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Off Topic => Ole Talk => Politics & Soap Box Rants => Topic started by: TriniXaeno on September 10, 2004, 11:20:30 PM
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This is the first post in the the new "politics" section of GATT.
Something that we have been sorely lacking.
It is to promote intellectual discourse on the governance and direction of the association.
Anyone is welcome to contribute, posts that are off base, spam, etc... will be promptly removed by admins.
The first issue I will like to broach is identifying the many facets of GATT. Some broad "gamer" profiles (casual gamer, hard core sweater, forum fan, GL regular) and identify what they want, what they enjoy and how we have been serving them.
Then more importantly, how better we can serve them and their needs.
On your marks, get set....(gun shot)
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this is asking for flame wars, one sided arguments and off topic posts.... mods are gonna be busy :) .
I know of the government as a bunch of corrupt old people who are either to stupid to make the right decisions, too corrupt, or others are holding them back. They ask for advice on telecommunications from the people who own the other 49% of TSTT and expect the right answers ......
They enjoy hijacking the media to try to turn attention away from the main problems and spread propoganda . eg. 'Let the bills pass!' , do you think spending our tax dollars on an advertisement softened up the opposition any? noooo...... but it did make the opposition look like they were especially evil when they opposed the bills.
The government is also either too soft or too corrupt to take proper action eg. the jamaat run the EMA off a quarry, the jamaat have links to known terrorist organisations , the jamaat were responsible for the last coup!!!! giving them our land is NOT ACCEPTABLE!
The government agencies eg. EMA , the one that monitered the monopolies etc. have no teeth . They cannot force TSTT to lower rates or people to stop slash and burn agriculture on the hillsides .
This generally applies to all parties that passed through office though with a few changes in incompitence and ability between them.
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HOSS SERIOUSLY WHA D F*CK DAH HADDA DO WIT GAMMING U IS ONE MUDDER TUNT
D MAN talking bout gaming politics as in d thread about the forums dieing nobody in care bout government an tstt that is fuh yuh local ombudsman to hear
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lol, trini iwmc.
but we talking about GATT Politics, not national politics.
Let's decide on some gamer profiles.
GL Regular
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Frequents a GL in his area, paying typically $5 an hour for use of a GamePC with internet access
1)Transport to and from GL
2)Pocket money
Forum Regular
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Frequents the forums and contributes to the online community. (free)
1)A computer
2)Internet connection
3) Email account (for sign up)
GATT CHAT Regular
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Frequents GATT CHat and contributes to the online community. (free)
Needs
1) A computer
2) Internet connection
3) IRC Client / Web Client
Tournament / Event Regular
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Frequents major events and tournaments held by the association. (free - $40)
1)Transport to and from location
2)Pocket money
3) Advanced notice of the event
Mailing List Regular
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Participates in one of the mailing lists run by the association. (Free)
1) A computer
2) Internet connection
3) POP3 Mail Client (webmail inadequate)
Online Gamer
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Plays Peer to Peer and Server based games online. (free)
1) A Gameworthy Computer
2) Internet Connection (preferably DSL)
3) Games
Sweat Regular
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Frequents lan parties, typically paying $30 for 8 or more hours of gametime after closing hours at a GL or other location.
1) Transport to and from location
2) Pocket Money
3) Insomnia
Arcade Gamer (A dying breed?)
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Console Gamer
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Plays primarily console games at home and at GLs.
1) Xbox, PS2, Gamecube
2) Mods
Competitive Gamer
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Keen on competition and rivalry, regardless of the forum.
1) Competitors
Ultra Regular / Ultra Gamer (combinations of the above)
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Does everything, from online to gl.
Non Regular
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Does not one crap.
Anything missin?
*Obviously, a gamer can fall into several profiles simultaneously or at various times during his life as a GATT member.
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this is asking for flame wars, one sided arguments and off topic posts.... mods are gonna be busy :) .
I know of the government as a bunch of corrupt old people who are either to stupid to make the right decisions, too corrupt, or others are holding them back. They ask for advice on telecommunications from the people who own the other 49% of TSTT and expect the right answers ......
They enjoy hijacking the media to try to turn attention away from the main problems and spread propoganda . eg. 'Let the bills pass!' , do you think spending our tax dollars on an advertisement softened up the opposition any? noooo...... but it did make the opposition look like they were especially evil when they opposed the bills.
The government is also either too soft or too corrupt to take proper action eg. the jamaat run the EMA off a quarry, the jamaat have links to known terrorist organisations , the jamaat were responsible for the last coup!!!! giving them our land is NOT ACCEPTABLE!
The government agencies eg. EMA , the one that monitered the monopolies etc. have no teeth . They cannot force TSTT to lower rates or people to stop slash and burn agriculture on the hillsides .
This generally applies to all parties that passed through office though with a few changes in incompitence and ability between them.
STAY OFF DE DRUGS NAH HOSS!
you a man on a substance, i realise dat long time
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lol, trini iwmc.
but we talking about GATT Politics, not national politics.
Let's decide on some gamer profiles.
GL Regular
Frequents a GL in his area, paying typically $5 an hour for use of a GamePC with internet access
Forum Regular
Frequents the forums and contributes to the online community.
GATT CHAT Regular
Frequents GATT CHat and contributes to the online community.
Tournament Regular
Frequents major events and tournaments held by the association.
Mailing List Regular
Participates in one of the mailing lists run by the association.
Online Gamer
Plays Peer to Peer and Server based games online.
Anything missin?
Non Regular
Does not one shit.
Ultra Regular
Does everything, from online to gl.
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I confused wha baego trying to say bout dem regular tings steups hoss elaborate nah
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lol, I will try
better yet, offer up what you understand by it and we will clarify.
Is not just about what I wanna say, it's all about how the gamedom sees itself and how we want to make life better for everyone.
Let me give you an example.
The GL Regular.
A gamer who goes down to Etech everyday after school. He pays $5 an hour to sweat need for speed underground.
What GATT can do for him?
1) Seek to maintain the price for that game session at a reasonable level
2) Encourage the GL owner to keep the latest games available, patches, etc..
3) Encourage the GL owner to upgrade the gaming hardware to improve his experience.
What can he do for GATT?
1) Spread the good news about the membership to his friends and family.
2) Increase patronage to the GLs by encouraging gamers to frequent the location.
Politics iwmc
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sounds like a marketing strategy and a bit of customer exploitation
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I am a casual gamer but from what i see of gatt is like allyuh tryin to hide from people i just sayin that i never see an ad for gatt n e where I found out it existed from frozen and from men talkin bout imperial and how much he so dread inguilty gear and street fighter (Osiris) but I knew about shadow skill before gatt lol (if i off topic sorry is just sumthin i wanted to say)
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lol
politics always sounds like that.
a necessary evil I guess.
For GATT, it's about understanding your people so you can best serve them.
at the end of de day, is betterment and merriment iwmc.
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nah man, yuh not offtopic at all
That is precisely de kinda talk we need in this section.
GATT not advertised in main stream circles. Except for blurbs in the press by members who work in the press. kayode/shizz/strongy
We discussed doing ads many times but the costs were always prohibitive. Somebody need to win lotto and sponsor us that.
We are advertised on other online sites and trinidad web directories. That is akin to preaching to the choir though.
What other sort of advertising do you suggest?
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I'm extremely tired, so if I say anything dumb....then it's the lack of sleep. I don't know about how your place is set up but I would reccommend some good ideas/business models/marketing strategies. Drop me an e-mail with some more info on the place at tech53@hotpop.com
I think that you could beef up your Linux/Unix area a bit more. Or maybe add some sort of administrator area instead. Maybe some howtos....howtos are always good, on any topic, everybody likes howtos.
I may frequent this area more when I am not so tired, and my brain works a little better.
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I'm extremely tired, so if I say anything dumb....then it's the lack of sleep. I don't know about how your place is set up but I would reccommend some good ideas/business models/marketing strategies. Drop me an e-mail with some more info on the place at tech53@hotpop.com
I think that you could beef up your Linux/Unix area a bit more. Or maybe add some sort of administrator area instead. Maybe some howtos....howtos are always good, on any topic, everybody likes howtos.
I may frequent this area more when I am not so tired, and my brain works a little better.
some how to's are nice. i tried adding tech53@hotpop.com to msn messenger, so we can talk in real time or something. if that isnt your msn address lemme know what is
i also added you to my aim contact list
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Perhaps it's time to look at different levels of membership, again!
Members (paying) who will reap the benefits associated with being a paying member (discounts for entering tournaments etc.)
Associate Members (non paying) who will have access to the forum (perhaps not full access) but will have to pay full price to participate in tournaments etc.
Again this can be broken down into many different levels and systems of classification. If the Admins and senior members are willing maybe we can meet and discuss this further.
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I believe that system once existed Computerman, but since GATT membership increased by the hundreds it has been forsaken.
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on the topic of spreading the news of gatt
it has been done by numerous persons
especially with relation to school
yet older members bash us and call us loud mouths and all of that
which really turns us off from enjoying the gaming experience
for example
in hq
there were originally for the most
atleast 20 persons in total who actually visted hq
over the last year
that number has exceeded 100 persons who have actually visted
on average 10 go on a daily basis
us young gatters are the future
and some of us can actually keep up
with the old gatters
but because of all the bashing
we really get fed up
and the gatt community loses members this way
this is a problem that really must be stopped...
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I believe that system once existed Computerman, but since GATT membership increased by the hundreds it has been forsaken.
I remember hearing somthing about that at the last TTCS seminar I attended (in the late 80's). They were handing out flyers for some gamers association....I don't know if it was GATT in it's previous form....before the split.
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big post mangoseed and computerman.
I understand computerman clearly. Like smurf said, the system has been forsaken with the increased membership / to increase membership. Now that our numbers are 1000+ it can be looked at again. To establish or distinguish a hardcore group of gamers from the casual GL gamers. Pros and cons anyone?
seed, could you elaborate?
I have seen this persecution of the "younger generation" and have done my darndest to abate it. Just as you state, I believe you guys are the future and we should do our part to be good role models and provide encouragement rather than negative comments and bashing.
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whoa @ late 80s, couldn't be us.
We have not been around that long. Our genesis came in the late 90s.
And for the record, we haven't had any split.
Over the years some bad seed have been put out by various admin for good reason, but nothing more, nothing less.
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Perhaps it's time to look at different levels of membership, again!
Members (paying) who will reap the benefits associated with being a paying member (discounts for entering tournaments etc.)
Associate Members (non paying) who will have access to the forum (perhaps not full access) but will have to pay full price to participate in tournaments etc.
I have been saying this since I hit gatt 2 years ago , no one ever listened.
Not in all those big words:) but along the same lines.
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well hidden, if you were not such a notorious spammer then, people may have paid you more mind. lol
in any case...saying it doesn't win you a box of chocolates, only 1 gold. It's implementing it, now that's the doozie.
Pros and Cons iwmc. That will surely be one of the harder things to enact that will come out of this politics section.
Hopefully we will find a lot of easier fish to fry.
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suggestion
rename the topic to
the republic
politics at its best
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if you were not such a notorious spammer then, people may have paid you more mind. lol
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WHA D F*CK DAH SUPPOSE TO MEAN
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us young gatters are the future
and some of us can actually keep up
with the old gatters
but because of all the bashing
we really get fed up
and the gatt community loses members this way
speaking up younger gamers...
I playin games online and men owning me in mohaa
and when i ask how old they is
12, 13 year olds
im like WDMC!!!!! BEASTS
"our seed will inherit the earth"
i remember that quote from a preacher on TV
nothing lasts forever and the gatt we all once knew has changed, jus like society. Evolution and adaptation is inevitable. Its your choice whether you choose to accept the change
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us young gatters are the future
and some of us can actually keep up
with the old gatters
but because of all the bashing
we really get fed up
and the gatt community loses members this way
speaking up younger gamers...
I playin games online and men owning me in mohaa
and when i ask how old they is
12, 13 year olds
im like WDMC!!!!! BEASTS
"our seed will inherit the earth"
i remember that quote from a preacher on TV
nothing lasts forever and the gatt we all once knew has changed, jus like society. Evolution and adaptation is inevitable. Its your choice whether you choose to accept the change
meh boy people who say they is them age online is really half back old man eh, in dey thirties or fortees. take my word on that
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on the topic of spreading the news of gatt
it has been done by numerous persons
especially with relation to school
yet older members bash us and call us loud mouths and all of that
which really turns us off from enjoying the gaming experience
for example
in hq
there were originally for the most
atleast 20 persons in total who actually visted hq
over the last year
that number has exceeded 100 persons who have actually visted
on average 10 go on a daily basis
us young gatters are the future
and some of us can actually keep up
with the old gatters
but because of all the bashing
we really get fed up
and the gatt community loses members this way
this is a problem that really must be stopped...
meh boy that normal, i mean people go always look down on the younger ones, and try to make them seem lame an thing. you just hadda forget them and doh take it serious. what you talk about isnt just in gatt but in life. if you a man with more talant than a big half back old man, he go feel shame and show less respect for you and jealous etc, so he go open he mouth and say you weak an thing. is not to take it on, that is trinis for you yes.
just hadda know that not everyone like that at all, people go respect you if you prove yourself an thing and not everyone after getting dey lixx will come on forum etc and lie an thing. keep fighting!!! you go get recognizition and if possible try to make the people who trying to make you look weak very stupid. eg: challenge them in a game or something, if you mash dem up bad, then put in your sig i beat so and so bad bad bad, with a score. :) , humiliation idmc. after that day they go never talk bout you again, lol
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D best advertisin is to send a man where does sell games and kinda contract heself for a day cut man arse and tell dem go gatt to improve dey skills
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sorry to spam by double postin but a thought of mine, why not go to people who does sell games and shim and ask if they want to help out that kinda organization. Like suppose neo promise to give deck advice but always send them to that specific store. Or the computer men could probably do the same. Another thing is to open advertising on gatt i mean look at triniscene. ESPECIALLY thing like animecity and tournies ask them to pay a lil fee to drop an ad on allyuh forums (and of course show circulation)
i just brain stormin
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brilliant.
we have some online advertising avenues available to us. We need to capitalise on them.
GATT already had banners on triniscene, but we need to keep them there. Put fresher ads. Musbe de same old ad for the last 3 years.
Anybody wanna do up some animated ones? flash, gif. Talant iwmc.
We will get 'em placed as many places as possible. Likewise, we workin on gettin some ads placed on the site from Carib / Nestle, etc...
nice one Shin
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thank you thank you!!! but on a real i think yuh hada identify ur market 1st cuz for d youngins and dem just give a man from a respective school or just get d word out cuz i tellin yuh school wars on console would be decent and since is students just tell him to put it up. Cuz i knew a man in cic who used to spread d word for anime city like wild fire so just get urself one of those
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yeah we have some of those, we need more!
A new generation of rabid gamers to carry the GATT torch in schools.
there is an upcoming animaecaribe festival in town, we could start the hype there. Suppose to have real school children passin through.
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well good luck with it all u need is a few hot men with gatt spray paint on somethin and let them hot up real people
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Does gatt have an official logo like dest ? is it registered ? cuz i show if u contract d hotter artist in this place d logo will be hot
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check top left corner of this page.
logo iymc
we have a monogram too, but that bout 4 years old
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that is d logo... ok i think is time for an update lol well if is just me u can pass it off but i think something a little less geled a lil more squared and not a control if u want start a competition for logos cuz i think u could come better. again just an opinion. When compared to dest it seems to have little thought compared.
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I am of the opinion that if GATT members put half the amount of time, effort, skill and energy they use to make their sigs into making banners.....GATT would have a monoploy of online advertising in T&T.
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personal effort is a multiple of personal desire
then again why not auction some gold lol
ask men to make banners for gold and ting cuz with a logo that dread men i doubt would mind havin that somewhere on there ultra-gamers sites
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good point
de more de merrier iwmc
lol @ gold as an incentive
I feel a lil cash goes a long way.
Anyone willin to donate some dinero to the cause?
Ask moms/pops/aunt/brother/sister...tell 'em is for a good cause.