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Real Temp vs Core Temp vs Everest vs Speedfan
« on: July 22, 2008, 01:09:34 AM »
Rage pointed out something very significant.

It seems that Real Temp reports CPU core temps different to Everest.  I checked it myself and realised
that this is indeed true.  The difference in reported temps is as much as 10C.  Interestingly enough, compared
to Core Temp, the Everest values are only a few degrees off:




Now I have to wonder, which app is the best for reporting your CPU temps?

Your thoughts?
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Real Temp vs Core Temp vs Everest vs Speedfan
« on: July 22, 2008, 01:09:34 AM »

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Re: Real Temp vs Core Temp vs Everest vs Speedfan
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2008, 06:11:54 AM »
I'd quicker take readings produced by Core Temp as it measures the tjunction temperatures which is the temperatures of the core itself whereas programs like speedfan measure only the tcase temps which is the temperature of the cpu enclosure. Its a bit curious though how everest is getting such high readings.

Personally, i'd trust core temp readings more.

Just a thought...try the latest version of coretemp (.99). That should fix those crazy readings for your clock & multiplier among other things.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2008, 06:22:48 AM by Captain Awesome »

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Re: Real Temp vs Core Temp vs Everest vs Speedfan
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2008, 10:01:11 PM »
After asking around on various websites, someone replied by saying and I quote.....
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I gather there is a standard thermal diode (STD) for the CPU in general and a digital thermal diode (DTD) for each core. Programs like Asus Probe only read the STD. Programs like Everest and HWMonitor read both. For the Q9450, you should be worried if the STD reading exceeds 71C according to Intel.

Core Temp, Real Temp, Everest and HWMonitor use the DTDs to get more accurate temperatures at the core junctions, however, AFAIK, Intel has not issued any recommendations regarding healthy thresholds in this regard. All we seem to know is that the CPU will throttle down when the "delta" approaches zero or the core junction approaches TjMax.

Core Temp claims to read TjMax (105C in the case of the Q9450) from the CPU itself. Real Temp appears to arbitrarily set TjMax to 95C by default in order to achieve a temperature closer to the STD temperature which really makes no sense IMO. Both programs are getting the same "delta" reading from the CPU. Personally, I ignore the DTD temperatures (unless there is a significant disparity between them) since invariably the STD reading is going to "hit the fan" first.

Rebuttals and differences in opinion are welcome since the above is just my take on "much ado about nothing". Besides the ability to pinpoint a possible issue with a single core, these DTD reading programs have provided more confusion than enlightenment IMO.

You can go here to read more about what makes Core Temp tick. I think though, that I'll stick with Real Temp for my readings. There are numerous people who believe that it give correct reading for 45nm CPU as opposed to Core Temp.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2008, 10:03:44 PM by Rage »



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Re: Real Temp vs Core Temp vs Everest vs Speedfan
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2008, 05:58:03 PM »
While reading the review for the Scythe Ninja 2 from Overclockers Club, I realized that they tested it on a Q9450 and used RealTemp to monitor the temps. They said....
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The temperature monitoring software that I will be using is Real Temp 2.60 as it reads all four cores, documents the maximum temperature for a period until you reset it and most importantly reads the 45nm processors tempeartures correctly.

They've done enough product review to call themselves experts, so I think it's safe to take their word for it. RealTemp for 45nm CPUs all the way.



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Re: Real Temp vs Core Temp vs Everest vs Speedfan
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2008, 07:01:21 PM »
I concur.

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Re: Real Temp vs Core Temp vs Everest vs Speedfan
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Re: Real Temp vs Core Temp vs Everest vs Speedfan
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2008, 08:32:40 AM »
I will agree as well on the 45nm CPU. I have found that Real Temp has given the temps closest to the temps given in the BIOS. The other close contender is PC Wizard 2008

My E8400 at stock reading 39C/41C idle
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Re: Real Temp vs Core Temp vs Everest vs Speedfan
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2008, 11:39:19 AM »
so what about the riva tuner C2D plugin? Any comments?


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Re: Real Temp vs Core Temp vs Everest vs Speedfan
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2010, 07:21:26 PM »
The problem I see is the assumption that the temperature monitoring of the MB or chip is accurate. 

One would need to put a external temp probe physically on the cpu and compare.

How much does the bios temp differ from an external probe?  How much variability is there in the bios of various mbs?  Take the same chip and same power supply, will the bios of each motherboard give the correct reading?

Someone has probably done this, I just don't know where.


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Re: Real Temp vs Core Temp vs Everest vs Speedfan
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