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« on: April 23, 2008, 09:53:03 AM »
Some early outtings:
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GDDR5 lined up

By Wily Ferret: Wednesday, 23 April 2008, 1:25 PM

SOME NEW INFO on the latest round of AMD graphics processors has suspiciously reared its head on a German hardware website, purporting to show the full spec list for DAAMIT's range of next-gen mid-range products, based on RV770.

The 4870, 4850 and 4850 GDDR 3 are all built on DAAMIT's 55nm processor, have 480 stream processors, 32 TMUs and 16 ROPs, according to the data sheet.

The former will come with high-end GDDR5 memory for those that simply have to have the latest in incremental numbering systems, and the real differentiators will be the chip and memory speeds: 850/1050MHz for the 4870 and 650/850MHz for the 4850.

The Germans reckon that we're on for a May release, with the top end card costing $349 and the midrange $269, with the lower of the three yet to be priced up.

You can have a look at the chart for yourself here, and you might be interested in a little English-language discussion here, which includes the stunning revelation that 'Mai' might just be German for 'May'. Really?

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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2008, 10:14:31 AM »
hmm interesting, is that a shader clock i see? has always been my theory that the reason why nvidia's cards had an edge over the ati cards was because of that shader clock which i think is because of their difference in stream procession architecture. i could be wrong..

hmm i wonder what type of bargains and hardware will be availble by christmas, prices dropping wonderfully, ATi finally bringing something new on d plate.. hmm. Only to wonder what nvidia have up their sleeves.
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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2008, 10:20:34 AM »
Well considering that Nvidia put out the 9xxx series which isn't much of a new generation vs. a product refresh... I not sure IF nvidia will indeed put out ANOTHER 'new product' for the year. That being said, there are multiple reasons Nvidia's hardware seems to run faster. Two important ones are:
1. Faster Shaders - this is tied to types of shaders used as it's been stated ATI could see better performance if games were programmed differently
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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2008, 10:23:03 AM »
LMAO @ twimtbp... the graphics card mafia, almost every stinking game i see has that nvidia slogan.

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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2008, 11:14:35 AM »
LMAO @ twimtbp... the graphics card mafia, almost every stinking game i see has that nvidia slogan.
Exactly!

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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2008, 11:14:35 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2008, 11:12:50 AM »
http://hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTIwODk5Mjk4MXRuZEJvcEpIU1FfMV8xX2wuanBn


Prices will be  $349 for the 1GB GDDR5 HD4870 , $267 for the 512mb GDDR5 4850 , and probably close to $200 for the GDDR3 4850.

  Based on the price points the 4870 should be at least twice as fast as the 3870, as it will be competing against the 9800GTX , the 3850 X2 sells for 349 self , and the 3870 will drop in price significantly on the release of he HD4xxx series.

 The different models of the 4850 should at least equal the 8800GTS and GT at the price points it will be pushed at.


 The 4600 series with 240 stream processors would then be the equal of a 3870/9600gt for around $150.

 Though all my extrapolations could be wrong...  just a few weeks till we see the truth.

I think ATI's weakness has always been the low number of TMUs they put in the 2900/3870 (16 TMU) . 
The 9800GTX has something like 64 , the 9600 around 32 . In any game that required alot of texturing power the ATIs would trail far behind , having 1/4 the TMUs of the top end Nvidia. 


with the HD4870, ATI put in 32 TMUs, doubling texture power ,and increasing shader power by about 80%

( 320 x 850 = 272 000  versus 480 x 1050=504 000 not multiplying by operations per clock but this is a good enough idea of performance )

  and increased the memory bandwidth greatly..
 
 So i'm hoping for at least 2x the speed of the 3870, as this may be my next card to buy.
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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2008, 02:20:54 PM »
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Analysis PR teams gear up for carnage

By Charlie Demerjian: Friday, 02 May 2008, 5:05 PM

THIS SUMMER WE are going to see an large scale GPU war, something we haven't really seen for a few years now. Nvidia may have all the headlines today , but ATI has been plotting and rebuilding for the 7xx series launch.

Last year, the mere suggestion of ATI doing well was laughed at, but the firm took the outright lead with the X2 cards and forced NV into the reactionary GX2. ATI can do three and four-way adequately, albeit with the the Broken OS, while NV can only do it in name. Same with the bucket called 'hybrid' for both power and frame rate.

ATI has been plotting a comeback, and the R770/R700 parts should take the outright lead once again. The trick to the cards is what we told you almost two years ago, no more big GPUs.

You saw a little of that with the 3870X2, but the bridge was a simple PCIe switch. The real magic this time is a bridge that shares memory, GDDR5 in this case. Yup, you will have 2 GPUs with one set of memory.

This simplifies designs, lowers chip cost, and speeds time to market. You get two full variants for the design cost of 1.25, and you are on the happy end of the cost/area curve for fabbing silicon. While the early word on GT200 is that it is again 500mm^2+, ATI will have 2x chips that are much smaller, which translates into a huge cost advantage.

The other nice thing is that the bridge should keep the GPUs hidden from the system. This has a disadvantage of hard-wiring in the Crossfire modes leaving a little performance on the table, but when you have two of them in the system, it looks like two GPUs, not four. One look at the 1 -> 2 -> 4 scaling rates will show what a win that is.

What it comes down to in the end is that ATI looks to have built up a technological lead that NV is reacting to. It is the same thing that happened about the time when NV first released SLI, it had all the answers and ATI had to catch up. Now the tables are turned.

Another interesting change is on the PR side. NV has been mouthing off to anyone who won't run away fast enough while ATI has been silent. Some minor reshuffling at the ATI PR camp says that they are prepping for an outright hot war. As you know, it is always the silent ones that are the most trouble.

This summer we will see both trends come to a head, a new resurgent ATI technological lineup with a PR team willing to beat heads to get the job done. NV will be playing catchup with a long list of paper technologies and a few real ones.

The shouting should be pretty intense, and with Intel flipping sides, things will be all the more interesting.

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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2008, 03:17:30 PM »
Sorry to say this but I have NO brand royalty. Come July when those cards come out, if it turns out that they're beating Nvidia's offerings at a good price, daamit immc.

I find nvidia has been sitting on its hands more or less ever since the launch of the 8800 series back in 2006. You mean to tell me that one and a half years later you STILL can't come out with a new technology and are satisfied just flinging megaloads of recycled tech to people? And now just wasting time behaving like a little bit...girl cyring to Intel about how they're being unfair. DAAMIT nvidia DAAMIT.

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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2008, 05:46:15 PM »
^^ true that, nvidia only recycling the technology of the g80 chip and just calling it new names, adding a tiny feature here and there but no real difference, ATi can certainly take advantage of that with their r770, but who knows what these manufacturers have up their sleeves, always a trick here and there.

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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2008, 11:38:10 AM »
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ATI Radeon 4800 launch details: Meet (Terry) Makedon and Trojan (Horse)     

By Theo Valich   
Wednesday, May 14, 2008 17:48
TG Daily Exclusive – We previously published several details about AMD’s next-generation graphics card lineup and as we get closer to the launch we are getting more details about the launch date, feature set and prices. The good news: The new boards will come with “physics processing capability” and prices that will start below $200 for a 512 MB board. The bad news: The 4800 series will launch after Nvidia’s GT200.

Yes, we know, we previously said that the 4800 series would launch in May, but as it stands right now, we won’t be seeing the first new cards until mid-June. According To AMD’s current introduction schedule, the Radeon 4800 series will launch in week 25, which puts the day of the introduction somewhere between June 15 and June 22. What is significant about this time frame is that ATI will trail Nvidia and their new high-end chip GT200. 

This comes as a major surprise, because it was widely expected that ATI will debut its RV770 chip first, followed by Nvidia's summer part. But as it stands right now, Nvidia has the pole position in a new round of the graphics wars. Of course, the GT200 and RV770 are actually not entirely comparable, because of their huge price difference. But performance-wise, we're in for a possibly close race.

ATI's Radeon 4800 series will be introduced in three flavors - as 4850, 4870 and 4870 X2. The company will also offer a “4850 256MB” (as opposed to 512 MB in other versions), but this SKU is a so-called "option" and is geared towards to the OEM/ODM/SI crowd to support them with cheaper parts for the back-to-school period and beyond.

The Radeon 4850, code-named “Makedon,” is AMD's launch board. The name, by the way, is likely to refer to Terry "Catalyst" Makedon, group manager for software and video in the AMD (ATI) graphics division.  Of course, there is a small chance that Alexander The Great (Alexandros Megas, Alexandar Makedonski) may have influenced the naming, but somehow we feel that Terry has won this time.

The 4850 board features 512 MB of GDDR3 memory and is expected to be available in volume at launch. We heard that card vendors will start printing their boxes next week, which means that the specifications are final at this time. According to our sources, the 4850 will come with single-slot cooling; CrossFireX is supported with up to four boards in a single system (if you have the appropriate board based on AMD 790FX, 790GX, Intel Skulltrail, X48) and each board will require a single 6-pin PCIe power connector.

AMD will follow up in July and launch the Radeon 4870 512 MB GDDR5 and the 4870 X2 1024 MB GDDR5 (R700). The Radeon 4870 chip is built onto a board codenamed “Trojan” (could be named after a condom brand or a horse; we pick the latter) and comes with a dual-slot cooler, following the tradition of earlier XX70 boards. Our previous information about the memory buffer was a bit inaccurate, since the cost of Qimonda's GDDR5 memory apparently was not compatible with the targeted pricing of these cards. The 4870 includes 512MB GDDR5 memory and surpasses upcoming Nvidia cards in terms of bandwidth. However, if any ATI partner wants to build a 1024 MB GDDR5 board, ATI will not say no, we were told. But don't expect this to happen until early fall, since everybody wants to move as many units as possible.

In terms of performance, we heard some interesting claims. A 4870 should perform on par with or better than a dual-chip 3870 X2. Our sources explained to us that using a PCIe Gen1 controller 3870 X2 was a mistake, since the board was hungry for data and didn't sync well with this interface. Don’t expect the ATI team to repeat that mistake with the 4870 X2. However, we admit that we have no idea what kind of connection two RV770 GPUs will have.

Looking at features, ATI will promote DirectX 10.1, PCI Express 2.0, dynamic geometry acceleration and other functions that were introduced with the Radeon 3800 series. What surprises us is that the manufacturer is highlighting a "Game physics processing capability" in its launch materials. Since ATI didn't bid for Havok (which ended up in Intel’s lap) and Nvidia snapped up PhysX we wonder who provides a physics engine for ATI. Perhaps the company took a completely different direction and it simply expanded its GPGPU capabilities from professional FireStream cards to the desktop.

The Radeon 4800 series also includes 7.1 channel-via-HDMI support and color output also got a “significant” boost, our sources said. We were unable to confirm HDMI 1.3 support, but we would not be surprised if that in fact is the case. The Unified Video Decoder is now in generation 2 and is called "UVD2".

Every aspect of the GPU is monitored by PowerPlay, since ATI will be very aggressive on the power side: The boards have been designed with power in mind and the 4850/4870 won't require 8+6-pin combinations (exception: The dual-GPU 4870 X2). Power supply requirements call for a 450 watt unit for a single card and a 550 watt version for two cards. Given the fact that ATI has to state this for PoS power supplies, CrossFire should do just fine with a top notch 400 watt power supply.

Let’s talk about pricing. AMD decided to remain aggressive in an effort to win back market share. Pricing is actually set to a point where Nvidia is unlikely to be able to compete (that is at least what somebody is hoping for). Pricing guidelines are not finalized at this time, but according to several sources, the Radeon 4850 will succeed the 3850 512MB and should cost about $189-$219 at launch. Our sources indicated that 4870 GDDR5 cards will cost between $249 and $279, but somehow we feel that AMD might aim go for $199 and $249 at launch.

Given the current market, these prices could stir up the market and create quite a circus. Radeon cards could be getting lots of design wins for the back-to-school market, but our sources warned us that ATI is a bit late to the party. Qualifying of systems takes time, and tens of thousands of machines take time to be manufactured and shipped to North America. For Europe, things are more lenient, since nobody works in August and schools/universities start in September or October.

All in all, ATI will have one helluwa June and July. All eyes are now on Nvidia: Will Nvidia create a decent competitor for the sub-$300 range (55nm G92 is being prepared), or will AMD/ATI will gain market share?

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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2008, 02:35:44 PM »
can't wait for these cards to come out.. i have my money on ATi.. lol.. woot!!

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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2008, 02:54:49 PM »
Got some goodies... here's a pic of the 4850 Pro:


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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2008, 04:10:13 PM »
Steups.  I want BENCHIES biatch!!!

I needs to see dem graphs n charts. :lol:
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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2008, 05:23:54 PM »
I'm sure the 4870 will bench very well against the gtx260, and at $350, that's my kinna price.

If it comes even close to the performance of the $450 260, 4870 FTMFW!

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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2008, 12:17:33 PM »
http://www.bilgiustam.com/512mb-ati-hd-4870rv770-1gb-geforce-9800-gx2-crysis-ve-3dmark-2006-testleri/

4870 benchmark vs. 9800gx2 benchmark... site is not in english and validity of the results are unknown..

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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2008, 12:49:05 PM »
Yea...these have been confirmed to be fake. It would have been nice if they were true eh?

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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2008, 12:56:54 PM »
yea.. that's a bummer.. i mean.. we are in june.. so nobody can't steal one and bench d biatch? lol these cards better be the best thing since sliced bread oui..

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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2008, 05:56:14 PM »
i found this a while ago.. if it's real, ati ftw, but i suspect fraud after looking closely at the picture...

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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2008, 07:45:15 PM »
Steups...I shall reserve judgement until Anandtech or Tom's Hardware weighs in on it.
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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2008, 11:34:15 PM »
THG ftw, anandtech does be bias imho

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    December 03, 2018, 06:17:38 PM
  • Red Paradox: https://www.twitch.tv/flippay1985 everyday from 6:00pm
    May 29, 2018, 09:40:09 AM
  • Red Paradox: anyone play EA Sports UFC 3.. Looking for a challenge. PSN: Flippay1985 :)
    May 09, 2018, 11:00:52 PM
  • cold_187: @TriniXjin not really, I may have something they need (ssd/ram/mb etc.), hence why I also said "trade" ;)
    February 05, 2018, 10:22:14 AM

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