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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
« Reply #840 on: April 12, 2008, 12:27:20 PM »
I don't need my villains being evil for evil's sake. I just don't need my clearly well fleshed out villains being deus ex machina'd into being good and I hate shyamalanian styled plot twists. I'll reserve any further opinion to see if he intends to make Itachi a sympathetic character or a well-intentioned sociopath. Either way he has a lot of hole to plug now. Especially itachi's maniacal show of emotion in his last battle there and reason as to why he chose to go about it that way more than "he wanted to push him forward", because that would be stupid. Even for Shonen.
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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
« Reply #841 on: April 12, 2008, 11:02:04 PM »
I read this week's chapter and one thought stuck out in my mind:" WHOAMG Bleach really heatin up yes!"
No that isn't a typo.

That's my reaction to this pathetically obvious plot revelation. Why de eff we can't jus have men bein evil for bein evil sake anymore? I is de only youth who grow up watchin 80s cartoons? Bring back the evil for evil sake, every other mofo these days have some kinda sad story to redeem him.


I don't need my villains being evil for evil's sake. I just don't need my clearly well fleshed out villains being deus ex machina'd into being good and I hate shyamalanian styled plot twists. I'll reserve any further opinion to see if he intends to make Itachi a sympathetic character or a well-intentioned sociopath. Either way he has a lot of hole to plug now. Especially itachi's maniacal show of emotion in his last battle there and reason as to why he chose to go about it that way more than "he wanted to push him forward", because that would be stupid. Even for Shonen.

Thank you both for having some sort of intelligence and standard. I'll wait for two weeks to voice my opinion as I still have faith in Kishimoto. I mean he did give us over a year of best storyline eh..... However if this sham of a plot twist is indeed so, ill lose all respect for naruto... Ok not all, but alot.

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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
« Reply #842 on: April 12, 2008, 11:27:20 PM »
WARNING N00bish statement below





what if itachi had everyone under a Aizen-type genjutsu....what if he never fought sasuke but tricked him and was so badass that sasuke and even madara didnt know :P
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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
« Reply #843 on: April 13, 2008, 02:27:26 AM »
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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
« Reply #844 on: April 13, 2008, 07:45:58 AM »
umm...i doh like itachi...iz jus i hate sasuke more and well that wud add a very interesting turn to the story
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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
« Reply #845 on: April 28, 2008, 04:30:11 PM »
I am quite surprised that no one has commented on the latest manga. Suffice to say I want to hear more of Madara's story. Where Itachi was "Deus Ex Machina'd" like Sync said remains to be seen...
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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
« Reply #846 on: April 28, 2008, 05:01:46 PM »
I think the main reason noone commented is because its SO UP IN THE AIR that we all need more information before we start throwing crap at the screen like a monkey high on crystal meth in a zoo.

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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
« Reply #847 on: April 28, 2008, 06:19:37 PM »
honestly ,i'm quite alright with the plot twist , i never hated itachi to begin with , though Kishi could have come better , its not THAT bad.
   
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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
« Reply #848 on: April 28, 2008, 09:10:52 PM »
It IS that bad...... The only thing i'm happy about is Konoha's back story, The First ROCKS!!!!

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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
« Reply #849 on: April 28, 2008, 09:35:30 PM »
so....no one saw the movie yet ?

much better than the third one

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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
« Reply #850 on: April 29, 2008, 12:21:22 AM »
I was so desperate to see the movie i watch the raw first with fear of not knowing when db woulda translate it.

NO naruto movie can be great if they leave out the main character .... KYUUBI

I doh see why he couldn't come out and play just a little bit.

But otherwise it wasn't that bad. Right now the manga have my attention firm. And the anime falling back into naruto goodness so all is not lost in the narutoverse
   

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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
« Reply #851 on: May 08, 2008, 10:39:33 AM »
I have to say that the spoiler for this week is piecing together nicely. I don't consider it a Deus Ex Machina at all! in fact it's very plausible the angle that's been taken, all of itachi's actions... it's starting to make sense. That aside let me SPOIL IT for you XD

Just a teaser


And a translation:
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Translation:  Iwanin

This is the spoiler from Ona-shi, as posted by Helltroll, from Conan's post. It might have originated from 2ch, I dunno, but since it matches the pictures, I'm translating it.

Can't be sure it's true, of course.

文が下手なのは仕方ないんだからね///
No complaining about the lousy text, ok!

(Note: the following is the spoiler provider paraphrasing/copying Madara's lines - Iwa).

「柱間は木の葉ができる前から火影を名乗っていた
柱間率いる千手一族はどの忍びからも一目おかれ恐れられていた

千手が動けばうちはが動く
奴等を相手に出来るのうちはくらいだった
千手を雇えば対立国はうちはをやとう……柱間と対立するうちオレのなもどんどん知られた」

"Hashirama had been calling himself "Hokage" sinde before Konoha was created. The Senjuu clan he led was feared and respected by all shinobi.

When the Senjuu moved, so did the Uchiha.
The Uchiha were the only ones who could fight them evenly.
If one country hired Senjuu, it's enemy would hire the Uchihas...and I, who would take on Hashirama himself, quickly attained renown."

サスケ「名をあげるために弟の眼を奪ったのか?」
まだら「名をあげるためではない
弟は自ら眼を差し出したのだ」

Sasuke: You took your brother's eyes in your quest for renown?

Madara: Not for renown. My brother offered me his eyes.

マダラは拳(正確には左手で右手の腕を)をにぎる

Madara clenches his fists (more precisely, he grasps his right arm with his left hand).

(Madara's narration continues - Iwa)

「だが千手はうちはに休戦を申し出た

うちははこれに同意した

だがオレは休戦に一人反対した

今までの憎しみは?弟はなんのために犠牲になったのだ?」
「いずれうちはは千手に駆逐されてしまうと思えてならなかったが皆は休戦を望んでいたのでオレはリーダーと して仕方なく意思を汲み取った」

"But the Senjuu offered the Uchiha a truce."

"The Uchiha accepted."

"I alone was opposed to it."

"Was I to simply cast aside the rancor? Was my brother's sacrifice to be for naught? Though tormented by the suspicion the Senjuu would sooner or later turn on the Uchiha, the truce was what every last man in the clan desired - so reluctantly, I accepted."

まだらと柱間が握手をする

Madara and Hashirama shake hands.

「それから程なく我らは火の国との協定にこぎつける
火の国と木の葉隠れの里だ
この一国一里のシステムをあらゆる国が真似た
それにより争いもなくなる
ひとたびの平和だ」

「だが木の葉はある出来事により混乱におちいる」

"Not long after, we reached an arrangement with Fire Country - and thus was born the Village of Konoha Gakure . The arrangement of one village per country was adopted by all, thus putting an end to strife. A transitory peace was reached."

"Then, a certain event would rattle the village ."

サスケ「?」

Sasuke: ?

(Madara continues - Iwa)

まだら「初代火影の座だ
火の国も里の皆も柱間を選んだ
うちはの主権が遠ざかるからオレは柱間と対峙する道を選んだがうちはの者でさえオレについて来るものはいな かった
オレは叩かれそれどころか弟の眼を奪った欲深いあにだと言われた………どこに好き好んで弟を傷つける兄がい る?オレはうちはを守りたかっただけだ……!オレは里を出た」

「復讐者となり里に戦いを挑んだ」「オレは敗れた……オレはあそこで死んだ………とされている。柱間でさえ そう思ったはずだ」「柱間の弟であり二代目は反逆者を出さない為に信頼の証としてうちはに警務部隊の役職を 与えた
しかし実際は監視かに置くためだった
その意図に気付いたうちはの者もいてオレの意思を次ぐ奴も出てきた

"The position of Hokage. Both Fire Country and the Villagers chose Hashirama. Fearing our clan's power would be compromised, I presented myself as his challenger - yet there was none, even among the Uchiha, who would follow me. They didn't stop at slander, but even went so far as to claim I was a man whose lust for power had driven him to steal his younger brother's eyes...and I ask you, is there a man out there who would take pleasure in hurting his younger brother? What I did, I did to protect the clan, and no more... so I left."

"I became an avenger, and waged battle against the village*...lost...and died...or so it's believed. I'm sure Hashirama figured as much himself. His younger brother, The Second, lest traitors should arise within the Uchiha ranks, gave the clan the position of police as a token of his trust. In reality, the idea was to keep them under surveillance. More than one Uchiha caught on to the fact, and began to sympathize with my position."

*This line corresponds to the first spoiler image.

(Madara's narration continues - Iwa)

時すでに遅し…うちはは千手の犬に成り下がっていた」

"Too little, too late...the Uchiha had already been relagated to being the Senjuu's lapdogs."

「そしてある事件でうちはは完全に駆逐される」
16年前の九尾来襲だ

"And one incident would seal the animosity towards them: the Kyuubi's attack 16 years ago*."

(*This line roughly coincides with the line in the image described as "fake." If you want my opinion, if the spoiler is true than most likely the image is *NOT* fake, just *RECYCLED.* It's been recycled over and over in the manga already, and there's nothing odd about it being recycled here for Madara's line - Iwa.)

ちょっと疲れたから後は簡単でいい?
そう?ありがと

I'm kinda tired, so you guys mind if I just summarize the rest? No? Thanks*!

(*comment by the spoiler poster - Iwa).

それをうちはがやったと勘ぐったのがダンゾウと相談役二人
九尾は天災でうちはは関係していないのに反逆を狙ったとか色々言われた
それ以降はうちはは暗部により監視されまくり
里から隔離された

The two advisors and Danzou mistakenly believed it was the Uchiha's doing. Despite the fact the Kyuubi's attack had been a natural disaster, it was said the Uchiha had revolted and such. From that point on, the Uchiha were kept under strict Anbu surveillance. They were segregated from the village.

三代目は隔離に意義を唱えたがみんな認めなかった

The Third extolled the virtues of segregation, but they (the Uchiha) weren't happy.

そしてうちは一族里を乗っとる為にはクーデターを企んだ

それを阻止したのが

The clan plotted to take over the village by executing a Coup d'etat. And the man responsible for stopping it was...

「お前の兄うちはイタチだ
そこから奴の地獄は始まったのだ」

"Your brother, Uchiha Itachi. And that's when his nightmare began."

これで今週は終わり

まだらが語っただけだった

FROM オナ師

"And that's how it ends. It was all Madara talking. From Ona-shi"


My 2c:
Looking back at all actions till now, itachi murdering the clan, the 3rd's shaky dealings with events e.g. letting Oro live, Itachi's seemingly evil intent towards his brother and in particular the event in the past with Itachi pwning the 3 members of the police when they started investigating the death of his best friend.... this is my take, Itachi was ordered by the Hokage to wipe out his clan as his investigation revealed that they were planning to revolt. Itachi being an Uchiha but dedicated to the village was put into a MISERABLE position where should he resist the village would come down on him with their full force wiping not only him but his clan out as well. He became infuriated with his clan and their complacency (as was expressed in that scrap). He probably wished the clan to be more powerful for THEIR OWN sake as they were about to be wiped out. Itachi was left in the difficult (to say the least) situation of deciding how best to protect that which was closest to him (Sasuke). So he carried out the deed of destroying the clan (a job that would inherently alienate him from the village) but that would put him in a position to save Sasuke. Up until his death Itachi was pushing and pushing Sasuke not only to become powerful, but also pushing him away from the boodly, hate filled path of the clan from the past (killing ur best friend, family, etc). As Itachi embodied those things and it drove sasuke to seek strength in a different way. Lastly thinking that Madara would persuade Sasuke to follow that same bloodly hate filled path he tried even in death to silence him. However it seems Itachi may not have known everything there is to madara and the picture madara paints is not just one of revenge, but completely justified revenge. Of course it could all be poppycock but time alone will tell.
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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
« Reply #852 on: May 08, 2008, 11:14:10 AM »
Looks entirely plausible... We'll have to wait and see until friday though.

Looks like one of my theories might have been right : The rest of the Uchiha turned on Madara , politically at least...

Though it is satisfying , it leaves something to be desired... I was betting the First hokage and Madara has a special friendship.. we'll have to wait and see.
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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
« Reply #853 on: May 08, 2008, 10:47:56 PM »
I'm not pleased. Long and short of it.

It's also clear that Madara is telling sasuke a half-truth.
What can you do to end the hunger?
It's no surprise that many will die with the coming shortage of food
When there is no grain to feed the butchered cows
When there is nothing to feed yourselves...
Then you will see that money can't be eaten.

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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
« Reply #854 on: May 09, 2008, 10:05:51 AM »
I'm not pleased. Long and short of it.

It's also clear that Madara is telling sasuke a half-truth.
Tough :p

That aside, we'd all be inclined to think it's half truth, he is after all trying to convince sasuke to join him. Anyways scans out:
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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
« Reply #855 on: May 09, 2008, 04:10:17 PM »
Rrrrrightt, I wonder whether Kishi had the story planned out in advance or if this is really a week by week thing?

If nothing else at least Madara admit that Shodai cut he ass. Senju ftw!

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« Reply #856 on: May 09, 2008, 04:46:05 PM »
I'm waging that the publishers had something to do with this terrible writing.
What can you do to end the hunger?
It's no surprise that many will die with the coming shortage of food
When there is no grain to feed the butchered cows
When there is nothing to feed yourselves...
Then you will see that money can't be eaten.

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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
« Reply #857 on: May 09, 2008, 05:29:43 PM »
Some people need firing then. Because maybe they ent realize that they ent d baddest shounen anymore because Bleach kickin all kinda ass these days.

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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
« Reply #858 on: May 12, 2008, 03:08:53 PM »
i hope that these naruto writers know what they doing because, it looking like naruto going to take the first ever storyline nose-dive ever. yeah, yeah, yeah, they needed to redeem Itachi a lil bit, but not like that... they making him look mire an imps than ever!!!! What going on in japan... bleach is in the worst run ever ( and bleach have plenty of dry runs, eh, but i almost embarrassed to say that i reading that... never see a manga move slower...), up to now no FMA...a hope naruto could pull themself out of this hole dat they digging. come nah - madara the good guy, Itachi the toy soldier, baby brother sasuke to follow in the footsteps- restore uchiha pride meanwhile naruto crying down the place... come on!!!

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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
« Reply #859 on: May 12, 2008, 03:29:16 PM »
Hey guys it's clear Madara feeding Sasuke level quaker oats and BS. Come on, how else would Madara convince sasuke to join him? force won't work, so he's creaming him up (bad analogy I know, but hey he was Oro b1tch before so I think it's fitting). This is just Madara trying the 'soft' approach before Sasuke blank him and he have to whip out his mandingo and show sasuke who he needs to listen to or else... as a famous self proclaimed god would say: "It's not the LASH that they fear..."

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Re: THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD
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