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Tech Talk => Mobile Phones & Gadgets => Topic started by: TriniXaeno on January 03, 2012, 07:52:35 PM
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It has been a hot topic in our various chat groups of recent.
Is this the end for BlackBerry?
The once unstoppable mobile platform is in some serious trouble.
Take a look at its stock. (see attached)
The Playbook sold dismally and the attack is coming on strong from Apple and Android in its many forms.
Now shareholders are calling for heads to roll:
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/business-it/rim-close-to-stripping-ceos-of-chairmanship-report-20120104-1pk6q.html
Things do not looking promising.
Can they make a comeback?
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Short Answer.....No.
RIM will soon be gobbled up by MicroNokia, thats my 2012 prediction.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/20/rim-purportedly-shopped-by-microsoft-and-nokia-talked-with-sams/
http://www.wpcentral.com/nokia-microsoft-have-been-talks-rim
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Now a MicroRimKia could be interesting.
A Captain Planet / Voltron Force attack on Android and Iphone.
By their powers combined......in a strange way, it actually makes sense.
If Corporate jumps ship to WP7, I might have one of these in the not too distant future
(need that tactile from a real keyboard in my life, lol)
(http://i.dell.com/das/xa.ashx/global-site-design%20WEB/32b18269-286b-5681-f27c-be215351ae11/1/OriginalPng?id=Dell/Product_Images/Dell_Client_Products/Mobility/phones/venue_pro/hero/mobile-venue-pro-hero-v2.png)
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^^ Indeed.
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That would be interesting cause they're dropping market share like there's no tomorrow!!
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Blackberry has just a couple things going for them.
1) Their enterprise management solution is the best i've come across so far
2) Masses of people are still hopelessly lovestruck with BBM, (though the number is dwindling quickly, thankfully)
They are hoping that BBX turns the ship around and as such most likely wont sell to anyone until after then. Sadly, it isnt due out until late 2012 at which point they would have lost too much market share to make a comeback.
Whoever buys them will cannibalise the operation and RIM/Blackberry would probably go down the same road that PALM did: shot once in the thigh and left in a lonely alley to (slowly) bleed to death.
I cant wait to format c: on our BES server and manage a REAL smartphone eco system.
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LOL @ 'format c:' :laughing7:
Now that my employers are so dependent on the BB ecosystem, I'll wonder how they'll adapt to a defunct RIM in the future?
Even money tells me they'll adopt WP7. I guess its OK enough for a 'work' phone.
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hard lol @ format C:
Palm was my first love and I was sorry to see them go.
Must admit, that aside from the dismal web browsing experience, the BlackBerry Bold does everything I need in a phone. Strong emphasis on "need", not want.
As the world becomes more and more web centric, that poor internet experience will be a deal breaker for many.
From all accounts online you are right. They are counting on BlackBerry 10 to bring them back into the game. That will be a herculean task.
and with the share price as low as it is.....I don't know if they can last till late 2012. That release date should have been Q1.
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BES bess, but more and more ppl rolling into companies with iphones and asking for it to be setup on exchange, Men rejecting company provided BBs and rolling iphone oui.
And BBM mite be huge in Trini / Caribbean, but in the US its gone to shit. So not even that saving them.
I juss want MS to buy BES tech, BBM and RIM network, integrate bes into exchange, integrate bbm into wp messaging hub, and leverage the rim network to get better roaming fees. Then is GG.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/03/financial-post-report-suggests-rims-balsillie-and-lazaridis-may/
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Wonder if there's something my torch knew why it did seppuku on itself last week :shakehead:
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lol
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http://www.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phones/should-rim-adopt-android-or-windows-phone-to-stay-alive/7186
More nails being "pong" in RIM's coffin.
How long can the BlackBerry last against rampant industry speculation about their doom?
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and the coffin flies open.
a fully animated walking dead zombie version of RIM emerges, wielding a winnner.
It is said to be only a concept
but if RIM delivers on this...along with BlackBerry 10....they are back in the game.
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Hmm, I think your thoughts are premature! We have yet to see the new bb OS in action.
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if they come through with that concept, it may help them stay relevant to the bb faithfuls, but if they want to gain dominance over Apple and the Android movement, i don't see how that's possible nah.
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@w1ntry: hence the word "if"
Its no easy task, clawing back into the action after they've dug a whole this deep. Will take nothing short of a small miracle.
@philo, they may no longer have a shot at dominance...but relevance would be considered a win to keep their coffers flowing for some years to come.
The corporate market is nothing to sneeze at eh. $4k for a top tier blackberry bold and companies buy them by the hundreds.
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Not really impressed by that concept to be honest. They have plenty competition...
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lol wyatt is a bb faithfull allyuh.. dont believe what he says!!! lol
j/k
on a serious note doh... thing is with bb, when you put a sour taste in ppl mouth... it hard to get them back in favor with you... so this might actually be a harder battle than they thought, even if they do release a good device/os... alot of corporations already moved away from bb globally, remember things in trini does happen after time... so trini might still be strong on bb, but eventually we will follow suit.
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Correct is right
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Looks like crap, will be crap and they gonna continue doing crap.....good luck to them.
From my Sensation, oh and BlackBerry Sucks!!
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To me, in TT android devices are better phones in general but blackberrys are better communication devices due to bbm. And I have to admit bbm is prob the best mobile messenger there is.
It will also take a while for trinis to fully accept whatsapp and other cross platform messengers and i blame that on bmobile/digicel (no 3g). Their marketing plan for android was not strong enough
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Don't think they can survive on bbm alone.
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It may not survive forever. But at least in TT and other similar developing countries it surely is still the most popular phone brand and that wont change any time soon
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Don't think they can survive on bbm alone.
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You'd be surprised Woody. Hater brings a very good point up. Every other person in Trinidad has a blackberry now. Most affordable, user friendly (and by user friendly, i mean to the every day joe) and convenient (bbm) phone atm. Someone was explaining to me that Bmobile at least, makes most of its money from pre-paid customers. All these teenagers today are using their bb's to msg ppl rather than use MyLime calls or text. $30 a week from a couple thousand users is a hefty income.
Androids, iPhones, WP7 are for more techie people like a lot of people here. So at least in our region where the higher end smart phones cannot be fully utilized due to the limitations of service providers, Blackberry will continue to dominate till that changes or RIM goes under or the other phones get cheaper.
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Yeah I totally get that. You see it everywhere in tt, from school children to you people in bars whipping out their bb. I am noticing a trend though more of my friends are switching away from bb, surprising since many were hooked on bbm. Perhaps it will be less popular as android/wp handsets get better and cheaper....
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Yeah I totally get that. You see it everywhere in tt, from school children to you people in bars whipping out their bb. I am noticing a trend though more of my friends are switching away from bb, surprising since many were hooked on bbm. Perhaps it will be less popular as android/wp handsets get better and cheaper....
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Either that or ppl starting to realize that BBM is waste of time/cause of alot of trouble.
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Yeah I totally get that. You see it everywhere in tt, from school children to you people in bars whipping out their bb. I am noticing a trend though more of my friends are switching away from bb, surprising since many were hooked on bbm. Perhaps it will be less popular as android/wp handsets get better and cheaper....
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Either that or ppl starting to realize that BBM is waste of time/cause of alot of trouble.
bbm or the mobile provider?
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BOTH! lol
I can't tell you how often i get a phone call from a friend to see how i'm going, cuz well, it barely happens. People are beginning to lose the importance of actual social interactions. BBM doesn't really help the case in today's youth. Very little effort is needed to make contact with ppl, and you now take everything for granted. You know how many times a week i'd see someone letting everyone know on facebook/bbm status that their service down so they can't talk to anyone? Really?
Not to mention there are a lot of dead spots around the place. The service itself is not consistent at all, at least with bmobile. To think we've had cell phone for over 10 years and still can't get proper coverage around the island from that one provided. Its poor imo. Digicel apparently has a lot better coverage for the BB services, or so i've been told.
*If anyone working TSTT here i hope u reading eh =p*
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BOTH! lol
I can't tell you how often i get a phone call from a friend to see how i'm going, cuz well, it barely happens. People are beginning to lose the importance of actual social interactions. BBM doesn't really help the case in today's youth. Very little effort is needed to make contact with ppl, and you now take everything for granted. You know how many times a week i'd see someone letting everyone know on facebook/bbm status that their service down so they can't talk to anyone? Really?
Not to mention there are a lot of dead spots around the place. The service itself is not consistent at all, at least with bmobile. To think we've had cell phone for over 10 years and still can't get proper coverage around the island from that one provided. Its poor imo. Digicel apparently has a lot better coverage for the BB services, or so i've been told.
*If anyone working TSTT here i hope u reading eh =p*
Our edge service is horrible.
Social media and IM networks are a double edged sword. We are more connected than ever yet it leads to less social interaction, ironic indeed.
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Far be it that I am the harbinger of doom for bb, but hey the numbers don't lie:
Apple knocks RIM off smartphone top spot in Canada
Blackberry maker gets beaten in its own back yard
By Robert Jaques
Fri Mar 23 2012, 10:47
CANADIAN BLACKBERRY MAKER Research in Motion (RIM) has been knocked off the top of the smartphone shipment league in its home country for the first time.
Sales figures show that the Ontario based company flogged 2.08 million Blackberrys last year in Canada but was pipped at the post by Apple, which shipped 2.85 million units in the country over the same period.
The data, which was produced by research group IDC for Bloomberg, reveals that in 2010 there were around 500,000 more Blackberry devices sold in Canada than Iphones. According to IDC estimates, in 2008 Blackberry devices were outselling Iphones by a factor of five, showing the speed of RIM's decline in its own back yard.
Paul Taylor, a fund manager at BMO Harris Private Banking in Toronto who manages about $15bn in assets, including RIM and Apple shares, told Bloomberg that the Blackberry's decline was due in large part to the Iphone's ease of use and superior portfolio of apps.
"For RIM, in its home market, to lose that No. 1 position to iPhone is strategically important," Taylor said.
"It does identify, even with a home-country bias, how consumers are responding to the greater functionality of the iPhone."
The loss of domestic smartphone market supremacy comes after RIM admitted that it will not upgrade its current Blackberry devices to its upcoming Blackberry 10 operating system, a limitation that could make punters think twice about buying the company's kit.
At RIM's first Developer Conference in Europe last month Vivek Bhardwaj, head of the software portfolio at RIM, told The INQUIRER, "Our currently Blackberry line of smartphones will still remain based on our current Blackberry operating system."
RIM has so far not responded to our request for comment. µ
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2163182/apple-knocks-rim-smartphone-spot-canada (http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2163182/apple-knocks-rim-smartphone-spot-canada)
Ouch... beaten in your own backyard... daz a disrespect right there, but imho RIM has had this coming, they really needed to give they users MORE considering they selling point. Instead it seems they buried their heads in the sand and just hoped Android, WP7 and iOS were just a bad dream.
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hahahah @ bad dream
poetically put w1n
I couldn't agree with you more.
According to Ian Alleyne, the hunt is on....they gonna hunt RIM down.
Attacked on the Techie side by Android....beaten on the ease of use side by Iphone / IOS.
Rim is stuck in the middle. No man's land. Palm was there not too long ago.
The Caribbean is a microscopic market when compared to the global village. RIM holding pole position here will not help their cause (and share price). If the company folds, it will be GG.
They need to bring that concept phone to market with a killer OS 10 sooner rather than later to stay alive.
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^Yea buddy concept phone.......right that's gonna do it.....
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Best shot they've got
(http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26571.0;attach=10832;image)
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The biggest problem with BB isn't the phones imho, its the DAMN FUNCTIONALITY (or lackthereof) at a considerably high PRICE. Simple terms, drop price for the crap OS they have AND improve phones so the next gen closes the gap STILL at a lower price point. I pay 2800 for my ATRIX 2, they have NO BB that could come around my phone at a damn bold is 3k+? WTH? really?
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problem is, the old phones can't be upgraded to OS 10 (so says rim, since its a completely new OS), as a result, they need new hardware in combination with the new OS to stay relevant.
Hence the concept phone being their best, if not only hope.
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RIM is basically dead and buried everywhere that matters.
They still have a lot of success in developing markets such as the Caribbean, Africa, Middle East etc where people are just getting into the idea of smartphones, where bbm makes them a huge hit and where the markets aren't sophisticated yet enough to handle iOS/Android in their full glory.
Holding strong in these markets is essentially a slow death. The name of the game right now is apps. Those markets don't have the established app developers, and the established developers are more interested in the purchasing power of a man in the US of Western Europe than some dude in Africa. So they'll support the dominant platforms in developed countries.
By the time BB10 is launched, even Windows Phone will have gotten a year head start on them. And if the rumour of them having limited android app emulation is true that doesn't do much, why settle for android app emulation when you can get the real deal. Even assuming RIM's new phones and OS are a quality products, they don't have a game changer that will cause buyers in developed countries to flock back. RIM lost all that market share because they made significant missteps, for them to regain any of it means they have to wait for Apple, Google and later Microsoft to make similar ones. Seems doubtful to me.
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There are still enough corporate customers for RIM who won't want to change immediately. This will give them time to make improvements and maybe come back.
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more nails in the RIM coffin
http://crackberry.com/6000-rim-jobs-line (http://crackberry.com/6000-rim-jobs-line)
(http://cdn.crackberry.com/sites/crackberry.com/files/u10880/6k-rim-jobs.jpg)
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That is serious business, but the headline is comedy gold... in a decidedly NSFW kind of way. :laughing7:
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hahahahaha haaaaaah
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Lul.... I'm almost sure that was the goal
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Lol I now notice that. Arc yuh dutty
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LOL @ Arc
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eewwww
lol, trust arc to put a nsfw spin on that piece of news
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LMAO... how could you NOT see that!? :laughing6:
Like W1nTry said, I think it was done on purpose.
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Another worrying headline for RIM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/18/us-celestica-contract-rim-idUSBRE85H0RK20120618
As they are winding down production to cut costs and there is some talk of massive unsold inventory.
Will BB 10 be enough to claw out of this hole?
After using Android ICS myself and seeing what Microsoft has planned in WP8, I don't think so.
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So BlackBerry 10 has been pushed back to 2013
Talk about way too little....way too late.
http://www.phonedog.com/2012/06/29/rim-it-s-time-to-start-weighing-your-options/
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY
NFSW
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hahahha, well said
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Run DMC's "Take the money and run" comes to mind. Specifically, Google's money.
QNX really isnt that bad in terms of interface and functionality. Combine that, bbm and some android goodness, they could very well be on to something...
Lets hope good sense prevails...for their sake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTr-BH1Dl_s
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http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2188219/rim-reportedly-mulls-windows-phone-future-blackberry-handsets?utm_campaign=INQ_Facebook&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Twitterfeed
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WindowsPhone + RIM is an enterprise win.
Who knows what the future may hold.
As much as I like Android....it doesn't feel enterprise ready just yet.
If RIM and MS team up, they can maintain their strangle hold on that market space, no doubt.
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RIM is exactly what Google needs to put an enterprise spin on things. I dont think MS needs any more help to do that.
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Microsoft is boo in that market in terms of telephony.
RIM was always a bit of an outside child.
WP7 married with Exchange + RIM would mean a totally natural evolution for the enterprise. The automatic choice by CIOs the world over.
The enterprise install base of BES would just be terra formed into a Microsoft solution.
Typical MS modus operandi.
Would be interesting to see.
Google already has Motorola. They don't really need RIM on the hardware side. And they surely don't need them on the software side.
Google would be better positioned polishing Android to be an enterprise competitor and a lay mans platform. Effectively marrying the two.
They are well on their way to achieving that I think. Two more years and is gg
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RIM's CMO Says BlackBerry 10 is so Popular it Advertises Itself (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=25135)
Everyone's a comedian. :laughing7: