the company was concerned that they needed to get new mobile products out by the end of the year, so they were forced to make do with what they had.
There are some indications that 28nm parts could still arrive until the end of the year, but a complete launch is out of the question.
Moving to the parts that AMD introduced today, we see three products being released. Of the three, the Radeon HD 7600M and HD 7500M are based on the Whistler core (previously Turks) while the HD 7400M uses the Seymore XT GPU (previously Caicos).
Unfortunately, details for the new 7000M parts are lacking right now but the new parts should sport higher clocks than their predecessors.
All the HD 7000M parts can be configured with both GDDR5 or DDR3 memory depending on the price segment they target, and feature either a 128-bit or a 64-bit wide memory bus.
Of the three series announced, the HD 7500M is particularly interesting as it comes to bridge the gap between the HD 7600M and HD 7400M by pairing a 480-shader Whistler Pro GPU with a 64-bit wide memory bus.
This is of course going to hurt bandwidth, but notebook makers could still deliver some worthwhile solutions based on this GPU if they pair it with GDDR5 memory, which could enable the GPU to reach the same bandwidth as a similar 128-bit DDR3 equipped model.
All the Radeon HD 7000M parts announced by AMD today should already be available in quite few notebooks, so we should be able to see soon enough how these perform in real life scenarios.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Launches-Radeon-7000M-GPU-Series-Just-an-HD-6000M-Rebrand-238862.shtml
Dropped the ball again? Or maybe a marketing ploy? Who knows....
Some more reading for you techies: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2011/11/30/radeon-hd-7000-revealed-amd-to-mix-gcn-with-vliw4--vliw5-architectures.aspx
That article includes some insight into the HD 7950, 7970 and 7990
Tahiti becomes HD 7950 and 7970, New Zealand becomes HD 7990
Now that we're properly introduced with the GPU core, the time has come to pay more attention to the lineup itself. Given that the memory bus was extended to 384-bits, i.e. the same as GeForce GTX 580, 3GB GDDR5 are being used across the board, and we would not exclude a 1.5GB or even 896MB "7930" part coming as the number of partially functional GPUs increases.
AMD kept the unified clock concept and given that Radeon HD 7970 is based on fully configured "Tahiti XT" GPU, 2048 cores (32 Compute Units) operate at 1GHz clock. 3GB of GDDR5 memory operates in Quad Data Rate mode i.e. 1.37GHz ODR ("effective 5.5GHz"). This results with record video memory bandwidth for a single GPU - 264GB/s.
The HD7950 is based on "Tahiti Pro" and packs 30 Compute Units for 1920 cores operating at 900MHz. The number of ROPs decreased to 60, while Texture units naturally reduced to 120 (as every CU connects to 2 ROPs and 4 TMUs). Our sources did not disclose if the memory controller is still 384-bit or a 256-bit one, but the memory clock was decreased to 1.25GHz, i.e. the same clock as previous gen models. Should 384-bit controller stay, the clock should be good for 240GB/s of bandwidth.
Both products are expected to be released on CES 2012 in Las Vegas, NV, occupying the $349-449 price bracket. Those additional gigabytes of memory (and processing cores) will certainly cost a lot of $$$.
As far as the dual-GPU "New Zealand", 6GB GDDR5 is expected to be clocked on the same level as the HD6990/7970, meaning you will be getting full performance out of the dual-GPU part.
Unlike HD7950 and HD7970, Radeon HD 7990 will debut in March 2012 and the target price is the same as the original price of its predecessor - $699.
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Rebranded parts from last generation masquerading as new parts with a fresh sticker on them? Hell I could think of another green coloured graphic card maker that are experts at this as well!
But on another note..
Amd's hardware always sounds very promising on paper but in reality
1) lack of proper quality control on the part of their board partners resulting in simple stupid things like malfunctioning cooling fans after very short time periods (happened to me twice, different brands)
2) poor drivers especially in multiple cpu configs,
3) poor "legacy" support as in ONE generation behind
4) slow updates and general stability of driver code (or lack thereof)
....was and CONTINUES to be a major barrier to AMD's success over their competitors who, while not perfect, in my experience are miles ahead in the above mentioned aspects.
Until that changes, AMD will not see another red cent from me, no matter how financially competitive their products are.
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yeh
i will stick to their graphic cards not processors
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Yip, i AM talking about their video cards here.
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this i know
and i also do agree with your statements
just one thing, i dont agree with their driver issues, it is not as big as ppl make it out to be!
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That is true Awesome. Their drivers, though may be released later than Nvidia's, are up to par atm. Arcman has no issues, neither does Chris, neither to I atm. Berserk doesnt count since he trying a fast 1 and running 2 different GPU's with 2 different sets of drivers installed at the same time :shakehead:
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and i am to
my 9800gtx+ is covering phys-x....
still issues are none existent..
emperor go never let it go that i am afraid to tab in and out of bf3...
i am afraid of it crashing man, hate losing my spot thats all..nothing with ati or drivers.
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and i am to
my 9800gtx+ is covering phys-x....
still issues are none existent..
emperor go never let it go that i am afraid to tab in and out of bf3...
i am afraid of it crashing man, hate losing my spot thats all..nothing with ati or drivers.
Yes but yours working how its supposed to, his isnt XD
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oh rly?
do tell???
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You'll have to talk to him. Something about BF3 not working if he's playing Batman which uses the phsy-x. And vise versa, cant play Batman if he's playing BF3. No clue
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that was my issue with getting Physx to work on Batman Arkham City with some other issues with Battefield 3.
What happened was when battlefield patched, (I believe it was last week, it must have updated the physx drivers, making the older version physx previously installed, incompatible with Batman (thereby causing issues)
For Physx to work with Batman it needed an older version of the Physx drivers with the physx hack. . Once I figured out the issue, all I had to do was run over the physx patch, reinstall older drivers and presto problem solved. No more issues. I was able to run BF3 last night no issues.
Didn't bother to really dig up till recently cause the only game I cared to have working was the Batman. (which worked admirably till some scenes in late game required me to lower physx detail.)
On a side note, aside of this physx issue, I have ZERO (0) issues with my 6950 (unlocked to a 6970 mind you) and my 1100t 6 core. (+12 gigs o ram)
Able to play most games at 50+ frames on max, and those that can't are usually games known to have issues. Just saying.
Can't speak for the experience of others, but for sheer price per performance for gaming, ATI/AMD hitting sweet spot for me.
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and i am to
my 9800gtx+ is covering phys-x....
still issues are none existent..
emperor go never let it go that i am afraid to tab in and out of bf3...
i am afraid of it crashing man, hate losing my spot thats all..nothing with ati or drivers.
I tab in an out all the time doesn't crash
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I'm on the AMD camp (back again from a small stint with the green team)
Have to agree with virtue, captain, et al.....The cards working like a boss.
knock on silicon
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Rebranded parts from last generation masquerading as new parts with a fresh sticker on them? Hell I could think of another green coloured graphic card maker that are experts at this as well!
But on another note..
Amd's hardware always sounds very promising on paper but in reality
1) lack of proper quality control on the part of their board partners resulting in simple stupid things like malfunctioning cooling fans after very short time periods (happened to me twice, different brands)
2) poor drivers especially in multiple cpu configs,
3) poor "legacy" support as in ONE generation behind
4) slow updates and general stability of driver code (or lack thereof)
....was and CONTINUES to be a major barrier to AMD's success over their competitors who, while not perfect, in my experience are miles ahead in the above mentioned aspects.
Until that changes, AMD will not see another red cent from me, no matter how financially competitive their products are.
How many of you running dual cards? Single might be fine but try dual cards nah, I double dear you. TWO generation of dual gpu cards did me the same nonsense with Bad Company 2.
How long after bf3 did ATI release decent drivers for their cards, esp the older ones?
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never saw point in dual. 1 card works fine.
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The only persons running a dual gpu AMD card is Cpt Chris with his 6990 and me with W1nTry's 4870x2, not aware of anyone else atm. Doesn't give any problems now tho, at least i'm not afraid to alt tab out the game like Chris =p. But yes, they didn't release a driver update till about 2 weeks after the launch, it really only affected me though. Preston and WarOne who had single 4870's were fine.
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And on the other hand, Nvidia had beta drivers specifically for BF3 the day before it released...ones that were almost perfect.
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Yes yes we know, we know... AMD seems to be dropping the soap.. i mean ball all around. But we see it from the consumer end, it must be very disheartening to be the developers behind this tech subjected by a marketing board and deadlines. The pressure of competition usually leads companies to make poor decisions and fumble. Very easy to criticize when we don't have the full picture.
Performance vs cost tho, AMD still has good products for decent prices, without which, a lot of gamers here wudnt be able to afford a system in the 1st place. Small graces i suppose
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never saw point in dual. 1 card works fine.
big co sign!
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Oh shut up...
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lol, u mad bro?
Your "non-sli" gaming brethren still love you.
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Based on what I read of the Captain's experiences with dual Radeon GPU's I was a bit skeptical before. However after some more reading I realised that while some issues do exist, the majority of users do not have such horrid experiences. At least those that post.
I am happy to say that my dual 6950's (unlocked to 6970's :happy0203:) are performing flawlessly in BF2, BF3, Splinter Cell Conviction, Dirt 2, MW3, Just Cause 2, Portal, Portal 2 and Batman - Arkham Asylum.
Different experiences for different folks I guess.
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lol, u mad bro?
Your "non-sli" gaming brethren still love you.
Awesome runs 2 460's in SLI btw... I also recall other members stating their interest in 2nd GPU's within the coming future...
@kgfalby... why haven't we seen u in BF3 yet? 0_o
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Based on what I read of the Captain's experiences with dual Radeon GPU's I was a bit skeptical before. However after some more reading I realised that while some issues do exist, the majority of users do not have such horrid experiences. At least those that post.
I am happy to say that my dual 6950's (unlocked to 6970's :happy0203:) are performing flawlessly in BF2, BF3, Splinter Cell Conviction, Dirt 2, MW3, Just Cause 2, Portal, Portal 2 and Batman - Arkham Asylum.
Different experiences for different folks I guess.
Maybe my Mainboard doesnt like AMD gpu's. Seems like im the only one with issues.
In other news, seems as though the first 'real' 7 series cards will be coming out early January:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/7000/7970/Pages/radeon-7970.aspx
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The world's first 28nm GPU architecture, optimized for gaming and compute.
Can't wait to get my compute on!
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HOLY SH!T..... I am impressed...
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impressive indeed
can't wait to see what the next generation of GPU wars brings.
Not that I'd be changing my 6970 anytime soon
It having just earned best card for the US$300-400 category (well it tied with the 570, but a win is a win)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fastest-graphics-card-radeon-geforce,3067-5.html
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Good lord...that is some SWEATY performance...but at 549 US...yeah...way beyond my budget.
I am NEVER paying that for a single card again.
My TWO 6950s cost 512 US...so no. Still, awesome GPU.
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Virtue you need to change the title of the post I'm sure we wont talking about the mobile chipsets again :lol:
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Agreed.
I'll wait for the "modestly priced" version.
but arc, as a single gpu advocate myself, I'd go for that one card over two given how close they are in price. IF I won lotto or got a "wuk" by messiaah.
At current income levels, I personally have a disdain for spending more than US$300 for a graphics card (or a CPU, or any single PC component as a matter of fact, lol)
Went slightly over budget with the purchase of the 6970
Bloody ridiculous to pay so much for a part.
I could just hear the console fanatics snickering as my wallet depletes. lol
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK4JCMuIUgw
:O
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hhahaha, I planning to keep this card for about three years.
Who knows, maybe I might catch a "mid life O/Crysis" and start to mix it up with the top dogs on the vantage and 3dmark 2011 charts. Upgrading like a forge (sc2 joke)
Stranger things have happened.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK4JCMuIUgw
:O
now i think this is the card we have been all been dreaming about!!
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Just had a look at the article TriniWyatt highlighted from Tom's hardware and i could not help but notice that the 2gb 6950's in crossfire recieved an 'honourable mention' :happy0203:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fastest-graphics-card-radeon-geforce,3085-6.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fastest-graphics-card-radeon-geforce,3085-6.html)
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Just watched the review video for the 7970. Wow! That card is a beast.
(... wanders around the room and contemplates a second job to fund some of the hardware being released for 2012)
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I think it's good for the price (considering it beats the 580 in just about everything) but the 580 came out last year...soo...according to historical events it is pretty much inevitable the 600 series will kill this off lol
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Yeah, but to make it even more competitive, AMD should drop the price by 100 US...then I'd buy it in a heartbeat. :)
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-Radeon-HD-7970-3DMark-ATI,14413.html
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Look like a slip and they pull the article brisk XD
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Could it be this link you were trying to post Virtue?
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/toms-hardware-benchmarks-comparison-charts-graphs,14428.html
Your mistake was that extra backslash on the end there.
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-Radeon-HD-7970-3DMark-ATI,14413.html
My bad, this is what i was supposed to post... copy+paste fail on my part
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/me faints @ the 80,000+ vantage score
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I think you mean 'faint' there TW. 'Feint' means something completely different. :laughing7:
Of course it's nice for records, but of absolutely ZERO practical appeal. My UPS would run away and cower in fear if confronted with that.
Still, it's nice to see what all that hardware can get you.
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*ninja edit*
What you talking about Arc? I said faint
lol @ ups running away in fear.
That's for sure.
I would love to see the kill-a-watt reading on a machine like that. Energy consumption through the roof!
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^^ that....
makes me depressed
* puts rig under bed *
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-Radeon-HD7000-GPU-OEM,14431.html
Looks promising
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I am really interested to see the performance of the 7950.... and price...
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Hard lol @ turks and caicos. I thought this new generation was supposed to be built on 28nm though?
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7970 only 15-30% better on average than GTX 580? I sense amd's lead isnt going to last very long. Kepler is on the horizon!!!
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Hard lol @ turks and caicos. I thought this new generation was supposed to be built on 28nm though?
The low end cards are basically re branded from the 6000 series with the 40 nm tech. The higher end models from,I guess from the 7850 (possibly lower) and up use the 28nm tech.
I want to the prices and performances of the other cards yo =/
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Lawwddd this XFX 7970 sweeeetttt
(http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviewimages/xfx-radeon-hd-7970-black-edition/xfx-radeon-7970_side.jpg)
See Link For The Comparison:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1373/pg1/xfx-r7970-black-edition-vs-gtx-580-overclocked-vs-radeon-6970-overclocked-introduction.html?utm_campaign=newsletter23-01&utm_source=email&utm_medium=title
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Not impressed with the Price:Performance ratio !!!
Edited: To be more specific, it is almost the price of my 6990!!
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Its called the Halo effect, they will sell it high as long as they can, until they have to drop the price. Since nothing else beats it (single GPU) sell it high whilst they can. It's a business after all. Blame nvidia if anything for not releasing their competing product yet.
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^ Halo effect my foot........
I know it is a business. But the technology is expensive in these new cards.
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^ Halo effect my foot........
I know it is a business. But the technology is expensive in these new cards.
Well right, so if the tech is expensive should the resultant product? O_o
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Still do not see how that can justify those prices!!
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And how is it any different from Intel's Extremely Expensive Edition CPUs?
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Still do not see how that can justify those prices!!
That's the law of market forces my friend. They can and will sell it at that price until the competition comes with something better.
Knowing AMD, they WILL drop that price when Nvidia strikes back with Kepler.
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Yeah yeah i know, I was just giving Wintry some trouble. I am quite happy with my 6990 though.
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The 7950 cometh finally:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7950-overclock-crossfire-benchmark,3123.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7950-overclock-crossfire-benchmark,3123.html)
Didn't see it on amazon yet, but newegg has em:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102962 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102962)
Based on the pricing for the performance I think more of you will be pleased, however still too hot for my pocket, so i'll be waiting on the 7870 it appears.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaSZbih3niU&feature=g-all-lik&context=G2afbad5FAAAAAAAADAA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v5-3VlcA5Y&lc=7GNSriVRkEUv4yTxI82nEeZzN7DS-P-tRuaXO5PlIsU&context=G2d3cbf4FAAAAAAAAFAA&feature=g-all-c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ8aYmx4PGU&feature=g-all-u&context=G2d34accFAAAAAAAAIAA
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Impressive and expected considering the 7970. Price is steep but for a card that compares to, competes with and beats the 580 in certain areas and the price is good (considering its lower than the 580 which is still about $500 USD).
The crossfire seems a bit poor tho... I expected more from that at least, considering the crossfire results on the 7970 but then again, AMD's/ATI's crossfire support seems to always be trailing behind =/
I am however very impressed with the temps and noise tho. I would say its a valid and worthwhile investment for an upgrade. Now to wait on with 7870/50 with W1nTry lol
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http://www.extremetech.com/computing/116501-radeon-hd-7950-launches-beats-gtx-580-hd-7990-and-7870-launch-date-leaked
Not sure how accurate this is but hey, better than nothing
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Oh geed. The cheapest one is $450 US. My wallet firmly in 2 x 7870 territory... LOL.
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Considering the 7970 matches and beats the performance of the 6990 and the 580 in different aspects i say it's fairly priced.
Why i posted that article was more the release dates of the 7850/7870 and the 7990.
I dont know why, but the 6990 is not even on newegg any more and its ridiculously priced on amazon. so..
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waiting on the 6990 to drop b4 i xfire them...
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March aye... sounds like a birthday upgrade is in order XD
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http://lenzfire.com/2012/01/q1-2012-scheduled-gcn-based-radeon-hd-7000-series-gpus-32528/
Not looking worth it considering Nvidia's line up.
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HTPC only
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With the launch of both the HD 7900 and HD 7700 series, AMD is expected to release its HD 7800 series GPUs in March. Today, we get our first peek at the specifications of the HD 7850 and HD 7870.
As reported first of February in a leaked roadmap, AMD is set to release its HD 7800 series graphics cards based on Pitcairn in March. Based on information coming out of Chinese-based EXPreview.com, we may have our first glimpse at the specifications for the new Pitcairn series. The HD 7800 series will utilize AMD's GCN stream processors seen with both HD 7900 and HD 7700 series.
Radeon HD 7850
20 Graphics CoreNext Compute Units
1280 stream processors
80 TMUs
24 ROPs
Memory Bus of 256-bit
Memory size of 1 GB/2GB GDDR5 memory
Clock speeds of 900 MHz core
Memory frequency of 1250 MHz (5.00 GHz effective)
Radeon HD 7870
22 Graphics CoreNext Compute Units
1408 stream processors
88 TMUs
24 ROPs
Memory bus of 256-bit
Memory size of 2GB GDDR5 memory
Clock speeds of 950 MHz core
Memory frequency of 1375 MHz (5.50 GHz effective)
Early pricing for the HD 7850 has it listed at around $220 dollars and the HD 7870 around $300 dollars. In the second quarter, AMD is expected to release both the HD 7990 and HD 7890. While the specs for HD 7990 are still relatively unknown, the HD 7890 will be based on Tahiti (same as the HD 7900 series). It is expected to feature 24 Graphics CoreNext Compute Units, 1536 stream processors, 96 TMUs, 32 ROPs, and have a 1.5 GB memory with memory interface of 384-bit. Early expectations for pricing has the price of the HD 7890 around $359 dollars.
Please keep in mind, of course, that these specifications are from EXPreview's supposedly reliable source. We won't know for sure until AMD shows its hand. Stay tuned!
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-Radeon-HD7870-HD7850-Pitcairn,14747.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-Radeon-HD7870-HD7850-Pitcairn,14747.html)
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Just a snippet from the preview:
The Radeon HD 7870 and 7850 offer impressive performance, extremely low power usage, and attractive estimated prices (at least in North America) compared to cards offering similar performance. They run coolly and quietly, making them easy to live with, too. That covers the most important questions gamers ask when they hear about new graphics cards. From almost every angle, consider us impressed. Sure, we could complain yet again about the lack of VCE support several months after AMD announce the feature, but that doesn’t affect these cards’ ability to play games.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/radeon-hd-7870-review-benchmark,review-32392-21.html (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/radeon-hd-7870-review-benchmark,review-32392-21.html)
Seems the 7870 is a winner, at least from a comparison against the 5xx GTX series. Since Kepler is not too far off, we'll see how it all compares in a few weeks?
So far though the 7870 looks like the sweet spot for AMD.
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0_0 wow.... That is impressive. I forsee sales on that card being rather high if those stats prove true. I wonder if that score on the 7850 is fair tho since they were having so much problems with them. Perhaps it may be even higher than that once errors are fixed
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I am waiting on kepler to see how the chips fall so to speak
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Yeah, but that 'suggested' MSRP of $349 US for the 7870 does not sit well with me.
It's just a tad out of my usual 300-dollar budget (per card).
That said though, my sights are squarely aimed at getting two of those. :happy0203:
I'm waiting patiently on Kepler to either beat these at the same price...or, drive the price of these down-down-down.
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At, or below 300 US? Two, of course.
Not at the same time...but definitely two.
I have no shares in AMD or Nvidia nah. Whoever is the fastest at 300 US wins.
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I have no shares in AMD or Nvidia nah. Whoever is the fastest at 300 US wins.
QFT
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Rumor: Radeon HD 7990 Set to Launch After Nvidia's Kepler
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Radeon-HD-7990-Kepler-GTX680,15032.html
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But yeah, them mandingo cards from either manufacturer will be epically expensive and even more scarce.
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http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/26484-no-price-wars-yet
No sign of 7970 price wars
AMD keeps silent
Since we first heard about the US $499 price tag for the GTX 680 we started to ask around in order to see if AMD is preparing a price cut on its HD 7970. Unfortunately, AMD is still pretty silent and most partners are focusing on their factory overclocked HD 7970 cards.
Currently, AMD's HD 7970 is doing pretty good in Europe. The average price for AMD HD 7970 is around €460, and we are talking about pretty decent retail/e-tail shops in Germany, while the lowest one is currently €441,90 at Pixmania.de. The Nvidia GTX 680 is priced at the expected €479, although some retailers/e-tailers are making use of high demand to push the price as high as €519. The price of GTX 680 will eventually drop in Europe and probably follow the HD 7970 one but, until then, AMD HD 7970 will be doing quite well.
The USA on the other hand is a bit different, while EU had a constant and slight drop in HD 7970 price since launch in December, the Newegg.com and other retailers/e-tailers kept the card at steady US $549.99. Actually, you can currently get it cheaper, for US $534.99, but you have to buy two or more cards, just a simple deal done by Newegg.com and Sapphire. These prices put AMD in an awkward position in the USA as GTX 680 sells for steady US $499.99.
The part of the market reserved for enthusiasts, or those that actually go for US $500+ graphics cards, will actually have to weigh a couple of things. Performance-wise , GTX 680 looks like a better card. It delivers the same/higher punch in games and uses less power to do it. The features are pretty much the same, and we will not go into that, since one company copies the other and it is a constant game of cat and mouse. We expect to see adaptive VSync and TXAA or something similar on AMD cards as well and currently both cards are pretty leveled in the feature department.
The overclocking is something that enthusiasts are always interesting in, and due to Nvidia GPU Boost, overclocking on GTX 680 is quite limited and rather oriented to mass consumer market, so this win goes to AMD's HD 7970. The compute power on the HD 7970 is better and there is no question about it, but US $500 cards are bought for gaming and that's where the GTX 680 is currently same/better at lower price. Our guess is that compute power is not exactly a deciding buy factor, at least not in high percentage.
According to what we know for now, price cut will not be happening at the moment, and our guess is that we will not see anything at least till the end of this month. Partners usually hear about this at least few days before it happens, and currently AMD is not saying anything.
Availability is yet another key issue. AMD's HD 7970 is in a pretty good and healthy supply. It is available across Europe as well as in the USA, and according to our sources things should not change anytime soon.
The GTX 680 is a different story. It has just launched and demand is quite high as the USA Newegg.com has run out of stock in a matter of hours. The situation in Europe is a bit better, there is a decent amount of cards available, at least at the time of writing. Both DACH region and the UK retailers/e-tailers have GTX 680 cards in stock, but we heard that some partners will not recieve a new shipment until next month and if this stock sells we will certainly see a shortage.
The problem is that, if they decide to go for the price drop, AMD also has to adjust prices across its entire range, including HD 7950, HD 7800 series and so on. Of course, that is a problem for AMD but if but if it does happen, it will be quite a happy day for consumers and those that are not aiming for US $500+ graphics cards but rather something cheaper.
All we need to do is wait and see.
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Dread, outside with AMD yes!
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/image-quality-driver-optimization-graphics,3173.html
Hmmm
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Radeon-HD_7970-HD_7970-HD_7770-GTX_680,15340.html
AMD Cuts Prices of HD 7900, 7700 Series, Plus Free Games
11:00 AM - April 16, 2012 by Doug Crowthers - source: Bright Side Of News
As expected, AMD has finally cut the prices of the HD 7970, HD 7950 and HD 7770 series graphics cards after the release of the GeForce GTX 680.
With the successful launch of the GeForce GTX 680, it was only a matter of time before AMD would counter with a price drop of their new HD 7000 series cards. Initially, AMD didn't react to the GTX 680 hitting the market because of the very limited availability of it. If users wanted a high-end card, the HD 7900 series was your best available option. Now with the GTX 680 becoming more available, AMD needed to drop the price of the HD 7900 series to remain a viable option for price to performance against the GTX 680. As part of an AMD Gaming Evolved announcement, AMD announced it would be closely partnering up with THQ and Codemasters on some AMD optimized titles, as well as dropping some graphics card prices.
The promotion between THQ and Codemasters is known as the "Three for Free" promotion. The three titles are Deus Ex: Human Revolution, DiRT Showdown and Nexuiz. AMD stated that it will be bundling these games with their graphics cards starting April 16th. In a statement, AMD said, "Rolling through select etailer and retailer partners shortly, we will be launching the Three for Free promotion, bundling a free copy of Dirt Showdown and Nexuiz with each AMD Radeon HD 7900 Series graphics card. We will also be including a full copy of one of the top titles of 2011; Deus Ex: Human Revolution, as well as its DLC expansion The Missing Link." Adding three bundled games to the Radeon HD 7900 series is a nice value-added bonus to end-users.
AMD looks to be banking on the "Three for Free" bundle, the price drop and the fact of ready availability of the HD 7900 series to continue to spark sales against the GTX 680. In addition, AMD cutting the price of the HD 7770 to below the $150 price point at $139.
"The AMD Radeon HD 7970 is now priced at an incredible $479 and continues to be the only enthusiast card available in volume, while the AMD Radeon HD 7950 is now an impulse buy away, at $399, and on both of these you will see our Three For Free offer which includes Dirt Showdown, Nexuiz and Deus Ex: Human Revolution with The Missing Link DLC. And one more thing, for those looking for access to a cutting-edge graphics experience at a very wallet-friendly price, AMD Radeon HD 7770 GHz edition graphics cards will now be available at the sub-$150 sweet spot, as low as $139(US) SEP."
HD 7970 price drop $549 to $479
HD 7950 price drop $449 to $399.
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Amazon on shit tho =/
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* rubs hands *
Which means that by December the 7950 should be about 300 US. :happy0203:
I have 'faith' in Amazon.
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They call that a price drop on the 7970??? That is a mere discount! For significantly better performance (http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-680-review/21) and more stable drivers, i'd close my eyes and get that 680 @ $30us more.
The 7950 @ $400us hits another market altogether. This option makes a whole lot more sense as nvidia does not (yet) have a proper competitor in this segment.
I expect them to fix that brisk brisk though. Againnn AMD disappoints.
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Call it what you will, they still drop the price to compete. :)
The 1st of many more to come, I'm sure.
AMD realized that the 680 was (at first) a paper launch, and now the problem is availability, so they're not that hard-pressed to drop the price at all, but like the rest of us, they also realized that the 680 is slightly superior, so a price-drop (albeit a small one) was inevitable.
Cap... I'll bet you a Subway sandwich that by December 31st, the price of a 7950 will drop to 300 US, or below.
Save that in your Google calendar. :laughing7:
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Sounding like a Radeon fan boy there eh Arc.
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Nope.
I just want to see a little more competition.
Remember what I always say: '...whichever is fastest at 300 US wins'.
Not my fault if that happens to be AMD.
You can have your overpriced Nvidia cards. My wallet will be having none of that. :laughing7:
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fan boy...
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Sounding like a Radeon fan boy there eh Arc.
fan boy...
Says the guy who tri-fired a 6990 and 6970 =p
Can't give Arc wrong, yes we know that Nvidia roflstomps AMD in performance on almost all levels, but AMD still is cheaper for good performance.
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I wouldn't go as far as roflstomp... Nvidia and AMD have traded blows for top spot years now. Whats best performance for your pocket ultimately is best for you.
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Wait and see. Nvidia will have at least one beastly card in the $300 price range before your upgrade Arc that will definitely blow any MAD offering out of the water.
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^^ my thing exactly
And I did not say fan boy in a jerring manner. Because I am an Nvidia Fanboy myself. Just that the 6990 is still the fastest single " card ".
Understand why I got it now Virtue?
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Understand why I got it now Virtue?
Si senor.
On another note: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=-1&isNodeId=1&Description=HD+7970&x=0&y=0
The prices of the 7970 are about the same as the 680 (Amazon sticking as usual). Considering that the 680 will be out of stock for some time, this may be AMD's sales spotlight perhaps because of this (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/tsmc-nvidia-gpu-samsung-umc,15363.html)
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holy *uck!!!
http://www.guru3d.com/news/his-radeon-hd-7970-x2-video-card/
im depressed.
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The trading of blows continues:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review-benchmark,3232.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review-benchmark,3232.html)
AMD has recaptured the crown (for now)
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Saw this on Anandtech and it caught my eye - Powercolor Devil13 HD 7990 http://www.anandtech.com/show/6193/powercolor-announces-devil13-hd7990 (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6193/powercolor-announces-devil13-hd7990)
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LMAO at TDP row in the comparision chart of that article..
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I had to read the chart a 2nd time to see what you were talking about. :laughing7:
'Even more' indeed.
An utter and absolute waste of money...but then the target market wouldn't really give a flying f@#k either way.
Dem so is a waste a f@#king time...just like that card. :/
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7990-devil13-7970-x2,3329.html
well now....
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That HIS 7970X2 is a bonafide beast, but at that price, and with that kind of power consumption...no thanks. That building a whole next PC yes...lawd faddah.
Of course, if you can actually afford one..light-bill is of little significance to you.
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Check this out: http://techreport.com/news/24306/new-amd-bundle-includes-crysis-3-bioshock-infinite-tomb-raider
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_never_reloaded_settle_bundle,1.html
AMD hitting HARD with some value bundles there boy. I like them deals...a LOT. :laughing7:
If you're in the market for a new 7000-series card...now's the time to buy, ESPECIALLY if you're looking forward to them games. :icon_thumright:
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So do I shell out for a 7970, scrounge for a 7950 or worry over a gtx670? cuz I do want my BL2 with dat physx
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tempting offer, but these games (steam ones at least) tend to go for dirt cheap within a few months. (hell sometimes weeks)
Personally think id still go in direction of nvidia. Still tho awesome deal.
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I wonder if the green team will come out with competing deals?
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they dont need to imo
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Have you guys SEEN THIS!!? :awesome:
(http://legitreviews.com/images/reviews/2133/asus-ares2-gpu.jpg)
http://youtu.be/Jy7GQiD8Zbw
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_ares_ii_2_review,1.html
Lawd jesus!!!
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Wow that beast absolutely wipes the floor with a regular 690. Interesting to see what a similarly kitted out 690 can do.
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-Malta-radeon-7990-Benchmark-Leak,22169.html
GG WP.
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That is 100% scaling over a single 7970 (according to those figures). Good GAWD. :awesome:
Not a fan of AMD's drivers of late, but that performance is nothing to scoff at.
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7990-review-benchmark,3486.html